[1421] US Gov’t Says You MUST Use This Lock (CompX Mailbox Lock)

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[@dovakeen1179]

This guy has taught me locks are just to keep honest people out.

[@shanecoelli1027]

And to let LPL inside.

[@willsucura469]

Keeps honest people honest

[@BUILTFORDTOUGH79]

100%

[@zachbarnes2538]

In this case, keep in mind most people’s mailboxes aren’t locked. Apartments just have the law because of the density of mail in one spot. They don’t want criminals taking the whole bank of mail from the building, not necessarily to stop any single box from being robbed

[@lucascrowthervidz]

Yup, just like fences!

[@DismemberedHat]

LPL: *gets the lock open just by raking it for a few seconds * Me: *unsuccessfully trying to open the lock with its literal key *

[@pierrecurie]

maybe you need to rake it

[@scorchedearth1451]

Many people use their keys with force. Not allowing the key setting itself properly. That wears out the pins faster, so the original key opens the lock with more difficulty.

[@dr.robertjohnson6953]

THIS ^^^ is the reason the government chose this lock. It is not secure. It will probably continue to work long past the point when they key is worn out. Just jiggle it a bit, it will work.

[@charlespearce4599]

@@robertcowling4313 coupons are the best part! Porn for adults, as my mom calls them lol

[@slcpunk2740]

@@scorchedearth1451 I use my keys with THE force.

[@retcp5985]

As a postal employee, I can confirm that the top level management running the USPS is even less impressive than the integrity of this lock.

[@Jerakk30]

at least the lock has integrity

[@mikeq6516]

2nd that...

[@Its-Time-To-Cleave]

I quit after two weeks

[@kickgryhmez7015]

Of course, USPS has lost money for the last decade and a half probably (they stated 13 years which is why Trump pulled their funding a few years ago) The staff at many places in Urban areas especally are pure trash in terms of service, likeability and effeciency. You have people old as dirt working there refusing to retire and allow new younger workers in (Not my problem if you failed to save up money and do what's needed before you hit 65 if I did that myself it would be my fault as well) get out and let people get jobs. Then a lot of females are overweight middle age women behind the counter whom do not like to move around with any sense of urgency to get the pick up lines down faster and drivers are failing to deliver so the pick up lines are MASSIVE. I've worked for UPS both on the truck and Warehouse, I currently work in a warehouse office that deals with warehouse staff as a Sales analyst (we ship and sale over 1 mil products a year) I've worked for Sprint Corporate and Bestbuy so I know about face to face sales and service. USPS is my number #2 most hated entity in terms of service so far, MTA being #1. There are so many easy fixes USPS could impliment to just run things smooth but they choose not to; AND they get paid pretty well especailly the longer you're their. I also sell stuff online and I've shipped over 410 packages via USPS in the last 2 years so I have a ton of expereince with USPS and their staff behaviour. There are some great locations and staff, but a lot of stuff needs fixing with USPS and many locations are garbage. Fitness test should be one thing to implement for drivers AND counter staff, they should 100% add an age limit to hiring, and Customer service skills should be taught to staff. I shouldn't be treated better at Chic-Fil-A than at a government entity by a government paid employee it's beyond rediculous. I have a picture in my phone of a Wall to wall packed USPS facility with people waiting for Pick up and management was there and did nothing to assist.

[@Jerakk30]

@@kickgryhmez7015 "USPS is my number #2 most hated entity in terms of service so far," You mean it's your #1 most loved entity in terms of service.. because USPS delivers your packages.. and FedEx's packages, and everyone else's packages. In fact.. if it wasn't for the USPS both FedEx and UPS would have been out of business a LONG time ago. Every logistics company in the US DEPENDS ON the USPS.. as well as every US citizen. The issue with the USPS in regards to staffing, logistics, service, etc.. is the fact that it's a government entity that receives NO FUNDING from the US government. None.. at all. Seeing as they're a constitutionally mandated entity as well.. that means they MUST OPERATE FULL STOP regardless of if they make a profit or not. This creates the majority of the problems you're complaining about. The USPS must always be in service, MUST deliver packages REGARDLESS of who they're through (a regular person, a commercial enterprise, or another logistics company). The only money they can really make is basically on stamps and priority mail service.. that's about it. While FedEX/UPS do pay the USPS to deliver their ground packages... it's not NEARLY enough to cover the expenses involved.

[@Clanps]

This reaffirms what my dad has always told me. "Locks are for honest people. If criminals want to get in, they will"

[@rat17]

Skyrim taught me that.

[@LeafMaltieze]

I mean, if you don't care about damaging things, drills, grinders, and saws can through just about anything, if you have enough time, and noise isn't a concern. Locks are just good for stopping people who care about being seen/heard.

[@erikedlund8711]

"He only did it once, it could've been a fluke!" - The US Gov't.

[@ouzoloves]

I am surprised I had to scroll this far down to find a "fluke" comment.

[@pimpnick4920]

I was waiting for...let's see if that was a fluke...then he opened it in less than a second on the second try

[@josh3771]

Don't worry, launching a $20 million government investigation now. Will let you know the results if it's any good in 3-5 years

[@RobCalhounPGH]

Nah, more like, "We don't care. The contract went to the right vendor and the right pockets were lined with the right amount." - The US Gov't.

[@robmorin1042]

@@RobCalhounPGH EXACTLY ! AND ILL BET ANY AMOUNT OF $$ IT'S A RELATIVE OR CLOSE FRIEND WITH A 100 YEAR CONTRACT LOL ..JUST THE WAR RIGHT NOW !! THIS WHOLE THING IS FOR BLOOD MONEY !! CHILDREN ,INNOCENT WOMEN AND CITIZENS DYING FOR MILITARY EQUIPMENT SALES !! EXPENSIVE FIREWORKS SHOW PAIF FOR WITH BLOOD MONEY !

[@lordlemmingman]

Whenever LPL pulls out the wave rake: "Welp, this lock is going to be disappointing"

[@cdevidal]

He didn’t do it twice, maybe it was a fluke

[@TRNFloyd]

@@cdevidal copium

[@Helladamnleet]

@@cdevidal oh shit you're right. It might have been a fluke.

[@Justin111er]

@@TRNFloyd jokium*

[@michellemire8462]

@@cdevidal pretty sure it was!

[@twotwentyswift]

Trust me, your mail carrier couldn't care less whether you have a government approved lock on your box or not. I carried mail for 32 years and I'd never even heard of such a thing. Our key opens the entire bank of boxes at the apartment complexes not the indivdual ones.

[@kdawson020279]

I was a city carrier for 12 years before I moved to maintenance. Current Area Maintenance Technician for what's left of Central Plains District. I had to learn a lot of stuff about the mechanics because there are so many different box styles over the years, and like you I knew roughly how they were put together but I never had to care until recently.

[@no1unorightnow]

Yeah, and this is that lock - the one that opens all the mailboxes. So you do care, because if your key didn't work in that lock, you wouldn't be able to open it.

[@froboy56001]

@@no1unorightnow no, the one that opens the unit is not the same as everyone else, our key opens EVERY box, usuallly from the top of the entire casing, also the law is more to make people think twice about doing it, heavy fines and jail time are more of a deterrent then the lock itself, high risk low reward

[@DevinDTV]

@@froboy56001 you should reread what he said because you missed the point

[@no1unorightnow]

@@froboy56001 Yes, I know. Again, *this is that lock* that the postal carriers use to open the whole batch.

[@SrFranciscoDAnconia]

“If you don’t have one of these the mail carrier isn’t allowed to deliver your mail” I have been with the Post Office for many many years, I can guarantee you that no mail carrier has ever not delivered for somebody not having one of those locks. I can also guarantee you that no Letter Carrier has ever even bothered to look to see what kind of lock you have on your box.

[@annwithaplan9766]

SrFranciscoDAnconia - I agree! I've never heard of such a thing. We just the $5. locks at the home improvement stores when needing to replace broken or lost keys in the cluster boxes. Mail lady knows me and allows me to change them out when necessary.

[@youeverseethesehandsfly5334]

While I don't doubt your expertise, it's possible he is referring to community mailboxes, like an apartment complex. It could be one of those "rules" that's not really paid attention to. Because I'm sure 99% of community mailboxes have them.

[@graham9454]

odd wording on LPLs part. I wouldn't be surprised if the letter banks being installed were required to be a specific kind, which would be at the productions selection faze in the process at those companies, not the letter carrier end of things - though that is just a guess on my part.

[@pjdambra]

Exactly. That was such a ridiculous statement. I see mail delivered to boxes without any locks at all.

