Lobo KX250 vs 250R with Bill Ballance and William Yokley

[@samich57]

I'm 49 yrs old from Kalamazoo Michigan. I still have an '87 trx250r survivor I bought in 1999. Original bore, still has cross hatch marks. Equipped with 90's era Dynoport MX pipe and silencer. Pro-lite, V-Force, Roost Boost, replacement OEM plastics. Every other Saturday I wiff the delicious odor of burnt Klotz Super Techniplate as it tries to tear my arms out of their sockets. I WILL NEVER SELL IT. Love the movies! You did great work. Huevos 3 was my favorite. I was big into the soundtrack at the time

[@lucascady4992]

Red or Blue? I am a sucker for the 88' Red, 89' Mostly white are ok, most of the 86"-87" got rode into the dirt.. I have restored a Quadzilla and a CR500, My next project will be a 250r!! Also From Michigan, Belleville area is where I grew up, Been in Manistee area for the past 5yrs.. love it Up here, found my forever home! 😂 Go Blue!!

[@WesMiller70]

That is awesome. Thank you for being a fan.

[@samich57]

@@lucascady4992 my '87 is red. CR500=Alpha Male Go Blue! Undefeated National Champs 😎

[@patrickturri]

I grew up watching these videos . Brings back some very good memories

[@WesMiller70]

I'm working on some more videos.

[@rmx01indiana]

What a time capsule!!! Some rare footage of "back in the good old days." So pure.

[@WesMiller70]

There is a lot more to come.

[@sethwalk2670]

Keep this stuff coming Wes, I love the raw 2 stroke sound without any music to ruin it!!

[@WesMiller70]

I'm working on it.

[@F5Tornado44]

Wes, this is awesome dude. Thanks for posting this vintage ATV footage. It really brings back memories for some of us old guys.

[@867diesel]

dude i talked to you in the chat for the atv daytona sx 🤙🤙

[@WesMiller70]

No problem, I enjoy seeing it as well.

[@dadspeed227]

This is incredible. I was too young to really remember the two stroke era and I’ve always hoped to see some quality raw footage from those days. These videos have been awesome.

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, it's cool to look back. I have a ton more coming.

[@l88ch3r]

As a person who grew up riding in the woods, Bill Ballance was a hero to me. Can still remember his awesome segments. He had already switched to Yamaha before I really started to pay attention to the GNCC scene. Dude was straight up fast.

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, Bill is a badass.

[@johnnystorm374]

@@WesMiller70he still is one of the nicest most awesome people I know

[@kraftzion]

I had a kxf 250 tecate. It had a broken power valve stem when I got it. I replaced that and did some seat of the pants exhaust port work at the same time. I also owned an 85 cr500. Added an extra base gasket to it. Between the 2 I can't tell you which was more impressive. They both punched hard. I'm 6'4", also added 4" to the swingarm on the tecate and redid the shock. Lot of hill climbing at croom.

[@WesMiller70]

Those sound like cool builds.

[@DirtObseXXion]

This is incredible!!!! Please keep opening the vault!!!

[@WesMiller70]

Don't worry, I will.

[@evil14life]

I remember seeing that Kawi in Dirtwheels back then. Was so stoked to see a potentially new 2 stroke race machine coming to the market. I was very disappointed that machine never saw the light of day, and that the death of 2 strokes in racing was only a few short years away.

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, that sucked. I was actually talking with a guy that was with Team Green at the time today and he told me about some of the stuff that they had planned that never happened.

[@lancelee1598]

I see Bill didn't disclose the vibrations the KX had over the Honda. I read they were filling the handlebars and frame tubes full of silicone in a hardware store parking lot before the first or second race to try to get a handle on it!

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, it was an issue.

[@lindnerracing8144]

Loving the content Wes, keep it coming. I wore out all my huevos vhs tapes back in the day.

[@WesMiller70]

I'm working on more.

[@lexomotorsports]

Right on 👍 I stil have the videos

[@noodle3384]

i started riding and racing in 2000 so this bring back some great memories

[@WesMiller70]

That was a good time.

[@fueledarrow8184]

Thanks Wes, Your the reason I started racing motocross and TT all over the Midwest. Best day was running with Tim Farr and Harold Goodman and the pros at DQ Illinois dream come true

[@WesMiller70]

Nice, Tim and Harold are good dudes.

