Logan Paul Responds to Coffeezilla's Scam Allegations | Jarvis Reacts

[@aleighmaes]

his whole response is basically “ I know I scammed hundreds of people but I’m not a scammer all the people I hired are the scammers”

[@rymoo27]

I think the Ace Family had a similar excuse with their “become a millionaire” scam

[@helbrassen4576]

More like thousand of people if not tens of thousands.

[@BaronBytes]

The feeling I got from the piece is LP got scammed by people promising him he was going to scam his audience.

[@krose1551]

Logan physically cannot grasp that Coffee's video was not about Logan not making money. There is no morality argument for Logan to grasp because he cannot comprehend that it's not just about money. His brain is only wired for one thing now.

[@DialecticRed]

Classic capitalist propaganda

[@AnnaVictrix]

It’s wild, Coffee was so fair to Logan and made him seem negligent but not a bad guy. But Logan’s response shows he’s negligent AND a bad guy.

[@diarawisteria2218]

I'd say that the insider group chat made Logan look like a bad guy (by Logan's own actions, such as: backstabbing, market manipulation, intent to scam, etc.). But Coffeezilla's structure definitely gave the impression of "So this dude's an egotistical scammer with about as much air in his head as a hot balloon.", not "This dude had only evil intentions the whole time, and was experienced enough in scamming to knowingly hire other scammers for advice."

[@TK-gy7ci]

@@diarawisteria2218 exactly

[@kaemincha]

straight up. just makes him seem like not only a scammer, but also a scumbag. not that the two are mutually exclusive but still.

[@AnnaVictrix]

@@diarawisteria2218 That’s exactly what I meant. Not that Logan is blameless! Just that he seemed more careless, thoughtless, and purely selfish, rather than completely malicious and acting only to harm. But my (miscommunicated) point was basically just my shock at his response’s malice considering how fair Coffee was to him.

[@GivenFailure]

Every time Coffeezilla calls someone out, they're like "Damn, I used to respect you." It's kinda funny

[@emp9413]

lol what else you gonna say, except pretend he changed somehow.

[@emp9413]

While providing no evidence of your claims lol

[@kingkoua1]

“You’re really good at investigating scams and exposing people but now that I’m the person being investigated, you’re wrong this one time. Source: trust me bro!”

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

Similar to MoistCritical. Everybody loves Moisty, I love him, you love him, but if he says something negative about someone, suddenly that person has ALWAAAYS been against Moist.

[@MeanPeePee]

i used to respect you until you flipped the rock i was hiding under

[@kylekeefer2748]

So the guy that coffee was interviewing that said that he couldn't hatch his eggs, the guy clearly stated that he bought the eggs with etherium and that because he bought it with etherium, he couldn't hatch the eggs. That was said loudly and clearly in the interview, I remember it clear as day. Logan cropped out a significant amount of info and context in that one section.

[@dionstewart7394]

You're spot on. I member that too.

[@somguyalex5409]

i was thinking that but noone else mentioned it so i thought i was just wrong, but yeah i remember that perfectly

[@Mwstmrlnd]

Yeah in the Coffee vid when he says "it's just a picture," he's saying the egg itself is a picture, not the NFT that hatches from it. Logan made it seem like they didn't know what NFTs are. What an idiot

[@Vincisomething]

"You took criminals at their word so your judgement of things can't be trusted, unlike me, the person who hired them because I have no responsibility over the people I hire."

[@jotunn30]

yeah he either has ignored his team begging him not to do this or he's surrounded by truly incompetent people...cause no way anybody decent at their job suggested to go ahead with this...

[@aalvarez2914]

@@jotunn30 he probably didn’t care. He was focused on pumping this up to 120 million. He got advice on how to “legally scam” people, like silently releasing the tokens and buying and selling among themselves to pump it up before getting others involved to buy the then inflated tokens, using a loophole to try to avoid regulator attention, so the advice he got was likely along those lines.

[@FTZPLTC]

Logan's hoping that you'll believe that, if someone did a crime, at any point in their life, then literally anything they say is the opposite of the truth. Not only can no one change, no one who did anything wrong can ever be trusted, even in matters that are completely unrelated to their wrongdoing. ... Logan also wants to rehabilitate his image after posting a video of a suicide victim and being involved in multiple crypto scams.

