(314) Jiggling Open the 'Unpickable' GM Car Ignition from Potti314

[@LockNoob]

Thank you again to the ever-awesome Potti314. For this lock, it was a fun jiggle :-)

[@locknut5382]

I expect that you found out about the big typo in the closing screen. Thanks Ash. Great to see your spare key there! 🙂👍

[@Potti314]

Thanks for trying it buddy. Yeah, seems you just had found a spare key among your jigglers ;-) Great video :-)

[@LockNoob]

Yeah, normally I have to do some actual work, even with this jiggler, but embarrassingly on vid, it just acted like a spare key, lol. Thank you again for sending this really interesting lock :-)

[@1Epicdoom]

GM used the side bar wafer lock for many years claiming it was unpickable Ive done it with pick sets and with other GM keys easily even used an Isuzu key an opened every GM work van on my lot 32 of them its the side bar that was said to make it un pickable

[@LockNoob]

That good going! :-)

[@camronbay1]

I show how to bypass these in my entry course very easy.

[@BusMaster99]

Basically a Medeco ignition lock.

[@zachaliles]

Rocking/raking/jiggling are all valid forms of picking in my book. Good "pick" on that. Oh, and for what it's worth, the us military used late 80's Chevy pickups and blazers as tactical vehicles for a while, called them M1008 and M1009 and they used ignition cylinders like the one you have. They all had the exact same keys for the doors and ignition. I carried a spare set in my pocket all the time when I was in the service in case we had to go "repo" a truck from a unit.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks and thanks for the intestine comment too :-)

[@zachaliles]

Lock Noob ha, intestine. You're welcome.

[@NoctisMotus]

Certainly a valid attack yet not exactly picking, which i believe is why he said "jiggled" open and not "picked" open. Similarly, bypassing is a valid attack but not strictly picking. All other things being equal, an open is still an open though, of course.

[@LockNoob]

zachariah liles haha, I meant interesting, lol

[@zachaliles]

Lock Noob I know you did, still funny though.

[@JD-gn6du]

GM/Chevorlet used that keyway and single sided bitting for a few decades ending in 1994 when they switched to a double sided key with the bitting on both sides if the key… at least on the light trucks.

[@tonysudano778]

It's the old school gm 6 cut. They used em for years on Cadillacs, buicks ect. The door locks have sidebars too.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

I was a mechanic back in the 7o's, and I still have a whole ring of try-it keys for GM products. I only ever used them for car doors for lock outs. I just used a slide hammer for ignition locks, and then only for repo work. much faster. Of course, there was nothing vintage about them back then... just another cheap wafer lock.

[@LockNoob]

Really interesting. Slide hammer is a bit 'final' though, lol :-)

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

as final as the mighty Ramset, via the LPL.... But one does not want to hang around waiting for the angry person who believes they still own the car they haven't paid for...

[@JC-11111]

My auto tech professor had a keyring full of try-its. It came in handy when I locked my keys in my truck one day, an '01 Chevy. That same exact key that opened my truck also opened 4 other trucks in the parking lot lmao 🤣😆 Yea, he locked that key in his desk after that 👎😆

[@thedeeds7777]

i just spent like 2 hours trying this in the sun diein with my pick set. yea, my conclusion was the same you need a jiggler set. i raked, nd rocked with every pick i had. it was faster to just pull the steering wheel nd change it out than to pick it lol

[@duncandunk4270]

I found this very educational thanks locknoob.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@zacharylagler242]

My dad worked at a GM dealer when they still used this 2 key system, and apparently you could open 1 of every 4 vehicles on the lot with the same set of keys...

[@LockNoob]

Sounds about right :-)

[@whitetrash1864]

It's the same with ford I work on trucks and heavy equipment for a living with machines they all just the same master key based on the manufacture and I also carry about 6 different gm keys and about 5 sets of ford keys because 1 of them will almost always turn the ignition switch

[@snowman5105]

Thanks this showed me what i was looking to know

[@LockNoob]

Awesome!

[@lmars5933]

Very nice demo buddy I have some of these at least I know they work👍👍😎

[@LockNoob]

Yeah, they work pretty well if you have the time to try out all the profiles :-)

[@waddac2]

Jigglers are a blessing in my work kit as great for quick access to wafer locks and have even got into a couple of older cars when keys locked in.