[@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou]

I wouldn't be so sure. Little rules 'nobody' heeds are just the sort of thing a big company loves to enforce selectively to get rid of an employee it doesn't like, or a bloody-minded worker can enforce selectively to take revenge on a customer they've got some beef with.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I was actually positively surprised how many seconds this lasted. I was honestly expecting MasterLock level performance where brushing one's teeth is definitely harder than raking the lock.

[@kevinmiller4486]

Yea it took longer than I was expecting. Still not good but not the worst I’ve seen you open with some raking.

[@southwest7977]

I definitely brush my teeth longer than most of LPL’s videos.

[@bayupran]

I lasted on bed shorter than LPL's videos

[@RyanHarris77]

I usually fuck up and accidentally jab the end of my toothbrush into my gum line.

[@ohm1945]

@Ryan Harris If it’s any consolation, for what it’s worth, I’ve often mistaken my feeler pick for a toothpick. I have an assortment of locks that have broken pieces of splintered pine in them and I have gum disease

[@vehcor]

The fact that the government is involved, I would expect something basically useless. I am actually surprised it needed a wave rake and not just a screwdriver.

[@dudere]

Yea, but the mail police send you to federal jail. They are not fun.

[@fuckfannyfiddlefart]

You must be a LIBERTARIAN

[@scyfrix]

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8

[@Perroden]

Ya I'm sure some politician is getting money from this

[@adamlee2550]

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart I would be too if that was the only thing between a methhead and my mail.

[@dcshoeman2k4]

Locksmith here. I replace these all the time sometimes with Compx, sometimes with other brands. Exactly zero mailmen/women give a shit what is on there and exactly 0 % of them will refuse to deliver your mail because of it. In fact, it's happened a number of times that I show up to replace the lock at the same time the mailman is there and every single one of them was happy to open the main door to give me access to the U clip to slip it out. Also, if you think that the lock cylinder on these flimsy aluminum boxes is the weakest link your sorely mistaken...

[@windhelmguard5295]

yea you could probably cut them open with an old timey can opener.

[@lordjefferson1234]

Mail man here. Hes right. 100%.

[@peterf.229]

Or just do what the meth heads in my town do hit it with your truck and steal the entire cabinet and take it all home 😮

[@XSemperIdem5]

I've only ever had a mailman refuse to deliver when the lock was broken and wouldn't lock. But they didn't care what lock I replaced it with.

[@masonball5]

I’ve been picking and replacing these for 15 years as a locksmith. Takes me typically 2 minutes from starting to pick, to the lock being replaced and usable. Haven’t drilled one in years. We charge around $125 to show up, open the mailbox, and include the new lock with keys for that price. Just reference for anyone that’s wondering. Some guys will do it for less, but we have a full shop with typical small business overhead.

[@mlgpanda8693]

nobody asked

[@gikiryu]

@@mlgpanda8693 who hurt you? Thanks for the context Mason. Sounds like a good source of income.

[@krsbog]

usually don't even need it picked. Pay a small fee to the post office to have them remove the old lock by removing a clip or nut from the inside, pick up a lock at a hardware store, and install it yourself

[@masonball5]

@@krsbog our local post office doesn’t change mail box locks anymore. Good advice for others though.

[@toriless]

$100 is more typical for any lockout, maybe $110 with the cost of the lock.

[@darthjohn0]

LPL: "I'm going to use a 40 thousandths-thick turner and a wave rake" Me: "Wave rake? Uh oh..."

[@denniswoycheshen]

I knew, with 1 min left in the video, it is not looking good for this lock.

[@Zaros262]

In the lock's defense, it took him about twice as long as I expected

[@denniswoycheshen]

@@Zaros262 that's very true, but he didn't have to set any pins either. At least the core isn't plastic.

[@JackDesert]

@@denniswoycheshen At least it's not a Masterlock where you can open it with a random piece of wire zipping back and forth for about half a second.

[@neverrip7132]

🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️🥸 🥸

[@OUTFOXEM]

Me watching a movie where the Spec Ops guy picks every lock in 5 seconds: That's so unrealistic. Me watching LockPickingLawyer pick a real lock in 5 seconds: What the hell took him so long?

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Me after watching both: Maybe Hollywood is not unrealistic as i thought

[@Makron5]

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena nah it is, I don't expect troops to be grandmaster locksmiths.

[@canebro1]

To be fair, the movies usually use a single pin pick like a wave rake, and usually no turning tool...

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@Makron5 give them a breaching shotgun with some breaching rounds and they are

[@thrownsofaraway9978]

@@canebro1 Or a bobby pin off girls head that learned to open a lock once when her brother locked her out 10 years ago.

[@manusoftar]

When LPL brings up the wave rake: "Oh shit!, here we go again..."

[@tomato48]

These videos are so relaxing sometimes I put them on when I have trouble going to sleep. It really helps!

[@RealRedditt]

Whenever he brings out a rake you know it’s gonna be a massacre

[@josephnation9063]

And this one lasted longer than normal!

[@LuminalSpoon]

And the video is 2 minutes or less.

[@oh2mp]

Or just a massage to the lock :)

[@RDCST]

The rake massacre sounds like a title of a scary movie.

[@dtyn]

This lock isn’t so bad. It took LPL longer to open this than many Masterlocks.

[@joachimschoder]

A gum wrapper would take longer to open than a Masterlock

[@drthmik]

Anyone can Mambo under a pole hung off the roof of a skyscraper and doing so doesn't say anything about your flexibility or your balance

[@pietrosemifero2992]

8 seconds was much longer than I expected.

[@Violaetor]

Scrolled down looking for this comment.

[@MichaelLass]

The first thing I noticed was that it was taking a little longer than usual.

[@MrGMT1992]

Thezs videos are absolutely wild. Thanks for the info. I had no idea how un secure mostly everything is

[@tenfour10-400]

Most locks aren’t very good, and don’t have to be. All a lock really needs to do is persuade the burglar to go rob someone else. Your $500 lock will do you no more good than a $30 lock if the bad guy just smashes the glass in your door.

[@haimmaik]

Any lock that LPL picks individual pins is good enough. most other people cant do it and even if they can its not as fast.

[@eyeTHC]

@@haimmaik lol reminds me of the time I was trying to get into a pool area for a job locked with a bike lock and literally “picked” it in 30 seconds thanks to LPL. Felt so powerful. Don’t use bike locks for anything.

[@grumpykitten4566]

"a lock is only as strong as a window next to it"

[@Erideah]

While true, it doesn’t apply in this case when everyone is forced to use the same lock (which in this case thieves only need to learn once, and can then open without force in seconds) But yes, there’s a reason why locks are often described in terms of being pick- or drill “resistant”; they’re mostly an investment in deterrence that should be proportionate to their task rather than insurance against determined criminals

[@pumkin610]

Gonna need riot glass

[@SEMIA123]

So, legally, you can only use this specific kind of lock, produced by a single manufacturer and has been this way for nearly two decades. Wonder how much they spent on lobbying for that one.

[@digitalunity]

I think it was more likely a bid. The lock need would've likely been a contract, and the company that could do it the cheapest was given the job. That's usually how government issue stuff works, and it's also why having the government completely control any resource is a terrible idea. It will be done as cheaply and inefficiently as possible so your tax dollars go into a small hole in the ground where a lit match will be dropped during this year's government funding meeting and barbeque

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@@digitalunity cheaply, yes, because they theoretically care about your tax dollars. Inefficiently, only probably, because as it turn out, the people who will only cost you 5 dollars an hour to build a fence are the ones who will build a fence so shit that it will need to be replaced in 5 years, whilst the people who cost 10 dollars and hour will build one that will last for at least 15 years.

[@arnoldlueders7500]

No one's mail box in front of their house has a lock. These cheap locks are just to act as a minor deterrent to keep honest people honest.

[@Magpie_Media]

@@digitalunity I would like to add, That if the government(s) are incompetent, You're right. It is a terrible idea. A government with a brain on the other hand, in theory, Would do extremely well. The fact that there isn't one is another issue entirely.

[@BenHyle]

@@digitalunity I work in manufacturing, and we have government subcontracts. I can assure you that were were not the lowest bidder; the lowest bidder routinely fails to meet specifications for whatever reason.

[@Sophocles13]

Locksmith gets called to your PO box: "Oh that's a high security gov't lock, I'm gonna have to drill it. That'll be $400"

[@Xander1Sheridan]

locksmith actually says, "it's a federal crime for me to touch it, I'm not risking prison time for that."

