[574] Kryptonite Evolution Security Flaw? You Decide.

[@Marpurrsa]

"relatively quiet" *roar of a thousand lions thunders trough my speakers*

[@TheFearGrizzly]

Its not as loud out in the open its because he's in his garage that's why it's so loud

[@gurtbacharach8943]

Roar of Thousand Lions is my Indian name....

[@BumBumTheBarbarian]

like a thousand tiny lions with sore throats

[@waynecampbell9714]

WOKE UP MY KID, AAGGHHHHHHH, IT TAKES HER FOREVER TO GET TO SLEEP. HEADPHONES FROM NOW ON

[@Sophocles13]

*mew*

[@acadman4322]

My experience with locks comes from 11 years as a Maintenance Chief for a State penitentiary. In that capacity, I employed hundreds of convicts over the years working under Employee supervisors as maintenance crew- I naturally, developed working relationships with a great many professional thieves, burglars and con men (not to mention several murderers). As to your question, 'Is your defeat method of this lock practical- Yes! Absolutely. Many of the professionals I knew would have probably gone through that lock with a cutting torch if they were going to bring fire to the task. But, they probably would not have been worried about the 4 minutes even with the little soldering torch. You and I would be worried about the time. But, most pros know they have plenty of time. I knew a convict who stole a rare motorcycle from a home in broad daylight from a well secured garage- he used a chain saw and simply cut the wooden garage door open making a whole new door, rolled the bike out and rode away on it, leaving the stolen chain saw behind in exchange. Neighbors did not even call the police. They thought he was a repair man. Who would steal like that? One thing convicts know well is people. They also know boldness very often pays big dividends. For any lock manufacturers out there, I would highly recommend you hire a few ex-cons as advisers. In fact, you should hire two teams- one to help design locks, the other to defeat them. I love watching your videos because your solutions are so unique. You very much think like an experienced convict- no offence intended.

[@aluminiumsloep]

Manufacturers just want YOU to buy a locj THINKING it is safe... Hence the budget for marketing and the lower budget for manufacturing.

[@phartferd5738]

I think you might have gotten an exaggerated version of events, if it's true at all.

[@jakobradus7410]

The two teams approach is what is done is IT-security, they are called penetration testers and their whole job is to find out if there is a way to break a system in some way, then report back and suggest how to remove that exploit

[@cup_and_cone]

For the way you wanted to open it, I think the plastic was soft enough within just the first 30 seconds to rotate it, had you clamped it or used a welding glove to hold it properly so you could crank some leverage into it.

[@xtal567]

Cup & Cone or hit it will a hammer after the first 30 seconds.

[@corypride]

Yes, someone intent on using a torch would have brought a large screw driver to pry the shackle from the body using a lot of leverage.

[@quartznation9499]

At that point it's a stick of butter

[@user-lq1dk6gr3p]

i thought the same thing!

[@TheCarDemotic]

Yeah. I was 420 like lol

[@morthim]

"what are you doing with a blowtorch next to a bike?" "uh... my spark plugs broke."

[@thescoutpanda]

actually the people would just walk past and ignore him. i've seen it LOL

[@toastbusters3897]

@@thescoutpanda that's a shame.

[@huckthatdish]

Toast Busters are you trying to get stabbed over someone else’s bike?

[@airwilliam24]

@@huckthatdish Don't have to be Batman. Just call the cops.

[@TheCarDemotic]

Just say you lost your key lol

[@hugorudd1]

LPL: “I’m going to heat it quietly with a plumber’s torch” Also LPL: “screw it, let’s just burn and melt it out completely”

[@jgpics838]

I´ll probably be suspicious if I see someone heating my lock for 6 minutes with a torch.

[@michaelmurphy7241]

lol exactly

[@richardpayne]

Lol, I'm suspicious if I see someone within 6 feet of my bike. Tools are not required. You don't generally sit a watch your bike after you park up.

[@antoniocorreia8789]

6mins wow such a long period of time i doubt you ever left a bike that long anywhere 🥱🥱, mans could of had it open by 3mins, even if it took 15mins its nothing at night time keep believing its not practical apparently back packs don't exist

[@aidangattinger8975]

You could probably cut through it in a fraction of the time with a cordless angle grinder.

[@andersson_casa]

@@antoniocorreia8789 The great benefit over using a grinder is that this would be almost silent to. (Yes I know this is a really old video but I had to get this out of my system :)

[@scorchedearth1451]

Plastic in vital parts is always a security flaw.

[@user46346bdtgry]

exactly. this shows that the extra steel tube in the more expensive lock adds no security benefit since the core didnt move anyway

[@erezklein5769]

That's what she said.

