Local Elections: Conservatives face 400 seat loss exclusive analysis suggests

Next Thursday is the last big test of electoral opinion ahead of the General Election with voters choosing over 100 councils across England, 10 metro mayors and the London Mayor, 37 Police and Crime Commissioners as well as a by-election in Blackpool South.
With the polls looking bad for the Conservatives the results will help determine the fate of Rishi Sunak and the date of the general election.
Channel 4 News has the exclusive analysis of election expert Lord Robert Hayward.
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[@Steven-vo4ee]

After fourteen years of chaos and ruination the Tories should be left with zero seats.

[@dennis8196]

14 years - we have had nearly 50 years of it. Tony was a Tory in sheep's clothing, the times when the Tories sat in with Lib Dems was still Tory led really. The country has gone so far down the pan that there is nothing left to fix it with, the Tories spent it giving out jobs to friends and burning it.

[@dominokid7996]

Thats all very well, but question is who will deliver and turn the course of this country for the good? I hear Keir Starmer? think again, this time breathe

[@Steven-vo4ee]

@@dennis8196 The Labour left purists are what gifted us May and Johnson. As for 50 years of it, almost absolutely everything with a scintilla of government influence was far superior between 1997 and 2010, than what’s followed.

[@user-uf4rx5ih3v]

@@dominokid7996 So what's you suggestion? Don't vote at all and let the Tories continue destroying the country, or what?

[@esseker6320]

I totally agree 👍🏽.

[@LuzDoSol-yr5bv]

The public is fed up and had enough.

[@johnrussell3961]

Every party has to lose to be reminded of who elected them, and who they are meant to serve. The Tories have clearly forgotten,, I don’t think they have ever accepted it.

[@MarkPiccolo]

Yet they will vote Labour which is far worst

[@MarkPiccolo]

Wait till labour gets in

[@Celticsamuraiblue]

Scotland is fed up & had enough… 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺☮️

[@samhodgins9804]

​@@Celticsamuraiblueand Scotland is simply going to vote Labour who have supported all of the misery inducing SNP laws, proposals and legislation

[@bronxcartel6193]

Lose 500 seats? They should have ZERO SEATS!

[@ukbloke28]

they should be in cells with no seats

[@threeone117]

Let’s hope that is the case

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

I think they should have 1 seat! Then Sunak can seat on it and watch. Not being able to do or say anything.

[@anaguterres5204]

Water bill is up ,electric bills is up council tax bill is up nothing is good at all

[@KellySmunt303]

Yeah, because the uk has been invaded by immigrants and there are not enough services or tax money to go around.

[@sondoobie1987]

It's EVERY single thing, nothing is cheaper than it was say 4 years ago. I wonder what could have caused that? Ahh the Tory policies.. Love it. 50 years old, never been so skint in all my life. Work 7 days a week, just to make sure I can eat in the latter parts of the month. Madness.

[@chucks6781]

Nothing good! what about all of the doctors dentists electricians mechanics nurses care assistants arriving daily with the help of Border Force RNLI taxi!s

[@sondoobie1987]

@@chucks6781 haha, I forgot that one. Silly me.

[@mulengae5]

And they are busy funding wars that benefits only the USA.

[@jasoncooper9391]

GET RID OF THE CORRUPT TORIES

[@karaperrio-du5gs]

and the corrupt labour bums too

[@jasoncooper9391]

@@karaperrio-du5gs Tories have wrecked the country FACT

[@Gary-le7dz]

Take us through the corrupt labour mps ?? …. Be here all day on Tory corrupt mp s

[@G-T]

& The Corrupted 'Labour Party'!

[@clavichord]

I'm not voting... for any party. Hopefully, the non-voters will get the majority... of course, the mainstrea media will ignore those figures.. conveniently

[@paulburton9386]

Dear Rishi, The Conservative's time in office is ending. It is time for you to migrate to Universal Credit. You will be required to attend an appointment at the Wellington Street Job Centre next Friday at 10.00am. Failure to attend will mean your claim will be closed. Please bring with you details of your accounts, bank statements for the last three months and your C.V. A Job Coach will advise you of paper rounds in your area. Regards the DWP

[@kopynd1]

to easy make him pay with the lash

[@MrC.1990]

Time for him to migrate full stop. He’s not white and not English

[@bascol123]

"And after a year unemployed your benefits will be terminated"

[@Frederique41]

If he does not attend he will be detained and deported to Rwanda.

[@languagetruthandlogic3556]

hahahahahahaha good one mate! can we see the video of the interview?

[@pastyman001]

400 would be a good figure lost. 600 Tory seats lost would be better. That is a lot less Tory activists obliged to campaign for them in the General Election.

[@Nemothewonderfish]

Then Tories blame all poor services on Labour. Double edged sword.