[@jordonswisher]

Thank you Wes, this stuff is so rad!!! It's bringing back the feeling of the glory day's lol keep up the great work

[@WesMiller70]

There is lots more coming.

[@robinwaldrop9127]

It was awesome seeing these guys lap me in the woods lol

[@WesMiller70]

They were fast!

[@hooligan6682]

I grew up watching this footage. Love it ❤

[@WesMiller70]

I've got more coming.

[@willcrosbie8806]

I still have all the dvds and always wondered about that bike

[@GassedOutProductions]

So sick!!! Love to see it. Grew up watching Huevos and Mulisha! Awesome to see behind the scenes. Keep it coming!

[@WesMiller70]

Lots more to come!

[@augieh6146]

I wanted this info video so bad. Heard of these bikes a few weeks ago. So cool

[@WesMiller70]

There is so much more coming.

[@augieh6146]

@@WesMiller70 please brother

[@augieh6146]

01 baby here

[@WesMiller70]

I have '97-10.@@augieh6146

[@theviking4525]

Awesome Video! We need more of this uncut material!

[@WesMiller70]

Don't worry, there is a ton more coming.

[@Bigdirtbikeguy]

Bill is my neighbor. He's the man. He could shred any motocross track on his woods atv. No telling what he could do on a motocross atv. I wish he would race the legends race at Briarcliff in July.

[@WesMiller70]

He did pretty well at some stadium and MX events from what I remember.

[@billythegoat11]

How old is Bill these days?? Jc no reason other then curiosity

[@WesMiller70]

I'm not sure, but my guess would be late 40's.@@billythegoat11

[@Deano6969]

Always wondered what happened to Bill after he retired. As successful as he was in gncc and being with yamaha for most of it he kind of faded away it seemed. Hope he is doing good dude is a legend!

[@WesMiller70]

I think he just did an event for Yamaha.@@Deano6969

[@ononewheel7]

Awesome video man. So cool to see them ripping these machines. The old camera sound as well it pretty wild.

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, it was funny to hear the 16mm camera.

[@maniacalmisfits5088]

Man this brings back so many memories! H2 was on repeat in my house for quite some time and this scene was always sick to watch. That film also got me hooked on Slipknot haha. Still have the VHS tape. Would be cool to see a behind the scenes of Sean Sermini's "Stealth Air" haha. He's a local in my home town in MA. Really good dude. Thanks for keeping the videos coming Wes.

[@WesMiller70]

I think I have it. I'll be posting a bunch more.

[@louisgagliano8219]

Awesome footage! I was a little too young back in the 250r days. I grew up riding 400s and early 450s. I have an R now tho. LED370. Such a bad ass machine!

[@WesMiller70]

250R's are the GOAT of quads.

[@thadjosey1613]

I love this! Thanks for sharing Wes!

[@thadjosey1613]

Brings back a lot of really good times and memories!

[@WesMiller70]

Those were good times.

[@devinhumphrey9824]

Loving the old footage from the two stroke days. Keep em coming! Would love to see some of the raw footage from the Huevos 2 Oklahoma shoots.

[@WesMiller70]

I'm pretty sure that I have some.

[@GroundScrape]

Yeah that was really awesome. Thank you

[@WesMiller70]

Glad people like it.

[@J.Cartee2]

You’re the man with the plan. Endless entertainment, thanky sir!

[@WesMiller70]

Lots more to come.

[@dawsonoff-road]

I absolutely loved this video, my dad rode with bill a few times and said that he was a unreal rider and that he didn’t even really ride with him cause he couldn’t keep up with him😂 wish I could’ve lived in this era!

[@WesMiller70]

Bill was super fast at everything.

[@longlivequads6590]

Good stuff Wes!

[@WesMiller70]

Thanks, more to come.