[@danib1421]

Just show your receipt, ID and some paperwork and have the mail clerk hand you the mail from the other side.

[@hyperlogos]

@@danib1421 there is not a post office on the other side in this scenario

[@dylangilman]

@@danib1421 yeah that wouldn't work on an exterior box

[@AlCatrraz]

Actually... 401K...

[@bravopapa2643]

I have a question! Under that law, would you be able to replace the pins? Maybe put a few security pin in? Thanks for the awesome content. Can't wait for April 1st.

[@Antelieris1]

You yourself? No, because the office requires knowing everything about any of your locks. You can't even replace the lock on your apartment door to something more secure without letting them know first and supplying them with a copy of the key. I don't really know if the office is allowed to swap out pins or anything, but I suspect that might be considered tampering and is probably illegal. When the government does these exclusive brand deals, they tend to have a LOT of rules against modifications of any kind.

[@jakelopes2789]

I bet a government official owns that company that makes the locks

[@Noruzenchi86]

"we're gonna mount this up in the vice and give it a try" >immediately checks how long the video is >1 minute remaining to be fair, 10 seconds of raking vs 1-2 is impressive

[@mattsmocs3281]

10 seconds per box is good when its a bulk amount of boxes. Most will have junk so that should waste the criminal’s time long enough for a reaction

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@mattsmocs3281 Most of the steals are people following Amazon trucks these days, so it really doesn't protect anything.

[@KryptoKn8]

@Bloodyidit exactly, all you need is to follow/look out for whatever Amazon package you can. Imo, the best way to get your mail is (unless it's in massive quantities), is to just leave it at the closest post depot and pick it up yourself. Oh and always record yourself opening your packages, because when you have _proof_ that it was stolen during transport, SOMEONE has to come up with something to make up for it which is most of the time going to be Amazon, but sometimes also third party delivery companies like UPS or DHL

[@claytonpoole1058]

@@mattsmocs3281 You'd just open the master and all boxes are open at once.

[@mattsmocs3281]

@@claytonpoole1058 true

[@JustinColavita]

“Let’s see how difficult it is to open this lock” takes out wave rake. If I learned anything from this channel it’s that if TLPL is using a wave rake the video has 10 seconds left.

[@Gnarlf]

Jokes on you. It took him 13 seconds to open it up 🤣 At least we know it's not a MasterLock

[@mike-sk2li]

If I had this guy's skills,,, well I wouldn't have to work anymore

[@Hundeputzmunter]

As soon as I saw the wave rake, I was like, "it's really as bad as that?!"

[@matteomangone1655]

@@Gnarlf well It actually took 9, so Justin is right, but still, longer than a MasterLock

[@RaindropWorksPDX]

@@Hundeputzmunter Yeah, my thought when he pulled the wave rake was 'that bad, eh?'

[@PortugalDoor]

Imagine trusting anything the government recommends

[@an_ancient_gamer]

Man, came across these videos recently by total accident, and now I'm hooked!

[@zerogrey3798]

I've lived in some rough places and make no mistake, people who are going to steal your mail aren't going to pick the lock, they're just gonna pry the box open and most centralized mailboxes aren't even remotely secured against someone with a pry bar.

[@LatitudeSky]

Exactly. That's how they steal mail at my apartment. ALL the mailbox doors look like they have been in car accidents becuse of being repeatedly pried open, hammered back into shape, pried open again, hammered again, repeat. I have complained to the landlord and local post office. Nobody cares. A new mailbox would just get pried open the same way so there is no point in replacing it.

[@r0cketplumber]

@@LatitudeSky If I had an ongoing problem like that I'd spring a PO box at a private mail facility. _They_ actually give a damn and provide site security.

[@KingAdrock420]

But if they were actually smart they WOULD pick the lock, as that doesn't leave it obvious the box was broken into. It's orders of magnitude easier to get away with a crime if it's not reported.

[@mistertubby]

I saw a guy open an older panel with a spoon.

[@somepunk2541]

@@LatitudeSky Your Landlord probably does care but he can't do anything about it. If he puts in better more secured mailbox, the freaking Post Office will issue him a fine for using a non approved mail box and or lock. These regulations also go so far as to precisely say where these boxes can be placed and how they are placed. They would also paste a sign on the mailbox that says all tenants must retrieve their mail from the PO until an approved mailbox/lock is installed. Getting that fixed is it's own nightmare.

[@CrazedLemmingTube]

The people breaking into mailboxes aren't going to pick the lock; They just pry the door open with a screw driver. Mangled doors were a weekly event at an apartment complex I delivered to years ago. It wasn't even a particularly bad area. And no mail carrier has time to examine the locks. As long as the universal key opens the main door, they sling the mail in the slots and move on.

[@jsalsman]

If it's picked you wouldn't know.

[@sultanofsick]

how are you going to change the lock to a better one without making it incompatible with the master key?

[@starburst98]

There is one master key lock on the side and the sub locks are all different configurations using the same brand. So they are already incompatible with the master key.

[@thisaccountisntreal107]

Lockpicks are subtle but not nearly as effective as a big hammer or a pry bar

[@Jimalcoatl]

@@sultanofsick The mailbox doors are mounted on a single panel that itself is a door. The master lock opens that panel and opens all of the doors at once without unlocking them.

[@treysonthrall4616]

This guy is one of few it's rare to meet someone this knowledgeable and skilled with locks

[@johndennis3181]

One more example that our government is looking out for us.

[@AmbientSpectrum]

The first lock I ever picked “in the field” was a mail lock for my friend who lost his mail key and needed his mail-order prescription. I always joked it was my “fifteen second felony”

[@haczyk84]

I opened this kind of lock jigling it with key from other lock ;)

[@magosauxilliarusy2k4theomn98]

@SnackDestroyer no, some people can get medication by mail

[@mrgw98]

@@haczyk84 I didn't think opening a lock by "picking" could get any more pathetic. This made me laugh out loud at how pathetic it was.

[@epiclod9136]

@@mrgw98 peepeepoopoo

[@AmbientSpectrum]

@@haczyk84 I’ve found getting in to lock picking that I say the phrase “well that’s terrifying” a lot. Like the first time I tried a lishi tool.

[@jezmaloan]

LPL- "I'm going to use a forty thousandths thick turner..." Me- "Okay, seems pretty normal." LPL- "...And a wave rake..." Me- "OH NO."

[@oldRighty1]

It actually held out for a few seconds there.

[@singlespeeder]

Actually a 50 thousandth. Which was different than the normal 40.

[@jezmaloan]

@@singlespeeder He said forty in the video, so if it's different, I just didn't notice.

[@michaeldeitrick7383]

I was expecting a jiggler...

[@stonebear]

SAAAAAAAME. I was shocked it lasted as long as it did, I was expecting Master-141-level badness when he brought out the rake.

[@zekebohannon6058]

Just got mine open in about 4 minutes. Thanks LPL!

[@pauldarling330]

Of course, for the vast majority of our country's history, all mailboxes were unlocked. The lock isn't the problem. The scumbags are the problem.

[@somepixelynerd]

I'm sure that's true, but doesn't that apply to any lock?

[@johngreen6643]

Yes! Hit that one right on the money! Imagine how much easier many things would be if it weren't for them damn scumbags.

[@jeffreyfreeland5942]

There are also a lot of mailboxes still out there with no locks. A mailbox lock mostly just serves as an extra step plus requiring intent I suppose. Which is kinda okay I guess. If we want to invest in security, something digital might be better. Though then you just trade a lock picking lawyer for a hacker lawyer, since secure software tends to require regular updates, and we all know how that goes.

[@jeffhall768]

I've never seen or had a locked mailbox outside of major cities or apartment complexes. I've also never had anything stolen outside of major cities and apartment complexes and I only lived there for 3 years lol

[@kuro19382]

​@@jeffreyfreeland5942Depends on the application. I'm pretty sure you could install a digital lock without making it noticeable from the outside, so you could connect your phone to it and pretty much have a secure mailbox, at least against 99% of the possible attackers. Only downside is that if it ever stops working you might need to break the entire thing open. You might think "that isn't safe because people can hack those locks!" or find any other exploits (like the common magnet exploit), but anyone trying to steal your mail will have no idea that you have this lock installed, they weren't prepared for it and most likely don't think it is worth the effort. So unless it is a targeted attack and someone REALLY wants to get your mail, you don't need to worry about software updates or anything else really... Ofc this would change if it becomes common practice, but by that time there would be proper solutions for you to choose from.

[@contournut5726]

It's worth pointing out that this replaces literally no locking mechanism at all for most of us suburbanites. The worst part is that they're horrid to use. He can pick this faster than I can open mine with a legitimate key :(.