[@ositaiza888]

i was sitting here like,,, ive had background checks done for hourly pay and you're telling me his team doesn't??? it's wild

[@FTZPLTC]

@@ositaiza888 - Yup, you can even pay companies to do it for you. This is the weird throughline of this: virtually everything Logan brings up is stuff that could've been solved if he'd hired people and paid them, instead of relying on verbal contracts and assurances. Like... to me, the best evidence that this was a scam would be the fact that, of all people, Logan Paul definitely has the resources available to hire a reputable company to make the game that he said he wanted to make. It's not as hard as he's made it look to just subcontract to people and pay them for their work.

[@davidphillips6440]

Coffee specifically cited that the hatching issue was an eth user problem. Logan either conveniently framed that out of his rebuttal or intentionally lied. Best case scenario he's an idiot that swung and missed with his eyes closed

[@nettack]

Well, he was an idiot ever since surfacing on social media. Since then he evolved into a scam artist and being overpaid for being a talentless c**t.

[@knashboi3914]

This is literally what I was thinking. I have now idea how so many people who have reacted to this completely forgot about/missed that.

[@dismurrart6648]

This whole thing sounds like a legal brief. I think he watched the videos bc you can tell he's having an emotional reaction to this, but I'm pretty sure the scripting was 100% a lawyer and it sounds like the basics of whatever case they'd try bringing

[@Jamlf]

@@knashboi3914 I am surprised on how many reactions missed this too. It was the first thing I thought of after hearing Logan's response.

[@insa2242]

@@knashboi3914 same I thought I was crazy. He did that on purpose I think. But even with that slip up still nobody really siding with Logan on that one loose claim

[@areolikajenknips1702]

I just realized I'm watching a guy reacting to a guy reacting to a guy reacting to a guy. What has my life become.

[@martian8987]

Never go full KZbin

[@Baiileylynnhall]

Your not watching it…. Your reacting to it too

[@KimDLM]

Reactception

[@Lucifersfursona]

Parasocial hazmat suit to avoid giving Logan paul views

[@BrookerTJustice]

We can go deeper

[@alexanderf8451]

"The first time you tried to reach out to me" *shows a message requesting that he respond for the third time* Good job mr paul.

[@bece00]

Also.. jake thats literally what a manager is for. To set up interviews with journalists. That's not even to mention that coffee DID dm him on instagram.

[@beckyeastham9426]

Like, at least clip the screenshot.

[@phoenixgirl70]

He didn’t just hire one scammer, but at least 3 as his top people? Suuuure Logan.

[@aalvarez2914]

He was running a scam, so it makes sense..

[@saen2755]

Ofc you would hire scammers if you wanna make a good scam.

[@thevenerabledoubleu1771]

@@saen2755 what he didn't realise is that when you hire scammers you will get scammed

[@purrgundy]

@@thevenerabledoubleu1771 it's the ciiiircle of scaaaaam

[@jumpmanthe3rd442]

cops literally always try and get criminals to snitch on partners. But when logans partners snitch its suddenly not good evidence

[@Nomusicincluded]

That is why you should always hire criminals and scam artists. That way when they need to testify against you about your shady business they aren't credible. Big brain move right there.

[@cameronbolden5064]

@@Nomusicincluded that’s why coffee used evidence like the blockchain to try and validate the claims guys like the devs made and to see CK made money selling and Logan didn’t. Also he got slack messages from people on the team outlining plans to manipulate ZOOs market. I wanna see Logan actually sue, he never will because then it would be public record and he would actually be ruined

[@lungilembonane5373]

@@Nomusicincluded Big brain move, yet those very same theifs are the ones who stole from him after he told everyone not to sell. Logan didnt sell only because those other scammers sold first. Almost everyone can see Logan tried to scam, yet ultimatly failed and not only got screwed over but also lost his reputation, which he worked hard to regain. So thats a L for me.

[@Nomusicincluded]

@@lungilembonane5373 I wasnt being serious. He is an idiot.

[@curstinmichelle]

Logan would’ve had a much better chance at salvaging this situation for himself if he worked with Coffeezilla. Instead, he went with the antagonistic politician route with this video.