[@longlivequads6590]

And we’ll keep telling people to come watch😎👍

[@WesMiller70]

Thank you@@longlivequads6590

[@michaeldeel7998]

the best films ever made.... but i never got to see # 12.... how can i find Huevos 12 ???....i have them all but 10,11,and 12... and have seen them all but number 12,,, and it kills me..... i must watch number 12.... Thanks Wes Miller for your Beautiful work and Videos....LOL,,,

[@WesMiller70]

You can get 12 and a bunch of merch at www.bombsquadracing.com

[@lucascady4992]

What's a Labo? I remember an F150 Labo in the Early 2000's that was a Truck?! 🎉

[@WesMiller70]

A chassis that Roll Design made.

[@arptv806]

love seeing this tuff Wes keep it coming please!!!

[@WesMiller70]

There's more to come.

[@arptv806]

👌@@WesMiller70

[@michaeldeel7998]

We want too see it ALL.... whatever atv video you got, post it..... thanks..

[@WesMiller70]

I'm working on it.

[@matthewfordham1781]

Awesome videos Wes

[@WesMiller70]

Thanks

[@doc_teamwaxoffroad]

"the good ol days" Bill is a great guy.. he done an interview for my nephews channel about 3 yrs ago.. the dancing. Lol.👍👍👍 #teamwaxoffroad

[@WesMiller70]

Definitely, I have a lot of respect for him.

[@jc478_2]

I think a lot of people forget that Bill Ballance was a big enough name at one point in his career that Yamaha came out with a special edition quad in his name. Where has time went?! Crazy to think about man

[@WesMiller70]

Winningest rider in GNCC on quads I believe.

[@Apachefog]

I have his signature razr tires on my 250r. Great tires, I wish they still made them.

[@michaeldeel7998]

also i have Huevos 2,3 and 5, on VHS.... and i have 2 VCRs that are like 25 years old that i keep around and will not get ride of just so i can Watch Huevos 5 whenever i want too,,LOLOLOL,,,,,,, i got number 5 when i was 14... have watched it at least 25 times or more and it Never gets old....👍🤘

[@WesMiller70]

Awesome!

[@williamsager1238]

Awesome video bro .. keep them coming

[@WesMiller70]

Thanks, more to come.

[@LMActionsports]

That would have been so much fun filming those guys back in the day. I really miss my Lobo chassis 250r. I guess I really didn't understand what a lobo chassis was and now I kick myself in the ass for getting rid of it realizing how valuable of a quad I had.

[@WesMiller70]

I wish that I had mine too.

[@jarretstephen3089]

Any more of that kx 250 quad footage or info would be awesome! Thanks!

[@WesMiller70]

I'll be posting whatever I have. But I think that was my only shoot with one of those bikes.

[@DonHewlett3]

Man, I knew Bill could ride MX but he made that triple look easy and it looks BIG

[@iShredLife]

He made it even bigger as time went on.

[@WesMiller70]

He could ride, he made most things look easy, and it was a big triple.

[@Clutch_Kick187]

Yeah, those late 90's early 2000s days before the factory jumped in, were so much fun to walk the pits to check out the bad ass custom built machines.. They were all different, and awesome.. There's a reason why they were all on full custom bikes, cuz the factory frames were made of pot metal.. LMAO.. Really they broke constantly, GNCC is rough on them, but I remember having my front down tubes below where the cross bar for the upper shock mount goes, those two down tubes broke plum in 2 multiple times, the up bar coming up toward your butt from the foot pegs broke many times on mine too.. Then my "custom" frames wouldn't even make it a season without a full tear down to weld.. The youth has no idea how much tinkering it took to make one of these bikes work for a whole gncc race.. Thats why these guys had a crew of dude for a quad.. Bill was just something else, he was a rocket, and reminded me a lot of Bob Sloan, they had a similar style and size. Yokley was just a damn animal, strong AF, and loved competition.. Also had an ego, and mental/physical toughness that was difficult to beat.. Then little Chris Borich showed up and dominated over and over once factory money came in.. Hell, Suzuki even sent us 2 brand new Z400's in 2004 and we weren't even racing the entire schedule.. Just had to sign a contract to start at least 8 of the 14 races, we had to start more than 50% of the races to keep from paying for the bikes at the end of the year..

[@gamebredduramax71]

Bill Ballance was a beast, he won a GNCC championship with a broken leg, he shouldn’t have been riding but he had a Championship to win

[@lucascady4992]

I was the Wild Child, I would have hit them jump's on my 90" Blaster!! Highly modified, for the day, Wiesco piston, Boysen Reed's, DG Pipe and Silencer! 18"x10"x9" Hole shoot Tire's!! Sprocket and chain combo!!