[@Llortnerof]

Maybe you've been using the wrong key?

[@nigh_anxiety]

@@Llortnerof the keys and pins wear down. And in winter sometimes they get water inside and freeze up.

[@jjjacer]

@@nigh_anxiety yep i had that happen to our mailbox before they replaced it with a newer ones with newer locks, although as we never got spare keys i ended up 3d printing a spare that actually worked when the legit key failed (had less wear as it was an unused spare, so im guessing the fit was better) also very easy to pick with an unskilled attack as i later had tried.

[@funnyfarm5555]

Use a lubricant called Tri-flow. It keeps locks from freezing and lasts longer than others. Field tested by myself. Retired from Post office and changed out many of these locks and tri-flow unstuck many; if not then replaced lock with new one. I would lube every lock in unit when fixing a lock that would not open. As another said here; locks only keep honest people out. There were customers who lost their keys and then tried to scam us in getting a free lock change. If they did not give us a key when making a repair request in person or meet us at the box with a key, then we would not change the lock until fee was paid at post office. There are more scam stories, but for another day.

[@MyWaifuNow]

get a rake and use that as your key

[@saucelicker]

Lock are designed and will only ever keep honest people honest. You've proven on your channel that even the industry meant to be security minded cannot be bothered to do so. Best security for your belongings is same as the original internet security. Men with rifles standing outside network closets lol. Love your content. Thank you for all you do for lock sport and educating the public about the lack of security in these "security devices"

[@Xidphel]

I'm the government! I'm the government! I'm the reason nothing works!

[@MhxAir]

I'm honestly surprised the government mandatory locks aren't just a public bathroom door slide lock

[@JonathanCoates89]

🤣

[@r0cketplumber]

Or a Masterlock, same diff.

[@thelistener1268]

Not much difference regardless.

[@OneHitWonder383]

In this case, it is.

[@bigsmall246]

They give the contract to whichever supplier knows the most politicians

[@JFryed420]

I worked for the post office as a letter carrier and I was never told to not deliver mail if someone changed the lock on their box. You don’t just open every box at a centralized box location you open the entire face and all the boxes are open at once

[@fuckyouhassa]

Yeah I was maintenance at a post office and we changed those of the want us to . Otherwise they can change their own or call their landlords if it’s aprtemtnts. Usually the landlord would give them one key and keep the other two. If it’s a neighborhood with a gang unit they have to buy their own locks . They can call us to open it can they can put their own cheap lock on it if they want to.

[@furgulley8077]

Absolutely agree. The arrow key is the only lock I fool with. I personally wouldn't know or pay attention to what lock the customer has on their end. The only time I wouldn't deliver mail is if the box door was open or missing or if the box is filled to the point no more mail will fit.

[@stanleyshostak2737]

@@furgulley8077 I have wondered how secure the arrow keys are. They seem both old school secure and cheap at the same time.

[@nolansprojects2840]

The boxes at the only two apartments I’ve lived in, the mailman has to open each box individually with a master key. That’s probably why the law is this way.

[@charlespearce4599]

Considering this is federaI gov , i highly suspect this is due to a backroom deal that specifically benefits the pockets of certain people. Do the research and find out whom it is by seeing whom was responsible for creating this law and finding out what relation they have to those in the company that makes this lock, or follow the paper trail of which corporate entities own another corporate entity that owns this subsidiary that owns this company, and youre going to either end up with a friend or family member, or connected business associate,of those that made the law, real high up in this company.

[@OzTortoise]

Another higher security lock can be used together with this lock if the law does not say this is the only lock that your mailbox can have. It means your mailbox will have two locks and so mails can still be legally delivered to your mailbox because this law-required lock is there.

[@davefoc]

We owned an apartment building for 30 years or so. I was completely unaware of this rule. We never had the post office refuse to deliver mail to our mailboxes, even though I routinely bought the cheap knock locks instead of the more expensive locks. One thing, that I didn't notice until nearly the time we sold the building, the cheap knockoff locks used the same key when I bought them at the same hardware store.

[@MaxwellVador]

It’s weird because we don’t even open that lock when we deliver mail. We use an ARROW key that opens the entire bank of boxes not the individual box.

[@DevilMousey]

whenever ONE company is designated by a GOVERNMENT to do X, you can bet your ass there's some sweet kickback to be had

[@jimellis1496]

And when someone wants to break into a box, they don't bother attacking the lock, they just use a screwdriver to pry the door open.

[@aliabdallah102]

The federal government is incompetent. In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue.

[@derkaturka]

He is on the side of the lease of the po box, not the employed by the post office. Maybe his next vid, lol.

[@Ssarevok]

@@jimellis1496 But then at least the victim of mail theft has proof that someone tampered with the mail.

[@john_john_john]

"How good is the lock the government forces you to use?" "I'm going to use a wave rake..."

[@davidfrend]

"I'm going to use a 40 thousandths thick turner..." Don't say wave rake, don't say wave rake, don't say wave rake. "And this wave rake." GOD DAMMIT!

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

I was surpeised it wasn't a wafer lock and he did not use something to jiggle it open.

[@alfreh192]

Thanks! Now I can steal my neighbors mail!

[@georgew.5639]

That’s what the meaning of good enough for government work is all about.

[@daggern15]

When the bar is set at "one second more resistant than Masterlock" you know there's an issue.

[@thomaswill37]

Yes. But also the thin sheet metal doors and the latch are not exactly high security. And the standard suburban mail box has 0 security measures.

[@bltsxz8196]

