Listen Loco Ep. 67 - LEC, Evaluating Perkz, and Rift Rivals Ft. Upset

[@locodoco]

Time Stamps 5:10 - Upset’s frustrations and why Schalke didn’t make playoffs 11:10 - Did Abbedagge need a confidence boost after joining? 15:15 -Amazing playing instead of coaching 18:38 - Upset’s thoughts on Ignar as a support 21:57 - FORG1VEN’s report ability gets removed 33:39 - Excel and Mickey 46:51 - Is Fnatic the best team? 1:01:39 - Evaluating Perkz 1:08:11 - Are Origen’s players overrated? 1:16:55 - What are Misfits doing with Maxlore? 1:24:55 - Quickshot Pro View Drama 1:32:08 - Rift Rivals

[@ihateeveryone8161]

Loco, thats a Hyper-x cloud headset isn't it? You know the mic detaches from it right? You're also aware you have a studio mic right next to you yeah? So why the fuck do you leave it there, i just can't understand, i need to know why. i don't know why, but seeing it triggers the fuck out of me xD

[@Anybanks]

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[@Destromath2]

Upset is so smart and mature, one of the best guests

[@AliceLilly1005]

Upset is a wonderful guest. Great job~

[@mathiassjvik8700]

One of the most underrated ADC's in the world and upset! Wow great episode!

[@ThornyMcPoop]

I can't believe Loco's commenting on his own videos using sockpuppet accounts

[@MrJeppe313]

If anything Upset is overrated, consistenly rated top 3 (even top 2 sometimes) in Europe despite him not making playoffs in 2/3 of his splits

[@io-sk4fl]

Jeppe Playoffs doesnt mean shit, Upset is THE best adc in LEC. Forg1ven if come back is only one better.

[@ornnenjoyer8211]

Upset is one of the best guests so far, pleasantly suprised!

[@TriDevious]

Ashley Emily LS We dont care the guest Everyday I pray For one episode on the LCK

[@richardadams8036]

Yes please dont ignore minor regions.

[@jstn8785]

@@richardadams8036 oof

[@97mesut]

yes Atlus pls

[@colerousebass]

Loco said he wasnt watching LCK as much so that he could have time to see all LEC games.

[@AvantaSensei]

Shoutout to buttpounder420 :D

[@botesz20]

Thorin is on fire with the last few intros, jesus christ

[@KleinpeterHank]

After I see the notification of a new Listen Loco I don’t feel so... *Upset*

[@richardandras9215]

1:00:20 Teddy was a beast at JAG and even korean analyst agree he was the best Korean adc even in JAG

[@FlamingOverlord]

Fountain laser Teddy

[@guillermoperez993]

Its a pleasure listening to Upset.

[@aldairmendoza9649]

Just keep bringing germans to the show

[@LGinux]

1:02:40 There you have it boys, no need to shit on perkz now.

[@bnd1344]

it feels like upset talk with no PR in mind, and that fuckin lovely

[@gvinz797]

44:27 ??

[@marshallyoo6726]

Reapered 200 iq move not scriming EU didn’t surprise if you look as his track record of decision making

[@kingl4d602]

8:13 11:25 14:26 35:33 38:50 39:25 43:12 44:54 50:45 1:20:57

[@MarcellusAugustusGermanicus]

Upset is a great player and a great guest. Very enjoyable episode, Upset will be the best german player ever.

[@RicartoSu]

Gz for the show, in respect to the leak issue, Thorin compares to a jornalist anoucing there is a murder on the loose, but the issue with that statment is that in that case the problem is the actual murder and not the info, while with the leak the problem is the information itself. (Ex saying there is a murder on the loose doesnt kill the person that hears it). Other than that great stuff :)

[@6666Imperator]

also before leaking it to Twitter he COULD have e.g. blacked out the champions to save the involved organizations picks right? Then he could still have brought it to big attention but respected Upsets remark as well in regards to leaking the strategies even more

[@martine-h5217]

@@6666Imperator Yes

[@TheBassUnleashed]

Dang the interview was heading in an interesting direction. Loco should slot out more time for MSI soon before it pops off.