[@josephkerrigan733]

@@Nemothewonderfish They're going to do that anyway. Literally day 1 the Tories, Sky News & all their supporters will be saying "Come on then! Fix all the problems now! If you increase taxes we're going to slam you & you better not blame the last 13 years. You're in charge now and you better fix everything otherwise Labour is responsible for everything".

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@Nemothewonderfish Don't they (try to) do that anyway?

[@Question467]

Never vote Tories again

[@karaperrio-du5gs]

democracy is dead if all the parties believe the same crappy rubbish

[@Richcanvas]

Who are you going to vote for?

[@billgreen576]

I said this about Labour after Blair and Iraq. Then when Labour controlled our local Council they purchased a shopping centre without checking the key tenant was leaving and it lost millions in value leaving local tax payers on the hook. Most of the units now unoccupied. Meanwhile a Tesco was allowed to be built in the middle of the town. Nail in the coffin for many other small retailers.

[@Warbaman]

@@billgreen576 Good job there's more than 2 parties then isnt it

[@maccagrabme]

Reform only.

[@cornovii3012]

When you repeatedly ignore the majority of the country this is guaranteed to happen

[@marksavage1108]

So when 1 million marched against the war in Iraq, labour really listened, or the numerous reports of girls being gang raped ignored and hidden to protect the votes labour got from the gang rapists community. tories are still the least worst.

[@soulpkeruk]

Labour are no better either country's screwed

[@paulwilliams5121]

Yeah, like Labour in the last election - but Labour are still ignoring the majority of the country and they will win, so that shoots your theory down in flames

[@fahmad7194]

How can Sunak lie with a smile after leaving the UK in scraps?

[@Aden288]

Easily by the looks of it. He's used his time wisely for personal financial gain in other sectors at the expense of citizens.

[@nevertoolate5325]

To be fair Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss helped a lot with the ruin.

[@jamiepaget9466]

Because he has more money than he, or his next ten generations of descendants will ever need. Like most Tories, it's about the money, and the people can get screwed...

[@ukbloke28]

He doesn't live in that UK.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

He’s a deluded hedge fund billionaire - sorry he’s 100 million short of a billionaire.

[@paulmint1775]

I don't think Rishi knows the British people like he thinks he does.

[@janyb1907]

He knows nothing of us Brits

[@JamesDonaldson-yu3zz]

He knows nothing!!!!!

[@johnmartin7158]

He is British. Born here. Boris wasn’t born here.

[@JamesDonaldson-yu3zz]

@@johnmartin7158 He serves someone else! not the public!

[@dixie3058]

British ppl do no like him

[@johngorton4776]

Tories to get the boot

[@MrC.1990]

Labour to get the boot

[@mattbrown-mb]

@@MrC.1990 🦠

[@avalanche816]

​@@MrC.1990🤡

[@maccagrabme]

We will soon be living in a boot if we keep playing this Tory and Labour game, it's getting us nowhere.

[@Redsleather]

I’m voting Labour ✅

[@Lester-hi4ez]

Stealing from the poor to give to the rich 😂

[@marksavage1108]

Like labour signing PFI contracts with the mega rich super greedy corporates. Putting £Billions of NHS money, our taxes into the hands of the rich. Its the same as foreign aid which labour made into policy, when there was nothing wrong with the disaster fund we had for decades.

[@diro1610]

Exactly

[@TarlachOakleaf]

Ask a Tory, get a pack of lies.

[@Azureecosse]

I agree but I do not think you will get many truths with Starmer or Labour.

[@Tonymason762]

Oh dear, so you think it’s only Tories who lie? People have short memories or are not old enough to remember the last Labour government. They all lie, it’s what they do and to think it’s only the Tories is a tad naive if I’m honest.

[@aredub1847]

@@Azureecosse both sides eh? gtfo.

[@shuggiemcg1]

@@Azureecosse no! Labour get battered by most of the media being Tory biased! Look at how they went mad over the Angela Raynor nothing story! But hardly a word about the latest Tory scandal! Its the same every time! So most of those flip flops and labour lies are just made up or exaggerated!

[@lythalls]

@@Azureecossegot a reliable source for that claim ?

[@mrchekaman1917]

Maybe more. I think the Conservatives will lose 500 to 600 seats.

[@johnrussell3961]

Tory councillors never went to the Tory conference and heckled about what the Tories where doing to local services. They are complicit by their compliance..

[@StatingTheObvio]

To be replaced with more of the same 🤔

[@BalborValis]

Tories probably think they’ll loose 200, so are saying 400 so they can claims a “victory” by reducing the lose the media (there media) was reporting.

[@1292liam]

fingers crossed

[@davidjupp961]

400 seats = " not too bad a loss " christ, I hate the media in this country as much as I hate the fucking tories

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

1:05-1:20 I know; that's ridiculous. Losing 400 of 985 seats is a loss of 40.6%; losing 500 of 985 seats is a loss of 50.8%. Those are *both* terrible results, and the lower estimate comes from a Tory peer!

