Listen Loco Ep. 63 - LEC Week 1, Tentative Predictions, and Riot's New Game Ft. Riot Vedius

[@locodoco]

Time Stamps 2:54 - LEC Broadcast Variety 6:58 - Will G2 Slow down after MSI? 11:35 - Are G2 Players the best in the worlds? 23:51 - Low Expectations for Vitality 30:39 - OG and the Storylines of Their Bot Lane 41:57 - Fnatic's Off Season and Broxah/Rekkles Drama 52:49 - Misfits’ Underperformance and Gorilla 1:10:15 - Splyce vs the Meta 1:21:13 - SK Gaming is North American 1:30:53 - Who is Abbadagge and Schalke 1:43:37 - Rogue Cultivating Their Talent 1:52:33 - Forgettable Excel 2:02:46 - LEC Predictions 2:06:10 - Riots New Autochess Game

[@ihateeveryone8161]

Either you or thorin have some sort of subtle static in your mic that seems to trigger my sub, its quite annoying Edit: after watch elitists united, i can confirm it's you Loco my man

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

best in the world*

[@wss7084]

LOCO, VERY Important note: One of you (Loco or Thooorin)'s mic has a very low but strong frequency hum, i suggest fixing it because it is very annoying.

[@kevinpass1489]

Hey Loco Would it be possible for you to include the original air date in the video comments for Listen Loco? I only watch the vods on youtube and it would be good to know when it was originally recorded to have a better frame for the discussion (mainly to know what games have happened upon recording)

[@Matty3HD]

Heyman, just so youre clear, it was recorded yesterday :)

[@oscarvazqueznunez4168]

I've been thirsting for a new listen loco episode for a week... the Gods have blessed us.

[@daniellow11]

I love this episode! So many times with many guests Listen Loco seamed more like an interview rather than the podcast, and this time it didnt. All of you vibed well together. Just 3 ppl loving LoL and talking about it passionately. Great stuff guys!

[@CCleanerShot]

That medic intrusion was funny af

[@RaidsEpicly]

Did not expect that. Comedy gold

[@mateuszszewczyk9560]

When did it happen? I'm 20 minutes in and I'm going to sleep, so your answer will matter.

[@squidgysquid7856]

Keraton 6 minutes in....

[@Bedrock_Blaster]

@@mateuszszewczyk9560 5:42

[@mateuszszewczyk9560]

@@Bedrock_Blaster Oh, I skipped over to minute 7 cause the first subject didn't interest me, lol, thanks.

[@Vasilakos96]

The 'Eminem-Without Me' comment by Thooorin was the best. The context of their discussion and the lyrics of the song were a perfect fit.

[@merobo5066]

1:12:33 The most exciting and interesting thing about splyce is Xerxe drawing the week results in paint.

[@ND-er1bo]

Uma Jan is the new Chuck Norris. How many titles can Uma Jan get? All of them.

[@katelynkaboom]

i appreciate you guys getting guests and topics that cover other regions other than lcs

[@lscamarocgm]

Original air date for this episode was 6-10-19

[@kallewarn]

I've noticed that you dont upload the episodes to itunes and spotify simultaneously as you upload them to youtube (its quite a large discrepency). Would greatly appreciate if you could adjust that. Additionally I would like to thank you, thorin and Vedius for a great episode. Cheers mate

[@RoflwaffleSi]

"Faker was never known for solokilling people in lane" has got to be one of the most wack statements i've ever heard anyone say. His very first competitive game he solokilled Ambition who was thought of as potentially the most formidable mid laner in KR. At S3 worlds he solokilled pretty much all of his lane opponents. What people don't realize is Faker completely reinvented his playstyle after probably becoming tired of having to 1v9 every game in S4, and he started playing more supportive champions and a more 'be consistent and play your role within the comp' style overall.

[@Zwijger]

Yup, Faker made his name by mechanically stomping people and beating people 1v1. Solokilling Ambition in his first game, the legendary zed 1v1 vs Ryu, countering Irelia mid with Olaf and winning lane. Thorin is entertaining but sometimes he says stuff that's just stupid,

[@saint3371]

YES! The Memelord himself has graced us!

[@kdkwan7016]

I think SK and S04 have a lot more room to grow than SPY and FNC in this summer. Currently my tier list: S: G2 A+: OG B+: FNC B: SPY B-: S04, SK C: ROG, MSF C-: EXC, VIT I think the gap between FNC and OG last split was close. But the gap is much larger now with Patrick performance. (not mentioning both team players improve) I can see S04 with better mid-game and SK with better early game can take over FNC. I think overall 3-6th place teams are much more competitive than spring.

