SHOCKING Expansion News for Washington State, Pac-12 Hurts Realignment Progress, Bad Big 12 Longterm

[@thelastlatchkeykid8466]

As a Coug, I never really thought Dickert was an excellent coach, but he was a fierce defender of the program. His move was a hurtful because it nullifies his previous defense of the program and the PAC. I hate college football.

[@assassssasa]

Jake Dickert left Washington State with zero notice No team meeting no farewell to the fans

[@KarinLarson]

He also posted a picture of him in a private jet on his way out, classless. Not how a true Coug would behave!

[@JO-kp6lk]

And yet, somehow, he believes in "Stability". As an OSU fan, I appreciate WSU's situation and fully sympathize. However, you will weather the storm, as will we.

[@mason2430]

I feel for Wazzu! It sucks man. When smith left us it was devastating

[@AustinSandmann]

Jake ruined our program he’s such a liar and full of shit. I hope Wazzu can find another guy like Mike Leach because that’s what we need again. Go Cougs !

[@donhula5298]

Bigger loss for Wazzu than gain for WF.

[@jennasw523]

Oregon state is having a good day… got 2 good transfers (maalik murphy and byu TE) most of our offense stayed. We are making a comeback. Watch out for the beavers next season.

[@alta58043]

The Beavers are a small G5 program at best. If i was an Oregon st fan i would push more toward FCS that way it would be very successful at that level.

[@tilu3303]

@@alta58043 Very funny. As a Coug myself I'd like you to research how Oregon State ranks in terms of undergrad student population and how much money they invest into their sports programs? It even exceeds what Wazzu spends which is no small number. You clearly have not been to either campus.

[@tommyjames2448]

Honestly, Dickert committed career suicide yesterday. How's he going to recurit when he's been proven to be a bold faced liar? No one is going to go. "Yes! I want to play for the guy who said I'll be here for at least 10 more years and then dipped not even 24 hours later. I trust him!" And to make matters worse on this entire story. The weasel didn't even give WSU a chance to counter per their AD. He just said, "I got an offer, and I'm gone."

[@JohnOdermott]

Well, it worked for Jonathan Smith, although unlike Dickert he went to a Power 2 conference.

[@tonymorrellcomedy9654]

Hahaha every coach lies. It wasn't suicide. You're silly

[@tommyjames2448]

@tonymorrellcomedy9654 he went to arguably the single worst power 4 job in America and won't be able to recruit once the competition shows his potential recruits his used car salesman pitches about loyalty. Also, when the ACC breaks up, which it will. He's going to be in a worse spot than he was at WSU. Those are facts. That is why no one will hear from him again on the national stage and why he committed career suicide. At best, WF is lateral move, and that's only because WSU doesn't have a real conference right now. In 5 years, this move will be seen as a demotion and a major step down. Had he stayed at WSU another year, he could have had a chance to jump to a Big10 school or a decent ACC or Big12 program.

[@tommyjames2448]

@JohnOdermott and Smith went to a upper half power 2 program. No one would question why someone would take Mich State over OSU. Taking arguably the worst power 4 job in America is at best a lateral move today and will be seen as a major step back/demotion in 5 years.

[@tonymorrellcomedy9654]

@@tommyjames2448 yeah it's still a power 4. WSU isn't. I root for wsu. I'm hoping the new pac can still get the right adds and challenge B12 and acc. But you have to do with the reality of what it is right now. WF is a better job and easier path to playoffs

[@rumblingcds]

The Big12 has no "power" thats pretty damn clear after this season.

[@jalalhockett9114]

I have to disagree. I don’t think this says anything about Washington State or Oregon State. I think this says more about Dickert than anything. Dude has his own players coming out against him, which means he lost the locker room along time ago. Dude left a good team for a not good team, a building conference to an imploding conference… All for a few more bucks. It’s more about him than about WSU and the Pac12.

[@Alohanate2004]

2:10 SMU competing well in the ACC is an indictment on the ACC? Arizona state could never compete for a pac 12 title. First year they win the big 12, after being pick to finish last. Isnt that an indictment on the quality of Big 12 conference?

[@tpatrickl9539]

Oregon won the Big ten. Is that an indictment on the Big ten?

[@Alohanate2004]

​@@tpatrickl9539 Yes. Big ten has 6 good schools and a bunch of bottom feeders. Overall it's not a great conference. Just wondering why Drake is talking crap about the quality of the ACC when the Big 12 literally has the exact same scenario.

[@legoforbeginners6950]

I'm a student at Pullman right this moment, and let me tell you I am f*cking livid. I also refuse to give up on my school. Regardless of this, people better pack Martin next Apple Cup. The one thing that hasn't changed since NIL and the transfer portal are the fans.

[@jefftalkssports5455]

Ducks fan here, this pisses me off. Both programs have built to the cusp of being good just to get abandoned for crappie programs.

