Local Noon in Darwin today - the Sun is at Zenith. 26th October 2022

[@Wolfie6020]

I filmed this four years ago in Darwin also. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqPWl2t8ja97htU ...and with a drone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYiaq4OopriBp5I

[@StylesD83]

Thanks for the vid Wolfie. I've been watching your vids for about 3 years; maybe, more. When I was in the Navy, we went to Darwin around 2005 and I can attest that the ship's navigator, didn't get there with a flat earth, model. 😂

[@studentjohn]

Thank you for the video! Can I suggest a flat earth youtuber who might benefit from some (genuinely) constructive commentary? Dwayne Kellum. He launches weather balloons, and they claim these show the horizon doesn't drop - but these videos are bouncing up, down, left, right, have no reference point, and you can see new features coming into view over the horizon. I believe he's well meant, but he doesn't know what he's meant to be looking for in the first place.

[@itsikcarmona9845]

Earth is a planet why it is so hard to understand. :-) why do people still believe that we are the center of the universe.

[@mikecrownshaw1646]

@@itsikcarmona9845 flat earth is a cult and they are too fragile to believe they could be wrong

[@muzikgod]

@Wolfie6020 Just curious if any of my comments or links are in your spam box. Paul Purdue who's been trolling your channel for 3 years now claims not any of my replies to him are showing. He's receiving the notices but the chicken won't reply as he believes you or I has done something. He doesn't believe KZbin is broken and ghosts many messages, typical from a reality denier.

[@warrickdawes7900]

15-degrees per hour drift - thanks Bob!

[@Alysm-Aviation]

For those of you who didn't know, QF27 AND QF28 are active flights again. The Sydney-Santiago route is back destroying flat earth.

[@MissionControl-dk]

GE: "what are the internal angles of a circle?" FE: "wait, I'm counting!"

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

Nice clear proof the sun can't be "circling" the way the flerfs like to pretend. Gorgeous time and direction to be landing too. The most mind blowing sunset I think I've ever seen was from an old Bell 47 flying at around 1,000 AGL and heading home directly towards a setting sun after a day of doing joy rides at an event and leaving a bit later than we should have. It was a pretty much cloudless sky and we were flying directly towards it. It had set by the time we landed but there was still enough light to see, that was one memory that'll never leave me. That was amazing to see and had me hanging out the door to see and take pics without having to look through the bubble, absolutely beautiful to watch like that.

[@mikefochtman7164]

Great video Wolfie. Glad to see you again, missed having your great content. But yeah, I can understand being tired of all the flat-earth nonsense. Still, I've enjoyed your other videos about flying, instrumentation, star-gazing, and the occasional snippet of your family. Have a nice spring! :)

[@graciouscalf]

really telling the people who actually go and do the observations... but not only that, but to do it in such a way where anyone could replicate them. excellent work

[@fepeerreview3150]

5:23 Beautiful! If ever you happen to be taking off around that time, flying west with a view of the sunset, please do remember to keep the cameras going. Maybe between flying west and rising in altitude you can bring the Sun back up ... a sunrise in the West!

[@youdie309]

Better yet would be taking off headed east while having a rear mounted camera so they can't claim that you are getting closer to the Sun :) But then this has been done with drones and helicopters.

[@DickHolman]

@@youdie309 I think these are engineering cams, so any cam/s would focused on the control-surfaces. How much of the horizon would be in the FOV is down to the mounting. @ Wolfie, am I right in my thinking? They also make good shots for the publicity department. :)

[@youdie309]

@@DickHolman I know absolutely nothing about it but look at the landing portion, I would think the same thing could be done looking to the rear :) Pause the video at 5:53 and notice that it shows an "aft" cam.

[@Soundbrigade]

This is a non-debunkable proof that we don’t live on a flat plane-t. Great work!❤

[@grahvis]

Flat earthers are not interested in evidence. I ask them how far it is round the Equator and you can tell by their evasion of the question, they know the answer shows their silliness.

[@DevanSabaratnam]

Welcome to my home town. That car park is only a few hundred meters from my house. I was playing golf at noon, and wish I had known about the sun position while out on the course so I could have observed it.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Devan, Nice to be here.

[@muzikgod]

@@Wolfie6020 Paul Purdue is having a meltdown, perhaps you could pin his comment?

[@fedogma8407]

I live in Bangkok and we had the sun directly overhead on 16 August. I likes the exterior cameras shots. Once I was on a cross Pacific flight and on the flight information channel they also had an exterior camera located on the tail. I went to that channel to watch the landing and to my disappointment they turned it off about 10 miles from the airport.

[@Mike-me3sp]

They probably didn't want to waste film

[@gregnietsky]

I'm 8n Johannesburg south-africa and at noon the shadow was short indeed nice demonstration

[@mballer]

Could you do a video with a globe model outside aligned with the earth and watch the sunrises and sunsets on it?