[@raphaelstar6488]

the reason Cloud9 doesn't want to scrim EU teams is the same loser reason they didn't scrim good teams at worlds. They don't wanna lose and have their mental get blown up before the tournament. They will only scrim academy teams.

[@mustaqimhadi6381]

Its because of trust issues since s3, if they didnt want to go mental boom they wouldn’t have volunteeraly get destroyed by damwon and griffin in scrims. So they only scrim teams that are not in the tournament.

[@xbandosx1]

I like so much that Upset mentioned this. There are no fuckin "passive" or "agressive" players, or fucking "controlled" players... no there are GOOD players and there are GARBAGE players that dont see the window where they should pressure the enemy more or not. Ppl were criticising Caps for being "too agressive" and praising some dogshit mids that have 0 impact on the game, talking mostly about casters in the last few splits.

[@oktoperi]

I just lost it with Maxlore and Locos crazy theories. Upset is a super guest, but omg this synergy between Thorin and Loco. Hilarious. 😂

[@cptnzolof2850]

One pro to the general public getting to play against professional players is the Yassuo vs Faker case. I guarantee is Moe didn't clap Faker, he would never have blown up.

[@mustaqimhadi6381]

TRUUUUUUUUU

[@CCleanerShot]

at 29:20 , I 100% agree. I don't know fucking why they removed the borders, but it used to be able to see everyone's previous rank. Then it became just your team. Now you have to click a button to see your team's rank (with btw shitty previous OPTIONAL rank borders now) and we STILL have to opgg for the enemy rank. To be fair though, opgg provides so much info and assistance to what you're looking for, that nowadays you'd just go there anyways. However, it shouldn't have to be a 3rd party website doing it for a billion dollar company.

[@angelnumber66645]

Fantastic episode.

[@b.p.5627]

"As well" 3x in the same sentence, I love you Duncan.

[@igniortix]

"I used to be in MiG Frost" holy shit

[@itemtest1]

Classic Thorin. Love it. And also TFT is really good. Just hope servers can handle it. :)

[@ZachYoungBlood]

yeaa id side with Duncan at that ending argument, i would rather know my scrims were leaked so I could just change, this could also allow you to bait the enemy team into thinking you're going to play a couple picks from the leaked scrims and could make them waste bans

[@6666Imperator]

he could have blacked out the picks on the screenshot though, couldn't he?

[@ZachYoungBlood]

@@6666Imperator i actually did think of this, and yea in hindsight he probably could have

[@MrEvilsparrow]

What role does an overextended splitpusher play? -Sui-cide lane

[@Synday]

i love upset i want a s04 upset ezreal skin :$

[@martonpinter3738]

Regarding Bwipo, I don't think he needs a lot of attention at all. I think he's style is super underrated, he always generates a lot of pressure, even when broxah never shows top, and the enemy jungler has to gank Bwipo. They need to use a lot of resources on him, and usually don't get a lot out of it. As Bwipo says, if he's behind 20-40 cs, he doesn't care, because he will just be more useful for the team. So often he pushes up, the enemy jungler ganks, he gets a 1 for 1 on top with the enemy duo blowing everything, and meanwhile his team has free pressure on the other side. He's kinda like a more aggressive Impact, who also is super underrated in my opinion, maybe less so after MSI.

[@PtemKowITh]

The most noticable difference between EU and NA players is that EU players actually know the game on the very high level and they are trying to be selfsefficient on the game knowledge and they are figuring out the solutions for some problems. In fact, the NA teams are overcoached, as the players experience and knowledge is cut off as milions of coaches tell them what to do, instead of players trying to think about it. Imagine coaches trying to convince G2 to play for teamfights and late game, it is impossible, because players would never agree with such approach as they know on their own way that there is better way to play the game.