[@benmurphy1123]

Opportunity for a better coach

[@ThomasCook-j8b]

It’s all for one… Can’t blame the Coach.

[@dachshunddadbob6765]

Dickert had a hard time keeping assistants, not certain what that says about his leadership style. Leach's assistants were very loyal to him. Have any Wazzu assistants left to be on his Wake Forest Staff?

[@MattBuild4]

Well what it really comes down to is do you want your conference to be based on markets or competition in the sport. Its rare to have both.

[@IndyGuy65]

Jake Dickert walked out on Wazzou and that stinks. Something I have only seen done by a NFL owner once when Bill Callahan was OC of the Dallas Cowboys and had an offer to leave after the 2013 season. Jerry Jones said no, you are under contract until 2014. Callahan stayed.

[@joeguerra8435]

Big 12, Be wary of the next Dickert that will come knocking on the door of your favorite Big 12 team in your ultimate moment of despair. That same Dickert type person (and there’s lots of them out there) will always be with your team … until he’s not. Signed, a Coug Fan

[@tpatrickl9539]

Cougars continue their slide into the third world. The pac-12 is gone. You may have added new teams. All it is is a glorified mountain West. Sorry not sorry, the only two teams left in the pac-12 have both lost good football coaches

[@LibertarianUSA1982]

Wish Washington State would join the Big 12. I could watch my team play them when they traveled up to them.

[@kyletucker3811]

I'm really tired of people Coddling the Pac-2. Everyone, including those two, had a hand both in the decade leading up to the beginning of the collapse and during the collapse. Nobody from Wazzu or OSU should complain about betrayal. They literally cozzied up to the Mountain West and promised not to poach while fully intending to poach, and then are suing to get out of paying the penalties for said poaching. That's the most duplicitous act amongst any schools from the old Pac-12. Those two are the Billy Mitchell of CFB.

[@tilu3303]

Show me the promise they made not to poach. It makes no sense if they had already signed onto an agreement for poaching fees.

[@gigo4309]

Yep. I was rooting for the PAC 2 when they got screwed by the rest of their conference. But then they turned around and did the same thing to the MW. Now they're scrounging around trying to convince any lower-tier team they can find to join for football. Would have easily had the top G5 conference if they had just merged wit the MW. Washington state and the PAC 2 now getting what they deserve. I'm sure they'll get a great media deal too.

[@mikekatura6657]

According to the bowls its sec 13 acc13 big ten 12 and big 12 ten teams

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

Wake Forest is a step up from Washington State. At least Wake is in a P4 conference.

[@poco1174]

Only because of the conference issue.

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

@@poco1174 If the PAC 12 hadn't collapsed, it would be a different story.

[@MarkCox-d3u]

Wake forest football is horrlble Dickert will make it worse.

[@daleblazer]

Coaches come and go... it's not significant..

[@ShaneConQueso]

This hurts because it's spot on. As a Beaver Fan (alumn) there is zero incentive to care anymore. We're a farm club. Money officially ruined college football. Our reward for any player (or coach even!) is they get success and exposure, they move on. And the way the system is now, they're almost a fool not too. I suppose I should be happy my Saturdays are freed up now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@chsmithins]

Happens at every level - Washington lost their coach to Alabama just last year. Turmoil there.

[@mark8337]

Abandon? Come on. You know that’s not how it works.

[@corneliusdansbyjr6165]

Now you're hating on Wake Forest? Good for that coach where should he had went, to a Big 12 school 😂 The Big 12 is not getting Washington State or Oregon State they're rebuilding the PAC 12 to rival the Big 12 and ACC

[@KaelanF]

Wazzu will recover

[@amac701]

Unfortunately, if wazzu has success, they will get picked over by teams with more money to spend on players and coaches. Same goes for the way the Big 12 and ACC will get poached by the SEC and Big ten. Coaches and players will just follow the money. It's a disappointing reality.

[@tilu3303]

@@amac701 Same with everyone with smaller budgets until there are subsidies for less wealthy schools. The Big 10 and the SEC have lower budget schools as well.

[@amac701]

@@tilu3303 Big ten and SEC now get double the payouts of the Big 12 and ACC with their new media deals. The lower budget schools now have the resources to increase. The gap between the P2 and the P3/P4 will widen, and the gap to the G6 will become a huge chasm. The Rich will feast off the poor.

[@bullseye8509]

Washington States coach may be moving back east for personal reasons. It may not be a pure football decision. Go easy.

[@amac701]

Moving back east? He's not from the east. He's from Wisconsin. his coaching career has been from Wisconsin to the Dakotas and west.

[@bullseye8509]

@@amac701 Let me correct that verbiage. He is moving East. The bigger point I was making is that you don't know the coaches decision making process. You don't completely know why he made his decision.