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

Ain't that the truth. I can't count how many things I've owned that died because of a stupid bit of plastic that should've been metal.

[@JohnSmith-xf1zu]

When I was in high school, my front tire came off of my mountain bike because the shocks were mounted on flimsy pieces of plastic. My dad got the bright idea to replace them with a couple of dice and bolts. Worked great for years... somehow.

[@mrn234]

@@JohnSmith-xf1zu And that sir is planned obsolecence ;)

[@null2405]

What about chemically attacking the plastic, injecting in a solvent?

[@TheChemicalWorkshop]

Fuckoff Google DCM, chloroform and many others will work However solvents are quite slow with plastics not to mind that some are toxic.... Fuming nitric acid will catch plastic on fire, could work but it's a little very very dangerous to do without safety equipment I wanted to put a basic lock in acid buuut with 60subs i don't think it's worth spending my 5-10€...

[@xtamared]

Depends on the plastic. If it's ABS, methylene chloride will probably be fastest. But if it's PE chemicals aren't going to touch it.

[@kchortu]

Time is ok if you can put that thing into a bucket come back to it in an hour or two. Like if someone was parked at home or at work you could have time like that. As for the toxic nature of those solvents, it isnt like you plan on taking them home with you leave it in a garbage can nearby

[@xtamared]

Wouldn't even need a bucket, just a syringe to inject in the right place.

[@TheChemicalWorkshop]

i don't think so... if so i want to see a proof... and PE can get dissolved my some chemicals... not fast but it can as far as I know..

[@WaterCrane]

0:48 - "...relatively quickly and quietly..." 4:42 - Umm...

[@2lefThumbs]

The thief might need to carry a spare wheel and tyre if that lock is going through the brake disc...

[@mysss29]

@Jack Napier these are marketed and sold without chains as disc brake locks

[@svampebob007]

the frame is the most valuable, but there's a bigger market for tires and misc parts. if it was a Santa Cruz or a Capra YT then it would be worth it, if it's a non name bike maybe not so much. But this is more of a show and tell about needless security flaws. You can see the design is literally the same, except for the extra metal sleeve... all that to save money and market the lock as being slightly cheaper, yet without explaining the main difference. I know they can't really advertise their flaws, but then maybe they should reconsider their designs if they aren't proud of showing it off.

[@teodelfuego]

Brother, me and my crew want to thank you! We've been seeing these locks more and more and they were really putting a dent in our weekly scores! Thanks to you, we're back to boosting 25-30 high end bikes a week!! We can pay you $10k if you'll come give us an in-house training session. Alternatively, we'll pay you just your travel expense plus a 2% of our first month's take. We'll be in touch!

[@BigBadLoneWolf]

@Jack Napier It does go through the brake disc, i use the same lock on one of my motorbikes

[@michaelmurphy7241]

he will melt the freaking frame and destroy the bike!!!!!

[@davearmitage392]

Brings a new meaning to a stolen bike being ‘too hot to handle’.

[@jeffreyblack666]

I think if you need a plumbers torch it isn't an exploit any more than an angle grinder cutting it would be. Try it with a creme brule torch and see if that works.

[@JasperJanssen]

An angle grind cutting it is also an exploit.

[@skeletonofwisdom2922]

@@JasperJanssen nope.

[@JasperJanssen]

fox 7 rot yup.

[@skeletonofwisdom2922]

@@JasperJanssen Angle Grinders can cut through anything. You can buy a bike lock made of 10 mm diamond rings and an angle grinder will probably cut through it with a bit of effort. . Fortify what you can, don't sweat what you can't. Put an alarm on, a gps device, or maybe a skunklock type of thingy could help.

[@ausintune9014]

@@skeletonofwisdom2922 diamond cutter rings, sure they're expensive as fuck, but nothing is stopping it lol. Or you can go cheaper tungsten carbide

[@moderatefkr6666]

The hottest part of the flame is towards the tip. If the core is of a material that can be melted, play the tip of the flame towards the back and top instead. That amount of plastic should have succumbed within 90-120 seconds. Think of it as a brazing job.