@@thomaswill37 The Hog Rider is a fast ground troop with medium hitpoints, low damage, and the ability to jump over enemy Walls. He is unlocked at level 2 Dark Barracks. The Hog Rider (person) is a bare-chested dark-skinned man holding a hammer. He has a mohawk, wears a brown leather loincloth, a red belt, and a pair of leather sandals, as well as two large golden wristbands and a gold earring. His ride is a large hog, about half his height. It has a brown leather bridle looped around its tusks, which in turn is held by the Hog Rider. Hog Riders prioritize defensive structures above all other targets, and will bypass all other types of enemy buildings and troops while any defenses remain on the battlefield. This is true even if they are under attack by enemy Clan Castle troops, heroes or Skeleton Trap skeletons. Note that like all troops that prioritize defenses, Hog Riders do not consider the Clan Castle to be a defense regardless of whether or not it contains enemy troops, but do consider the defending Grand Warden and the activated Town Hall weapon (if any) to be defensive buildings. Once all defenses are destroyed, Hog Riders become like any other troop with no preferred target; they will attack the nearest building to them regardless of type, and will turn and attack enemy units if they become aware of any nearby. Strategy Offensive He can be used to jump over any level Walls, rendering them ineffective against Hog Riders. Note that while this allows Hog Riders free access to what lies behind the Walls, it does not open up gaps for other troops to move through. If the Hog Riders need the support of other ground troops, you will still need to deploy Wall Breakers, a Jump Spell, or Earthquake Spells in order to assist them. Hog Riders can be used en masse, i.e. a "Hog Rider Rush", without requiring any Wall Breakers to break Walls. However, such a strategy can be costly in terms of Dark Elixir, and sports weaknesses against defending Clan Castle troops, Heroes, Giant Bombs, and Skeleton Traps, a problem which only becomes more prominent at higher levels. At Town Hall 10 and above, Hog Riders can be combined with Miners in a strategy known as Hog Miner or Hybrid. Both troops are able to bypass Walls innately, but Miners do not have a preferential target, allowing them to cover for Hog Riders by dealing with defending Heroes and Skeleton Traps. The combination also has weaknesses against flying Clan Castle troops, as neither are able to target air. At lower levels, Hog Riders are quite capable of acting as distracting troops like Giants; they have nearly as much health as a similar-level Giant, move twice as fast, and do considerably more damage. They work well with the Healing Spell when you group several of them together. A good tactic for using Healing Spells is to place them strategically on a cluster of defenses (at least about 3 or more) and also deploy them shortly before the Hog Riders arrive in the area, i.e. deploy them ahead of the Hog Riders. This is so that the Hog Riders get the most out of the Healing Spell, and destroy the defenses without losing too much HP. Spots where Giant Bombs or Bomb Towers are/may be should be given special attention when deploying Healing Spells. Hogs of the same level as the Giant Bomb will survive a single Giant Bomb, but they're helpless against a pair of Giant Bombs even with a Healing Spell. Heal them after they've gone through a Giant Bomb blast. The Hog Rider is one of the best troop types for drawing out Clan Castle troops, as it can avoid Walls to penetrate deep enough to reach centrally-placed Clan Castles (and enough health to not die before it gets there). Deploy one or a few to trigger the Clan Castle troops, then lure the reinforcement troops to the corner side, and deploy multiple Archers or Wizards to slaughter them, and then deploy the remainder of your Hog Riders. This strategy is especially effective during Clan War raids. However, Skeletons from the Skeleton Trap and Heroes can also easily kill the Hog Riders, as they can only target defenses, so make sure to have some troops that target anything, such as Wizards, which can swipe out the Skeletons. Hog Riders don't target air so flying Clan Castle troops, especially Dragons, can be a big threat. Most mass Hog Rider strategies in Clan Wars require that the Clan Castle troops be killed first by luring. Bring other troops in addition to Hog Riders, such as Wizards, to deal with enemy Clan Castle troops and clean up the base. Poison Spells can be used to kill almost any enemy Clan Castle troop, but beware as the troops will attempt to flee the poison. If the Poison Spells are decently leveled, and you effectively keep the Clan Castle troops from escaping the Poison Spell with distracting troops, they can eliminate almost any troop. They can also be used to dispense of those pesky Skeletons risen from the Skeleton Traps. Time is also a factor to consider. With only 3 minutes in an attack, it is essential to make sure that this whole process and the remainder of the attack is done as quickly as possible to avoid running out of time. Defensive Defending against Hog Riders is tricky, as their ability to bypass Walls renders them irrelevant. However, the fact that they can jump over Walls and attack defenses means that they may leave behind their ground support (such as Barbarians, etc.), as they will not be able to follow. This will allow your interior defenses to concentrate on the Hog Riders. Another way to defend against Hog Riders is to exploit the fact that they will attack the closest defensive building. You can arrange your base in such a way so that you have high-powered defenses on the inside and lower-powered defense on the outside, with a layer of resources in between. That way, the Hogs will (in theory) complete a loop around your base before being able to attack your interior defenses (Inferno Towers, X-Bows, etc.), by which time they should have all been killed by the interior defenses. You can place Spring Traps and Giant Bombs in between defensive buildings to take out a few Hog Riders at a time; good usage of multiple Spring Traps and Giant Bombs can severely hinder a Hog Rider rush. Hog Riders can be easily killed using "forced pathing". Forced pathing is a strategy that manipulates the Hog Rider AI and makes them go to at least 2 defenses that cannot be prevented by surgical dropping or side clearing. Placing a set of Giant Bombs in between the two can most certainly hinder the attacker progress. They would not be able to heal the Hog Riders in time. Clan Castle troops, Heroes, and Skeleton Traps set to Ground Mode can be an annoyance to mass Hog Rider raids, as Hog Riders will not attack them unless all defenses have been destroyed. Make sure to centralize them if you want to beat Hog Riders. In Clan Wars, Dragons are excellent troops to place in Clan Castles against Hog Riders, especially for Town Halls 8 and 9. They have high HP, meaning they won't die easily and can kill mass quantities of Hog Riders swiftly if not properly lured. Most mass Hog Rider strategies require that the enemy Clan Castle troops be killed first, so if the attacker lures out a Dragon, but fails to kill it, then a 3-star win is next to impossible, much less a 1-star win via destroying 50% of the buildings. Multi-target Inferno Towers can be a severe hindrance to Hog Riders, having high HP to take several hits from Hog Riders, while hitting large groups of them. Although the Hog Rider is certainly not a liability on defense, the fact that all defensive troops are unimpeded by Walls negates the primary advantage of the Hog Rider. Still, for the space they take they are faster and more damaging compared to Giants. Upgrade Differences The Hog Rider undergoes significant visual changes at levels 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Initially, the Hog Rider is a dark-skinned man with a black mohawk and beard. He also has a gold earring in his right ear and sports two heavy golden wristbands, a red belt, and a brown loincloth. The Hog Rider's hammer has two brass bands. At level 3, his hammer increases in size and turns black. The brass bands on the hammer's head disappear, and the hammerhead goes further down onto the stick, creating a button looking object on the top of the hammerhead. At level 5, his mohawk turns from black to orange, making it similar to that of a level 5 Goblin. At level 6, his hammer gains three large, golden spikes and a bronze plating. At level 7, the edges of his hammer start to glow red, and he gains a brown headband but reverts to a black mohawk. At level 8, his hammer is now mostly golden. His hog also gains a headband. At level 9, the gold on his hammer is much thicker. His headband also lightens in color. At level 10, his hammer turns a bright light blue color that resembles the look of ice. This matches the theme of Town Hall 13. It also gains a small same-colored glow. At level 11, his hammer turns a light greenish color. This matches the theme of Town Hall 14. His hog gains gold armour on its face and muzzle.

[@daggern15]

@@thomaswill37 True but it takes more noticeable effort to cut or tear into that sheet metal than jiggling a wavy piece of metal in that lock.

[@shelby6745]

I'm actually surprised the rake took that long, I've had to rake every mail lock I've had at least once, it usually opens just putting it in. I bet its probably because these locks see a lot of use and wear down over the years. I wouldn't be surprised if you could open some with just a turning tool, some of the keys I've had aren't much more than a rectangular piece of metal

[@pguth98]

Yeah, the key for mine doesn't do much more than provide a grip to turn the lock.

[@EliranC]

@@pguth98 Hi, where do you live? asking for a friend! :P

[@tybera1114]

@@EliranC It doesn't matter, if you steal mail, you get an FBI agent, not local police, knocking down your door, even if you just got junk mail. The vast majority of people don't have that much value going through their mailbox and most all of those mailboxes have cameras on them 24/7. It would be wiser to just steal someone's wallet or purse, you have a better chance of getting something of value, with significantly less risk.

[@sfmc98]

@@tybera1114 It's actually postal inspectors and the reality is that they are focused on a lot of other things besides mail theft. But maybe the threat is a mild deterrent for some crooks.

[@purplepason]

@@tybera1114 Think it was a joke mate.

[@redredrum6838]

"We're from the government, and we're here to help."

[@edic2619]

Great information.

[@DanielDaniel1]

As a company, having your product become legally required for every address in the country is a huge win

[@SimonASNG]

Yup, I'm sure they pay their lawyers and lobbyists more than their engineering team.

[@neutron7]

It's not corruption when you call a bribe a "donation"

[@traestuart384]

For them and their politician buddy who's getting their palm greased for making it a mandate.

[@user-rv9vk8by5i]

@Author Falling I think you missed the part where he said this is the only authorised manufacturer. Even if you made compliant locks, you'd have to go through an authorisation process, which I doubt you'd pass given the monopoly they have. Not to mention, have you any idea of business and monopolies? Why buy your lock when people can buy the same one they've been buying for 15 years and is already in almost every apartment block?

[@frederikbrandt424]

It’s called a monopoly

[@Autoskip]

"And I'm going to use a wave rake" Me - "Wow, it's doomed" Me 5 seconds into an 8 second raking attack - "huh, it's sturdier than I expected"

[@BarisHalac]

You sir! You make me to buy a lockpicking set. And Its not easy to do it. You sir, you made lockpicking look easy... And I am trying to improve my lockpicking skills. Its a new and fun hobby for me and thank you :) Love from TR :D

[@cameronbruscino6687]

Appears to still be better than high security Masterlock

[@bkaufman91]

I’m a mail carrier, and I can guarantee almost no mail carrier will notice if you changed out your lock. We open the entire face or the back of the box unit with a specific postal key so we never handle individual customer locks.

[@jacobryan458]

I'm a carrier. And nope I don't care of you weld your box or leave it wide open, As long as my key works the mail is going in.

[@wthigo77]

Ya but there is always that one guy. You know who I'm talking about.

[@catchall-dc8lx]

I believe the lock he's talking about is the shared one you're using. They don't care what locks are used for the individual doors, just shared package doors and shared access locks.

[@ArikaYumemiya-BlackDragon1045]

if your own the box like hoa or apartments it is your box you can choose what lock you like. as long their government locks can fit and work. if you really think about it my mail box have no locks so why are they still delivering to individual mailboxes without locks? if the cluster boxes belong to the post office then its the post office responsibility to deal with the box.

[@mattb9343]

Lmao, that just means the mail thief just has to open that one lock and steal everyone's mail at one time. How about one-way rotating drop cylinders for carrier side and security pin-disc detainer locks for recipient side instead?

[@MrTheDif]

We're from the government and we're here to help.

[@robmitch4085]

I'm amazed how much effort you actually put in. I've managed to get those things open by just using a magnetic blank key. Only thing those locks stop is someone with good morals.