[@LockNoob]

They are fun to have, but I find them hard to recommend to most locksporers :-)

[@waddac2]

Yep, not much of a locksporting tool... More of a locksmith tool. Like you say, they are fun. I could do with getting another set for a work mate.

[@mikeluscher159]

Any idea where to source your smaller set? I bought a set off eBay, but I wound up with a set that's too big for this GM ignition

[@RouteBGP]

Lockpick World has the small, medium, and large sets with identical profiles

[@danmcdevitt5456]

Finally! Someone finally shows that a vehicle ignition can be picked... 🤔

[@locknut5382]

A number of modern cars with remote unlocking have an 'emergency key' which turns out to be a slider-only key. One modern car I saw only seems to have 4 sliders in the keyway. Not very good for a lock which is supposed to be securing something which costs many thousands of Pounds, Dollars or Euros.

[@jeffmoss26]

very nice! we get these in the shop at work from time to time :)

[@LockNoob]

Jeff Moss do you know what car they are from?

[@jeffmoss26]

Lock Noob older GM models, couldn't tell you which one

[@thecubinggamer2191]

Really interesting lock, great video!

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@FMagl]

Interesting lock. It took me a moment to understand since I'm not familiar with sidebars.

[@LockNoob]

Yeah, sorry. If I knew how to disassemble this lock fully, I'd be able to show you. Have a look at my Medeco lock videos for a look at sidebars :-)

[@KF1]

I wonder why more locks aren't made to be untensionable to defeat picking attacks?

[@LockNoob]

A good question i not have the answer to!

[@locknut5382]

@@LockNoob Probably a combination of ignorance about security, laziness, and bean-counting, on the part of the product manufacturers, followed by relying upon the customers' ignorance. Many suppliers will tend to go for a tough looking, or stylish, lock which doesn't cost them much.

[@mkwsng]

I wonder if they work on a free spinning core ? Because it will spin away so you can't rake it

[@LockNoob]

yam soong no, I think you are right there, they wouldn't work :-)

[@steveb3671]

Lock Noob: Thanks for an interesting vid. Always great instruction from you. How did the jiggle defeat the sidebar, or am I missing something? Does the tip of the jiggler do that job?

[@LockNoob]

The jigglers mimic the key and set all the pins at the same time. The sidebar just works as normal in this case :-)

[@steveb3671]

@@LockNoob thanks

[@trustyoldiron5416]

Thank you for the video! My family recently picked up a 1947 Buick roadmaster less the keys. It has similar style lock. I'm having a hard time finding the smaller set of auto jigglers. Do you have a link where I might find them? Thank you!

[@jpmarshall3]

Oh good, i was hoping someone would have a go on the jigglers with that GM lock since i saw his 'unpickable' vid.

[@LockNoob]

jpmarshall3 yeah I'm really glad I got to give it a go :-)

[@DonzLockz]

Awesome! "Jiggle attack" so we attack things that jiggle???🤣👍🏽 Unpickable but not unjiggleable!🍺✌

[@LockNoob]

Exactly, lol :-)

[@johnnash8725]

Nice video LN. Be prepared for detention 😂

[@LockNoob]

Detention? Have I been naughty? :-)

[@isaacwoodroof4066]

will the large set open this lock too?

[@LockNoob]

Possibly, but it depends, as always on the lock and it’s bitting :-)

[@Frosty901]

Awesome video buddy! Thanks for sharing. 😊👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@edizalic]

what is their thicknesses cuz I want to make them myslef cuz we don't able to buy them in turkey :/

[@sergiosalazar6806]

Donde las puedo comprarla

[@BD90..]

Thanks for showing that it is pickable

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@NoctisMotus]

To be fair, Potti did not say that it could not be jiggled, just that it could not be picked as a lock would normally be picked. So, he was correct, really.

[@LockNoob]

Noctis Motus yeah, he was :-)

[@BD90..]

Noctis Motus that is fair

[@captmidnite8142]

great tutorial, nice to listen and learn , thanks

[@LockNoob]

Thank you :-)

[@Leonslockpad]

Very cool my friend i remember potti having ago at this lock😎😎😊😎😊😎😊👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks dude :-)

[@Jackcc5]

its not unlockable im honestly tired of people saying that.i make keys for these at work all you do is dril a 2m hole in the side of the casting where then side bar is then poke a small tool though the hole to apply tension to the side bar. then rake apply tension on the sidebar and also turning tension to the plug you will get it open every time.