[@frankmerker630]

Well he isn’t “Blow Torching Lawyer” for a reason

[@allenshepard7992]

Armature comment. Open area bike lock, no. Garage, alley or construction site yes. A-1) Cut off the plastic with a carpet knife. 2) Using several eight by eight inch fiber glass mats over the lock for heat retention, pour diesel into shackle holes. Diesel is far more destructive when it burns. Might use "sugar rocket" paste as well to get it going. 3) While burning the inside, use a chain or tool to pull the lock body away from the shackle. B) Second approach, use a pipe and strap to hold a home made or Estes rocket motor over the key way and then insert a screwdriver. Again the fiberglass or even wet rags are put over the lock body to reduce noise, flames and people looking. Thank you LPL for helping us make "a more informed lock purchase"

[@TrionicSeven]

Can it be done with an induction heater? Those are completely silent, only problem is a portable power supply.

[@AsiAzzy]

Induction hears work only for steel and ferrous metals. Plastic is not affected, and heating the lock body red hot just for the tiny amount of heat going from the body to the plastic thing.. is quite inefficient.

[@smokebuur]

Tiny amount of heat? Would you stick your dingus in a metal tube being heated red hot by an indution heater? I don't think so buddy. If you did you'd need a portable power supply each time you went to bed with a lady friend.

[@theshankman8682]

an butane torch will work better

[@littlegoobie]

and every bike stealing crack head has one of those.

[@obfuscated3090]

A common portable cutting torch needs no external power and would cut anything that size laughing all the way. I use a medical oxygen cylinder for light weight on my portable setup and use disposable propane cylinders with an adapter which is easy to assemble from standard fittings. It's easy to carry in the field (I'm a mechanic.) Torches aren't completely silent but a small tip isn't loud at all. Example quality kit: www.amazon.com/Harris-4403211-Acetylene-Cutting-Cylinders/dp/B01ES9CXVM You can find similar for less money. Harbor Freight kits work but are prone to mixer tube fires in the cutting torch head and their o-rings I've seen (where the cutting head joins the handle) tended to crumble. You could replace those with Viton rings from a non-shit manufacturer.

[@flagpoleeip]

I'm not sure there would be anything left to nick.

[@amecarethqc6652]

0:52 "Quickly and quietly" I think you should go check a dictionary for the definition of those two words. Jokes aside, great video as always :)

[@RichardsWorld]

The plastic was supporting the metal locking parts. You melted the support. I think your screw driver had nothing to do with it opening. If you had mounted this in a big table vise you would have been able to pry the shackle open much easier. I think Fire Marshall Bill would recommend you wear welding gloves for this experiment.

[@alaric_]

If the thief "had" a hammer he could have tapped it out sooner. Also i think that the screwdriver would have worked better had he smashed it into the lock first with the hammer and then heated it. Now the whole lockbody just slipped away everytime he inserted the screwdriver.

[@Paul-pj5qu]

But a big vise is not a practical Street tool

[@thomasjenkins7506]

who needs a hammer or vice when a simple pair of channellocks would have done the job? the shackle is already held in place by the disc brake, so all you have to do is pull on the body when heating. could've had it open in a minute or two.

[@KickassRaider]

*Him* :"I found an exploit that doesn't require any special tools" *Also him* : "all you need is a plumbers blowtorch *Me* : ah yes of course, the most common of all tools, blowtorches.

[@Mr6Sinner]

KickassRaider Butane cooking torch would work just as well

[@TheMrVengeance]

Well to be fair, a plumber's blowtorch is something you'll be able to buy in just about any decent hardware store. Specialised lock-picking tools, not so much. So in that sense, a blowtorch isn't 'special'.

[@Thatnegroswag]

Blow torches are everywhere nowadays, especially with dabs becoming popular

[@mwilliamshs]

It's not a blowtorch. It's a torch.

[@buckweed420]

Yes it is common. You can literally get one in the camping section at Walmart. Also at any hardware store.

[@matthewmills58]

“I believe we can open it quietly with this exploit” * proceeds to start up a fucking mini jet engine * 😂

[@philipmarshall-cox2664]

Unlikely to be exploited in the field, but easy enough for Kryptonite to engineer (cheaply) around in the same manner as the New York Lock. Makes you wonder why they did this. The answer I guess is they figure most people will never realise the weakness. Keep up the good work.

[@GarthGoldberg]

Meanwhile, you've set on fire the motorcycle you intended to steal.

[@thomasjenkins7506]

for safety, never apply a blowtorch directly on cement. cement still contains water, which expands greatly when heated and could cause it to pop significantly.

[@God8-O]

We need a bigger Ramset.

[@SuperAWaC]

oh, there are much bigger powder actuated drivers than ramsets. there are ones that used 12ga blanks

[@CptJistuce]

@@SuperAWaC Oh, HELL yes. I don't know what they're nailing with those, but I know I want to see one.