[@owentill]

⁠@@howtoappearincompletely9739plus what is said about the regional mayoral elections is just a dressed up way of saying “tories who have distanced themselves from their party will win easier than tories who haven’t”. Like, colour me shocked, but why is this good news for the tories?

[@markozdero4436]

He said that it’s not a disastrous but a bad loss

[@LoneSheWolf09]

NEVER AGAIN with the tories!

[@LoneSheWolf09]

@MajesticSwan690 folk have got short short short memories so I don’t think it be long til they get back in

[@marksavage1108]

@@LoneSheWolf09 yeah they forgot about the CHILD RAPE SQUAD GROOMING GANGS quickly enough. Or you would like to think that.

[@kraigetrueman1954]

Labour policy to nationalise rail is the first one i can get behind wholeheartedly.

[@raynarks]

That old chestnut! Yeah right.

[@johnrussell3961]

It will be done by stealth. As franchises end, they will not be replaced. Over time all train operations will fall into the hands of the state. It’s not so simple with the likes of water.

[@SentaDuck]

Starmer has already U-turned on all his other pledges, Starmers Labour can't be trusted.

[@internetoldie]

@@SentaDuck gotta try harder to troll these days mate.

[@dennis8196]

​@@SentaDuckthe only food one was pushed out using a Tory policy the Tories refused to use on themselves.

[@Ukipmiddleleft]

We don't trust you just like we don't trust greedy corporations GE now.

[@-AAH-]

They already sold us! If Labour gets anything back it'll be a miracle.

[@bobbymozza]

They are aligned.

[@scorps192]

Do you think that will change? Smh

[@marksavage1108]

@@-AAH- Who sold us? wasnt it toxic tony signing PFI contracts with the super greedy mega rich corporates to give the NHS hire purchase hospitals? oh dont forget the tuition fees and gordon with the gold and pensions.

[@davidantonucci1161]

What baffles me is why would Tories have any votes at all ,

[@JTV84]

because labour are so bad.

[@vorebiz]

Literally just brand recognition at this point. Reform UK are the real British conservative party in 2024, the current party in power are just grifters without any real ideology beyond pocketing side income and trying to cling onto their perch as long as possible.

[@ukbloke28]

@@JTV84 No, because 80%+ of the media is controlled by tory tabloids etc

[@PaulaXism]

There are 20x the number of millionaires now than there were in 1997.. and they have more than doubled their wealth in the last 5 years.. say anything to you?

[@marksavage1108]

@@PaulaXism National lottery winners and online businesses making a killing. It says nothing about any party.

[@Incognitus106]

People are still so blind Your still voting in the same parties over and over expecting different results. That's the definition of madness

[@PaulaXism]

My grandfather always said "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the lying politician in the sharp suit with the big house always wins".. As a South Wales Miner born in 1895 I have a strong idea he knew what he was talking about.. He said he once threw a brick at Lloyd George and missed him by inches in 1917 somewhere in the Valleys..

[@martinahardaker8739]

One Tory seat is one too many.

[@MrC.1990]

Same for Labour

[@illiteratethug3305]

@@MrC.1990 Imagine still being an apologist for the Tories after the last 14 years, on an account with some fucking anime profile picture, and you're in your 30's? Next time you cross the road, don't bother looking.

[@mikeyoung7660]

Well said

[@benhughes2563]

@@MrC.1990 All your replies I've read thus far are basically "no u." Try having an argument that isn't a waste of everyone's time. Tories and their supporters need to get in the sea, pronto.

[@jocee2257]

go find a job bot

[@AM-gy5xg]

Can anyone point out anything they havent broken in 14 years?

[@MrC.1990]

Labour can’t even define a woman.

[@AM-gy5xg]

Shocking to think but the majority don’t give a …. About it. We do care about cost of living nhs potholes and other sensible things unlike the Tory’s.

[@ukbloke28]

their piggy banks?

[@ukbloke28]

@@MrC.1990 it was a trick question, with no answer that would not be weaponised. a woman doesn't need to be defined, a woman is what she has always been since the dawn of time.

[@super_happy_alien509]

Yes. the Torys have never broken my view of them of beening selfish Blaggers.

[@tulliocampanale]

How does someone stand up and say ‘fantastic conservatives’ with a serious face?

[@StatingTheObvio]

All their financier friends who benefited by the plunging of the tax payer £ into their pockets.

[@jamiepaget9466]

My thoughts exactly. Like saying what fantastic parents Gerry and Kate Mcgann are.

[@robertwoodrow9650]

😆😅😂👀

[@marksavage1108]

Being a conservative and being a tory are two very different things. I want to conserve the English way of life so I am a conservative, I would never trust a tory to conserve anything other than their own greed.

[@aydinturhan9698]

The fact it took people this long to finally realise

[@whtwht]

Cause they vote Tory through default without thinking. Labour is supposed to be the peoples party but Starmer acts like a Tory boy. we shall see what happens bit have no confidence in them as these politicians are mostly mates on the gravy train.