[@ShadeKirby500]

"I'm going to use a 4000 stick turner, and a wave rake." Oh god, he's using a rake, get your shit together man

[@briant7265]

Government: Everyone must have a minimum standard level of security. Effect: Everyone has a minimum level of security. See also, TSA.

[@jakegarrett8109]

When they get a "shall not exceed" and "shall exceed" confused, lol!

[@l3p3]

They set the maximum too, in many areas...

[@druncle1977]

Sounds like socialism..

[@MaxC_1]

@@l3p3 and that's when breaking laws is very justified if those bastards think they can tell you what is the maximum level of security you can have

[@MAP233224]

@@druncle1977 sounds like an incompetent government is all What does the murican know about socialism when they don't even have universal healthcare lmao

[@brettzolstick989]

The statement "This is the lock that you must use" is inherently a security risk.

[@jakegarrett8109]

To criminal: This is the key that you must use, $1.99 on Amazon...

[@fredwupkensoppel8949]

And then there are politicians who want to force software developers to put a backdoor in their software. Even IF you have complete trust that the government isn't gonna abuse this, the key can and will fall into the wrong hands and then everyone is screwed because everyone has that backdoor.

[@jakegarrett8109]

@@fredwupkensoppel8949 windows in a nutshell. It's so many backdoors it's more like a lonely gate without a fence around it, or a "house" with only a lonely front door standing on bare concrete foundation. It's easier to accidentally get into than use the keys even if you own the locks on the door, when you can just step around it. That practice is unbelievable terrible, and to think there are still some companies that run Windows servers! It's scary how they insist on poor security when that kind of stuff runs all the banks, the voting, people's livelihoods. It's bad enough when it's just a game, but that practice is has made everything insecure.

[@fredwupkensoppel8949]

@@jakegarrett8109 I do like to use Unix-like systems, but Windows isn't the devil either. You can make it safe enough for the few things you have to use a Windows server for. I'm glad that my company almost exclusively uses Open Source software on our IT infrastructure. Sure, it might not be as fancy or easy to use as a proprietary "trust us, it's safe"-solution and comes with no warranty, but damn it, it's worth the hassle. Most critical CVEs don't cause more than a raised eyebrow and a concerned double-check just in case.

[@jakegarrett8109]

​@@fredwupkensoppel8949 It pretty much is though, I know a high school student who created a program that could without a password control any Windows computer connected to the internet (just give it an IP target address, you could give it random ones but for legal reasons we tested on computers of friends who gave verbal consent). It could: File transfer both ways, execute any program (yes, you could transfer anything to it and then execute the program), log users out, shutdown system, or my personal favorite was spamming the mouse to 0,0 coordinate and crashing or locking the system by spam opening every application or game they had and apparently spamming 0,0 (bottom left) meant the normal CTRL+SHFT+ESC or CTRL+ALT+DEL would almost click off task manager so you couldn't stop the programs launching. You could download pictures, you know anything you wanted, plant pictures too... All without a password! We never found a firewall or anti-virus that could stop it, and it could be anywhere in the world (we only tested in the US because we didn't know anyone outside the US that would be willing, but I assume it would work globally). It was designed because Windows Home Group was so awful and difficult to share video games even when you knew the passwords, so this absolutely tiny program was created AND you don't even need to have the slave/target computer to have anything installed besides Windows. They would never even know you did anything unless you planted files on purpose. Now, I know what you're thinking, surely M$ fixed this right? I mean, something that affected Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 (maybe 11, haven't tested 11) surely they would fix something like that right? No... I tried, they were more interested in adding emojis to M$ Word and Email than fix actual issues. So no, its not secure. Now have I tested it on the "secure" computers at work, no, obviously I'd lose a security clearance and be in jail in a heartbeat (if they caught me, the chance of that would be insanely low, but I frankly don't care because I already have access to that and to me its boring work stuff, I feel 0 need to study unpaid on stuff I frankly have little interest in). So maybe in terms of a TS network (which should be isolated away from the internet), maybe then you could call Windows "secure", but I still wouldn't call it that.

[@BlindMango]

Well the bright side is if someone breaks into my unsecured mailbox they can do me a favor and remove all the spam mail that USPS puts into it each week

[@thecyberquake618]

Well that's nice given in Vegas most housing areas have centralized boxes with that lock. No wonder they are always broken into.

[@ChiefofSinnersThoughIBe]

The good news is mostly every mailbox is only filled with spam mail or bills. Another point to make: many neighborhoods across America have single mailboxes without any locking mechanism at all, not that this lock is necessarily an upgrade from that, but it shows the lack of security required to begin with.

[@yunglynda1326]

yeah want my spam mail go ahead lmao🤣

[@lightingthief4482]

Also shows that there really no serious need for security for mail since those are not sought after as much.Packages on the other hand is another issue on it's own, which leads to being safer than sorry with a locked mailbox

[@NoahKPeters]

@@lightingthief4482 Unfortunately package security will almost always be entirely upon the customer To take care of, As you need a good amount of space and possibly a Lock Box to ensure that your packages do not get stolen

[@TroyBrophy]

Thank you for your sensible response. Usually that sort of thing isn't welcome in comments. The lock is only there because an entire array of mailboxes is located together, and it would be common for tenants to accidentally access the wrong box. The lock only has to be sophisticated enough to prevent me from mindlessly opening the wrong box. Ironically, most of the people working themselves into a lather over this have a lockless mailbox on a post right out on the road in front of their house.

[@calvinthedestroyer]

My porch has a security camera on the mailbox. Still had someone try to steel stuff!

[@Noxlla]

I’m a mail carrier and honestly since we don’t open the individual lock, we open the entire panel to access all the boxes at once, we sure as hell wouldn’t notice if you replaced your mail lock. Haha!

[@powerbeast5691]

Thats good. Being illegal is still not a nice feeling, even if they are unlikely to catch you. They need to abolish 95% of all laws. Just keep the constitution.

[@camden666]

@@powerbeast5691 Weird I feel like it's the opposite

[@tristancoffin]

@@camden666 so we need to keep the fact it is illegal to walk your rooster down main street in Littleton Colorado on a sunday?

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

@@tristancoffin if you didnt try to walk it into traffic then it wouldnt be illigal in the first place. Dont complain about rules of which you are the cause that rule even exist

[@nicolassilvagni7909]

@Nox because you think the master lock for the whole panel is more secure ?

[@kaidenrogers]

Now that's some good 'ol American Freedom

[@kbh95207]

What's sickening is that 2023-2024, there's a severe shortage of these locks causing back log. People living in new apartment complexes are waiting for these to be installed on their community mailboxes. Could be months or even up to a year before they're received. Yet at the same time the USPS is now looking at an electronic version of these locks as well. For now, tenants have to pay $56.00 a month for a PO BOX until the USPS figures this whole lock debacle out.

[@Zagadka06]

I appreciate this. As someone who has responsibilities that range into building security semi-regularly in extremely glad that all our mailboxes are inside a secured lobby and are on camera 24-hours. And after pulling security footage dozens of times for various things I can also say that if it only takes seconds per lock I'll problem be having more conversation explaining that I can show what happened and still not stop it. Thanks for the info, you do good work.

[@trequor]

*secured* building

[@Zagadka06]

@@trequor Haha, fair enough, but if you want a real zinger you can point out that my phone chose "in" instead of I'm and I didn't notice it before posting.

[@ccalogero6074]

The residents are sometimes the ones doing the stealing.

[@Zagadka06]

@@ccalogero6074 Yeah, I hear you. Years ago that was an issue here. Recently it's more about not holding the door open for strangers. People think they are being polite and neighborly, hold the door for someone entering a they themselves are leaving and that person picks up a package and walks away with it. It's hard in apartments where you're neighbors change often and new faces are rarely a red flag.

[@ccalogero6074]

@@Zagadka06 I had to switch from free USPS shipping to FedEx as my medications kept on being stolen. If I cannot sign our concierge or office manager signs.

[@RobertKreegier]

As a rural resident without any lock on my mailbox, I feel attacked.

[@spannerworx7106]

Mines a box with a flap on about half mile from my house.

[@dudere]

When I delivered mail to rural boxes I can say it was so much nicer to deliver to non-locked rural boxes. The lockboxes were hard to get things into. I had to make the choice of stuffing makeup in a small lockbox or walking 2 miles down a private road to a doorstep. And you just know there are dogs.

