State Bicycle All Road Bike Review - $799 Gravel Bike!

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[@MrRelmonte]

Thanks! Just ordered mine.

[@mstark77]

Your pillow was supple side up. Lol. Good review.

[@richardking3681]

Great review, thanks-

[@Ballistic641]

FINALLY A REVIEW

[@matthewoppen1602]

Im really liking how state specced this bike out

[@himurarith]

Thanks for the review. I WANT!

[@CraigEngstrom1]

The should've stuck with the Gravel Kings. But this is a bike I'll def recommend to people looking for a budget all-rounder. Excellent review!

[@l00tur]

GKs are pricey and I’m sure they couldn’t keep getting wholesale pricing

[@DonOblivious]

@@l00tur That's what I thought when I saw they changed the tires on the second release. Something to keep in mind though is that Panaracer may not be in a position to supply enough tires to meet State's timeframe. Panaracer makes great tires but their business practices leave something to be desired. Their marketing seems nearly entirely word of mouth and you should probably just order them online instead of spending tons of time to find a local dealer.

[@FortheLoveofCycling]

this is nice. this will help me decide. thank you.

[@l00tur]

The gravel daddy poop walls are an amazing tire. I have them on my 2017 Specialized Crux and it’s damn difficult to go to a different tire unless you’re looking to dig trenches into local trails (which you shouldn’t be doing because that’s bad news bears). Nice overview of the bike, I was looking to suggest this to a friend and this solidifies that it’s a good first bike.

[@LockedinCycling]

InCahoots 🤣😂 pooop walls

[@DonOblivious]

This is my first brifter bike and I've gotta agree with Mike that it's really easy to get used to the shifting if you haven't used anything else. I certainly don't feel like I'm missing out by not having another little lever to shift gears.

[@leinie2317]

Great review!

[@LockedinCycling]

Lei NIE thanks!

[@richardlayus3543]

Got it thanks

[@Nick-cs5yc]

I tried to buy one some yrs ago, they refused to sell me a bike, but had no trouble trying to keep my money!!

[@emceeaye]

Thank you, what a great detailed review of the relevant points. I like the idea of getting this bike for it's versatility. 1) Being able to swap out wheel sets: I'm mostly a paved road rider up and down hilly streets, but sometimes would like to take it on gravel fire-roads or single tracks. 2) Get 11-46 cassette in a back for lower gearing and whatever chain ring in the front makes sense for me). 3) Change out brakes for a hydromechanical setup (Winn R1s or the TRP HYRDs). 4) put on a rear rack for a child seat for my 2-year-old. But, I'm noticing that the largest frame size ("Large") is 55 cm size. I'm thinking that will be a problem since I'm 6'3", inseam=34.6" and arm-length= 29". So, are there some other bikes with a good versatile base that have a larger frames that can accommodate my height (60 cm or 61 cm)? Thank you in advance. Lee

[@LockedinCycling]

Do they not have a x large? I’d say worst case get a longer stem, I’m 511 and ran it slammed

[@plepgeat]

I'm six-six with a 36" inseam and fir well on a 64cm Specialized Diverge.

[@jadestar411]

Now I need to decide between the 6180 and the 4130. You've sold me on State Allroad. I'm primarily commuting on a bike path but want off road capabilities and something that's not drudgery to pedal.

[@jadestar411]

Sorry. 6061. Not sure where I came up with 6180.

[@scruf153]

great for commuting

[@americantroy77]

Thank you

[@b5thomas7]

Really cool for State to include thru-axles, lots of mounts, 1x groupset, and dual wheelset options on such an affordable bike. You'd never get something like this from a bigger brand.

[@BruceChastain]

true

[@DonOblivious]

Bigger brands aren't willing to deal with unproven Chinese groupsets and buying from Shimano eats up a lot of the bigger brand's budgets. The bikes I saw in this price range while shopping usually had 2x8 Claris. State also uses the same handlebar for every size I think, which is a bit cramped for huge guys like me and probably too wide for the XS bikes. I really like how it shifts, so far, but time will tell how well it holds up. It's cheap to replace with a new Sensah set and it's also compatible with SRAM levers and derailleurs so I'm not terribly worried about it.