[@alfching2499]

If Nobody in the country voted for any of these crooks im sure that would change our political system

[@markandrews6054]

Like having to choose between dog turd and cat turd.

[@mriggst]

His promises are worthless. What a charlatan.

[@korpiz]

Labour isn’t going to do anything better, if anything they will be worse. It’s like choosing between pest and cholera.

[@alexandersmith5464]

Do you have proof of that. Life was never this hard when labour was in power before?

[@PhattyBolger]

@@alexandersmith5464 Probably because they spent money like it was going out of fashion. Thus damning us to several years of austerity to make up for it, while going through a recession. And you don't need "proof" for healthy scepticism of politicians. You're an idiot if you trust either side.

[@panagenesis2695]

Yes, sir!!! Oust the bums and put the war criminals on trial!👏👏👏

[@iffler2542]

Tony Blair?

[@PaulaXism]

@@iffler2542 Yes.. that Eton tory as well..

[@PhattyBolger]

@@PaulaXism Blair didn't go to Eton. And he's not a Tory.

[@russellmarriott9396]

Then call a GE!

[@tomoreilly5803]

He may have no choice after this

[@xcf5587]

@@tomoreilly5803Why? I mean the best thing for him and the Tories is to wait as long as possible whilst they hope the tide swings back slightly. Tbh it’s quite obvious, and I mean any party, Labour or whoever if they were in the same position right now would do the same thing.

[@verymozart]

If the loss is huge he will somehow be forced to call GE. Like in June

[@Richcanvas]

Proves how bad things have got when Labour could get into power.

[@PaulaXism]

In the local elections?.. Dream on.. less than 30% vote in them.. mostly pensioners.

[@hertswildlife]

Expect the Green's to do somewhat better than +30.

[@gamerknown]

Which seats do you think they'll win?

[@billgreen576]

30 seats out of thousands. That will exert significant pressure. Ha ha.

[@hertswildlife]

@@billgreen576 A lot of people will be voting Green as the main parties become a neo-liberal cartel and are unacceptable..

[@Mia_xoxo2-b3e]

Love Reform. Splitting the right so labour wins

[@johnmartin7158]

It will be a Landslide for Labour.

[@alanmckay7040]

What does it matter, are the Tories any different from Labour?

[@MiningForPies]

@@alanmckay7040yes. Loads different. Only a fool thinks they’re the same.

[@shuggiemcg1]

@@alanmckay7040 massively! Just look at all the money the Tories have syphoned off into either their own or their mates bank accounts! Labour left a functioning country with about £1 trillion in debt the tories have raised that to almost £3 trillion and nothing works, they added £8 billion to that total this year alone and not to mention taxes at their highest in 70 years with nothing to show for it.... wheres all the money gone!?

[@sadikmeah4057]

They were losing anyway

[@bc5295]

Why not ask an independent pollster instead of a partisant Tory one?

[@wattbenj]

I’m so bored by it all. There’s absolutely nothing inspiring about any of them. I really hope Labour are telling the truth with regards to nationalising the railways but sadly I don’t trust politicians any more.

[@elmhurstenglish5938]

Yep, I feel the same. Gives you a fall sense of choice, but it's all the same when it matters.

[@verymozart]

Vote greens or don't vote at all

[@PhattyBolger]

@@verymozart Yeah, I'm definitely going to vote for the party which had a member, on tape, say it should be illegal for a taxi driver to put a Union Jack on his car because it's offensive. Didn't plan on voting anyway 🤣

[@marksandsmith6778]

Like many many Tories Lord Hayward underestimates the disgust and contempt of the electorate.

[@andy.m265]

And people think it’ll get any better under a Labour Government ? The whole lot need replacing with a new party of the people !

[@macdaddysteeze1659]

God lord the UK is truly a pathetic shell of what it once was

[@1292liam]

since 2016 especially

[@marksavage1108]

@@1292liam since 1973.

[@jchendrix]

The rail system needs to be nationalised in order to bring it up to basic working standards. The UK currently has the worst rail system in Europe, most of the time it does not work at all.

[@ukbloke28]

and is grotesquely overpriced. France just announced an offer where oyu can have an open ticket to travel the entire country for 1 month for like 35 quid. that would be about 25 grand here

[@bobbymozza]

"The UK currently has the worst rail system in Europe." It looked it up and apparently not. I would've been surprised if it was worse than Moldova.

[@jchendrix]

@@bobbymozza instead of looking it up walk down to your nearest train station you complete banana 😂😂😂

[@Hitchhiker007]

We the people need to vote all the 3 main parties out. Reset the system with a parliament of independent candidates. Our current parliament has been bought by out by corporations and rogue foreign forces. We must all vote, as an uncast vote is a Tory vote by default.