[@xbandosx1]

Bwipo is probably the 2nd best top laner in EU, after Wunder. Ppl say he is an "aatrox one trick" but its not true. He has a huge champion pool. He also soaks up soo many bans for his team and can play without many resources. He can soak up sooooo much pressure. If you go back and watch the spring games, Bwipo was alweys 1v3 on top. Apart from 2 games where he fucked up. One being vs misfits vs soaz where he shouldnt have gotten solo killed on Sion and there were small mechanical misplays but for the most part Bwipo was the one soaking up pressure for his team and on top of that TPing bot every game trying to get Rekkles ahead.

[@koreanata6951]

Thorin, you are sooooo cool! So funny and cool at the same time... Thank you for being a real man in these pervert times... No men left for us, girls... :D

[@HTemplar]

In the thumbnail upset looked like alphari + febiven

[@epIx111333]

more skins will solve everything.

[@dylancostello1103]

Damn, nice to hear thorin defend Mickey a bit. Dude gets waaayyyy to much flame. GGS had literally the worst atmosphere and staff.

[@frosty85xd46]

buttpounder420 Pog

[@ornnenjoyer8211]

Buttpounder420 MVP

[@brunorangel1739]

Iven been om d4 for the past week due to uni, i csnnot imagine the stress a pro has in being in diamond holy shit its a hell hole , im used to d1-d2 and im pissed at low diamond. Soloq must be unbearable for someone at a challenger skill range

[@6666Imperator]

the higher you climb the more toxic it gets. As far as I can see

[@husseinpoliphilo]

From Arizona been watching eu since season 3!! Love it. Also love na just cause I am from here but yea the game play yikes

[@FlorentinArchiv]

I just love Thooorin XD

[@xboxfullauto1000]

Thorin doesnt know that even high diamond s8 isnt a big diff from most lcs players in NA 😂😂

[@friedrich7891]

1:38:00 Is Thorin speaking about something which really happened?

[@friedrich7891]

Josh ok ty for your answer

[@rocarajol7964]

What the fuck are all these discussions about people flaming Mickey that don't even mention Special, the dude who was already on the team, and who was performing better last split than Mickey is doing now.

[@6666Imperator]

sorry Thorin and Upset but you don't understand what "inting" means. It doesn't mean having a big number of deaths! Inting = intentional feeding. Meaning you need to have an INTENTION to feed the enemy. A bad player dying because he doesn't understand the situation/makes a wrong decision can't be inting by default because he is not intentionally dying. That beside I am not denying that its frustrating for the better player on the team to try and carry that. But you have that situation even in gold, plat, probably also silver.

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

there are only a small numbrr of players thst actually int it. But many just dc as much, lose concentration etc but the result in the end is practically the same.

[@6666Imperator]

@@aleksanderpetek3066 the result for the others sure. The difference is that its not reportable if he is not intentionally doing it (dc'ing would be another report reason too). Thats my point here.

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

@@6666Imperator i do agree with that. but on thr other hand what do we do eith thr players sucking and not using their brain. We dont have a report button for that and the only thing they/we can do is press the report for int buttom. it does suck

[@severin8285]

44:27 wtf

[@psixi7230]

lee sin vs tristana lol

[@edwardelric7345]

Sup

[@fazed343]

Yo

[@TheCapelius]

Wow... upset seems really salty at rekkles, he took every opportunity there was to belittle him. Rekkles is without doubt the best balanced Adc EU got, all this talk about how to compare a player to his counterpart and that the best way to do it is probably to move the player in question into the outher team and try to figure out if they would do better with him or not. And im pretty sure you could put rekkles in any team and he would do good since he is so well rounded . He is with that type of judging system the best adc in Eu without a doubt, shame to see upset has to much pride to admit this.