[@BruceChastain]

I can dig it. Personally I'd like is 36t in front. Also maybe they could give us hydraulic disks with a 9 or 10 speed for same price? or is that too much of a jump?

[@LockedinCycling]

HACK AND RIDE BIKES I’d say a brake upgrade would be simpler

[@justincarlton4807]

650b with WTB Horizons

[@eyygurke6081]

Excellent

[@christopherpackart]

I just found this bike thinking about getting it for a winter commuter instead of my road bike.

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea it be great for that

[@sethgreenlund5065]

Great review! It will be interesting to see how the groupset holds up over time. There's a little bit of play on my derailleur that has caused some ghost shifting. Overall it's really nice though. I was also hoping that the left brake had the guts in it to go 2x. It appears to be empty and will only act as a brake. Also worth noting, the 43cm XS size only has one set of bottle mounts. I'm guessing they couldn't fit one on the seat tube without giving up some seat post length.

[@LockedinCycling]

seth greenlund yea I’ll be doing a group set review in a week or so. Good information on th xs frame

[@calvinmiguel4405]

How tall are you and how do you like the fit? I'm 5'6'' and am considering the purchasing the frameset in either an XS or S. Leaning towards the XS because I come from a road background and like a more aggressive set up.

[@sethgreenlund5065]

@@calvinmiguel4405 I'm 5'6 with about a 29-in inseam. I'm really glad I went with the XS. I even had to put a shorter stem on to be a little more upright for touring.

[@markconnelly1806]

All derailleurs have play. Ghost shifting is not from the derailleur. It is usually caused by frame flex, shifter cable tension or the shifter..

[@MrRay645]

@@sethgreenlund5065 thank you! I was waffling on what size we needed for my 5'5" wife.... geo (and purpose) are just so different form her 3t Exploro I was having a hard time deciding between small/extra small.

[@allroy71]

I feel like I've been to this trail. Where did you ride?

[@RayMorada]

What was the other hydro mechanical disc calipers you mentioned other than the TRP HY/RD's?

[@LockedinCycling]

RC51rydr juin r1s

[@TimothyJamesOng]

I’d love to see you review Marin Nicasio Plus and Salsa Journeyman 650 Claris and let us know how it compares to the State.

[@LockedinCycling]

Timothy James Ong tag them on Instagram and say you want me to! It helps me out when I reach out to them.

[@95cv95]

Which is better suited for a 6 '6 rider this or the Posideon X . Great review as usual

[@LockedinCycling]

95cv95 I believe this in large has a taller stack so handlbars will be taller , but you will probably need a longer stem

[@TheBtotheetothen]

How did you like this bike compared to the Poseidon X?

[@endianAphones]

I was looking for a review of that Sensah SRX Pro groupset. I saw on their official (??????) youtube channel that they're working on an hydraulic version.

[@LockedinCycling]

Tiago shoot me a link! I’m working on the full review of the groupset still, if you subscribe you will see it soon!

[@endianAphones]

@@LockedinCycling kzbin.info/door/TvJfu7nEc38sVZqjG_0fPQ it doesn't look very official, but that guy clearly works for them from his replies

[@juniorbrainard8302]

Who would you recommend get this bike, as opposed to the Poseidon X (I also watched your review of that)? The Poseidon X seems to have much lower handlebars and is a couple of pounds lighter.

[@LockedinCycling]

This is something I offer to my paterons monthly or for single sessions, since Id wanna learn more about you and your needs before suggesting which would be best. DM me on instagram if your interested, since its not a simple answer.