[@dereklyons6885]

@@CptJistuce remember the scene in the first Jurassic park when they are excavating the fossilized dinosaur skeleton, well to help with the excavation they fire a large caliber round, most likely the 12g, into the ground to help loosen up the fossil of the dinosaur.

[@CptJistuce]

@@dereklyons6885 I do remember! (They were actually creating a shockwave that would travel through the rocks and reflect back, so that they could image the area using sonar. )

[@dereklyons6885]

@@CptJistuce oh yeah that's right

[@michael-james5563]

I think you could of opened that faster than you did, i have a sneeking suspicion that you did not get enough leverage on the bottom of the lock fast enough you were using the screwdriver and tapping it rather than pulling with force, once you changed position and pushed with the torch it popped off easy, suggesting the plastic was well molten by then, im sure you would only need the plastic malleable to spin the lock ...

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Mikey N I agree.

[@WilliamMancel]

That's what I hate about plastic cores, the melting point of plastic, and it's just plain cheap, not durable. As far as this being practical, it would depend on the location and situation. The smells of burning plastic carry pretty far, and most people will look around to see what's burning. Also fire around a motorcycle could end up in one crispy critter. 😂 But obviously it works. Excellent video LPL.

[@recklessroges]

Perfect demonstration, (I liked seeing all of the working internals before the experiment began.) I think that having some spring-loaded lever between the shackle and the lock body could have halved the opening time.

[@dragade101]

yes. dont build locks that rely on plastic to hold any of the locking elements together.

[@jasonjackson5696]

Meanwhile, the heat warped the brake disc to where the thief couldn’t push the motorcycle away 😂😂😂

[@SPIR-MiffyJupiter]

you've hit the point !!!! great !!!!!

[@dsloop3907]

Flame on concrete will make the concrete spall. The pieces that pop out are very hot and seem to want to stick to bare skin. At least wear eye protection, if you are not doing so. Could you try to melt the actuator with hi amp electricity, similar to the way you melted the lock shackle in an earlier video? Remove the covering from the shackle, ground it, then insert a screwdriver into the core, using it as the second electrical connection. Core melts, and gets hot enough to melt the plastic also.

[@ToolsForLife]

Make sure when your using the torch to keep the torch about an inch away. The torch is at its hottest point when you can see normal yellow or at the end of the blue flame.

[@psirvent8]

Well if I see someone on the street torching a bike lock for this long, I will most likely ask him: "How may I help you ?"

[@Godric_71]

LPL, you should send it back to the Kryptonite company like that and ask for a refund. I can only imagine the response you would get from them.

[@spencermargosian7492]

I don't think it would be practical to do this in a real use case simply because that much heat almost directly on the bike/motorcycle/whatever would likely be too damaging to make the lock worth melting. Not sure, but I try to keep the lock as tight against my bike to just that reason.

[@bunberrier]

Good afternoon, Mrs. Lawyer. Is your husband at home? "He's in the basement.... again"

[@Zodliness]

Directing the heat directly onto the core would melt the core plastic housing enough to breech the lock. Very poor oversight on Kryptonite's part.

[@briangrant1798]

yeah. very poor oversight on their part... Kryptonite what were you guys thinking?

[@sharg0]

And using less heat so it could spread via the core.

[@DONK8008]

I bet they were thinking "We could save money making this out of plastic"

[@NigelTolley]

LOLDONGS I suspect they thought "No one is daft enough to lug a propane torch and set fire to it for 5 minutes as a real world attack when a disc cutter takes 20 seconds."

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Nigel Tolley Perhaps, but I'm sure I could do this is FAR less time knowing what I know now. As far as lugging tools around, thieves regularly carry tools far larger and heavier.

[@therocketman321]

It may have been faster to heat the core and then give it a few whacks with a hammer to move the locking paws. Or for a quieter approch, wrap a heavy chain on the lock body and use downward force to pull the body away from the shackle while it's being heated, the gooey plastic should give way.

[@95rav]

Therocketman321 for a quieter approach, you could probably just use dynamite.At least the noise would be over in a fraction of a second.

[@LazyCloud9]

Currently it's middle of the night for me and the torch is pretty soothing honestly.

[@DES.REVER.DESIGNS]

Love your channel, keep up the great content, I picked my first lock when my key broke to my first apartment quite a few years ago, thanks to you. 1 critique tho... you'll get much better times getting thru the locks if you back the torch off a bit... the point of the flame has the highest temp concentrated into a tiny spot.