[@mballer]

If you did a Livestream people in California could watch their sunset live on your model.

[@Wolfie6020]

That is a good idea. I did something similar for an Equinox video but it also works every single day.

[@mballer]

@@Wolfie6020 If multiple globes were videoed simultaneously in different countries the shadows would also be identical on the maps no matter where on the earth they were.

[@fromnorway643]

It’s interesting to note that the *_polar night_* started in Longyearbyen on Svalbard today on October 26th while the Sun was near zenith in Darwin. It’s almost as if they are both located on a _globe_ with Longyearbyen being 90 degrees farther north than Darwin! The difference is 78.2 + 12.4 = 90.6°, but if it wasn’t for atmospheric refraction, the polar night in Longyearbyen would have started one or two days earlier.

[@ReinoGoo]

So Darwin in Australia is at the horizon in Longyearbyen in Svalbard. At least zenith in the sky there.

[@fromnorway643]

@@ReinoGoo Not quite! Darwin as seen from Longyearbyen is 54° below the horizon to the east-northeast and hidden by 10,250 km of partly molten rock.

[@ReinoGoo]

The latitude of Darwin is at least.

[@fromnorway643]

@@ReinoGoo At least WHAT?

[@TazzxCc]

I was SO waiting for a "Thanks Bob!" after you said 15 deg... :D

[@OudeicratAnnachrista]

I think that's because what Bob measured was a different rotation speed than what is needed for the equatorial mount to track the sun. Bob's gyroscope only measures inertial rotation (approx 15.041°/h), but to track the sun you also need to take into account the fact earth also revolves around the sun, so while it rotated one exact 360° it also moved approx 1/365.256th of its orbit around the sun (how much exactly depends on the time of the year because of the slight eccentricity of the orbit: more during perihelion, less during aphelion). Notice however that to track the distant stars with an equatorial mount we'd need the Bob rotation speed of 15.041°/h (perhaps with a tiny compensation for parallax for the closer stars, but this might be already beyond the accuracy limit of commercial mounts? I don't know.)

[@joeshmoe7967]

@@OudeicratAnnachrista Definitely the sun, moon and planets have to be tracked at slightly different speeds than the stars. Most mounts have a setting for that. The thanks Bob joke is now getting old any way.

[@itsikcarmona9845]

Yesterday there was a partial sun eclipse in western Asia. We saw it from Israel. 33% cover.

[@kylie_h1978]

I have been asking FLers how the sun can rise in the southeast and set in the southwest for Southern hemisphere countries during spring and summer for years and I have never gotten even close to an intelligible answer. Mostly they run away, just as they do when you ask them how far it is from Sydney, Australia, to Auckland, New Zealand, or for them to define the top of a ball. The fact that they can't answer these questions should clue them in that something is very wrong with their beliefs, but they want to believe in it so badly that no amount of evidence will change it for them. Flat Earth is a religion.

[@entangledmindcells9359]

I showed exactly how it works to a couple and they literally said.. "That proves nothing.. it also works on a flat earth" so I ask them how and they rambled about not understanding perspective and other BS.

[@briangriffin8954]

Just out of interest , could you tell me the relevance of the distance between Sydney and Auckland! Cheers.

[@kylie_h1978]

@@briangriffin8954 Really any two cities in the southern hemisphere would do, but basically, since we can pinpoint the cities' locations with methods that don't rely on the earth being a globe, the difference between the two would be vastly different as a straight line on a flat earth vs using a great circle on a globe. Flat Earthers can't use the real value, just over two thousand kilometers, because it's far too short on the Flat Earth, but using the value of a straight line on a flat earth gives a value way too great, about 5,000 kilometers, to be explained away given the vast amount of sea and air travel between the two cities that all rely on the globe value. Literally, multiple flights back and forth each day. Trying to resolve this dilemma appears to be too much and they keep on running away.

[@OudeicratAnnachrista]

the actual position of the sun matches the flerf prediction only once a day, and even that with different assumed sun altitudes for different locations on earth

[@cartographicprojection]

Great work Wolfie. Very clearly explained. 👍👍 And what a beautiful sunset landing! 😍😍

[@freddan6fly]

With the cirrus clouds lit from below.

[@feedingravens]

Beautiful shots from the plane. Seems in the meantime cameras are so small you can use some to check the relevant parts like the landing gear. Flatlings will take this shot and say "Look, Wolfie flies over a FLAT earth!" - ignoring the "bent" wing leading edge (that is straight (evtl. a tiny wing warp upwards due to the lift forces)) ahowing that this is a massive fisheye effect, so you cannot trust ANY straight line.

[@FrenchCrow]

These on-board cameras must also entertain passengers, I guess.

[@profphilbell2075]

Fantastic as usual.