[@tomibutler5282]

Why did the graphic include Wales when the whole video was exclusively about England? Stop inferring that Wales is England when its not

[@pinkdiamond1847]

I'm pretty sure they also said Eastern Europe. I'm also pretty sure that Wales is even further West than England. Also, what country in Eastern Europe was he in? I'm guessing Ukraine but why wouldn't they just say that?

[@Gamer-dude247]

Maybe this entire Tory government can all go overseas and run their own country? (India/Pakistan)

[@Helen-nl9lv]

Excellent idea

[@PhattyBolger]

Nah, Labour's just gonna bring them all here.

[@farhadali6575]

dont know what this poll is saying everyone i talk to is voting independent or green. their words 'time for change and im sick of conservatives and labour, their both part of the same rusty OLD coin.

[@rickcrammond2617]

It took the British public way too long to see the light.

[@Morning404]

Yep. Mainly due to older voters.

[@JamesDonaldson-yu3zz]

@@Morning404 Exactly

[@elmhurstenglish5938]

Let's wait and see how Labour does. I hope it's a move in the right direction, but I've no faith.

[@rickcrammond2617]

@@elmhurstenglish5938 It's a little like the USA 2020, people didn't really want Biden, but Trump had to go.

[@RafaquaQuetta]

They're idiots.

[@karlkidd6295]

Whoever thinks Labour is gonna sort our country out never lived through the last Labour government or have a short memory. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. "PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION"

[@lawrencevincent1]

TOUGH..Tories out!

[@karlkidd6295]

@lawrencevincent1 Yeah, you never really grasped my comment. Did you? Shouty shouty person.... Social media education no doubt.

[@lawrencevincent1]

@@karlkidd6295 Yeah what. For your information, the whole system is broken Mr Cap locks because the vile Tories broke the entire system. People need to know the truth and if shouting helps then I'm gonna do it. You waffle on about labour and yet we have public services smashed, millions spent on a failed Rwanda plan, a failed Brexit, attacks on the poorest and weakest in our society, demonizing the disabled, people struggling with mortgages with no help, massive council tax hikes, and then you project this bullshit onto us and I failed to grasp it. The list is endless.

[@ANDY1985UK2011]

it was a lot easier to see a doctor or get a hospital appointment in 2010

[@HarlowCoull]

You mean when labour doubled the GDP reduced the poverty rate beefed up the military and made the UK's average salary like 4th in the world? Yeah I remember as well

[@Gamer-dude247]

There is only one man the entire country wants to get rid of, ...Khan, get hin the f out of office ffs.....

[@sy11ll15]

Tories, Labour etc, DOOMED

[@mclovin8739]

Im not voting at all, there's absolutely no one worthy of my vote 😢

[@languagetruthandlogic3556]

Good call! Sad but true, we have no one worthy of the role. Whoever wins, Britain loses.

[@mikeyoung7660]

Same here

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

stand for election yourself, and vote for yourself ;)

[@stevenhenry5267]

Dumb

[@Boghopper9999]

The smartest thing to do is vote for the least worst viable candidate; anything else just helps the worst viable candidate

[@redgeorgieredgeorgie]

Not sure how you can describle losing 400 seats as "bad, but not disasterous." That would mean losing 41% of the seats they're defending. That's worse than they did last year and worse that May did at the 2019 locals. It would be their worst % loss since the 90's.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

A 50.8% loss if you take your numbers from the pollsters who don't manifestly have an interest in downplaying the Tories' troubles.

[@jmw-qt2ih]

Remember this is a local election not a General election when we really do want as close to zero Conservative seats as we can. My local council has been Labour for as long as I care to remember and what they continually give the residents here is very high council tax bills (band E £2800) along with a poor services but will always remain in power due to people voting for who they would in a general election.

[@ilikethiskindatube]

Giving total power to Labour won't make a lick of difference. The UK is beyond fixing.

[@Gary-le7dz]

Cameron’s austerity caused over 300000 early deaths in the uk , austerity that was proven to be not needed and ideological….. plus the debt has trebled

[@marksavage1108]

doubled, labour left £900 Billion debt, tories slightly more than doubled it to £1,9 Trillion and the covid recovery fund loan takes us to £2.4 Trillion now.

[@Gary-le7dz]

7dz 1 second ago No it’s TREBLED!! The banking “ recovery fund “ crisis cost the i Uk £400 billion , labour left office it was £ 880 billion , it is now £2780 billion so THREE times what it was 14 years ago . The national debt to gdp was 52% 2010 it is now 97% , our credit rating has been downgraded THREE times from 100% to 85% below 23 other countries…. Germany still 100% , france 93% , EU and USA 98%

[@Gary-le7dz]

7dz 1 second ago No it’s TREBLED!! The banking “ recovery fund “ crisis cost the i Uk £400 billion , labour left office it was £ 880 billion , it is now £2780 billion so THREE times what it was 14 years ago . The national debt to gdp was 52% 2010 it is now 97% , credit rating also downgraded 3 times below 23 other countries The Tory’s have managed to mess the increase the debt treble it and slaughter public services nhs both at the same time quite an accomplishment

[@pensans1]

Uni party sold us out.