[@Gcool243]

You’re exactly right. He should’ve worked with Coffeezilla to get rid of all the shady people involved with this project. That would’ve shown good faith

[@oomshaka6683]

@@Gcool243 They have a GC that showed that they were using logans audience to scam people, the GC public and it's clear evidence that they didn't care anyways

[@oomshaka6683]

There is a public group chat that showed that they were using logans audience to make money, even if he did get rid of them he still hired them and scammed his audience

[@marineinrecovery1282]

Here before he runs for a House seat as Republican 😂

[@Lucaz99]

And the reason he didn’t work with Coffezilla was because he and his teams were just trying to keep silent about CryptoZoo and waiting for the dust to settle. He didn’t foresee that Coffeezilla’s video would force his hand and make him address the “game”.

[@Grizlzyadms89]

This is the same response a politican gives you when you question them being corrupt.

[@nettack]

Did he have dinner with George Santos the night before?

[@somefkingrando]

No then theres NO response, not even a half-assed attempt like this...

[@kaemincha]

and almost more unlikable, which is impressive

[@alexanderf8451]

"I'll see you in court." Time for a Coffeezilla/LegalEagle crossover!

[@torchcrawler768]

We must go deeper. LegalEagle must react to Attorney Tom reacting to Jarvis reacting to Logan reacting to Coffee

[@Vincisomething]

@@torchcrawler768 Now CLR Bruce Rivers reacting to-

[@fierceSquare337]

@@Vincisomething YES ☝️☝️

[@rubyb7252]

so we're all just watching the same people apparently lolol

[@fierceSquare337]

@@rubyb7252 we’ve got a good taste for content of course

[@justcallmeluke7254]

So he admits he hired scam artists, and he used to be a scam artist. Feels like he was trying to make a scaming team but got scamed by the scamers he hired.

[@ObsidianLife]

This. Exactly this.

[@jotunn30]

i mean it's not a feel..if you watch Coffe's video there's texts where he and his team of scammers are planning a rug pull and Logan conveiniently doesn't even mention that portion.

[@denizypinarci]

He was trying to do a rug pull which was obvious in the text. He just got scammed by the bigger better scammers

[@justcallmeluke7254]

@@jotunn30 Yeah I watched it, I just dont want to make fact statements lol

[@lacey892]

Very, 'I didn't scam anyone bc the scammers I hired scammed me first.' 🙄

[@pokerfacenino]

Coffeezilla showed in his FIRST VIDEO that when he tried to reach out to Logan directly BEFORE ANYONE ELSE, Logan had already blocked him. There was no other way to contact him! CZ says in the email screenshot that he was only able to DM because Logan joined his Patreon! Stop gaslighting us dude!

[@Lucifersfursona]

“Everything all went downhill for you the moment you noticed my crimes” Logan... buddy, we’re adults

[@Lucifersfursona]

Logan Paul’s “immediately starting to out the other people I work with as having also done a crimes so it’s fine okay idiot” defense is very silly

[@Lucifersfursona]

He fooled the mormon church? Good for him

[@Lucifersfursona]

“And the people that purchased my scam token? Bastards! Fools! How dare you trust them” ... Logan. My Goodness.

[@Lucifersfursona]

“That guy said he can’t hatch the eggs and he’s a liar and he’s lying” Logan’s footnote: btw you can’t hatch the eggs on certain tokens

[@Lucifersfursona]

“For your information pretty much all NFTs are just worthless pictures,” I mean at least he knows that

[@remercer6078]

Logan using his "redemption" narrative unprompted proves he never learned to be a better person, he learned how to be better at hiding how awful he is.

[@Cheyne_TetraMFG]

Incredibly rich for a man whose entire career is built off getting clicks accusing someone else of this exact thing, especially someone who takes as much time and research to make compelling content as Coffeezilla.

[@whoahanant]

Flashbacks to the time he filmed in a suicide forest for clicks

[@ayoCC]

Incredibly rich man who could earn money ethically with ease, but still has to scam people lmao

[@graywolf2241]

Logan's side literally said "no comment" to questions asked by Coffee. Coffee can't pick sides if Logan's side won't give their story. If you only have the one half then it's the only half you can comment on and draw conclusions from.

[@beautifulmidnight]

Right? Coffee has Logan’s manager recorded basically shrugging him off and making weird vague threats. Assuming Coffee’s in a one party consent state, he didn’t even have to tell Logan’s manager he was recording. The way the manager was responding, I got a feel that he *did* know. He was way too cagey.