[@AsiAzzy]

A hydraulic bolt cutter is a silent beast. No sound, no wrestling with the chain to find a proper anchor for the bolt cutter, because the hydraulic one requires a lot lower force to operate and the force between jaws does not drop as soon as you let go, but maintains and only increases with each pump.. so it can swiftly cut anywhere, mid-air, without counter force. A separate low volume rotary pump is compact and the cutter head is quite small and easy to reach tight spaces. (also does not matter much where it bites.. you can chop the whole lock in two) And there are even hydraulic bolt cutter operated by electric drill. 2 seconds and 15mm shackle is toast. The best thing is that these kind of tools are very expensive and highly specialized and not common.. so at least that's going for us defending against thieves. But just as you do the overkill ramset gun tests, maybe you source such a hydraulic bolt cutter and do some videos with it. I've played with such a tool from a buddy who's into big construction sites where such cutters are used to cut thick rebar ends (30+mm), and cut a bunch of things to my amazement.

[@titanus3632]

"Quickly and quietly" eh? *Turns on blow torch* Yep, real quiet.

[@buynsell365]

This took longer and more heat than I expected. Great video.

[@samueltaylor4989]

Plastic or zinc has no business being inside any lock. Period.

[@danmendoza863]

**makes the entire lock body of zinc becuase you said inside**

[@stuartd9741]

Exactly! I mean what is actually worse plastic or zinc? Zinc is sooo soft smh.

[@AstoundingAmelia]

@@stuartd9741 gallium

[@Cenentury0941]

@@AstoundingAmelia I'd love to see a lock body made of mercury. Put it in a glass container so that the lock body doesn't spill out.

[@AstoundingAmelia]

@@Cenentury0941 i mean you cant pick a lock if the core is liquid

[@JordyValentine]

I think it opened much earlier, you can see the shackle move out when you bump it around with the screw driver and chain, I think you just didn't use enough force

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Agreed.

[@Herberthishful]

@@lockpickinglawyer i didn't get the flawless, is the lock weak for fire?

[@Sweet_Jelly39]

@@Herberthishful Yup, and i'm sure u can beat it with 5kg hammer too if u strike it from above while it hanging on chain bcoz what really hold the structure are just plastic..

[@kongkunin]

I'm curious if that same exploit is usable on the new York variant due to the mode of failure.

[@Taluvian]

Probably had it opened faster if you had pliers to hold lock.

[@drew79s]

Given the mode of failure this would have applied equally to the New York Lock, as the lock body melted which would have allowed the rotation of the body regardless of the steel casing.

[@oh8wingman]

Just a little tip. If you are going to heat items up with a torch it's not advisable to place them on a concrete surface. Concrete always contains some water and there is a good possibility that the concrete will explode when the water in it boils. Set your item up on a stand of some kind or better yet get a couple of firebricks to put the item on. Getting a piece of high speed concrete in your eye is never a good thing. As far as this being a practical method to defeat a lock on the street, I don't think so. It's noisy and time consuming and I think you would invariably be challenged by someone. If you did it at night, it would be even worse as the flame would appear out of place and draw attention.

[@sebabalo]

Try dynamite, maybe you will find an exploit.

[@BSOE3058]

Man, wear leather work gloves, dat was hot...

[@dustinwrye]

Scream of Shadow made me nervous watching that.

[@gorillaau]

He's a lawyer... If anything happens he can sue the lock manufacturer.

[@tennicktenstyl]

An angle grinder would be easier to use and faster. I don't think anyone will bother melting a lock like this, especially because not every lock is prone to this method of attack, while almost every lock will give up to an angle grinder

[@bwood6337]

Yes but one of the points he mentioned was “relatively quiet” and an angle grinder is definitely not that.

[@Biffo1262]

@@bwood6337 It's a hell of a sight quicker though and it's been shown the and time again that thieves get away using angle grinders on a busy street by being just plain blatant. No-one tackles them and if they do the guy just says I lost my key. Who's gonna call him a liar with angle grinder in his hands! The only solution to more security is MORE locks so they go elsewhere!

[@ausintune9014]

Angle grinder is loud as fuck

[@snoopdogie187]

I think if you focused more heat on the steel body of the lock to create a oven inside the lock, it would be more efficient and also not melt the core. I also thought some pliers would be more easier. Instead of attacking the lock, attack the locking lugs, get them to move inside the plastic, which doesn't have to be as hot as you got it just to move things with more force. MAPP gas instead of propane would be great.