[@SirNikurasu]

1:12:48 Kobbe is an amazing ADC. He never loses lane, and he always plays extremely well. if SPY gets to late game that guy WILL win you the game on his own

[@idorkurogami7535]

That is so wrong he has a lot of miss steps in lane and if the opposing lane knows how to play aggressive correctly he just Breaks Down. Sure he is amazing late game and his positioning is almost flawless but i have to disagree with the laning phase point

[@SirNikurasu]

@@idorkurogami7535 I watched some vods. I was wrong. He ints his ass off in lane sometimes, yeah.

[@TheRedShanks18]

Uma Jan - The Hero we need

[@alokuttamshukla]

Who or What is this Uma Jan?

[@brunosusnjara271]

@@alokuttamshukla Uma Jan is the new generation of botlaners, the future of LoL. Just wait and see. In a few years Uma Jan will be the best player in the world.

[@RelOCE]

Normally try to sleep to this but this episode was too funny to Good guest

[@hansflaming9213]

After this week in LEC i think that you guys should make a reaction video about this video haha

[@brabhamF1]

Tbf I also mistake Vedius for Frosk sometimes.

[@piekihere]

how

[@kingl4d602]

To be faaaaaiiiiir 🤚👊

[@thewhipofjustice5869]

I think the Sylas changes are buffs to his tanky side, but nerfs to his dmg. In my opinion i think he will be stronger in the 1v1 over team fights.

[@kingl4d602]

20:43 45:42 47:40 1:57:12

[@Markus59L]

Great episode

[@HlebHD]

33:34 Is a rant for Thorins friend Veteran.I was arguin with the dude for literally hours on twitter because he wanted a comparison of mine to be 100% equal on both sides instead of arguing the point.He just called me a troll after about 2 hours and we both stopped xd

[@ReptarTheUgly]

Veterans thinks if you aren’t a known analysis your opinion is troll. That’s how most of these guys think eh. In Papa Smithy we trust.

[@HlebHD]

@@ReptarTheUgly Then why was he arguing with me for literally hours.I didn't even know why I kept talking to him it was just so bizzare

[@ReptarTheUgly]

HlebHD to prove he has a better understanding than you.

[@HlebHD]

@@ReptarTheUgly makes sense lol

[@lopelle1]

@@HlebHD Veteran is a reddit anylyst himself that got lucky he is extremely biased and should not be taken seriously.

[@hish3098]

Happy to be a gold supporter

[@Elbridgina]

Thorin was fucking on fire this episode.

[@RaidsEpicly]

Thorin is to Loco as Vedius is to Medic, I love it.

[@botesz20]

Lemme see if they'll shit on TSM, as is tradition, god bless

[@sebastiaankruis3006]

Great Episode!

[@erlendode]

Wait has frosk been on the show? I wanna hear frosk roost loco... Love you loco, you are doing good man, keep it up ^^

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

i dont think frosk and thorin get on too well

[@vespergraph9048]

@@aleksanderpetek3066 any concrete evidence for that or are you just assuming?

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

@@vespergraph9048 i mean i remember thoorin tweeting that this is not the frosk he used to know when there was that fiasco with the riot convention thingy that was supposedly not for male people

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

*didnt allow males in or something like that( the state of women at riot was a hot topic that week)

[@Mytelefe]

@@aleksanderpetek3066 I think I saw at least couple of Thorin's shows with Froskurinn and they seemed to get along really well.

[@maayu8108]

Loco: I love everyone Also Loco: I really dislike Nightblue3 :))

[@ReptarTheUgly]

No FNC is also a lot better than Splyce. Top three are how you said but as a FNC Faithful I wanna say the spot for second isn’t as far as you think.

[@tonykwon2887]

Thooorin, you are THE BEST, man! You are so hilarious! Please, do more videos on G2! Love your work! So entertaining and while your comments are pretty useful you don't take yourself too seriously...

[@tomascoelhopinto]

The audio version of spotify always takes 100 years longer 🤣

[@Thooorin]

Ask for a refund

[@shallowabyss515]

where is buttpounder420 when we need him

[@ReptarTheUgly]

RIP Buttpounder420. Gone but never forgotten. When the world needs him most I’m sure he’ll show up.

[@ReptarTheUgly]

He’s probably at a cafe in Europe somewhere with Mrs. buttpounded420.