[@Otherj3839]

Indeed. Btw, Glen Salch certainly has a lot of questions for you on Quantum Degreaser's video.

[@profphilbell2075]

@@Otherj3839 which one?

[@Otherj3839]

@@profphilbell2075 WHere you posted as Phil B on the 'sun shrinks to nothing using a solar filter' video.

[@donstronomy7606]

Great video Wolfie, I always thought that an equatorial mount was a great example for flat earthers. The tracking of celestial objects can't work with an equatorial mount if the earth was flat. Love to see how they disprove that! CS

[@1pierrr]

That shadow of the shadow was amazing. Never seen it like that… too far south… 29ish degrees. I’d love to see something like that. Maybe next year. A couple hours in a plane to Darwin.

[@randalscott7224]

Nice video Wolfie! Having the Sun directly overhead leaves everything, particularly poles weirdly shadowless. Vsauce did a video a while back covering this phenomena, something I'd like to see myself sometime.

[@FrenchCrow]

Getting no shadow is kind of strange for people (like me) living at latitudes above 40°... Could it ever happen that you were at a latitude of about 23-23.5° on the solstice day, and you made a similar video, demonstrating this time the tilt of the earth's axis of rotation? I know it's a lot to ask! 😅

[@michaeldunlavey6015]

Take a vacation. Go to Kauai around May-July. It's latitude 22 north, so sometime before/after the solstice, around noon, the sun will be directly overhead.

[@FrenchCrow]

@@michaeldunlavey6015 Indeed. I am well aware of that, yet I am far from being able to afford this kind of trip.

[@youdie309]

I'd like to see them explain how the Sun is observed traveling to the north as it rises and traveling to the south as it sets when they claim that it travels in a clockwise circle overhead.

[@michaeldunlavey6015]

Good luck. They're very well practiced at ignoring facts.

[@chriscarrico5367]

Here is an experiment for flat earthers. At the moment when the sun is directly overhead in Darwin, measure the angle of the sun from Sydney, Melbourn and Perth. Since these mesurments are taken on a flat surface, and the straight line distances between the cities are easily confirmed, simple trigonometry should reveal the precise height of the sun and all three mesurments results should agree. Measurments from further away would be more effective, but distances that go over only land are harder to dispute. Looking forward to watching the FLERFs squirm

[@michaeldean4712]

The NASA case is epic.

[@richardcarnes2834]

Equatorial mounts elegantly demonstrate that the sun and stars appear to move in perfect circles centered on the celestial poles no matter where you are. Now what could possibly explain this phenomenon? Someday some genius will discover an explanation… 😊

[@richardcarnes2834]

Other baffling cosmic mysteries: Why can’t we see the sun at night? What explains the moon’s phases and appearance? How do we explain lunar eclipses? Why does the sun move against the background of the stars at the rate of one Zodiac sign per month? What explains the movements of the five wandering stars (sometimes called “planets”) in the sky? Maybe there are some things we are just not supposed to know…

[@joeshmoe7967]

I have offered several times $10,000 to flatties to provide me with plans to build a tracking platform that would allow long exposure astrophotography based 100% of flat earth rules. Flat earth, zero tilt, zero motion of any kind. I still have my money. The EQ mount destroys flat earth. It works exactly as engineered, based on a globe earth, tilted axis of 23.5 degrees and a rotational speed of 15 degrees per hour. It must be aligned based on the location on earth. Travel of just a few miles north or south will require realignment. Nice landing!!!

[@j.howardj]

Wow, the sun certainly looks close and local doesn't it? ;)

[@gowdsake7103]

NO only a moron in denial would say that

[@TheWokeFlatEarthTruth]

That is because it is jhj. The distance to our Sun has been repeatedly measures to be approximately 150 million km. This makes it the closest star to Earth, the next nearest being Proxima Centauri (Alpha Centuari C) which is at a distance of over 4 light years away.Take care.

[@DelBoy1967]

Yep, the EQ mount works well on a rotating sphere, even a model. Could never get this to work on the AE model with one axis of rotation. You may remember years ago a flerf named Chris claimed to have the EQ mount working perfectly on the AE model, he failed to demonstrate and ran away. Nice landing 👍

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes I remember Chris. They always give up. My favourite was Awake Souls who said he was going to produce a working model. After several weeks his excuse was the dog ate his model and he took that as a sign from God not to attempt my challenge...

[@DelBoy1967]

@@Wolfie6020 I do remember Awake Souls was fundraising for a large model globe to prove shadows on the equinox don't follow a straight path on the equator, along with East/West shadows for sunrise and sunset for most latitudes. I don't think he ever did the physical modelling, or he did and realized he was incorrect.