[@carravagio16]

could you comment on the sizing of the frame and what you are riding? i found their website sizing to be a bit strange, thank you in advance

[@LockedinCycling]

Carravagio16 I Have a medium I’m 5’11 with about 30.5 stand over height, I’m all torso, I’d probably go one stem length longer at minimum. That’s usually what I have to do for most bikes

[@dwmedic07]

I saw a video interview with Mehdi Farsi where he was talking about the 4130 all road and he said they were planning on releasing 2 carbon forks for this bike. One was a racing fork without all the braz-ons and then one with all the braz-ons and wider tire clearance. This should reduce the weight for those who are worried about it.

[@LockedinCycling]

dwmedic07 I’ll have to check that out! I must have missed that.

[@dwmedic07]

@@LockedinCycling The video is here on KZbin. The channel is called cycling racing lifestyle it was about a month ago and about 19:00 minutes in when he talks about the new forks.

[@DonOblivious]

@@dwmedic07 Thanks for pointing out that interview. It was informative and I never would have seen it if you hadn't brought it up. Also worth mentioning: they plan on releasing a "higher tier" Allroad made of 6061 aluminum with a carbon fork "with a geometry more geared towards going fast than comfort."

[@mosheanidjar4642]

good review....can you recommend a site to buy parts on line

[@LockedinCycling]

Honestly right now you just have to search since parts are scarce with covid, I’m having same issue ordering parts for new build from a bunch of sites

[@yamdrew]

Would you say this is a decent frame to build off of at $400? Paired with some midrange/hand built wheels, carbon fork, SRAM or Shimano hydro brakes?

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea it’s comfy, it’s gonna weigh a lot but you can now upgrade to the carbon fork option

[@taylorkrumroy2756]

I can't decide. Continue the purchase for my Framed Basswood that is now on backorder until November OR go with this State All-Road with the carbon fork addition on it. Both come out to the same price. Basswood has TRP Spyre brakes, the All-Road needs better brakes. Basswood has Apex 1 derailleur, the All-Road has it's own branded one. I can't decide what to do. Then there's the case of the Redwood being set up with 650x47 Gravelking SS + tires and forcing that to be more road oriented since I'm about 70/30 Road/short cut through paths and the such. I'm torn between all three. Not sure if I should just hold out and wait for the Basswood or get one of the other two asap.

[@gavin7390]

Same, but for me, I can't decide between the Poseidon X or the All-Road

[@taylorkrumroy2756]

Welp, I bought the X this summer and rode it for a month or so before selling it. It’s a great starter bike, but if you’re into biking already you will want something else. The QuickRelease wheels suck to change. The wheels aren’t and can’t be setup tubeless. The tires are the heaviest tires I’ve ever felt. And those brakes, they need to be changed. I ended up selling the X and bought a used 2022 Kona Jake the Snake and am so happy I did so. It rides worlds better. I’d say skip the poseidon and go either Framed, State, or AllCity

[@gavin7390]

@@taylorkrumroy2756 the X seems pretty aggressive too. The State is more comfortable and upright apparently. I've also been looking at Kona bikes but shipping is so expensive. My total came out to be around $940 I think when I added the Kona Dew Plus to my cart. They make great bikes though

[@WakizashiSabre]

I wonder what is exact bike weight... Nice review tho.

[@williamlebron9873]

Did anybody notice the thorn piercing thru the nob on the tire @ 1:07?

[@LockedinCycling]

William Lebron yea I noticed that after the upload, it actually didn’t pierce the casing it literally only went through the knob.

[@vp3093]

whats the weight?

[@phillipkern229]

Do you think you could fit the grx 2x on there?

[@tubesockets120v]

Seat tube has no derailleur front mount.

[@leoblue74]

Hi. I am about 5’ 10” and 31.5 inseam. Do you think medium will fit me well? I am little concerned about the standover height.

[@LockedinCycling]

I’m 511 and similar inseam

[@therealSIRBOOM]

What is the gearset comparable to? Is it just a rebranded Apex 1? We need to know that and State refuses to be clear about it.