[@surfer-uy5ys]

Labour 4 🥇

[@Hail_To_The_King]

@@surfer-uy5ys Do you expect the national debt to be higher or lower when labour leave office? Do you expect crime to go up or down? Do you expect house prices to go up or down? So where's the win?

[@strangemagic5502]

Remember when the media told us that the polls were in favour of remaining in the EU? How did that turn out?

[@richardhall4830]

Like it even matters which puppet is in place 😂😂😂 I suppose it matters for those on the gravy train

[@skadiwarrior2053]

It matters to the WEF.

[@alanmckay7040]

The choice is clear, you can be knifed in the front by Labour, or knifed in the back by the Tories.

[@chrisgoblin4857]

You can at least defend yourself when you see it coming. I'm not sure this analogy is a good one.

[@xazarl3381]

@@chrisgoblin4857 Not when they put you in prison for saying things you dont agree with lol.

[@PhattyBolger]

Both by a "refugee".

[@peterstewart8758]

Not a moment too soon.

[@nevillespence6101]

Vote Reform , take our country back

[@PNETriffid]

You've been regurgitating the same Putin-fib for eight years now.

[@lawrencevincent1]

NO!

[@towardtruerye4914]

saying conservatives are conservative is like saying kfc is a vegan heaven

[@richiesquest3283]

Myself and my family are all voting Reform UK

[@mitramela712]

Awesome. That will keep rightwing out of power for a century. Please also consider voting for other rightwing parties. Splitting into two is not sufficient. Split it by 5 or 6 various frothing fatso gammon parties. Good luck 🤞🏾

[@SlowhandGreg]

Same pile of economic bs the Cons sell If your voting based on migration promises don't hold your breath the main drivers of legal migration are the economic polices thier pushing

[@1292liam]

haha good one

[@marksavage1108]

@@mitramela712 You do know all the reasons the red wall voters changed their loyalty for ,, are all still there, why do folk think the extremely pissed off labour voters are any less pissed off with them now?.

[@WillLMC96]

Good, England needs a proper Right-Wing movement. The tories have been centrist/center-left globalists since Thatcher's exit, nothing 'conservative' about them at all.

[@michaelmccann5724]

What do they expect this is what happens when you play with the people labour or torys and not good for Britain. Need a new start

[@GloriAteus]

Stop the Regime of 2 Partidarism. Stop Tory, Stop Labour!

[@nicksimmons7234]

Corbyn fan club speaks.

[@Is_it_p]

@@nicksimmons7234 bot

[@GloriAteus]

On 2 May 2024, we will see if the rotten Regime will still get hold again of the cities in the UK. If so, this kingdom deserves the title of The United Masochist Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.🤕

[@ukbloke28]

You mean you want PR.

[@Boghopper9999]

I'll second the motion to introduce Proportional Representation

[@janepoynter3660]

No seats thats what they deserve no to TORYS & no to LABOUR

[@lawrencevincent1]

NO!...TORIES OUT!

[@VivienneHodson]

Would not vote for either, both useless.

[@ukbloke28]

how can you possibly know current labour is useless? They havent been in power yet. or did you somehow expect them to effect change from the opposition seats?

[@johnharvey1786]

@@ukbloke28Absolutely correct. Perhaps she should blame herself for the failure of the conservatives as she has as much power to change things as the opposition leader, which under the current system is absolutely zero.

[@VivienneHodson]

@@ukbloke28 Easy they are all out for themselves! I would vote an independent someone who knows their area, and what needs to be fixed. In our town both Conservative and Labour candidates don’t even live here, and we have a lot of problems but they are too afraid to address. My area is Labour run and they have done nothing for the area just made it worse and spend money on useless schemes what come to nothing.

[@ukbloke28]

@@VivienneHodson you need to study up on how the system actually works. the local constituencies have bombed because they are centrally funded by the government. did you miss the whole austerity project somehow? plus the tories deliberately defunded labour councils a lot more to make them look bad. I mean it's not like they havent been employing these tactics at least since the 70s ... what can your council do if their budget have been cut? An independent would be working with the same budget. Plus why do you think they would be 'less ' out for themselves'? In any case, 'they're all the same' is literally propaganda spread by the tories to make people change averse. labour are NOT the same and never have been. show when they embezzled millions if not billions, like the tories have?

[@MrC.1990]

@@ukbloke28red Tories led by a bloke who can’t even define a woman.

[@michaelillingworth6433]

Vote for anyone except Labour or Conservative.

[@jayrobthorn6847]

Exactly, people are stupid if they think by voting in the red clan that things are going to be any better, well they are not, only time things will change is when we stop voting both these corrupt showers of s***.

[@DaliaAndre]

Period PE RI OD

[@PhattyBolger]

Don't vote Green unless you want the British flag to be illegal.