[@grizzpy9995]

If anything Rekkles has the most delusional fanboy army

[@6666Imperator]

I mean Rekkles himself said several times in interviews that he would rate Upset higher than himself. Not sure about right now but he did say that when Upset came into the league and I think last year too

[@TheCapelius]

@@6666Imperator oh im sorry i thought we were talking about the rankings now.... why do you live in the past

[@TheCapelius]

@@grizzpy9995 And you backup that statement with what? Let me guess "you heard someone say that once"

[@ReptarTheUgly]

What are you guys smoking? Nemesis doesn’t need a lot of assistance. He’s incredibly self reliant and manages to get his own leads. Why do you think FNC is always having Jg Mid roam either top or bot, and if it’s deep enough bot Bwipo will always try and teleport to help. Nemesis may not seem like Caps but that’s because he knows he doesn’t need to get crazy to win or neutralize mid. They’re all team players. Rekkles can carry we’ve seen it but he’s willing to have no jg attention and be the late game insurance and support his team with champions like Karma. Just depends on how methodical they are at tearing apart their enemy. They also have a winning record over G2. Peak FNC is better than Peak G2. Right now I’ll concede That right now G2 is better. Also Broxah is hands down the best jg in EU. Wtf? Do you guys even understand what your watching when they play? You have this fictitious image of what YOU THINK they are when in reality they’re executing plays just like how you state they should. I’m serious confused and don’t understand. Maybe some VOD reviews with Thorin and Loco. I know Loco does but I’d like to see how the brain of Thoorin works.

[@shrekfanboy5446]

Peak Fnatic - Easiest bracket to finals ever, get dicked on by IG. Get a sidegrade at mid at best. Struggle afterwards. Unproven with new mid internationally. Peak G2 - Has the first major international win for EU in a long ass time, beating SKT and decimating liquid on the way. Have quite possibly the best Western top and mid ever. Already decimated the rest of Europe in Spring. B-but FNC won one best of one. Future hypothetical FNC we haven't seen yet is better than proven roster G2! FNC fans are just as bad TSM fans.

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

1 win rly boosts ego i guess

[@ReptarTheUgly]

One game wtf? Ignore how they’ve done this split and at RR? You guys are fucking high. Fuck out my comment section.

[@a.k.8719]

@@ReptarTheUgly weren't their games at RR really shaky? They threw their lead more than once

[@ReptarTheUgly]

Dick Chaney no, pretty sure they fucking stomped. Except today when they lost to TSM. That match showed me how strong Yumi is. But eh. I’m annoyed that RR happened. I’d rather watch LEC tbh

[@Synday]

unpopular opinion: schalke04 should stop keeping things too german and actually get good mid and coaching staff. their yt channel interviews are the most giga turbocringefest ive ever seen. their whole staff seems to be absolute garbage. build a team around upset already and do it like ocelote did for perkz and just buy whoever upset wants.

[@smile00lb]

They kinda did that, Upset chose this players

[@6666Imperator]

its not a problem about being german. There could be good germans around too. Then again I know too little about the current staff to know if they are the problem or if its something else.

[@Synday]

@@6666Imperator being German is not a problem but you can obviously see, that many people are only in schalke because they're German. they have 0 skill

[@isboredandonline]

Loco please do a podcast with someone else, always like listening to YOU

[@conormcfire]

Who are you, locos mom?

[@isboredandonline]

@@conormcfire Wow good one. No, it's just very difficult to listen to Thoorin for me. Can barely make it 10 mins into an Ep nowadays.

[@emer7802]

@@conormcfire 5/5 roast

[@conormcfire]

@@isboredandonline that's near the exact opposite opinion people have on this show, not saying you're wrong it's just interesting! Fyi I love loco too

[@isboredandonline]

@@conormcfire To me Loco has real insight and knowledge, so it's actually interesting. Thoorins just trying too hard, if you get what I mean.

[@ThoughtsFromTheVoid]

Lec is boring