[@LockedinCycling]

Watch my sensah review I talk more about it

[@sames1012]

Could this bike also be appropriate for thinner road tires to do triathlons or longer road riding? I'm not a competitive racer by any means, but I'd like to try to have one bike to do it all. This seems like it's pretty close

[@LockedinCycling]

I’d just run the 700c tire setup it comes with , dropping size slightly won’t make huge difference for the Tri and you save the money haa

[@markconnelly1806]

With the right wheels, tires, and proper bike position, any 700c bike can be used for all types of road riding. Triathletes use aero bars /attachments with arm rests, so the top tube length has to be correct for that set up.

[@tailswinsmore5054]

Didn't hear anything about braking, I only peddled one a few hundred feet but they felt uncomfortable. Anyone have experience?

[@LockedinCycling]

The brakes are ok but yea most mechanical disk brake bikes will be lacking , best upgrade for the money is compression less housing it helps a ton

[@Nicky_Pin_It]

I'm 5'9", would you recommend small or medium? anyone in the same size range and care to chime in?

[@LockedinCycling]

Medium

[@jedl1247]

cool review! glad I came by your channel while looking for more affordable gravel bikes. Do you have any other recommendations in around the sub $1200 range? Preferably steel but I'm not totally set on it. Only reason the State isn't an instant buy for me is the groupset and the iffy reviews on the sensah srx pro version, especially the peoples experiences with a weak clutch and long throw before you actually get the second click on the lever.

[@b5thomas7]

Nicasio + is similar, but it has Microshift Advent 9 speed.

[@cjohnson3836]

I think you're going to have a hard time finding something price competitive to this. Everything is going to have a compromise somewhere. Other options in similar prices are compromising more permanent fixtures (like the frame/fork mounting options). I'd rather compromise on consumables that will be replaced anyways (that drive train/brakes) Salsa Journeyman? $1200 for Sora 9spd groupset or sub 1k for Claris 8spd. Has a carbon fork. Sensah at the price is going to have better range but if you don't want to risk it... Nicasio+ (if you can find one) is sub $1k with MicroShift Advent 9. MicroShift just released a new update on the Advent 9 and hopefully next years Nicasio+ will be running the new make. Poseidon was pre-ordering for 2021 but I think its closed now. Microshift Advent X and nice price at $700 but most suspect wheels. None of these are steel and I think you'd have a hard time finding a good steel frame new at this price. Maybe check facebook marketplace. If you're a non-normal size (exp XS/SM/XL), I'm seeing Salsa Fargo's going for under $1500

[@jedl1247]

@@cjohnson3836 Thanks for the rundown! I think I'm going to take the chance with the State bike. Especially since the used market is all out of whack at the moment.

[@b5thomas7]

Not steel, but the 2019/2020 Cannondale Topstone (Sora groupset, with thru-axles and Promax brakes) is a great deal at $1050. The newest version looks like its $1250 now, but it's the same bike.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@jedl1247 You might contact State to get a more detailed component spec. From what I can tell online it looks like its the Sensah Empire, so its a BSA bottom bracket. If that's the case, it would make upgrading the drive train simpler. There's lots of 1x crank options for BSA bottom brackets. And 11spd (or wide range 10spd) cassettes/cranks are dropping in price since the big manufacturers have moved on to their new 12speed standards (which aren't cross compatible with non-12spd components). And that its 11 speed standard means that you're not locked into a frankenbike hodgepodge of mixed components that are going to require complete overhaul if you wish to upgrade 1 component. That's the problem with a lot of these lower price point entry bikes, 8spd road standard requires complete overhaul if you want to go up to a 10+

[@61tree_VR_Gliding]

Have you tried the 6061 black label all-road?

[@LockedinCycling]

3Daddicted that just got released today 😂😂 so as of now no I haven’t, but I will get a review unit ASAP, they are selling so well it’s hard for them to even get me one.