[@citizen983]

@@Wolfie6020 Don't you just hate it when the technology gets destroyed? It's so painful to have to rebuild it! 😆

[@kaliban4758]

@@citizen983 if this is a remark about apollo, then the Ford Model T was fake, that tech was also destroyed

[@citizen983]

@@kaliban4758 It was a joke regarding the dog eating the model, sheesh! Sorry it needed explaining....

[@joeshmoe7967]

The lack of shadows looks erie! The sun is never that vertical where I live. Imagine believing the sun is tiny, close AND inside our atmosphere....LOL!

[@cuross01]

I was in Puerto Rico during one of these times. Walked outside and stopped because I was staring at the bollards in the parking lot. No shadows. Walked around it. Felt awkward, like I was in a video game that hadn't fully rendered yet

[@lanejenner71]

Any Flerf who clicks on this vid won't watch it because of that huge NASA logo on your telescope. Good work though.

[@crowxe]

Nice Landing and thanks for the video

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks crowxe.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

I always love this, it looks like a badly rendered video game. No shadows is a weird thing.

[@TheLargino]

No shadows is only weird if you didn't grow up experiencing them.

[@joeshmoe7967]

Erie is how I described it. Looks freaking seeing a parking lot full of poles, signs etc and not a single shadow. The sun is never that vertical where I live. 62 degrees max vertical

[@SwaaallaFE]

Ok, I mist steal that flight sun set video. its gold.

[@Masu_Stargazer]

Hi Wolfie6020, I was watching the PAPI lights during your landing and it reminded me of my PPL trainjng long long ago when the TVASIS system was being used. It seemed to me that the TVASIS was easier to use and more intuitive than the PAPI lights. So other than PAPI being cheaper and easier to set up than TVASIS do you have any idea why TVASIS was ditched in favor of PAPI especially when it was removed from runways that already had it installed?

[@Wolfie6020]

I don't know for sure but I suspect it comes back to being cheaper and easier to maintain. I used to like the TVASIS but can't remember the last time I used one. They have been phased out virtually everywhere.

[@argot4511]

Love your work

[@misterocain]

2:54 Hey Wolfie you cheat. Why isn't that mount moving at 1000 mph?

[@kevcroft2815]

You’re using NASA branded gear!!! Obviously on the NASA payroll as well. I trusted you Wolfie!

[@b0b5m1th]

I'm sure Gary Wybenga has a reasonable explanation for this...

[@billob4285]

Hello Rob, I'll be your waiter today. I see you have ordered the wybenga Word Salad, not a popular choice, but to each his own.

[@b0b5m1th]

@@billob4285 could I have extra nonsense with my word salad please?

[@billob4285]

@@b0b5m1th a very good pairing, would you like that on the side or tossed in with the main salad?

[@b0b5m1th]

@@billob4285 chuck it all in, with a side of incredulity please.

[@Katy_Jones]

@@b0b5m1th Would sir wish to go with the traditional salty tear dressing?

[@erikz1337]

The plane has more cameras than a Tesla! Nice views

[@AfrikanAdventures]

Where is Banjo comments….

[@qcontinuum514]

I like level horizontal planes. 😆

[@adi8216]

The problem is, the flerfs agree that "no shadow" is possible with their imaginary local sun; however, they deny that the sun's path over the equator is straight during an equinox, so someone who lives at or near zero degrees latitude should make a time-lapse of the shadows.

[@markcaesar4443]

Wolfie, could you do an explainer video on "Wave Drag" and wy that essentially gives a speed limit of under the speed of sound to commercial flights? If you remember, I posited that it might be more efficient flying at higher speeds against a prevailing wind but you never really explained why it wouldn't be. Wave Drag is the answer to that.

[@Wolfie6020]

Hi Mark, I don't clearly recall your earlier post but yes definitely there can be more efficiency flying at higher speeds into a head wind. The concept is that you spend less time in the head wind. Conversely it is more efficient to fly slower in a tail wind. You spend more time in the tail wind so get more benefit from it.

[@markcaesar4443]

@@Wolfie6020 I referred to Tail Drag before. After our previous conversation where I put forward the idea of flyig at higher speeds into a headwind to gain efficiency, you said that basically pilots flew at a constant windspeed because that was more efficient. I looked into it a bit and found that there is a phenomenon that occurs at "supersonic" speeds called Wave Drag. Apparently this causes a wind disturbance/disruption behind the aircraft with dramatically increases the drag on said aircraft. The article I saw said that while it is certainly possible to fly at supersonic speeds, the drop in efficiency makes it not commercially viable. So even though aircraft have increased in power, the effective "speed limit" of the aircraft is just under the speed of sound. The article also referred to the Concorde and how inefficient it really was. Apparently that was one of the biggest factors in the decommissioning of the Concorde.