[@elbruces]

@@beautifulmidnight He is, he lives in Texas.

[@f.7506]

11:00 the whole "is just a picture" point is actually a bad take from Logan because he said that the project would be a whole game

[@Puddspanker]

Logan is smooth brained. What do you expect? He thinks he's so smart, but is just confirming CZs points the entire time.

[@milkisthealmond]

didn't he also claim it would be like art too?

[@Elizabeth-dawn]

How has Logan not gotten de-platformed yet is one of the longest questions in KZbin history

[@lanceelliott2504]

Bc they don't care about deplatforming anyone. it's pretty much never effectively happened bc they'd lose money.

[@lalaciour]

@@lanceelliott2504 *they don’t care about deplatforming someone that gets as many views in the young demographic as he does. they will happily deplatform a scrub channel because they lose little to no money.

[@elizabethdillon2162]

Money

[@LovedByYou]

He didn’t break any rules of the platform it’s really simple.

[@Elizabeth-dawn]

@@LovedByYou didn’t he show a man’s dead body 🤨

[@fangal12]

I don't understand how anyone on his team didn't see how terrible this response was. He goes from ad hominem attacks to admitting he worked on the project with an entire troop of seasoned scam artists. He doesn't even pretend that he has any accountability in all of this and then the kicker at the end of threatening to sue😂

[@oomshaka6683]

What else he gonna do when he doesn't have evidence to disprove Cofferzilla at all 😂

[@Mia199603]

@@oomshaka6683 don't respond to any of it at all

[@oomshaka6683]

@@Mia199603 Just makes it even worse, no matter what he did it wouldn't be good 😂

[@galaxyocicat5660]

How's he gonna sue when he unintentionally admitted to the crime

[@fangal12]

@@Mia199603 seriously, nothing at all would be better than this. As my friends at Internet Today say "Shutting the fk up is always an option"

[@trantigone]

I think Critikal brought up a great point which is that Logan and his manager probably never sold because EVERYONE ELSE SELLING OFF TANKED THE PRICE. Additionally,, you admitting that you never made money and never intended to make money makes it hard to prove defamation, since the basis of defamation is damages - what is being damaged when you get called out for a scam that you apparently were doing for fun? You werent losing money off of it, since you apparently never intended to make money.

[@lacey892]

Right? He only 'didnt scam anyone' bc the other scammers he hired were able to sell first 🥴🙄

[@joehobbs490]

He intended to make money. That was covered in the emails and texts that Logan will never respond to.

[@jrmckim]

I'm sorry but nothing Logan says bears any weight (imo). Maybe I'm biased but the guy literally made jokes about a guy who committed suicide amd now says that's the "best thing" that happened to him.... Yes this was years ago but if he can bring up stuff from 2002.. I can bring up that. As a Japanese suicide survivor, this incident still disgusts me.

[@jrmckim]

@AcidumMagni it was the phasing that makes it so awful.

[@jrmckim]

@@AcidumMagni thank you so much. I hope you are doing better as well.

[@mystic_mimi21]

Thank you for sharing that. People have really forgotten that . Why can rich white men be forgiven so quickly and easily. He was an adult man who wanted to exploit others for money, was called out, was forgiven, now is an older adult trying to exploit to make money

[@jadecampbell3965]

This is so insane. Because someone snitched on his scam, he just turned around and got defensive and attacked some dudes character. He could have gone around it in a less personal reacting to one video but in a more general way. This video was filmed and edited. The format and anger should have been fixed before posting 😭😭😭

[@devinsauls3568]

We Stan Coffeezilla and Jarvis Johnson

[@gwenbengert955]

His whole response is basically “This is my project with my name on it and I hired these known criminals/scammers, but it’s not my fault.”

[@BrookerTJustice]

Weird that he waited to release his own video instead of Jeff just, you know, giving a comment like Coffee asked for

[@GameHunterDeathhunter]

Shhhhh that would make Jeff competent, seriously how is around? Anyone would be a better manager by now or PR team like wtf

[@roguestowl2280]

Logan Paul calling coffeezilla a drama channel has got to be the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time.