[@blagorad1748]

I think Nemesis will fill caps shoes

[@shellohello45]

I actually really like the Sylas change Thorin proposed

[@jonathanekat3852]

Speaking of what's said in the thumbnail (don't have much time right now to spare watching the Important part of the video they might talk about) I genuinely believe that especially jankos is absolutely not the "best" jungler. Not even if you only look at the lec. Also wunder only seem to perform on rather unexplored stuff just because people are rarely well prepared and thus making him appear good only because of good decisions of the coaching stuff ( including he of course has practice on those champs) so g2 literally thrives and dies with perks and caps being on them. And also the support is lately stepping up but really, especially seen on a greater scale they really don't have the "best" players. There are so many things that you have to take in account to make such a bold statement about anyone on any team. And g2 really just won msi where they didn't have to face a Chinese team which is often the cryptonite for lec teams.

[@ThreetardProductions]

Eh hard disagree on Wunder. He's really good on most champions not just the unexplored ones. I've forgotten what game it was at MSI but it was one G2 lost but Wunder on Vlad was legit terrifying.

[@tonykwon2887]

Lol...just heard your comment about FNC, Thooorin! I love you, man! It's so true! They all just blow that team like a balloon... The truth is that if Hylissang leaves this team they will all play under turret or die on the first engage. He is their real and only shot-caller and brain. The rest have some mechanics and that's all. I also think that the "great" Rekless is pulling them back actually. Think how well they went without him..!

[@yutayuta8081]

VIIIIDIUS

[@giannidavies3594]

1:04:30 what is thorin talking about

[@botesz20]

Hey Thorin i'm here for loco Jk lol i didn't even know he existed before you worked with him

[@sleven8013]

Vedius got the spoder

[@ColonelMeteorz]

theshy ints like 10% of his games, dont see how caps is best player in the world. He still hasn't beaten rookie nor versed the chinese midlaners.

[@delontewest6353]

The Chinese midlaners are trash! Rookie is korean.

[@rudolphpistorius1151]

I don't think I have seen someone carry as frequent as Caps. Rookie and Theshy is sick, but Caps is better. You are never safe against a caps. You can have a 10 k gold lead and you still have to be afraid of caps.

[@ColonelMeteorz]

@@delontewest6353 Never heard of Yagao, xyie or knight9?? Caps even acknowledged yagao as a great player. Here is caps saying he isnt the best player right now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKGTiJqLr9honrM

[@ColonelMeteorz]

​@@rudolphpistorius1151 //Why caps isnt the best Then why didnt caps beat rookie? Why didnt g2 beat iG once. Its not like iG are a better "team" in terms of coordination in synergy as well. Rookie single handle carried game 3 against TL on Leblanc when he didnt have a jgler or a support. Havent seen a carry performance like that since perkz against RNG. Are you telling caps needs to carry players on his team. Are you telling me that g2 has players who need to be carried. I dont see how he consistently carries if he doesnt have bad teammates. Maybe perkz in terms of playing marksmen. When Faker was the best. In 2017 single handily carried his inting botlane, both of his junglers (who were playing poorly), and huni against RNG on Galio while losing lane to Xiaohu who was actually one the best midlaners at the time.

[@ukstevey]

veedius?

[@csnoob02]

hahaha sweet intrusion

[@Creamouz]

Veedius

[@KleinpeterHank]

13:25 LMFAO THORIN

[@raccsn4271]

holy, medic made me laugh so hard. That suprised me ^^

[@demonlordd9079]

Weedius ❤️

[@AliceLilly1005]

I wished Loco talk more...

[@electricmayhem8147]

that lisp is a bit much thou

[@kingl4d602]

Said nobody ever

[@swtorrogaming8384]

Listen SoyBoy featuring Thoorin and Memeius :D

[@Will-bp4ri]

Veedyus

[@nixum421]

So Rogue seems like a baby Splyce atm.

[@kingl4d602]

Still rockin' that kiddo avatar? Thought Fortnite was dead...

[@nixum421]

@@kingl4d602 Just never bothered changing it I guess.