[@mikevigil1904]

Really cool video. You should do a collab with Scimandan lol

[@tubedude54]

Wondering what the symbol on that sign at 1:12 represents. I've never seen that here in the states. Like those wheel cams... think every airplane should have them. I've also wondered why they don't put some fins on wheels to 'spin them up' to match ground speed as you land so your not burning rubber. Seems tires would last longer...

[@mikep9604]

That sign means 'Speed bumps.'

[@mikecrownshaw1646]

The camera mount is a paid NASA shill

[@lucvador2025]

Merci Wolfie 😎

[@Doctor1933]

Good one my friend I was the same thinking flat earth is nonsense

[@davidnievesjr.9478]

Those POV shots of the plane flying are awesome! How did you affix the cameras all around the aircraft like that?

[@youdie309]

Today's cars have available surround view cameras, so why not a multi-million $ aircraft?

[@mikep9604]

The Global 7500 is equipped with an external camera system.

[@AztroNut66]

Nice views of the approach and landing. I'm trying to figure out to which airport... doesn't look like Darwin. Any hints without giving it away? :)

[@Wolfie6020]

North of Darwin, South of the Equator... An island.

[@fromnorway643]

@@Wolfie6020 Bathurst Island Airport?

[@AztroNut66]

@@Wolfie6020 Domine Eduard Osok airport in Sorong (SOQ) (WASS) Runway 27

[@joecooksey4331]

About time you showed up!

[@Wolfie6020]

Hey Joe, I have so busy flying lately, some 16 hour days with four sectors. Got a nice break coming up after this trip.

[@joecooksey4331]

@@Wolfie6020 I figured you have been pretty busy. I'm still trying to figure out why when I take the scope out of hibernation at 4 am and tell it to point to the sun... it points to the ground. I may have to send the mount in for repairs. LOL

[@Trevor_Austin]

I’m envious. Why don’t more aircraft have external cameras with internal displays? They allow you to have a far better view of what is going on around your aircraft during ground handling operations. You’ll still have to send your First Officer out (when it’s pissing with rain) to do a pre-flight but at least you can keep an eye on other things.

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

Question. Since part of Australia is within the tropics, are there certain times of the year and locations that the sun rises/sets vertically? (I know that's the case close to the equator, but I don't know about North Australia.) If so, that would make a nice video. And let FE'ers try explain that.

[@paulpurdue5963]

You do mean directly overhead, so that happens at noon when the Sun's rays are vertical. If you mean at the Vernal and autumnal equinox then the rays of the sun rise vertically directly east to set directly west.

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

@@paulpurdue5963 I didn't mean just at the equinox at the equator, but does a vertical sunrise/sunset also happen away from the equator but still within the tropics?

[@paulpurdue5963]

@@Yehan-xt7cw once a year when the Sun rises 23.5° north to reach the tropic of cancer them once 6 months at 23.5° South at the tropic of Capricorn. But in between, a seen on Wolfie's video this would happen twice a year anywhere between the Tropic's, but never north or south of the Tropics.

[@muzikgod]

@@Yehan-xt7cw Just so you're aware. Paul is a reality denier, believes the earth doesn't rotate.

[@dmasters5438]

@@Yehan-xt7cw wrote "I didn't mean just at the equinox at the equator, but does a vertical sunrise/sunset also happen away from the equator but still within the tropics?" I'm quite sure vertical sunrise and sunset can happen on the equator at the equinox only. It cannot happen anywhere else in between the tropics as we can see in Wolfie's video where the sunrise and sunset angles are bit south. Hence the "plane" is slightly tilted. In other words not vertical.

[@studentjohn]

Thank you for the video! Can I suggest a flat earth youtuber who might benefit from some (genuinely) constructive commentary? Dwayne Kellum. He launches weather balloons, and they claim these show the horizon doesn't drop - but these videos are bouncing up, down, left, right, have no reference point, and you can see new features coming into view over the horizon. I believe he's well meant, but he doesn't know what he's meant to be looking for in the first place.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Wow. And to think they did this prediction using Globe Math. Also, the Sun is directly above Darwin at Noon, but then moves South before setting. The Flat Earth Sun must have a severe case of the Wobbles.

[@DAllan-lz3lg]

Love the NASA camera case 😂😂😂 These moments are pure karma for the flerfs, they scatter like beetles

[@tjjones621]

You misspelled NASHA...

[@donniev8181]

I do not see many flat earthers anymore but when I do, I tell them the sun rises in the east and sets in the west for absolutely everyone! They usually disappear after hearing this.

[@wfemp_4730]

A flat Earther would say all those posts are not plumb, all tilted in the same orientation. LOL

[@shegocrazy]

Good Guys giving you a free fridge for the promo Wolfie? Will go well with the monthly NASA shill stipend LoL. Meanwhile Adam reflects on the flat horizon from his crane cabin.

[@Wolfie6020]

Poor Adam is one of the few who actually thinks Flat Earth is real. Dubay scammed him well and truly.