[@61tree_VR_Gliding]

@@LockedinCycling Cool, thanks, I didn't realize it was just released.

[@kevinjordan3289]

Do you get toe overlap? My State singlespeed has horrible toe overlap.

[@LockedinCycling]

Zero with this geometry is way different then single speed

[@theresapula1158]

How about frame size? I’m 5’6”

[@LockedinCycling]

I’d consult there recommendation for sizing

[@ENZOmcNUGGETS]

I'm a little confused with states sizing. I'm 5'6 1/2 but not quite sure to get the XS or S frame size? Since the XS frame size fits 5'1 - 5'6 but the S fits 5'5 - to 5'10. Do you recommend sizing down or just get the slightly larger frame?

[@signamigo]

That's a great question. I'm the same height and wondered the same thing. State does recommend sizing down, so I ordered the XS. It get's here Wednesday so I'll let you know how it feels.

[@ENZOmcNUGGETS]

@@signamigo please do! I wouldnt want to regret ordering the wrong size 😂

[@signamigo]

@@ENZOmcNUGGETS Just an update. I got my bike and took it for my first ride this morning. The XS size is perfect! I wouldn't want it any larger. Go for it, it's a nice bike.

[@ENZOmcNUGGETS]

@@signamigo excellent!! Appreciate the tip ✌🏽

[@markconnelly1806]

You buy a bike by top tube length. If you have a long torso, you may prefer a longer top tube, but arm length is also a factor. Longer top tube and shorter stem handles slightly differently than a short top tube and long stem given the position is the same.

[@peterbaskind9872]

Interesting. Yes; a single piston mechanical brake is just not appropriate, but can be upgraded. I would be a little cautious of the Sensah drivetrain. I have seen a very comprehensive review which indicated that the shifting was good; but the shifter was fatally delicate. A particular part that takes the full force of the shift was injection-molded plastic, as opposed to the metal found in main line competitors. It failed catastrophically after only moderate use. That would ruin a ride. Nonetheless, it is exciting that interesting bikes are getting affordable. Your buddy, Spindatt, reviewed a new Poseidon this morning in the same general category. It looks great and includes MicroShift AdventX. No price point yet.

[@LockedinCycling]

Peter Baskind yea I saw that review which was the road version of this group, and I believe the shifter that failed was the front derailleur shifter and had no issue with the rear derailleur shifter. I’ll be doing a review of it in a week or so along, I’ll see if I can tell if this shifter has that same plastic piece.

[@nmcheese]

Another thing that has been rumored is that an Apex 11 speed shifter will index this derailleur.

[@LockedinCycling]

Nicholas Maslow yea if I ever find a deal or a subscriber has a spare sram shifter they would let me borrow/have, id love to try that! It be a great budget mullet option

[@KarloBituin]

@@LockedinCycling Hello, did you eventually figure out if the unit you reviewed had the plastic part in the shifter? Thank you.

[@markconnelly1806]

The shift to 1x makes no sense for bikes that go up long climbs. Front derailleurs and an extra alloy chainring weigh nothing. I would put a 2x on it. The difference between 10 and 11 speed is nothing to worry about as it is the lowest gear size that matters. If the lowest two gears work for the hilliest terrain, that is all you need.

[@LeoInterHyenaem]