[@LockNoob]

Jackcc5 nice technique, but as you admit, you need to damage the lock housing to apply tension, which sort of goes against the lock-picking principals. Good for actual locksmiths though. Then again, as I have demonstrated here, it can easily be jiggled open so clearly I don't believe it's unpick-ble either...

[@JC-11111]

Maybe they should be more specific and say it's unable to be single pin picked without damage to the lock. Better? Geez. Go cry in your safe space. 😆

[@ChrisAhrensLHG]

Great work nicely done

[@LockNoob]

Thanks :-)

[@timjackson5555]

that is at least a 30 year old lock, GM started chips in the early 90' no one would mess with picking those junk cylinders. instead a hammer and screwdriver is your friend

[@RASAllusion]

Yup, or just pull the steering wheel and replace the whole lock with one you have a key to.

[@keithhaynie7950]

Not with VATS

[@alla8226]

Good fun, thank you.

[@collomps]

Sadly didn't see this video 2 days ago. Had it picked after convincing it in some destructive ways :)

[@LockNoob]

It happens like that

[@NoctisMotus]

Well, at least it gave you an excuse to use those jigglers.

[@LockNoob]

Noctis Motus I know. I bought them when I was just getting started lockpicking and o have used them about 3 times in almost 2 years... :-)

[@gantry289]

Cool, Thanks for sharing that.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks; good luck :-)

[@Mudsuitable]

I've been picking those since I was eleven definitely not impossible

[@LockNoob]

How did you tension it?

[@Mudsuitable]

+Lock Noob just by pushing in the chrome thumb turn piece if that didn't work (depending on condition of the cylinder) an un-bent key ring wrapped on my thumb in the shape of the letter "P" on my left thumb as I used that hand to turn the cylinder picking with my right, I've gotten them open with carved popsicle sticks zip ties coat hangers other keys. my "customers" would usually pay me waaaay more if the car had no obvious damage

[@pyratemage]

The Jell-O attack! :) Thank you

[@LockNoob]

Jell-O attack?

[@pyratemage]

Lock Noob Jell-O Gelatin. It jiggles!

[@pyratemage]

Lock Noob Or Knox Blocks! They really jiggle.

[@shotzdemo8166]

I pick these all the time

[@LockNoob]

How do you tension it :-)

[@shotzdemo8166]

Lock Noob if you cut the tip off of a pic and bend it and do a little Half Moon looking thing you shove it into that Groove where the sidebar goes and that's going to be your tension you tension that as you would a tension wrench is very light menu rake both sides and you'll feel that side bar click down and turn with flat head

[@n0comply668]

I bet there is a Lishi pick for that lock

[@LockNoob]

I doubt there is as they rely on tensioning like any pick I believe :-)

[@keithhaynie7950]

Nope

[@robertthompson4965]

Try GM rocker picks. You'll have better luck.

[@JMLockpicking]

Nice vid.

[@MultiVde]

nice, might just try that

[@LockNoob]

:-)

[@sergiosalazar6806]

Donde me la pueden vender en una ferretería.

[@stig..locks..r956]

yo man yer would u buy them or wouldn't buy them well I haven't got those 2 sets but I have got the 13 piece pin tumbler jigglers they do work cwite well and some times open locks that I cant pick they are thinner have really good profiles on them double sided good for picking loads of diffren types of locks any waY thanks stiglocks..r

[@LockNoob]

I normally wouldn't recommend buying jigglers, but they are also pretty cheap :-)

[@dimitar4y]

jiggle attack :>

[@LockNoob]

It’s a thing :-)

[@sudoybarua]

but, Wafer lock of OTOBI Steel Almirah is really Non-pickable... Believe it...

[@LockNoob]

I’d like to see that

[@Ryckmaniac]

Mexico is in America silly 😜

[@LockNoob]

Ah, sorry I’m mixing the continent and the country again :-)

[@oldgeordiegeezer3086]

I think you've lost the plot on this one. Surely lock picking by it's very nature suggests you don't have the original key to compare your picks with?

[@LockNoob]

Yes. But how long do you think would take in reality to try each jiggler? Not long. I focus on the techniques and tools in this video so showing the key and how the jiggler works is more important that showing me trying each jiggler in turn.

[@JC-11111]

FYI: Mexico is part of North AMERICA. 🤣