[@jbirdmax]

Flat Earth has become such a ridiculous meme by now, that it’s becoming boring and more annoying than funny anymore. But it’s still better than watching the negatively charged Karen and sovereign citizen videos.

[@freddan6fly]

I actually discussed with a flerfer on ModernDayDebate on one of the latest "Witless don't get it"'s debate that the GEM works on flat earth with vanishing point and perspective.

[@Wolfie6020]

They claim it works but when you ask for a model demonstrating the geometry they go quiet or run. We can model it easily on the Globe. Flat Earthers struggled to see why it can't work on a Flat Earth.

[@arctic_haze]

So if we lived on a flat earth with no vertical pressure gradient, you could use a baloon to fly all the way to the sun. I wonder why no flerfie tries that.

[@fromnorway643]

Indeed! One cubic metre (m³) of _any_ material near sea level has a buoyancy of about 1.2 kg because that’s the weight of 1 m³ of air at 20°C (colder air is denser). The easiest way to understand this may be by imagining a 1 x 1 x 1 m cube with each side 1 square metre (m²). The pressure at its top is 1.2 kg less than at its bottom because the height of the column of air at the top pushing down is 1 metre less. As long as that cube is heavier than 1.2 kg (i.e. has higher density than air) it will not float because the pressure difference between its top and bottom is less than its weight. However, the weight of one cubic metre of _helium_ is only 165 grams, so its net lifting force in air is just over 1 kg when that helium’s own weight is subtracted and the material of its container is ignored.

[@arctic_haze]

@Q Branch And what causes the pressure gradient without gravity or acceleration?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

You could however use an aircraft.

[@arctic_haze]

@Q Branch I know real physics being a physicist. But I am surprised a flat earther admits gravity exists. You must be a heretic

[@arctic_haze]

@Q Branch So I need to revalue your claim that pressure gradient causes buoyancy. I still think you are wrong. Both are caused by gravity ( or acceleration which locally is the same). Correlation is nit causation and here both are simply proportional to g.

[@darrenwilliams414]

Won't be long until some fluff uses this video saying it proves the earth is flat

[@emdok]

I have yet to see a flat earther who will "just look at the basic geometry." Nice try though. ;)

[@mikecrownshaw1646]

They can't science

[@kylie_h1978]

@@mikecrownshaw1646 Sure they can. After all, all you need to do is put on a lab coat and say "Scientific Method" loudly a whole lot of times, and hey presto, Science!

[@itsikcarmona9845]

Wolfie. Are you tired of trying to persuade flat Earthers that Earth is a globe 🌍🌎. I am tired of it.

[@Wolfie6020]

I am always happy to help people who are looking for the truth but anyone still thinking the Earth is flat is beyond help. If they can't understand why the EQ mount proves the Earth cannot flat then I just feel sorry for them now. Clearly they fail at basic geometry.

[@AnotherKentPaul]

At midday, of course the shadow is vertical.. When the sun is close and straight up your head at that time.

[@nineoclockhero]

There are some entertaining flat earthers. Just a pity most are being conned for cash. I hope that giving simple explanations would at the very least make someone think twice before giving there money away. 👍🏻

[@my2cents75]

Once again you made the claim that your EQ mount would track the sun from horizon to horizon at 15ﾟ per hour. Once again I will remind you that it fails at the horizon.

[@Wolfie6020]

No it does not fail at all Gary. Once again you just tell lies. Can you show me a physical model explaining every aspect of the EQ mount on a Flat Earth? Don't bother with excuses. That just proves you cannot do it. We did it easily with the Globe... ho hum.

[@jaimevivesp]

"Once again I will remind you that it fails at the horizon." So you admit it works 99% of the time... well, now explain to us how that is possible with a sun circling above and only 1 axis of rotation. We are waiting...

[@fromnorway643]

There is _one_ place that an EQ mount would work on a flat earth, but if you went there, you would need thick clothes and probably a rifle for protection against polar bears. 😄

[@my2cents75]

@Q Branch then what's the reason the sun doesn't go down when the mount does

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@my2cents75 refraction being the strongest towards the horizon causes some compression, your problem that until then it is perfectly tracked, therefore debunking the flat earth cult.

[@AnotherKentPaul]

NASA Nerd alert! You tell "that's enough flat earth in here".. And in your video (from 4:42 and ongoing) you can clearly see the sun moving further and further away instead of "setting" as you tell. Thank you for nothing. NASA sticker on a camera. You outed yourself.

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

lol you're a sucker

[@mohammedaldossari48]

This is not true..

[@Wolfie6020]

Which part?

[@mohammedaldossari48]

@@kirkhamandy it is not full stop.. are you English teacher.. ?

[@cuross01]

@@mohammedaldossari48 what is not true?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@mohammedaldossari48 ellipses are three (3) dots... (like this ...) As per your comment, please elaborate.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@mohammedaldossari48 The sun is fake?