[@annamcannally9676]

Me saying ad hominem over and over as if Jarvis can hear me lol

[@BlazeMakesGames]

So wait, he spends the first part of the video doing nothing but slinging baseless insults. Then his whole next argument is based around discrediting Coffee for not disclosing the details of unsavory individuals, while he was actively working with them. Then he focuses in on a specific cherrypicked point in order to try and paint Coffee as a liar. Like I highly doubt that that massive 3 part series only amounted to a couple of points. Even if everything Logan said in response to those points was true, it's clearly ignoring dozens of other points that he's just glossing over. And then of course he goes for various basic guilt trip moves that again aren't actually substantive arguments. Even if he's completely honest about him trying to be non-profit and legitimately develop this NFT bullshit, at the end of the day it's still NFT bullshit, which means that he's just ignorant of how dumb he is. Either that or he's purposefully being misleading in which case he's literally doing all the things he's blaming Coffee for. Not to mention Jarvis's hilarious points about how he's just basically trying to shift blame to all the other people that were already 100% confirmed scammers before they were even hired. He's doing nothing but insulting his own intelligence by trying to paint the situation as him being duped by so many other "bad" people mysteriously somehow getting onto his team despite them being already known scammers. If you're surrounding yourself in scammers you're either the world's biggest idiot, or you're in on it. And as a result he has to paint himself as the world's biggest idiot. But hey we already know that feigning ignorance at your own crimes is a totally great strategy isn't that right SBF?

[@Mecheres]

Another issue is that this will probably be Logan's win in court. He has a ton more money than Coffee does, so he'll just bully him and drag on the case until Coffeezilla has to give up because of legal paperwork and fees. California and Texas will battle it out about the phone call's consent, and if they both go on the podcast and Coffee somehow convinces Logan to do the video call it'll be another issue because Coffee will probably record the whole interview and post it unedited (hopefully as it is his best bet to avoid Logan calling him slimy for editing despite Logan doing the same on Impaulsive) and Logan will send a CaD. Stephen is literally destined to lose here, which is the most disheartening thing here really.

[@aalvarez2914]

@@Mecheres no it won’t. Logan Paul is clearly in the wrong and a scam artist. No amount of money will change that. As far as the recording goes, he’s just admitting CZ recorded evidence of his scam. If he wants to drag that through the mud, it’ll be his mistake. CZ could go nuclear on Logan Paul for slandering him, with the proof of evidence that LP was clearly conspiring to pump the price of the coins to rip people off, just trying to do it in a way without attracting SEC attention. Even if Logan was dealing with better scam artists than him, that’ll still come off looking much worse than CZ just recording evidence of a crime (by someone Logan is claiming is a scam artist), with consent of only one of the parties to the conversation. If anyone’s being defamatory here, it’s Logan.

[@gulgulgulgulgu]

@@Mecheres It probably won't happen since Logan doesn't have balls Also, they need to make an investigation and anybody can see what's happening here . Plus Coffee can raise funds like Atozy did. I know the law is bad but have some hope please 💀💀

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

@@Mecheres The only part of the phone call Coffee played in the video was the part where Jeff literally said "I want to go on record here". Logan's just slinging bullshit. Suing would bring the entire recording into court, which would not end well for Logan I'm pretty sure.

[@BlazeMakesGames]

lol I hadn't considered that he literally said "I want to go on record here" which is probably some kind of legal implied consent" but yeah I mean there are at least some laws in place to prevent people like Logan from being able to just throw money around to win trials. They aren't perfect sure but it's not an automatic win, especially when the case for him would be so hilariously terrible that even money couldn't solve that problem.

[@AnnaVictrix]

9:00 The victim’s complaint was that eggs *bought with eth* couldn’t be hatched and there were issues with crosshatching. Logan misconstrued this while claiming Coffee was twisting facts.

[@SD-oi9gr]

There is no way he sues him. Could you imagine how disastrous discovery would be for Logan lmao. Every phone call, text message, email, crypto accounts and computer logs given to Stephen lol.

[@Happytravellerkimmy]

This right here. Like, the guy is clearly a pro wrestler. He's so good at sound and fury signifying nothing.

[@Vincisomething]

"His work was 'described as not anchored to truth' and 'often speculative'" BY WHO, LOL?? Also, according to a conversation between MoistCr1tikal and Coffeezilla, he never tried to work with law enforcement. The only time he collaborated with them was when they asked for some evidence for a case. Charlie briefly goes over it in his reaction.