[@DalitisHebrewnotHindu]

Stop the boats

[@markswales762]

Reform……pass the message around…..move the 14% up above the 44% Labour time for a change.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@MH-zq4nl]

Well done Rishi. If you are being paid to dstroy GB, you are doing a first rate job, and don't worry about the final blow. Starmer and the demon Blair will finish us off.

[@jackspring7709]

Yeah - so the right cheek will be losing out to the left cheek. What an amazing difference this will make to our lives.

[@johnrussell3961]

England has to sit on its backside, and that isn’t socialist.

[@KronikWarfare]

Funny even their abbreviation is 'CONS' sums them up 😂

[@RaptorJesus.]

its always the same, labour, tory, labour tory, labour, tory... both tearing the country apart. we need reform.

[@user-cl5yt8yt5d]

Zero seats zero seats zero seats

[@maneshipocrates2264]

Will they even get 1 seat? So people still want to vote for them?

[@JamesDonaldson-yu3zz]

I suppose! the ones who wear Corduroy Trousers!

[@marksavage1108]

UKIP had 3.9 million votes and 1 seat, the establishment panicked enough to give the eu referendum. UKIP was only matching the lib/dems in voter numbers, Reform are almost matching tory numbers in the polls, What the media want to divert from is the things the red wall voters walked away from,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are all still there.

[@paulinetipper1351]

VOTE REFORM.

[@hurstmitchell6392]

So looking at the data, most of the country don’t want Labour .

[@disobeytoday4685]

In the past 20 years how many Prime Ministers were actually voted by the public? My first was Tony Blair, and he only won the election because Rupert Murdoch wanted him to

[@PhattyBolger]

I can tell you for certain the North East wants Labour no matter what. They could come out and say they're going to sacrifice every firstborn and they'd still vote Labour because their grandad did.

[@rageagainstmyhatchet]

It's got to be the water companies. Yes the trains, but please good if we keep pumping 500hrs a time of sewage into rivers, we might as well just live in a chlorine factory.

[@M-rp3gq]

21% deluded people

[@markwright130]

I'm voting reform, never ever again trust the tories or Labour

[@paulbiggs5523]

It is a shame that local councillors will bear the brunt of the country's disgust with our Government and its MPs. It is of course inevitable, local elections do often reflect dissatisfaction with Westminster. Will it be a wake-up call for our government? I doubt it, they seem to be deluded enough to believe the voting populace actually supported their utter ineptitude.

[@himarkburdett9378]

Go back to your contituance and prepare for a disappointment

[@alfieakaronaldog]

Reform is long overdue

[@jake751]

No difference between labour and conservative. Both vile

[@concretel10n]

Literally nothing's going to change

[@PhattyBolger]

nah. doomed, mate.

[@megalewy19]

So much corruption in government today we need reform 🇬🇧 and now take care all

[@PaulaXism]

Yeah.. Reform will take all.. Starting with OUR NHS to their corporate funders.. Do you like being bled dry by private for profit shady business and corporate tax avoidance?.. Then vote for Reform PLC LTD.. The unthinking unthinkers private asset strippers of choice..

[@mjribes]

The Tories suck, but I fear Labour will be worse. I personally dont want either.

[@JTV84]

well said. neither of them represent what they claim to.

[@ukbloke28]

Lol worse than the Tories. Ok. Will Labour rip off billions and give it to their mates? Show the evidence.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Ridiculous

[@verymozart]

Vote the greens then. Or don't vote at all. There are not many options

[@mjribes]

@@verymozart Greens are just peppermint flavoured labour.

[@coppershark1973]

It’s going to be WAAAAY more than that.

[@stevenhowe6677]

Where I live BOTH Tory/Labour have become a dirty word, Britain simply needs ............ Reform.

[@katherynet1424]

I've always thought no matter the party they are all the same. None of them are worth your vote, the country needs to find a new direction.

[@richardhowlett4097]

They are not the same, the tories are only interested in the footsie and share dividends. Their policies have ruined this country.

[@verymozart]

Vote greens or don't vote at all

[@marksavage1108]

@@verymozart the greens want to destroy us faster than the other two combined. and suggesting not to vote at all, are you a commie or something?

[@PhattyBolger]

@@verymozart Greens are further Left than Labour. No thanks.

[@attockmrdl]

Sunak always brings fake smile while he lies

[@jayneangelalee6782]

They all do. Too much money no common sense. Harsh reality of not having to live in reality

[@attockmrdl]

@@jayneangelalee6782 I agree with you. They really don't care

[@Hail_To_The_King]

ZERO SEATS!

[@letsallgetalong5499]

Get rid of the whole corrupt system, and bring the government back to the local council's small conentrated local government for each borough, so we can manage resources better in every sense, do away with this global insanity. This is just for starters.