[@rubberduck2401]

Ah sylas R... Steal splitpushing AD kennen R and scales with his owns AP guess who's better Shouldn't be better than champions who is prime owner, maybe equal never better

[@ND-er1bo]

41:15 if this argument is even remotely relevant in any sense then yeah.. g2 had a 1-1 record against origin and fnatic, the only relevant competition inside the league in spring split.. so?? it doesnt mean anything

[@mastercalippo]

that guy is the reason why i cant watch lec with sound -.-

[@chopsticksgirl]

Vedi ❤️

[@MOFODUBSTEP]

What the fuck do you mean marin is one of the most over rated players? He literally was the second carry behind faker, bang was never a solo carry and only excelled in team fights and bengi was a fucking moving ward/support jg for his solo lanes. Saying marin didnt carry SKT during their reign is sooooooooo false thorin. And like who to this day has used TP like marin did? nobody.

[@francisemv1788]

Medic invasion 😂😂😂😂

[@gindu3530]

its sad that everyone look on woolite from a 2015 perspective, like jesus christ its been 4 years he improved a lot and that miss positioning argument cmon man. The only reason why woolite got so much behind in his first game is cuz profit cleared 2 waves on bot when he shouldnt. After that game for woolite was over.

[@gindu3530]

rookie of the split 2014 he is not that bad give him a chance

[@douglasmedved6224]

veediuss

[@crobasashanglier241]

A

[@Andrei52824]

Kobbe is actually really bad adc. He's lack of disrespect puts him into very bad positioning all the time. The fact that a normal team is chalanged by his flashes and he's wrong position might look like Kobbe knows what he is doing but ANY good team that analize Kobbe's gameplay will punish him every time but every time!

[@benji5289]

@locodoco I pledged for silver on patreon ._.

[@locodoco]

did u recently get on?

[@benji5289]

@@locodoco no I pledged maybe around last Monday, but it's cool though

[@karoljanas7537]

Jeez, Thorin let sometimes others talk... it almost like you are doing monologue, i saw this hell often that you have to much to say man. If you invite someone, let him tell what he wanna tell.

[@prestigeobras392]

Lol fnatic are super good and nemesis Will be a monster. Just wait for worlds. ofc europe ia dificult with g2 but they will perform great at worlds. U are too basic with ur points. G2 is the best team on the world u compare with skt fnatic ia better in my opinion the ceiling

[@simomtahaf1069]

fnatic is not good team anymore sadly they got to finals in world because it was the best meta for them and caps carry nemesis has passive playstyle and cant compete whit caps or nuke and i think broxah is right about everything caps was right too but caps quit to g2 and now he is msi finals g2 is the best team in lec after that is og they look really strong and coordinated i think fnatic is lost because of rekless he is delusional about the prob fnatic have and caps said that after they lost the final and rek after that spring split he said caps was right about it

[@simomtahaf1069]

and after week 1 in lec fnatic dosent look good as g2 or og to be honest is the truth

[@zhareivas3687]

get a "recorded Date" be professional

[@marcocashyy2369]

I think people just beceuse G2 is so good think fnatic / og are not great teams and tend to criticise individual players... u all gonna see at worlds they will easily pass group stage. Fnatic still a great team , and origen im sure they will also perform well at worlds. didnt like this episode cause its like, OK G2 ARE GODS the rest is garbage.

[@marcocashyy2369]

is like im hearing kids at kindergarden

[@tonykwon2887]

Loco, please, STOP thinking about Korean teams! They are dinosaurs. You would do SO well in G2 coaching staff, because I think they could do even better with some drafting buff a bit. You understand the game so well, look to join the future, not the past! If you join any other European team, I think G2 would have problems, because of your understanding of that team... So, don't do it! ;D Come to Europe, man! We like you a lot! Thooorin is the best game show-host ever, so go on with it..! You have THE showmanship.

[@LaPean]

I wasn't sure if I should cringe or vomit reading this. Is this what thooorin means with braindead fans?

[@kingl4d602]

*Slurp slurp gag slurp*

[@koutroubasathanasios7322]

Saying "fuck" and "fucking" every second sentence doesnt make your points any stronger or more valid loco.Grow up mate.

[@ShowmyBioRomi]

Autochess is trash boring game TFT won't be any better

[@davienssprime123]

Vedius literally said faker isnt know to be the solo killer lol. Are you kidding me Faker literally made his name off his solokill on to Ambition in his debut game. People are mixing SKT'S playstyle with Faker's playstyle. He has always been an aggressive player. SKT has been a slow team but not FAKER. Jesus He is known for playing assasins and solo killing ppl diving in through turrets to just kill them.

[@peinxd]

Agreed

[@DuelMp5]

Yea, years ago YEARS AGO. Now his playstyle is similiar to Bjerg, control lane and farm CS

[@Kalium69]

First

[@006ran1]

Veedius