[@WesMiller70]

Nice

[@jamesredmond9648]

Awesome video. I saw bill race that bike at the urichville oh. Gncc it's was definitely a cool quad

[@WesMiller70]

It was very cool for it's time.

[@quadsatv]

So awesome to see this stuff❤

[@WesMiller70]

Lots more to come.

[@gamebredduramax71]

Wasn’t Jeremiah Jones in some of your movies back in the day ?

[@pault7333]

Hell fooking yeah this just brought back some many memories when I had my 1986 250r atc that I called the banshee killer because I always tore them up lol

[@WesMiller70]

250R's were bad machines!

[@pault7333]

@@WesMiller70 definitely and I was only 10 years old when I got it and now I’m 43 and I have had a lot of toys still but that was one of my favorite toys man I miss that monster. Everyone today wants retirement money for one lol 😝.

[@WesMiller70]

They are a hot commodity now.@@pault7333

[@DixieNormous1]

I remember those days well, my friend, Ron, Martin, and William Howell used to go to Bills to ride.. Ronnie got his Custom axis shocks From Ballance who got them from Mike (Hallick)for him and went down to Kentucky to pick them up, they rode there several times

[@WesMiller70]

He had a great spot there.

[@DixieNormous1]

@@WesMiller70 I was asked to go but felt out of place with those guys speed, wish I’d went along now

[@WesMiller70]

Probably would have been a fun ride. @@DixieNormous1

[@BlakeShipman]

Love it.

[@fcfilms4336]

Please keep posting this stuff

[@WesMiller70]

I got you.

[@kenwilson872]

I’m 53 and had a 86 atc 250r and a try 250r the same year and wish I still had them so good for the guy that still has his and hanging on to it ride red mfrs!!!

[@WesMiller70]

It's crazy what they go for now a days.

[@Spudderr]

It’s hard to explain to people that think a stock 450 is hard to hang on to, just how much different a well built 250 2 stroke in an aftermarket chassis is. I’ve been on Zillas, banshees, 250rs and countless 450s but a laegar framed 250r is by far the wildest thing I’ve thrown my leg over. I’d like to see all these guys in their prime racing with today’s technology, I bet a lot of guys would be put to shame

[@WesMiller70]

It would be fun to see.

[@dougdecker1261]

Gott damn!!! Thems some fancy flat foot work!!! Whooooooweeee!! Lol. Awesome stuff, another world ago it seems.

[@WesMiller70]

Yokley was always a blast.

[@MikeMartin-gz6ix]

I would love to see some ltz400 and some lt250r video

[@WesMiller70]

It's coming.

[@jbird1173]

Was that bike ever found after it was stolen at ochechobee in Florida back in 2001?. I remember when it was stolen and have spent my whole life looking for it, or it's parts for sale.

[@WesMiller70]

I don't know.

[@KrummyProductions]

Wicked cool footage

[@barrottdowdy2198]

Thanks for doing this, sub’ed

[@WesMiller70]

Thank you

[@scale_nerd356]

He said you gonna double it? Bill: laughing nooo. That’s bad ass man

[@WesMiller70]

Send it.

[@TheDfrancis37]

This is awesome

[@WesMiller70]

Glad people like it.

[@TheDfrancis37]

@@WesMiller70 been sharing it with all my old moto buddies

[@WesMiller70]

Thank you.@@TheDfrancis37

[@187motorsports]

Do you have any footage from when you all shot the video at balances farm with him on the Yamaha 450? That be great to see!

[@WesMiller70]

I believe so.

[@187motorsports]

@@WesMiller70 man that would be sweet if you did! I love the videos bro!

[@WesMiller70]

I'm sure I have it somewhere.@@187motorsports

[@fcfilms4336]

I want to see old glamis stuff

[@WesMiller70]

It's coming.

[@joshgessinger4509]

Fun watching the old school 250r’s battle it out. The Kawasaki was cool but isn’t it just a 250r chassis or lone star whatever but basically design after 250r with a KX 250 engine. Funny how it was a sea of red back then. 250r is legendary idk if any ATV will ever come close to being a legend like the R. Great video fun watching

[@WesMiller70]

It was a Roll Design Lobo chassis with a KX250 engine in it.