[@paulpurdue5963]

Wolfie's Darwin observation would be identical when viewed from the Earth Centered Earth Fixed (ECEF) philosophical view, as it must be considered one's belief because there is no definitive proof that the Earth rotated to the position of 12°26'17"S with the Sun directly overhead. It can not be denied that it can be the universe has actually revolved and not the Earth.

[@entangledmindcells9359]

yes.. its a possibility.. Problem is that you need to develop a whole new physics to describe how that is possible. That is why this observation is just a validation of current science and the Globe and not proof.. But it is the best description until a better description comes along. Making the claim but actually showing how it would actual work are two different things.

[@paulpurdue5963]

@@entangledmindcells9359 "develop a whole new physics to describe how that is possible" The whole new physics is the same as the old physics as invented by Reńe Descartes known as the Cartesian coordinate system used by astronomers to predict, measure distance for astronomical objects in 3D X,Y, and Z axes, known as Geocentric distance equation R=(X²+Y²+Z²), this is the same spatial reference system used for the Global position system (GPS). "Making the claim but actually showing how it would actual work are two different things" As shown above, the ECEF system is the simplest demonstration of the universe that there is, there is no need for 48 epicycles as is needed with the Copernicus System.

[@muzikgod]

@@paulpurdue5963 Get a life and troll elsewhere. You've openly admitted that you never accept any evidence that goes against your beliefs. Btw, I read your reply to someone on this channel, and it's hilarious as you self debunk your nonsense, f'ing priceless!

[@paulpurdue5963]

@@muzikgod your comments are not showing up on the thread. Did you delete your comments ?

[@muzikgod]

@@paulpurdue5963 No nutter, are you really this clueless as to how KZbin behaves? It's been like this for almost an entire year now!!

[@EmersumBiggins]

New Wolfie video 🙂👍

[@jaykay9286]

I haven't found one intellectually honest glober understand that celestial phenomena nor flight plans are proof of a globe. When will you folks become intelligent and broaden your understanding?

[@tjjones621]

What about the map you use for turn by turn directions? We all use the exact same one no matter where we live. When will flerfs be honest about their own trusted map?

[@sissyfus6181]

"You have never sailed the ocean without using instrumemts.. I have." So what did YOU do exactly. What passages did YOU do without instruments? Where to where. Detail how you navigated. Otherwise you are LIAR.

[@sissyfus6181]

There are fewer than half a dozen people who have mastered the art of wayfinding, navigating as the ancient Polynesians. YOU are most definitely NOT one of them (way too dumb). Now go ask Nainoa Thompson if he is a flat earther. You lied. You NEVER were able to navigate the ocean without using instruments. L-I-A-R.

[@sissyfus6181]

"want me to name everyone involved on the crew?" Wow, you REALLY don't want to answer question do you? That was not the question. Answer the question. Or admit that you can't navigate without instruments. Hell, I know you can't navigate WITH instruments. Now go clean the barnacles off the hull.

[@sissyfus6181]

"Polynesian voyagers have navigated without instruments for centuries.." Not the point. YOU said YOU could do it. YOU could navigate without instruments. YOU can't !!!!! YOU lied. And you started all your spamming posts writing about intellectual honesty. How honest are you? L I A R.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

Wait, did the earth start moving underneath your plane? Did your gyroscope deviate as you flew straight and level? Did you measure curvature? Did you figure out how to have gas pressure w/o a container? Sorry, but it’s your Globe Earth Religion that’s foolish, and those are just a few reasons.

[@cuross01]

Are you assuming that level must be straight? What about the people who have measured curvature? Are you assuming that the atmosphere must have some physical, tangible, can be interacted with container?

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Yawn. Like you're going to reply.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@cuross01 First thing first, being that you’re a GlobeHead, you must realize that you’re not very smart. Second, there is no curvature, understand? It’s really very simple, you need curvature but it doesn’t exist. Also, there’s no motion either. Globe Earth is a Religion Fool.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Hey what’s up dummy. You still on your knees at the altar of Globe Earth Religion?

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@cuross01 Hey dummy, level is straight. Ohh wait, you’re a GlobeHead, you think level is curved. Haha 😂 Stupid GlobeHeads.

[@jaykay9286]

I haven't found one intellectually honest glober understand that celestial phenomena nor flight plans are proof of a globe. When will you folks become intelligent and broaden your understanding?

[@tjjones621]

What about the map you use for turn by turn directions? We all use the exact same one no matter where we live. When will flerfs be honest about their own trusted map?

[@sissyfus6181]

"You have never sailed the ocean without using instrumemts.. I have." So what did YOU do exactly. What passages did YOU do without instruments? Where to where. Detail how you navigated. Otherwise you are LIAR.

