Listen Loco Ep. 64 - A Weird Start to Summer, LCS So Far, and NA Junglers Ft. MarkZ

[@locodoco]

Time Stamps 6:00 - TSM’s poor showing so far 12:50 - Akaadian vs Grig 22:16 - Should we worry about C9? 28:30 - TL’s Middling Start 35:36 - How is Clutch Gaming getting wins? 40:36 - 100 Thieves Summer Roster Moves 52:46 - Does FlyQuest belong at the bottom? 1:00:19 - CLG’s playstyle confusion 1:12:31 - Playoff Predictions 1:13:43 - Undefeated Optic 1:24:36 - Could TSM Meteos ever happen? 1:31:09 - NA Pussy Junglers 1:33:51 - Is Echo Fox good this split? 1:47:27 - Final Hot Takes

[@semyonkozyrev6451]

Did I miss GGS discussion or there was none? xD

[@williamprovencher5552]

report no talk about ggs

[@Puman1341]

@@williamprovencher5552 its in the c9 section

[@peas524]

Ggg

[@LikeACrouton]

I wish Markz still made his own content. I like just hearing him be able to talk on things he wants to talk about, rather than be corralled into topics by callers on Hotline League.

[@KravenMorrhead]

I don't, hes an asshole that doesn't know half of what real analysts like azael or kobe know

[@kingl4d602]

3:44 11:25 37:19 47:07 53:26 58:48 1:11:24 1:12:47 1:18:33 1:27:25 1:30:30 1:45:58 1:48:27

[@guisteh11]

What is this

[@AbdulrahmanMajash]

Still waiting for buttpounder420 to support this show as well

[@thejakobistable]

2 weeks ago : TSM will be strong, Bjergsen really matured. now: TSM starts slow every split

[@BillRevis]

tsm fan's brains are trained to their peak from all the mental gymnastics they do

[@guilhermelimberg5326]

Loco doco is irrational towards tsm and that's part of the fun of the show, at least for me

[@thejakobistable]

no shit sherlock that was the jokoe

[@morgue01]

I mean you can still think TSM will be strong and know that they start slow every split... TL has a relatively slow start right now and everyone still knows they'll get top 3 again.

[@Shingeki__]

I agree but have you seen their drafts? Yikes

[@Sunkan2000]

The Vedius discussion... Thoorin being 100% factually wrong still hard wins the argument, man Loco is just the abused wife at this point, someone notice and get him out! =)

[@LikeACrouton]

Loco: "I love Darshan, truly, truly I do" Thorin: "HE'S STILL ALIVE!" holy shit did that crack me up.

[@ayh4968]

MarkZ/LS are the best guests

[@97mesut]

IWDominate is up there too

[@006ran1]

@@97mesut MarkZ/LS/IWD these are the S tier ListenLoco guests

[@Zanjiii]

@@97mesut meteos will probably never be a guest on a thoorin show, can look his recent patreon questions video for it xd

[@delontewest6353]

I can't listen to ls.he is like a politician.he talks talks talks alot of nothing 😂

[@Shingeki__]

Throw in Veteran

[@doomblitz1993]

The man Tobias Bernasconi just low key bankrolling Thorin

[@richardandras9215]

1:15:47 Crown not washed up at all, he just want to relax and play some NA fiesta

[@delontewest6353]

Then he would pick a teamfight champ not the best splitpusher in the game! Crown helps na to develop, na fans should love him!

[@shallowabyss515]

when is buttpounder420 when we need him most. the hero we need.

[@peinxd]

Also blunksmokinganusdestroyer

[@RaidsEpicly]

oh god please no call in guests loco, random plebes belong in the twitch chat and comment section. There's a reason I watch this instead of hotline league

[@VanityOfViolet]

Yeah. I like Travis and Mark and Hotline League was nice at first. But listening to braindead takes where people don't think their arguments through gets old.

[@Shingeki__]

As a jungle main, Ive known forever why junglers are either too passive or too aggressive, it's cause solo Q. People in games usually just flame you too oblivion EVEN IF YOU CARRY! If a lane feeds you blame jungle but never the laner. No one flames a feeding laner it's always jungles fault and your only response is to mute all and become passive or be aggressive and clap back just to get banned. Actually damned if you do and damned if you don't. In other regions the actual problem gets flamed or everyone gets flamed. Our region is shit for raising a strong jungler that can do both like Tarzan or Ning.