[@GryphonBrokewing]

Less opportunity for thieves in rural locations. If you're driving five miles between mailboxes that may or may not have something worth stealing and the neighbors all know each others' vehicles, the risk to reward is way lower than in an apartment where you could go through 20 or 50 unlocked mailboxes in a few minutes and no one would be the wiser.

[@johnsmithe4656]

The downside of rural mail boxes is high school boys with alcohol, a car, and a baseball bat. Ain't no lock and key going to fix that.

[@SupersuMC]

@@johnsmithe4656 Having been the victim of such an attack twice, I can testify to this. And the first time was on one the previous residents had painted with a desert scene. :-(

[@rightslip8345]

It’s how government leaders in positions of power make their friends and families wealthy.

[@a_c_v]

Meanwhile, in Canada, the post office also does something like this... But they contracted Abloy to supply the locks.

[@coltenreb6053]

“Locks keep honest people honest” You hear it your whole life but don’t really take it serious until you watch these videos

[@traestuart384]

There are better locks and there dang sure aren't many lock picking lawyers. He sure makes it look easy!

[@killerb255]

10-80-10 rule of thumb. 10% of all people will never _______. 80% of all people will do _____ if they had an opportunity (they perceive that the benefits--social, economic, etc.--outweigh the risks). 10% of all people will do _____ regardless of risk. In this case the _____ is "break into whatever's locked" and steal. This is just a rule of thumb, and the numbers are not exact. The 10s just mean "a small portion" and the 80s "a large portion."

[@frederikbrandt424]

No it keeps out idiot thieves who don’t know how to pick a lock, which is like 90% of them. Honest people don’t even try to open a strangers doors regardless of there being a lock.

[@VKURDR]

these mailbox locks are actually the first things ive practiced trying to open, because they were so commonly found on the ground discarded when new people move in at apartments.

[@JackDesert]

my apartments has 200 residences and 2000 of these locks. They get randomly rotated in and out. If they can't reuse it down the road, it gets filled with liquid weld and thrown into the trash. One of the few things that I like about them. frugal but paranoid about lockpicks

[@sirdiealott]

As someone who has carried mail, I guarantee there is no carrier who cares what the lock on your box is as long as it doesn't interfere with the mail somehow. Postal management is equally unlikely to care. They aren't even likely to notice if you changed it. I can give a specific example where someone replaced with an improper lock and we never noticed until the complex had to do a shuffling of all the locks, and when we got to that one we were like "wait a minute..." On top of this, the picking is actually not the weakest point of these locks. A part that is not shown in this video is. The piece of sheet metal that does the actual "locking" is easily bent. I never saw picked locks, but I saw a LOT of them with this part bent from the box being pried open. If you have a lock like this, try a thicker piece of sheet metal or multiple pieces to make it harder to bend. @lockpickinglawyer, I'm not sure if you can get one, because people get quite upset if these are not properly disposed of. But there is a special lock that the Post Office uses to secure the main opening mechanism of these boxes you might give a try to see how secure you find them. *EDIT: Since this is getting a lot of interest, another thing occurred to me. The number of keys for these locks is pretty limited, or maybe this is just a symptom of the security problem. As I said above, we moved some locks around and people were used to their boxes being in a certain spot. As a result, some people put the wrong keys into the wrong locks and a few of them worked. We found out about this because someone who didn't get the memo about the box change complained they kept getting their neighbor's mail. :)

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

Great advice, thanks!

[@BraanFlakes08]

Thanks for being honest about this. Even if for some reason mine does get questioned and asked to be removed I would rather secure my belongings better for as long as possible

[@-danR]

"...the main opening mechanism ..." Exactly what we have in this apartment. And now I'm afraid to give them a closer look, because looking leads to more curiosity, and curiosity leads to experimentation...

[@LunaliBrighteyes]

As someone who lives in the US, I guarantee that there are mail carriers that would gladly take any excuse they can get to not have to deliver your mail. As for the weak point of the lock, absolutely. I know on my mailbox the latch is just barely long enough to keep it from opening, using just a little bit of force you could easily open it without turning the lock.

[@Sadowsky46]

It should not be called sheet metal but shit metal 😉

[@noclu4u384]

Some lawmakers family obviously owns that lock manufacturing company .

[@svensorensen7693]

Me: "Well, it's government, so it's probably not very-" LPL: *grabs wave rake* Me: "oh."

[@microcam6375]

your guess is right. It is a very cheap lock.

[@timtarbet4594]

I mean, it’s government. I’m surprised it didn’t just pop open from the turner.

[@deanevangelista6359]

I was a mailman for 16 years. No carrier cares what kind of lock a citizen has on their mailbox. In fact, the letter carrier loads the centralized mail boxes via a master key, usually from behind the wall in which the boxes are mounted. Even if the box is opened from the front, as is the case in many “garden” apartments, the carrier wouldn’t even notice, nor care.

[@gentlemansbusa2985]

This is what I tried say earlier I'm a rural carrier and while our CBU's are accessed in the front both by carrier and resident. The carrier still could give 2 hoots what lock you use just as long as there is a lock on it so their not responsible.

[@deanevangelista6359]

@@gentlemansbusa2985 And their box is emptied regularly.

[@gentlemansbusa2985]

@@deanevangelista6359 I'm in my case reading this thinking shit wonder how many people picked up yesterday's crap XD.

[@Handlessuck1]

@BLU XD

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

While I'm sure it's true that the mail carrier doesn't care it remains, I'm sure, that if this lock is required by law if you live in an apartment complex with centralized locked mailboxes that's the lock the owner/manager will buy, and I doubt most people will think twice about it so long as it has any lock. I'm sure it wouldn't effect many people anyway. I would say it's a law worth changing except then landlords would probably use and even cheaper lock that won't even take that long to rake...

[@ericquattlebum5322]

When I moved into a neighborhood about 6 years ago, the previous tenant to the house I lived and had lost the mailbox key, I called the post office they said you can get any mailbox lock at the hardware store.

[@babydriver8134]

The government is not here to help anyone but themselves.

[@bj00rn]

I live in Norway, and here basically 95% of the mailboxes are without a lock. They even have hooks to put packages and similar on the side of the mailbox, even if the mailbox is outside. Still haven't had anything stolen in my life. Just thought that was funny to think about when watching this video about security on mailboxes.

[@erik31416]

Growing up in a small city in the US it was similar, when postal delivery was made to every house individually. Now almost every new housing development (both apartments and separated houses) will have mailboxes in groups. There are usually at least 16-20 on a pedestal box for a street or neighborhood, up to several hundred in a public gazebo/shelter for an entire apartment complex. Being able to swipe 100+ families mail at once is a much more lucrative target for thieves than having to walk door to door.

[@samuelcarstens6152]

Really? Suddenly dirty old Norway has less criminality than USA? I dare say, check your facts sir.

[@psirvent8]

@@samuelcarstens6152 Yes, it's a known fact, indeed. Even their prisons are better, in a nutshell, low security prisons are literally that, some not even having bars and yet few people actually escape from them. Why ? Google that !

[@matthiasvanderaa4870]

@@samuelcarstens6152 not sure if serious🤔

[@robertromero8094]

I have a ring. We connect with the neighbors. Half of the feed is stolen package videos lol

[@solarseraph]

From the time he put the tools in it took him twice as long as I expected. A whole ten seconds.

[@WhatAreYouBuyen]

Ours broke so we replaced the locking mechanism with a business card taped on the inside of the door, worked just as well!

[@SorrelYT]

Another way to get past this lock; when they’re actually in a mailbox you can take a wrench and literally turn the entire lock because they’re not secured in any way.

[@leviprinz7810]

I’ve seen a lot of mail theft and vandalism working for the post office. With enough determination you defiantly can break any lock. The strongest lock in the world is only as strong as the person holding the key. I’ve seen people literally cut the base of an NBU and dump it some where after getting all the contents inside.

[@josephking6515]

@@leviprinz7810 What's an *NBU?*

[@SuperSpecies]

@@josephking6515 indeed... good question.

[@nickcarey4566]

@@josephking6515 According to Google, “New Bulgarian University,” and also “Nätverksbaserade Underrättelsetjänsten.” I hope that helps.

[@josephking6515]

@@nickcarey4566 Thank you.

[@Raw5five]

the 'security' is in the fact that if you mess with the mail enough, a postal inspector will show up, and if caught , you go to a federal magistrate. The lock only exists like many locks, as a basic deterrent. The rest is FAFO

[@gothnate]

That's not how it works. If you're caught, yes, you will go to jail. If you aren't caught in the act by either witness or surveillance footage, nothing will happen to you. A "Postal Inspector" doesn't show up to see about a busted lock. The mail carrier will report it for repair, and will likely be the one to repair it. Especially in rural areas.