[@ovalwingnut]

I was more surprised that your concrete floor didn't POP! (violently) due to its (natural) moisture content.. Direct flame on cement is normally a no-no. Ask me how I know ;o) Thank you for the video BTW. Gobble Gobble Gobble

[@huxleypig69]

I want to know how you know! Sounds dangerous :-)

[@bryanslocks3481]

huxleypig69 try it ur self. C what happens. (:

[@ovalwingnut]

Oh crap! I was afraid someone might ask :) It was dangerous :Oo I'll just say that it had to do with a women's prison, a inquisitive new guard, a tenacious cement shower divider and a Harbor Freight propane torch. Jumping to the chase.. I got a eye full of shattered cement. They now call me patchy and I"ll be out in 3 to 5. For God's sake, please keep this to yourself. Thanks!

[@WineScrounger]

How embarrassing. Plastic has no place in a security lock.

[@user46346bdtgry]

Particularly embarrassing for the more expensive version. The extra steel tube ads no security benefit since the core didn't move even with a screwdriver prying at it.

[@Sillimant_]

@@user46346bdtgry to be fair, it was a small screwdriver. Welding gloves or some clamp or something to that effect could have made it quicker

[@JasperJanssen]

Sillimant the keyway isn’t big enough for a significantly bigger screwdriver. This is a disc detainer, not a regular keyway.

[@sebastianjost]

@@user46346bdtgry not everyone wants to carry 10kg of locks. So Plastic is a way to save money and weight. It does oviously reduce security though.

[@Viigan]

- Is this a holdup? - It's a science experiment!

[@giannisantypas9316]

The same flaw is present in the New York version too: the plastic core will melt in the exact same way and the lugs will fall out of place.

[@TheMrVengeance]

I'd imagine the extra layer of steel would delay the melting somewhat. And if someone has the freedom/privacy to spend 10 minutes at your bike-lock with a gas tank and blowtorch, they'll be getting that lock open one way or another regardless. If you learn anything from reading up on (cyber)security and pen-testing; if someone wants to get into something badly enough, they will. All you can do is delay, or make the attempt as obvious as possible. (Like forcing someone to spend minutes with a blowtorch or angle grinder shooting flames/spark around and making lots of noise)

[@VolkanERSOY]

I absolutely have no idea why I keep watching you.

[@RuffKutz]

Not only is your content great I love listening to your voice it's so calm and soothing. Keep it up.🇦🇺

[@Crawlerjamie]

No homo. ...right?

[@JS-fb6ww]

Lmao. These bike lock companies must fucking hate the lock picking lawyer.

[@dutchsmokeherr]

The bottom of the core is rounded on one axis and snug with the body, so given that if the top and bottom of the core/actuator also fit snugly that would stop the core from rotating while just the plastic was melted. The bottom of the core would have to be melted before allowing rotation if my understanding is correct.

[@jalawialotaibi6639]

if you really wanna know what I think.. well, I think you saved 5 years of my savings and help me buy better lock for my bike

[@DukeChameleon]

5 years of savings for a bike lock?

[@fur_avery]

@@DukeChameleon 5 years of savings for a bike and a bike lock

[@brian3634]

Yeah I don’t think that’s an exploit given how loud, time consuming, bright, and nondescript it is. It’d be like saying “look at this locks exploit, if I put thermite on it, it’ll melt right off!”

[@Omych]

Actually, it's not a security flaw, but design flow - developers of this lock wanna make it lighter to user (velo- or motodriver) so he can easylly carry it in backpack or watevah. Heating this lock is impractical, couse you can destroy some stuff, that this lock safing (bike wheel, etc). On the other side, sledgehummering it upside-down can, probably, work - lugs just gonna grab in inside plastic. Again - if the placing of lock allow it. Also you can heat up the core, put the screw in and tore up all the core nuts, then rotate it. So much possibilities, if thief has a time to use them, but anglegrinder work's faster.

[@FokkerBoombass]

Good plastic may be better than cheap metal (say zinc alloy) and it shouldn't be dismissed instantly, but yeah in this case it's not a good place for it.

[@keithhallam4073]

Cost cutting at its absolute worst. Plastic in a lock?! Is Kryptonite affiliated with Mastercock by any chance 😝😂

[@d4v3tm]

i think heating it from the top right at the shackle while pulling on the lock body would have worked much faster!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Dave K. It's possible.

[@perfectly_unstable]

You mentioned this was a quiet method. I've been around plumbing torches although they're not as loud as a grinder they don't exactly whisper. Also if we're considering that much heat being used as a way to break off locks then enough thermite will destroy any pad lock being produced today.

[@SukiAbazi]

I think we can consider this one as a security flaw, since you explained that the lugs fell down when the plastic melted underneath. So technically if you would direct the flame from the top of the lock you can open it faster than the method you tried ( Heating through the key lock). Plus there are "mobile" gas torches that i believe can achieve the same result. So plastic = No go! At least if its not protected like the New York lock.