[@tjkinny33]

Aphromoo just looks like he couldn't care less anymore. I know he's always been a very laid back, chill guy, but it's he's even more that way now, to a point where it appears he doesn't care.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Number1TSMHater Yo sick profile pic and name dude

[@tjkinny33]

@@PlastikGUbilationz Thanks!

[@slow5089]

He says that MarkZ and Dom have been the best guests and I mostly agree but I wanna shoutout Grabbz, that episode was really fucking good.

[@chrisorr8601]

TL is that kid who looks like he’s struggling in class all term, does no revision and somehow whips it out in exams

[@timkrygiel7333]

"PHRASING!"

[@ERMIL1]

cody better than majority of na adc, the hate that he get because one play in worlds is unbelievable.

[@hunterbrown9519]

So, meteos has the second highest win rate of all time, when they got rid of him off 100T they stopped having clean macro and now optic, having settled on meteos, according to loco has some of the best macro in the lcs. When do we just say that meteos is doing the unsexy stuff to win while crown is doing the “carrying” Clearly meteos is an amazing shot caller and leader for this and many past teams

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Optic 2018 macro was good also they have like 3 or 4 clean 1-4-0 and 1-3-1 games

[@joobeib1]

I love it when Thorin rags on loco it's like what the natural state of the world should be.

[@HC123C]

That salty start from thorin with vedius and paker got me hahahahahahahaha omg thorin is such a brat xD

[@lul6518]

anyone notice those posters behind markz

[@chaejustin10152000]

Thanks for the content, guys!

[@KleinpeterHank]

I don’t think 100 Thieves could intentionally do worse at this point.

[@ReptarTheUgly]

Honestly... I want them to drop Aphro.

[@cupcakecula321]

-1/18 maybe?

[@brabhamF1]

Tbh facecheck is really good as long as it’s Dom roasting kids.

[@globalcowboy3678]

1:28:12 I don't know anything, but I suspect there's some history with Bjergsen and Meteos. My suspicion is that it goes back to 2016, when Bjergsen started dating Pokimane after she had previously been dating Meteos.

[@TriDevious]

Better start the campaign for a LCK episode now, knowing its going to take awhile to build momentum...

[@xOrlparx]

Loco you correct Thorin on "Vedius" while you constantly mispronounce "Jankos". It's not "J" as in "Juliet", but like Y in "Yes".

[@AnOversizedBildo]

dhokla is perfect for meteos. He is basically balls 2.0

[@Shingeki__]

More like Darshan 2.0

[@TheSergio1021]

correction, ZionSpartan 2.0

[@ukstevey]

veedius

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

ukstevey P A K E R

[@stevenkim6812]

Locodoco the TSM expert... every episode: no no TSM will have a 5 man roster.

[@Creamouz]

Seeing that TSM "fight" in botside river made my fucking eyes bleed how can shit like that even happen in pro play and I thought that Rift Herald thing Crumbz pulled off was bad

[@MrKaaskut]

Which game was the game were Amazing got triple banned?

[@chillidog8726]

Like I said two weeks ago optic is gonna suprise people again

[@kretzschi5000]

30:30 faker never drove a bike he said once for example

[@snuffsonic23]

YELLING SEGMENT 1:25:00

[@donraider999]

I dont get the azir argument. Surely he gets the ludens to bridge the gap between early to late game

[@MrJeo29]

Nashors gives more stats, ludens is good into mobile comps and if you wanna sit back and poke Also good to snowball, early ludens spike gives azir surprising burst

[@mustaqimhadi6381]

Remember when everyone called crown washed up and needs to retire when he is like 22 years old.

[@jibbjabb43]

Wanted CLG meteos in 2018 over RO.

[@Wwheeles]

1:28:10 is this some reference where tsm is against the use of herbal relaxants? Actually curious

[@Aitchfour]

mate godbless you you are the one with the summoning insight highlights

[@rennerfallen3195]

amazing show

[@younghuynh6930]

1:11:00

[@hitmanqo]

It's so hard sometimes to listen to Locos unwillingness to change his stand when it's obviously biased and wrong

[@alaskanmalamute101]

U guys give Optic no hope calling them a train wreck they showed you 😝 it prolly won't last while the end of the split but its good to see some of the bottom teams step up and im glad for Crown 👑 another one u ragged on coming to NA to chill in a nice expensive retirement home but he came to play! Even last split he looked good against the best mids, GG Crown 😀

[@frankopanklaric]

The best mid is Froggen you clowns.