[@DatCameraMON]

Good ol' Jay Mazini.

[@bunji_beans]

Ah another defense that boils down to: "I'm just incompetent!"

[@JacobHillSBD]

Logan going with the “I’m just a little guy and it’s my birthday” defense

[@Happytravellerkimmy]

I'm just a widdle 27 year old baby. I don't understand how this works... But also buy NFTs off of me.

[@dcastropty]

I looked into the law when you call people in California and " The California Supreme Court has ruled that if a caller in a one-party state records a conversation with someone in California, that one-party state caller is subject to the stricter of the laws and must have consent from all callers", so I think that's the one argument.

[@Matt-fq6ly]

True, but then again, it’s Logan’s manager he was talking to….isn’t the whole point of having a manager is to let them sorta speak for you and make public statements to journalists etc etc? Seems like there’s a fine line.

[@JD-jz5gu]

@@Matt-fq6ly and didn’t coffee get consent to record parts of the calls, just not the whole calls? Isn’t that why he only showed snippets of the calls?

[@treeble2793]

Ok, so maybe I got something wrong, bit don't investigative journalists break the law like all the time? But it's basically accepted because they are doing the right thing? If so where is the difference to coffee doing it

[@lettersnstuff]

that’s fine and all but that’s the California Supreme Court, so, that ruling still only applies to California, Logan Paul currently lives in Puerto Rico, I don’t know where his manager lives, and I don’t know where any of his companies are headquartered, lots of LLC’s are based out of Delaware. Regardless if you wanted to sue Coffee using this ruling as precedent, you’d have to prove California Jurisdiction first, which might be easier said than done.

[@cissyiniguez]

Federal Law is one-party. California has exceptions including if _participant_ recording is in one-party (manager in Cali/Coffee in Texas). Another, although this is a bit more of a stretch, one could also make the argument of recording a crime, or being threatened. Another exception is if recording is illegal (Crypto King and other dude, but don't know where they were so it may not be illegal) and disclosed to journalist, that journalist (Coffee) can be protected by 1st Amendment. We also don't know if it was "illegal", they could've asked permission for all we know, cause I'm sure that wasn't the full conversation.

[@dcastropty]

Lol this was great. The mental gymnastics he had to do to make these arguments was astounding.

[@sleepybun908]

fr he was doing triple backflips

[@nettack]

There's a lot of empty room in his head. So he didn't risk hitting an obstacle.

[@altusshow7574]

Coffee made it very clear that Logan didn't take money. I left coffees video thinking out of everyone his hands had the least amount of dirt, rug-pull wise. But his response made me think maybe coffee when to soft on him.

[@lunniebunnie]

"You can't trust a thing these people say. They are all criminals who lied and scammed. Everyone I worked with and hired sucked. But I'm okay dw you can trust me"

[@wishbone-p4550]

"i didn't think the lions would eat MY face!" -logan paul

[@boatmantheman]

I think Logan's best bet would have been to take the "I'm struggling to reform" route and just say that he doesn't know how to run a clean business because of his past with scams and he's trying to do better etc. Honestly it probably would've been better for his reputation than trying to pit his credibility against Coffee's.

[@fortheloveofketchup]

Yeah but then he'd have to give money back which he doesn't want. Or expose his previous scams to more eyeballs by acknowledging it.

[@glitchymonkey]

We all know why the response video is only 7-minute long. Because his PR and legal team would have a harder time getting him out of this situation if he'd opened his mouth more than that. And also because they don't have anything to debunk most of the evidence Coffee provided.

[@LittleBitVic]

Just to touch on something presented in the Coffeezilla investigation that I didn't see the response address -- Logan and his investment team planned a subversive rug pull by publicly promoting an inaccurate project launch date but quietly opening purchases on a date solely known by the participants of his team's group chat. The only reason he and his friends called Jake, "The Crypto King", a traitor is because Jake used that insider knowledge to trade ASAP, start the rug pull a tad earlier than Logan and his crew schemed, sell in a manner that didn't care to leave the project barely viable until the promoted launch date, and then overtly lied to the group chat about the owner of the transactions they were seeing occur on the blockchain. As one of his video's commenters said, his defense is he's not in the wrong because he's left holding the bag. Ah, and Logan's not at fault for hiring scammers; it's his _vetting team_ that failed, and he isn't responsible for not asking for a basic *background check,* if any kind of criminal history is _such_ a problem for him.