[@izzywizzy685]

Yeah the postal service is a joke when it comes to security among other things. I once had a package I mailed to Canada and I received a letter that said the package was on a truck that had caught fire destroying all contents, it listed my tracking number among other pertinent info. Much to say the person I was sending it to in Canada actually got the package before the letter was even sent or received. It wasn’t burned or anything either. I did verify that a usps truck had caught fire and nothing survived according to the news report but I have no idea why they thought my package was on it though. I watched a documentary years ago on Netflix I think it was called going postal that really opened my eyes on how the postal system works but more than anything I learned how cruel grown adults can be to others.

[@Raw5five]

@@gothnate I was a rural mail carrier, and that’s literally how it works. If a lock gets enough reports they will investigate. Like the other comment with the stolen laptop, it is clear the system is not great.

[@stankobarabata2406]

@Joe Duke Then they owe you a full compensation of it's cost, no?

[@bensoncheung2801]

@Joe Duke I'm curious about that too.

[@ClearAdventure]

When LPL goes for a jog in the neighborhood, just out of respect, all the doors unlock themselves.

[@HolldollMcG]

I need to get a kit and start learning. Recently paid over $300 to get a locksmith out to help my friend bust into her car and subsequently her apartment.

[@man_on_wheelz]

"How good is this lock? Lets mount this to a vice and find out..." Well, considering you've already spent 1 minute of a 2 minute video describing the lock, I can't help but assume... not very good.

[@jangruber42]

Exactly my thought!

[@bloepje]

Usually LPL videos are shorter. But they can be longer if he is describing the background of the lock like this. So this video would have been a 1:12 video if he would say it's a master-lock. But indeed, the very short videos are usually about very bad lock. I mean, the length of the video and the title confused me. A 2 minute lpl down to earth video is a good lock, but this time it is 2 minutes because of 1 minute background :-).

[@ajm5007]

Fun fact: If you, the TENANT, decide to go change this out for a better lock (as I had done back when I was a renter), it is the landlord who is responsible to adhere to the regulation, not the tenant, although the landlord could file a lawsuit against you if they found out you changed the lock without their consent.

[@acksepicyoutubechannelfull3467]

you dont wanna risk a lawsuit do ya?

[@jvc85]

A lawsuit over a simple lock? The US just continues to impress me..

[@ajm5007]

@@jvc85 Well if they are found criminally liable for the illegal lock, you can bet your ass they would sue YOU if you were the one who actually installed it.

[@dankdaze42069]

I'll do what I please and I don't think the government is going to give a flying f*** about a lock

[@josephwojciechowski8983]

Man it must be pretty nice to be the only company by law allowed to make a product everyone has to use

[@davidgraemesmith1980]

Actually impressed the lock held out as long as it did, I've seen folks open them near instantly using jiggler keys typically used on filing cabinets and desk drawer locks!

[@chrisbrent7487]

You could probably get it with a piece of street sweeper brush bristle as a torsion wrench and a paper clip as the pick.

[@Cionaoith]

I once was taking care of my sister's pets while she was on vacation, and brought in her mail for her, too. She told me that her mailbox lock was difficult to turn, so sometimes you had to jiggle the key while turning it. The first day I was getting her mail, I forgot her mailbox number, and opened her neighbor's mailbox by mistake. I opened a couple of others before I found the right one.

[@josephking6515]

You realise you have just admitted to committing several Federal crimes live on KZbin and can now be convicted of these felonies.

[@Cionaoith]

@@josephking6515 I am more than a decade beyond the statute of limitations.

[@ericwill1747]

@@josephking6515 It's not a crime to open someone else's mailbox. You just can't open or remove the mail in the box, nor can you place your own mail in the box.

[@josephking6515]

@@Cionaoith 👍👍

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

@@josephking6515 The crime is in the removal or opening of mail that is not intended for you, one of your minor children, or someone who has given you their blessing to collect.

[@JoeC26]

Still waiting for the „Ok folks…“

[@ixinor]

Probably some politicians that get money out of this scam.

[@djpete3865]

Most of us don’t even have a locked mailbox, so this is still infinitely more secure than my mailbox that sits out along the road.

[@powerbeast5691]

True. In more rural places though, neighbors may be suspicious if they see a stranger walking near the mail box, and that is also a kind of security.

[@westcoaststacker569]

I watched my monitor last week as someone parked in the middle of the street and checked my mailbox for something. Strange I thought it was a late Amazon delivery or something 12:20 am Monday morning, no reason for mail to be in it on a Sunday night. They drove past my neighbors. Once before I found on video where someone drove along the curb against traffic checking mailboxes from his driver door.

[@Icanlogonnow]

Theyre checking for small deliveries. Phones, jewelery, electronic accessories ect

[@phillhuddleston9445]

But a mail box on the road can be seen by many people and an apartment mail box in inside and you would know if you were being watched. Also in large apartments many people don't know all the tenants so seeing a stranger accessing a mail box may not attract any attention.

[@erictremblay6867]

Mail theft is not really done outside of big apartment building. Sometimes kids or desperate drug addict would steal mail. But professional go to apartment building. Often with a mailman master key. You have to hit one hundred mailbox to find one with something you can sell or cashed. So if you have a choice of hitting 100 mailbox in 10 minutes, or three hours. Which one would you chose. It use to be done a lot when the government was sending paper check. They all came around at the same time and were easy to cashed. But these days they tend to hit high value property because they are looking for valuable. But It is rare. Much more lucrative to follow an amazon van in a middle class neighborhood.

[@DrFaustVII]

That's not too bad. It took him 9 whole seconds to rake it open. 4 times longer than most other locks he does.

[@jakegarrett8109]

Good thing it might only be securing machinegun parts kits and explosives... I mean granted you can get that stuff over the counter, but still, I'd like to believe I COULD have it more secure without breaking a law!

[@Keneo1]

It might even have been a fluke, he only did it once

[@pjdambra]

I'm a locksmith and I use these locks all the time. There are other replacement locks that are cheaper than the CompX but not as good. These are hardened steel and are a bear to drill out. Picking these locks they can be a tough go it. Of course someone like you will not have a problem but morals like myself do. They are pretty tough with a tough bitting. Tumblers are very small. And the keyway is tight. The thing that can make it hard is they make these locks turn 90 degrees only in one direction. Some will turn clockwise and others will turn counterclockwise. So if your tensioning them in the wrong direction it will never open. You must change your tensioning if after a few minutes you can't open it or it's going to be an long day. These are great little locks and I enjoy repinning them for resale. They last forever.

[@GH-oi2jf]

Yes, these locks are an improvement over the ordinary cabinet locks used in earlier systems. We upgraded to the new 4C-spec mailboxes with these locks and it is a more secure system.

[@cqretsqurl]

Those locks come on higher end community boxes. They are generally not on any individual residential boxes. And in 18 years I have never once heard any policy stating you have to have a particular lock. Unfortunately in my many years of experience the locking mechanism is never the weakness. It is always the metal lever on the back side of the lock that gives way when a box is pried open.

[@Crystan]

Kinda scary when a government-mandated lock can be opened with a wave rake.

[@TheBrainSpecialist]

Small problem though, most, if not all of these areas are monitored by security cameras, if you were to try and steal a neighbours package, or just wandered into a random building to do it, you'd get caught pretty quick.

[@tigeraster]

worse still, it is made by one company and thats the only one authorized for it. That's a monopoly play.

[@wongowonga]

Of course you must use a shitty lock to secure your personal communications. How else are our corrupt overlords going to keep an eye on EVERYTHING we do. The world has gone to shit.

[@MrAPCProductions]

Most people would be really suprised to find out how many "government" security or seal systems are the lowest quality possible.

[@aserta]

If it can be opened with a wave rake, you can open it with even less (provided you know what to do, and targeting thieves do).

[@trigonometrisk]

Being the sole authorized manufacturer of a product mandated by the government for everybody with a mailbox… Must be a sweet deal.

[@Dhalin]

Not everybody with a mailbox. Everybody who lives in an apartment complex with centralized mail lockers, you know, those walls of little boxes each with a lock and a room number on it? He's not talking about mailboxes along the side of the road in the suburbs or rural areas.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@Dhalin his point still stands by a country mile

[@lightingthief4482]

Literally just sit back and make bank. They're lucky

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

And zero competition means zero incentive to provide quality.

[@gloverelaxis]

@@lightingthief4482 All owners of businesses can just sit back and make bank. That's what wage labour does for the bourgeoisie. They're not lucky; they're exploitative.