[@amac701]

@@bullseye8509 agreed. One thing is for sure. The coaching carousel never ends.

[@joebirddoe3948]

Loyalty? NIL put the nail in the coffin on that...its now a revolving door for players and coaches! GO DEACS and Cougars!!! 👍

[@frednichols7996]

Who says that Coach Dicker and coaches like what’s gonna be continuing on won’t do the same that Coach sticker did say that they’re the best saying that we want to stay at Washington State University or their school and a week or two before their ball game says I’m out. I wanna go to another school. That’s ridiculous. That stupid that can’t bemake it so that it won’t be again college football and executives.

[@tilu3303]

Total over-reaction!!! The way Dickert left says a lot more about him than it does the school. He wasn't who he appeared to be on the outside - just ask his locker room. Watch Montana State's coach come in and do much more than Dickert accomplished here. Also look at the amount of money Oregon State has put into it's sports programs which even exceeds Wazzu's, and you'll gain some valuable perspective.

[@jamesdavis2106]

Yes let’s see what a Big Sky coach taking over in Pullman can do. 😂😂

[@82dorrin]

In what way is Wake Forest a step up? 😂

[@amac701]

The pac-x will never be able to compete financially with the other autonomy conferences. At least Wake Forest will have more resources, not that that automatically equates to success, but it's definitely a step up. Any reasonable and honest comparison would support that WF is an improvement.

[@chsmithins]

@@amac701At least for now. Should, or when, the ACC implodes Wake Forest will be in the WSU & OSU pickle themselves.

[@amac701]

@@chsmithins true

[@bobhogg4174]

Coach Weasel.

[@usingerinamoapensis180]

“When I was at Washington State, we’re surrounded by Canada, Oregon and Idaho,” Dickert said. “Not exactly the recruiting mecca of the U.S.” Excerpt from Jake Dickert presser at Wake forest. Nice omission of all the players from California on the team. Now he is surrounded by SC, TN, VA and GA. Is it that much better Jake?

[@amac701]

Are you SC, TN, VA and GA are not much better recruiting grounds? Of course they are. But will he be able to get the players at WF? Time will tell.

[@kanakapono]

Sinking ship.

[@scooberz2015]

Aight. What? So I don't think Wazzu or OrSt to the Big XII was realistic unless they would be willing to take a significantly reduced media payout. But your lack of coherent logic here is uhm. Program wants back into the P4. Program loses QB to Oklahoma Program loses Coach to one of the worst P4 jobs imaginable. And your conclusion is...welp they're cooked because this clearly demonstrates they can't handle p4 level football. No sh*t. This isn't an enditment on Wazzu. This isn't a celebration of Wake. This is the clearest signal being set that the divide between the P4 and G5 is reaching a point of no return.

[@kent2cougar]

Throw us a bone yormark

[@tpatrickl9539]

You got boned, that's all there is to it. You got left behind for a reason.

[@kent2cougar]

Have u got off the couch yet today ​@tpatrickl9539

[@tonymorrellcomedy9654]

WF has been more successful than a lot of big 12 teams. Also the B12 made it clear wsu isn't a expansion candidate. Also the pac will probably add Memphis, Tulane, USF, utsa and UConn. Also Jakes not gonna wait for opportunities to be p4 when one is calling. Youre a Re.T. He would be silly not to take WF job

[@davidblawsonamericanhoochieman]

Jake Dickert was NEVER at Oregon State, and Wake Forest worst, REALLY!!! Learn how to podcast and know what your talking, because your comments are trash level.

[@badbeav5061]

He thinks the big 12 is still a power conference 😂

[@Randy-j8q]

It still is! The a.c.c is down and the s.e.c is weak from the middle down. The big ten isn't that tough. The big 12 is the most competitive. My Baylor team is gonna get on L.S.U tail. Don't be surprised if az st makes the championship game. Tx a former big 12 team makes playoff in first year of sec. Smu makes playoff in first year of acc. Oregon makes playoff in first year of big 10. You really have no clue to who is the power 5 conference lol

[@tonymorrellcomedy9654]

​@@Randy-j8qyes B12 is still power 4. But WF is also a p4 job. Wsu isn't. Not yet. That simple. He's getting paid more and will be in a better conference than the new pac. But the new pac will make a run at challenging the B12 and acc. They may not succeed but they have to try

[@Bill-c8r]

Big 12 is mid major. Fact.

[@amac701]

So what does that make the pac-x? A mid minor?

[@MattBuild4]

@@amac701 You tell me there future champion is currently ranked above yours.....

[@amac701]

@@MattBuild4 just answer the question. What do you think the pac-x is?

[@MattBuild4]

@@amac701 It would be the same level as the B12

[@amac701]

@@MattBuild4 delusional. Good luck with that.