[@ukbloke28]

you really havent thought this thorugh hve you. the local councils already do have local authority? a lot of infrastructure and planning needs to be universal, you can't have little fiefdoms like medaeval times. most authorities cant self finance enough to stay afloat. about 35 are due to go bankrupt due to tories cutting back funding. so how are they going to be autonomous?

[@PaulaXism]

@@ukbloke28 I think some people would be happy to have council tax bills in the 10,000 to 15,000 range... just as long as they don't have to pay it from their minimum wage job.. Why do renters have to pay council tax?.. they don't own the property so it's value has no relevance..

[@ukbloke28]

@@PaulaXism yeah id like to see it more like Scandinavia where services are extremely good, the place is well run and the population make big contributions to enable it. as it stands I resent every penny of tax I pay, knowing it will mostly end up in some tory's pocket, paying for banks to gamble etc. council tax covers services etc. the services are used by the people who live in the property, not the landlord. is your landlord putting waste in your bins then?

[@letsallgetalong5499]

@ukbloke28 If I explain exactly what I mean, I'd be writing an essay length explanation, and I have thought it through, carefully, and It wouldn't be as extreme as you imply, and it's not true that local authorities have nearly enough power and even if they did they are at the mercy of politicians in London with a obvious agenda, we need a hard reset and get back to basics because there seems to be no coherency in British politics, absolutely no transparency, things have spiralled out of control, this country is losing it's identity exponentially, much of what we are capable of doing has purposely been out sourced over seas, we have a common wealth that can provide everything we need if we are unable to produce it ourselves, you should know what I am trying to say, but it definitely isn't what you make it out to be.

[@ukbloke28]

@@letsallgetalong5499 Sounds like one of those conspirant rants where you throw everything that bothers you in one pot and then grossly oversimplify it. You were clear enough. You think the solution is to decouple central governance and somehow regress to purely localised authority. I pointed out the issues of finance - most areas are not self-sufficient and require funding from London and the fact that many issues inherently require global control across the country. Instead of addressing those points, you are indulging in mass whataboutery. Ok so you seem to take issue with immigration (surprise). Why do you think your plan would change that? Why do you think it would bring investment to regenerate industry? how will our manufacturing compete with low costs in china? What about the encroachment of manual labour by automation? I'll give you a couple clues. A - what you think is the solution is impossible. B - even if it were possible, it's never going to happen.

[@Alexandrenure]

People saying not voting for tories , but will vote Labour 🤣🤣🤣

[@leeturnbull2082]

Anyone who thinks Labour will be better needs to think harder, Tories and Labour need gone and something else that's better needs to replace it, they're both the parties of the elites.

[@MrC.1990]

Toffs or champagne socialists. Neither thanks!

[@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO]

In reality Labour doesn't exist, it has been rebranded as Tories MK2 by Tory-Starmer

[@ukbloke28]

@@MrC.1990 rich people who hate the poor or rich people who want to help? 3 guesses which side coined the term "champagne socialists."

[@MrObliviousegg]

​@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO The Tories are already too left wing. We're stuffed if Labour win.

[@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO]

@@MrObliviousegg What is so Left-Wing about: 1) Maintaining our highly unethical economic system which favours the Elite at the expense of the underprivileged? 2) Encouraging and funding 🇮🇱 to continue violating international laws? 3) Encouraging corporations to exploit and destroy the most poorest in the world's poorest countries? 4) Supplying arms and encouraging global conflicts? 5) Forcing disabled people to work for a pittance for unsuitable jobs, or jobs that don't exist?, these are all Right-Wing Conservative policies; you are infinitely less intelligent than a fart.

[@gabemore1766]

No to labour or cons

[@ukbloke28]

those are the only possible choices under FPTP. Not voting is meaningless. Voting for small parties that can never hold power is meaningless. It's just people acting out / trying to be a rebel.

[@marksavage1108]

@@ukbloke28 YAWN you ignorant lot said the exact same thing about UKIP, yet it was 3.9 Million UKIP voters and 1 seat that panicked the establishment to give the eu referendum. oh and by the way,,,, the voters still want to kick back against the establishment. The eu referendum was as far from meaningless as it gets.

[@stevejarvis4174]

Get the tories out they just line the rich pockets ! 🐍 sunak the snake !

[@juliedean8897]

Thank god, hope they NEVER get in again

[@tenniskinsella7768]

14 years of chaos funnt then that boris got in with a big majority. Want chaos vote labour. Want to nationalise the railways costing billions if pounds. Do y remember how awful British rail was what a waste of billions if money

[@markedwards9247]

I remember how cheap British Rail was.

[@shatbad2960]

They are two sides of the same coin. Nothing is going to get better for native Brits.

[@PaulaXism]

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the lying politician in the sharp suit with the big house always wins" - Wilfred O Allen (my grandfather.. died 1969)

[@Fireglo]

Hopefully they won't even have enough seats to be leader of the opposition.

[@mohammedkhan5344]

Renationalised water, gas and electricity. Then we can talk. Don't forget ceasefire for Gaza.🤨