[@joshgessinger4509]

@@WesMiller70 Was lobo chassis designed after the 250r chassis looks like same front end design. Was just wondering did lobo make same frame for the 250r or was it unique just for the KX250.

[@WesMiller70]

The Lobo was a chassis made by Doug Roll at Roll Design. He made a DRD&D chassis prior to that. They were all based off of a 250R and generally used their motor.@@joshgessinger4509

[@joshgessinger4509]

@@WesMiller70 Man that 250r was a great machine. I never owned one always had quad racers back then. Also great machines but not like the honda. Appreciate ur knowledge Thank u.

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, the LT was a good quad too.@@joshgessinger4509

[@scale_nerd356]

More balance interviews

[@WesMiller70]

I'm pretty sure that I have some.

[@Yamaha38XCRacer]

Hell yeah!!!

[@WesMiller70]

Good times back then.

[@867diesel]

how did they over come the non counter balance of the kx motor ?

[@WesMiller70]

It vibrated a lot from what I remember.

[@teamwoodswarriorsracing2004]

They didnt, William broke handle bars frequently

[@noelcook854]

Looked a 250r bottom end

[@teamwoodswarriorsracing2004]

@@noelcook854 it's all kawi

[@867diesel]

@@teamwoodswarriorsracing2004 well that explains all the broke bars in old races then lol

[@mountainstatematt271]

Ahhh the good ol days! If I knew then what I know now I would have bought every 250r and banshee I could get my hands on. Or at least I would have kept every dirt bike, quad , and truck I owned.😂

[@WesMiller70]

Yeah, I wish I had a few of mine.

[@minibikemadman]

helll ya that kawie Lobo is so sickk

[@WesMiller70]

It was!

[@minibikemadman]

@WesMiller70 we have a guy that owns it now in the trx 250r group..uses all kawie parts so bad ass.

[@WesMiller70]

That is awesome. @@minibikemadman

[@billbrewer5036]

I think you just need to own one to understand there's nothing else like a 250R .... Simply the best!!!!

[@iShredLife]

I got the luxury to hit that triple and ride there. It was an awesome time in my life.

[@WesMiller70]

He had a great spot there.

[@probuiltshop]

Great stuff!

[@WesMiller70]

👍👍👍

[@jakecohoe]

🤘🏻

[@WesMiller70]

🤟

[@kylecromp319]

Kawasaki 250 wheeler is tough! 💪🏻

[@WesMiller70]

It definitely was cool.

[@gamebredduramax71]

Laeger, Roll Design, Lobo you just don’t here about these parts anymore

[@redrockracing4571]

Keep the rubber side down Wes!

[@WesMiller70]

I try! lol

[@barthur2645]

“250r”the 250r’s the pros were riding then were as much a Honda 250r as a NASCAR Toyota Camry is the one the nurse that fixes us up drives. 😂

[@WesMiller70]

They were highly modified.

[@augieh6146]

I love this comment

[@non-binaryjesus]

I would love to hit some of these jumps on my 450r!!! These little 250s sound mean tho!

[@WesMiller70]

That was a good sized triple.

[@PANCHEKE]

I Can smell the 2 stroke fuel burn …

[@WesMiller70]

That's a good smell.

[@kenwilson872]

Trx Not a try wtf right

[@WesMiller70]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[@DrewCampbellRacing]

New subscriber but longtime fan! This video is awesome! Your Heuvos series helped inspire my video career. You’ve had a lot of influence in my work and I want you to know it’s appreciated! I’d love to see some 4x4 action from back in the day! Here’s a Lobo build on my channel! ROLL Design's LOBO 250R Build - Part1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZKtc5Sfa7SNpNE

[@WesMiller70]

Thanks, it's cool that we influenced people. I have a bunch of 4x4 stuff that will be posted.

[@Oleman72]

Suzuki 250 was a bad quad

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

God please punish forwerx for infecting the industry with that horrible snout hood. 🙏

[@WesMiller70]

😂

[@996turbo]

Great stuff !

[@WesMiller70]

I'm glad to show people what it was like.