[@darrenjacobson7456]

Plumbers torch isn't exactly quiet.

[@IdemRedd]

It was open long before you actually opened it.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Agreed.

[@matthewkuhl79]

This is the most comprehensive _Consumer Reports_ for locks out there 👍

[@jkay2853]

I heard 3 times 'To keep from smelling like "Rashja"' or something, and I kept wondering what or who Rashja was lol. Great video.

[@m.a.t.a.s]

Yes, surely every bike thief carries a blow torch, a screwdriver and a 25 kg gas tank.

[@dereklyons6885]

Every meth user has several torches at their disposal and they are the ones most likely to steal your shit. Also most stoners have one to take dabs with.

[@larryg7336]

I think you had it opened within the first two minutes, all you need to do was to tap it harder maybe with a Mallet

[@diobrando9842]

You can always open a lock by taping it with a mallet

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

10:49 - Technically, it _is_ a security flaw, since parts vital to the functionality of the lock are held in place by a thermoplastic. However, given how long it took to get the shackle off I would say that it's only a risk if one leaves their bike overnight.

[@PsychoticBovine]

I wonder if a cordless soldering iron shoved into the lock would soften the inner housing with no noise and more directed heat? Then turn the core.

[@TheChemicalWorkshop]

Bad lock but not that terrible... it took tome time and blowtorch in the city would be suspicious...

[@tonychambers9228]

Not really man because plumbers and handy men use them all the time. 30 seconds is fast not to mention this is quiet compared to a angle grinder

[@cup_and_cone]

Thieves carry 3 foot long bolt cutters in a city.... A typical 14oz plumbers torch would be much easier to carry.

[@dsloop3907]

Thieves really don't care. A MAPP gas torch is not very big.

[@littlegoobie]

every street crack head has portable torches.

[@KennyMinigun]

There might be other portable sources of heat except blowtorches. I can't name it right now, but I am sure there are.

[@dennisturgeon7019]

Considering the locks purpose this has no meaningful value as a test, the motorcycle it was in would be damaged enough, and the risk and very apparent attack high enough as to deter this, I would imagine a dedicated motorcycle thief would be better off just learning to pick it open.

[@totallyrandomlocksandpicks]

Who knows what people will do? what is impracticable or (read) insane to one person is "normal" or "ok" with another. If you have a spare try soaking it in acetone, acetone melts ABS plastic (*lego) effectively. Jus be aware of the fumes. 3D printers often use a vapor bath to finely finnish printed items. Just a thought thanks for the video!

[@russellhltn1396]

I think the problem is softening the plastic enough/deep enough to rotate the core while still allowing the bolts to travel normally. Not impossible, but it seems like it might take some practice. Seems like it would be faster to melt the bolt area like you eventually did. I don't think it's a weakness for a public area, but it could be an issue for a secluded one.

[@apex007]

Next time try MAPP gas to see if it is any faster

[@ppipowerclass]

This was my thought too. MAPP gas could be easily concealed and burns hotter.

[@cup_and_cone]

MAPP gas isn't available anymore. All you can get now is the "Map" stuff that's propylene.

[@johndoyle4723]

I think the lock put up a good fight, more than enough to defeat a lowlife with a blowtorch and screwdriver. I suspect you are not on Kryptonites christmas card list. Nice video thanks.

[@tommorris5442]

Great video. I think you are right in that if you had a tool that reached the back of the core the lock would have failed sooner. Surely the failure mechanism highlighted by melting the lugs out of place is also a failure mechanism for the new york version? aren't the locking lugs for that held in place by plastic?.

[@PTReDaLeRtPT]

I have a 2013 Kryptonite NewYork Lock and it has the exact internal plastic construction. I think they upgraded their lock with the new internal metal construction and continued the old plastic one with this new labeled model.

[@coladict]

No special tools, he said... As if everyone just carries a blowtorch around.

[@taitjones6310]

I have 2. And anybody can go to a home depot and buy a torch. Locksmithing tools are special order, and if you are caught with them without a license they are considered burglary tools. A torch isn't.

[@loser7528]

....you don't?

[@BigBadLoneWolf]

@@taitjones6310 they are also a hell of a lot cheaper than a battery powered angle grinder

[@maybewellok]

*I know the easy way to open this luck silently* *Grabs a torch that are loud as hell and a normal screwdriver* _there you go, no-one would notice that_

[@MarcLerchs]

Excellent. Thank You. Small question : is it plastic or metal into the ABUS Granit series ?