[@alexdolmatov5616]

Dude, when u will make some videos about LCK?

[@Elfyja]

DL said that TL have been working non-stop and didn't take a break...

[@loldoctor]

Pretty sure he told Travis they had a week off, possibly only 5 days. While jet lagged. Not much of a break either way.

[@dylancostello1103]

Spam this fire to make aphro retire 🔥🔥🔥

[@husseinpoliphilo]

Can confirm would rather watch all na 100t academy grow in LCS the shitter 100t

[@younghuynh6930]

38:15

[@Therd23]

Loco why would you upload Listen Loco 1h before LEC?...

[@iamallrightpie]

Because no one wants to watch excel or rogue

[@ScutMonkey]

What's a LEC?

[@MusiCVideosRus1]

Is there an audio only version somewhere ?

[@humanoid8344]

Spotify

[@sauceboi2031]

I played a bunch of HS till legend, played auto chess, now see the new riot game, it's never going to be the most popular game like fortnite (yikes) but it can get a decent amount of people playing it, it can do good for that category but never be the next big thing

[@drazenyarcia5026]

Licalocodoco

[@mistedmage9185]

Last

[@mistedmage9185]

Fk off virgin

[@blackwebb88]

meteos love

[@MarcelloVT]

Facecheck is great

[@tomfordbeauty8350]

I always wonder why Thoorin has a dislike for TSM..? Like does he really dislike and disrespects TSM that much?

[@BeanMGG]

It's not TSM the org he dislikes. It's the fanbase. He plays to the TSM haters as well

[@supreme5998]

TSM fans actually don’t realize that they’re actually Bjergsen fans. They throw every jungler under the bus and shits on every who makes mistakes except for Bjergsen. If Reginald somehow in an alternate universe came back and kicked out Bjergsen, 90% of the fans would flip overnight.

[@BeanMGG]

@@supreme5998 I wouldn't generalize it that way. Not all TSM fans are like that necessarily. Everyone has a favorite on the team. Plenty of TSM fans blamed Bjergsen in the sub reddit when it came to failing at worlds the last 2 times they went.

[@supreme5998]

Jody Hader I guarantee DL got twice the heat Bjergsen did even when they were on the same team. And when they flame Bjergsen it’s TSM as a whole. They never meme his career internationally even when he and DL had the same amount of worlds appearance and failure. Yeah, I’ll agree every fan has a favorite. It just so happens that if you’re a TSM fan, it’s Bjergsen. And why shouldn’t it be? He’s been there so long. But if he ever left TSM, the fan base will drop just like how CLG is nowhere near the top 3 after DL and aphormoo left.

[@BeanMGG]

@@supreme5998 so your point is that fans have a favorite player and would flip if they left the team. I can see it but I dont think it's only TSM. TSM lost a lot of fans when Dlift left. Fans follow players more I would agree but it's not just TSM. They are still the most popular LOL team. TL and C9 are getting there. Trash fans are everywhere. Bjergsen gets flamed plenty on the sub reddit. The thing is, he really is that dam good so it doesn't happen much. Just like dlift doesn't get flamed on TL sub reddit

[@JoseMolina-yn6ku]

No call in guests please

[@kingl4d602]

Agreed! Don't start letting random fans call in like Travis' show. I can't even watch that show anymore because every other person just says the most retarded shit but it's okay because it's a "hot take" substantiated by nothing other than what they hope happens. What's this fan of yours want 10 minutes to say? I don't watch these to listen to random yahoos' opinions. That's what Reddit's for.

[@alexqq14]

Broken Blade isnt turkish lol

[@Dom_rlx]

Yeah right, he‘s from germany with turkish roots

[@frankopanklaric]

He is Turkish, Hans. Get over it.

[@ScutMonkey]

I'm sure I'm the only one, but I'd much prefer this show without Thorin. Such a blowhard.

[@RaidsEpicly]

Would you want 2 guests or a different host? Loco trying to host would be a fucking disaster

[@GiefReplays]

Thorin aint far off about facecheck. Three dudes and a host whos overprocessed mic audio sounds like a cliche radio jockey from two decades ago. Could be good but just comes off weird.