My take on the bike: PROs: - Excellent price - A fairly nice frame overall. Beautifully-sloping top tube and nice overall appealing geometry. - The wheels appear to be quite good - Threaded bottom bracket - Has lots of mounts, including a fork crown one for a headlight, full-size front & rear mudguards & racks. I believe, every bike should have them. CONs: - The bottom end of seat stays is hideous! I can't stand that vulgar, ugly curvature! - The handlebar has a cylindrical profile. I much prefer ergonomic / aero profile handlebars, but with wide enough cylindrical cross-section in the centre for mounting a handlebar bracket, a computer, a smartphone mounts, etc. Will need to be swapped upon the acquisition. That's added expenditure of ca. €20-30 (with the sale of the stock handlebar accounted for) - Mechanical disc brakes. Swapping them for hydraulics will necessitate replacing shifters, too. That's another ca. €300 post-purchase. - External cable routing: I can live with it (My Norco Search XR Steel has these, too), but don't appreciate it very much, as it's a little ugly. - A rather heavy frame - Lacks a top tube mount. - A heavy, rather ugly (although very practical, owing to all the necessary mounts) steel fork. I much prefer carbon fork, but carbon forks are quite expensive at €300 or more. - Gearing is not ideal: 10-50 for a 1x would be about ideal. - The tyres will need replacing with something slick, fast-rolling and light (i.e., Schwalbe G-One Speed, the Panaracer GravelKing SLK or similar). That's €50-90,- extra.

[@Anth230]

I dont think the curvature is there anymore....at least from the pics on the website dont look like it...

[@chrisgaleano5771]

How tall are you? What size did you go with?

[@LockedinCycling]

Chris Galeano 5’11 and I’m on a medium, I’d probably swap to a longer stem cause I’m all torso with shorter legs

[@jp93309]

Ugh I hate that vanilla color. Nicer paint would be more appealing for sure.

[@LittleJoe6]

This bike looks exactly like my specialized sequoia.. the wheels the colors everything.

[@LockedinCycling]

Mariah Barr yea I need to look at the geo charts to compare them, but I agree !

[@LittleJoe6]

@@LockedinCycling comparison would be interesting. I work for a Specialized shop so I'll always be partial to them 😁

[@LockedinCycling]

Mariah Barr I used to as well! I thought they are discontinuing the sequoia ?

[@LittleJoe6]

@@LockedinCycling honestly what our rep. has been saying is the whole covid thing messed up the 2021 release. They're just running out of stock of most 2020 models of bikes and taking them of their website. I dont know 100% what's going on and neither does the rep haha

[@neuromancer2500]

What was the weight of your bike?

[@LockedinCycling]

neuromancer2500 after going tubeless and without pedals it was about 27

[@americantroy77]

Is there a better option out there for gravel at this price point?

[@LittleJoe6]

The lowest model of the sequoia. Its round 700 I believe

[@americantroy77]

Mariah Barr thanks, not familiar with that brand I will look them up now

[@LittleJoe6]

@@americantroy77 right now the only available one is the expert I believe which is quite expensive

[@LittleJoe6]

@@americantroy77 its from Specialized

[@LockedinCycling]

americantroy77 hey they do make a handful of options for gravel around this price, my video I’ll post tomorrow will explain how I’m planning to help people choose the best bike for them. I’m working on consulting for this exact reason to help the community. 😊

[@danielreyes3638]

what is the weight of this bike?

[@LockedinCycling]

daniel reyes medium on my scale was 26.5

[@Nick-cs5yc]

Thumbs for the video, not for the bike😁

[@davidjulseth8667]

i'd buy it if you could go 2.25ish 700c

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea check out the redwood review I did , I put 29x2.2 on that I’m my final build series video of that

[@georgeburdine5660]

I'm having a terrible time with these people, I guess I ordered a pre order bike like this one, on the fourth of January, 2021. And on the twenty fourth of January was sent good news by this company. Trouble is I can't find any indication that it was shipped. Fedex says someone made a label and that's where they are with that. There's nothing to track. Remember, they sent me the so called good news. All I hear is crickets. I've tried several times to call their number but got nothing but automated robot. I may have to go after these people, as they took my money quick. Something's amiss

[@LockedinCycling]

I’d reach out via Facebook or Instagram, I know they are moving warehouses so that’s maybe why the calls haven’t work.

[@TheRaucas]

your saddle too high, hips Rocking too much..

[@doxydoxdelamanca9902]

Made in China.

[@LockedinCycling]

DoxYDox DeLamanca ... just like basically all other bikes on the market 😂