[@Liesmith424]

I wonder if one of those small butane torches would've worked by just directing the heat directly down the keyway for a minute.

[@Godric_71]

LPL. I have 3 questions for you. 1: how 2: when 3: why did you start lock picking?

[@gsmeyersaz]

What thief is going to carry around a blow torch??? I purchased one of these locks for my motorcycle...works great!

[@pete_lind]

That size blow torch ... maybe not ... there are smaller pocket versions Its black lock and in direct sun shine it will heat up to over 90°C round 200°F ... and plastic parts start to deform if they are long periods in that heat without torch He should try to bake that lock in a oven to 90°C/200°F and test if that plastic part will fail .

[@tonychambers9228]

a map gas torch is like 30-40$ most theifs have access to plumbing tools out here so i think this is a huge security flaw

[@tonychambers9228]

Yes that is how alot of thefts happen neighbors see you have nice things and have there friends steal your shit. happens all the time here in nyc inside jobs

[@cup_and_cone]

The same thieves that are already carrying 3 foot long bolt cutters...

[@frequencydecline5250]

Gary Meyers - Yeah I think you are going to be fine. Real world, the outer rubber would be melting, smoking, burning and dripping off. Depending on how you have it attached, the whole thing got jostled enough that parts of the bike are going to be susceptible to the heat.....This just seems like a mess of a way to go about it. 4 minutes is a long time to be working like that, and this was in a garage. Weather conditions outside could increase the time it takes. And looking at pics of it in use, most of the pics its wedged pretty damn close to the tire....I'd be willing to bet if your bike gets stolen, it won't be because they blow torched the lock.

[@SachaBernasconi]

it opened because you melted the plastic body. Knowing this you could have directed the flame directly to the plastic body from the side opening, would probably be faster

[@jeep13ca]

You could also use an induction heater. My local mobile tool dealer has one that you plug into 110v and would heat that up even faster than the torch and quieter.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

bad guys don't work this hard R

[@error.418]

False

[@T2roxT2]

if hard work is what you mean by 5 minutes of heating it up for a bike that can be easily worth over 50k then i dunno man

[@sebastiannielsen]

0:50 : Opened relatively quickly and quietly 4:43 : [VERY LOUD] POCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Or did you Think of some sort of battery-powered quiet pipe-heater or something but use this torch as a demonstration only?

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Anything that can get over 400 degrees could work.

[@oddjobbob8742]

A major flaw to the whole motorcycle security problem is having someone who hates the thump-thump-thump of the motorcycle starting early in the morning put one of the those locks that fit in a cooling hole in disk and walking away. I should add, its effectiveness is enhanced by squinting 5-minute epoxy of super glue into the lock before you walk away.

[@davidolson7575]

I think it would be nice to see this demonstration again but as you said being able to go all the way to the back of the lock I think that it would’ve opened up like within two minutes.

[@tyronekim3506]

I have this lock on my bike. Yikes! It goes to show that brains can defeat brawn. I have to research a different way to secure my bike. Thanks for the upload.

[@mothman-jz8ug]

I think it could be opened relatively quickly - just like any other lock - by simply using a smoke wrench. That one tool can open virtually any lock, and I think I could do it under a minute. Since all locks can be opened with a smoke wrench, then they all have a serious security flaw. (For those unfamiliar with a smoke wrench, they are also known as ox-acetylene torch with a cutting head.) I have one smoke wrench which can be carried with one hand. In the time it took to melt that plastic part, I could have cut the shackle and, most likely, could have split the lock body as well.

[@Sir.SpeedWagon]

For the streets I think it’s not practical but if someone is placing their bike into a basement of a flat or in the staircase maybe it can be done at night. Liquid nitrogen is working like charm on cheaper locks and you can carry it in a thermostat. Much quieter and quicker.

[@mynamesaretakenwtf]

Considering the type of torch you used, I don't think it's too big concern though definitely a flaw. The other practical problem is the amount heat you have to use. This thing is a discbrake lock. You take a torch like that and have the discbrake in the line of fire, you may not be able to move the bike due to warping the rotor. At that point you'd better getting a crane and hoisting it into a truck and then taking your time to pick it where you end up taking it. They could probably use a better high heat plastic if plastic if that's route they choose to take. Also, this exploit would the same on the New Yorker. If the lock body melts, you could attempt the twisting exploit once it melts out of the steel housing, or you wait for the insides to turn to mush in about the same amount of time. If you can turn the lock body from the back faster than melting to the lugs, then it's an issue. Otherwise if it takes the same amount of time as the New York Lock and you trust the New York Lock, the Evolution should be okay.