[@sissyfus6181]

There are fewer than half a dozen people who have mastered the art of wayfinding, navigating as the ancient Polynesians. YOU are most definitely NOT one of them (way too dumb). Now go ask Nainoa Thompson if he is a flat earther. You lied. You NEVER were able to navigate the ocean without using instruments. L-I-A-R.

[@sissyfus6181]

"want me to name everyone involved on the crew?" Wow, you REALLY don't want to answer question do you? That was not the question. Answer the question. Or admit that you can't navigate without instruments. Hell, I know you can't navigate WITH instruments. Now go clean the barnacles off the hull.

[@sissyfus6181]

"Polynesian voyagers have navigated without instruments for centuries.." Not the point. YOU said YOU could do it. YOU could navigate without instruments. YOU can't !!!!! YOU lied. And you started all your spamming posts writing about intellectual honesty. How honest are you? L I A R.

[@jaykay9286]

I haven't found one intellectually honest glober understand that celestial phenomena nor flight plans are proof of a globe. When will you folks become intelligent and broaden your understanding?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Simple geometry already debunks any shape OTHER than the globe.

[@tjjones621]

What about the map you use for turn by turn directions? We all use the exact same one no matter where we live. When will flerfs be honest about their own trusted map?

[@sissyfus6181]

"You have never sailed the ocean without using instrumemts.. I have." So what did YOU do exactly. What passages did YOU do without instruments? Where to where. Detail how you navigated. Otherwise you are LIAR.

[@jaykay9286]

@@sissyfus6181 same thing Polynesian voyagers did without the use of GPS centuries ago....not that hard to go research it . Man you guys are lazy

[@sissyfus6181]

@@jaykay9286 "same thing Polynesian voyagers did without the use of GPS centuries ago....not that hard to go research it . Man you guys are lazy" NO! You did NOT answer. The question was what did YOU do? That's "YOU" not some bulshit you read on the webz. YOU are a L-I-A-R. You didn't do NOTHIN' Try leaving mummy's basement and go OUTSIDE you lying sack of shit. You probably can't even surf, phocking wanker.

[@jaykay9286]

I haven't found one intellectually honest glober understand that celestial phenomena nor flight plans are proof of a globe. When will you folks become intelligent and broaden your understanding?

[@drosophilamelanogaster4262]

Did you have a mental breakdown? You obviously had something going on already but the realization of not having any evidence for your delusion must have pushed you over the edge. Figuratively speaking. As the earth is not flat.

[@drosophilamelanogaster4262]

Can you see how childish you are? You came here to argue, lost miserably and started cranking. Btw, photo of the dome?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Yet another thread. Direct measurements and photographs of the globe exist, why do they scare you?

[@mikep9604]

Jay Kay - You could have easily found photos of the globe yourself. For example, this photo: as17-148-22742. This photo shows the globe. It was taken in 1972 with a camera that uses photographic film. It's a single frame.

[@James_Randis_Spirit]

You are the dishonest one here. Ignoring all facts, evading every question and deleting your thread when exposed as a liar. What a coward you are.

[@jaykay9286]

I haven't found one intellectually honest glober understand that celestial phenomena nor flight plans are proof of a globe. When will you folks become intelligent and broaden your understanding?

[@muzikgod]

Deleting threads won't save you. All screen captured and reported to KZbin, enjoy your account while it lasts! :)

[@mikep9604]

You don't understand that if the sun is moving above a flat plane (flat earth) its daily path is not the same as what we now see in reality. The path of the sun disproves the existence of a flat earth.

[@jaykay9286]

@@muzikgod wow. I didn't know you were so threatened 🤣🤣🤣

[@muzikgod]

@@jaykay9286 Not threatened at all coward. You have to make up shit just to satisfy those delusional thoughts of yours, cry more you fucking baby! 👶

[@jaykay9286]

@@mikep9604 no. You don't understand. The path of the sun says otherwise. Only a zenith sun happens within the tropics. There are no other places on earth , except IN BETWEEN the tropics, where at a certain point in the day casts NO SHADOW. It happens twice a year if you live within the tropic of cancer and capricorn. If you live outside of the tropics, the phenomena of the sun casting no shadow will never happen. This phenomena is clear evidence of our light source (the sun) being closer than said "93 million miles" away from us. So now that we established the pathway of the sun (within the tropics)... The axial tilt is said 23.5° The reason that is given to us for seasons. This is not the truth. When the sun is above the equator it is winter in the south. The summer solstice is when the sun has reached the tropics of cancer and can't go any farther. And same for winter solstice. If it's summer in Hawai'i it's winter for new Zealand. Here's the kicker... The degree of latitude for both tropics? 23.5° The same degree which is given for the "tilt" of the globe. What a coincidence. Btw, a scientist discovered that the sun can't be gaseous and that it's plasma. So yeah. There's that