[@TheSpaceKiwi]

LP's defence is literally "how dare you call me a scammer when the crooks I hired to scam my gullible followers scammed me before I got a chance to scam them" He's a bank robber crying innocence coz the others took the getaway car and left him in the vault

[@averyeml]

Those three were the first Coffeezilla videos I ever watched, I’ve never been into crypto stuff or the Pauls or any of the other things involved in this whole thing. So, I had no idea Logan made a response! Thanks for watching it so we don’t all give him the views lmao

[@spacedino91]

Logan should ask his brother if his brother could start another KZbin house. This one can be filled with all the scammers Logan has hired, plus the two con brothers. You can call it Team Scam House.

[@JambleBramble]

I love how he's calling these people "bad actors" therefore admitting he's an idiot because they supposedly fooled him

[@jasonmatt6081]

Bro basically confessed to hired Con artist and scammer while threatened to sue Coffeezilla.

[@Kidna]

Brother is trying convice us that him, a suspected bankrobber, drove to bank with his friends active/convicted bankrobbers but did not know that they were planning to rob the bank that day. "I was just there to withdraw from my account *shrug emote* ". But when the clerk asked if he was going to make a transaction, he replied "no no no... [8x]"

[@lynnwalsh7517]

Coffeezilla has said this before, but everyone in the crypto community ALWAYS says he's impartial and fair until he comes after them. The moment Logan Paul started his video talking about how fair Coffee "used to be," I knew he had already lost.

[@bslone9005]

You know Jeff, his manager, had to have told Logan that he was reached out to by coffeezilla. He said nothing in this video except that his friends and business partners are scammer criminals. The people you surround yourself with always says a lot about you.

[@NicrophorusVesp]

When you're putting someone in charge of a million dollar project, why wouldn't you check references? He hired Eddie, why wouldn't they check his legitimacy with his supposed previous places of employment, even if it was then Eddie who mostly hired the developers? He's got a part in all of this too.

[@ORGANPARTY]

Not only that but coffee proved that Jeff knew Eddie was sketchy bc he was interviewed by Adam on Eddies background so they were aware he was a phony but Jeff said he and Logan would keep working with him bc he had some billionaire friends who vouched for him

[@FullMoonOctober]

@@ORGANPARTY That doesn't even make sense to me, because rich people have been tricked into thinking a fraud is one of them many times over. It's easy to just accept someone's who they say they are in social circles, but in business you have to actually verify who you hire.

[@randomguy7015]

I hate it when my entire team spontaneously become criminals without my knowledge.

[@Vincisomething]

"It's not my fault they weren't vetted before I hired them. You think I'm the one who brought this together?"

[@ethanwhite145]

Dude doesn’t know what his manager for apparently. Also I’m pretty sure he’ll be the one needing a good lawyer as he doesn’t have much of a case

[@OcarinaLink24]

In the first 2 seconds Jarvis spoke for all of us

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The only reason logan didn't sell is not out of the kindness of his heart but because they agreed to sell when it reached a certain market cap which it never did. That's the only reason, because he wanted to rug pull at a higher price.

[@Kelgore]

maybe logan should have made a 7 minute video about scamming eddie and crypto king cause it feels like he spent more time vetting coffee than any of his employees and colleagues lmfaooo

[@cowoljarwoff]

"Ummmm... Joke's on you, Coffee. I'm not a scammer, I *hired* scammers."

[@cash2094]

A reporter told Logan's manager that Eddie was lying about everything and the manager said they looked in to it and continued working with him the other thing Logan said he wanted cryptozoo to be kids first experience on the blockchain so Logan saying that the guy let his kid buy cryptozoo as if he didn't promote

[@sunbunnow]

Jarvis taking 7 mins and turned it into 36 mins. Lol 😂 jk love you Jarvis!

[@pearloflife]

The only statements that could possibly be used in a defamation lawsuit, are Logan's accusations about Coffeezilla (the lies about emails and dm's, seriously) . I watched Coffeezilla's video's as background noise, so I wasn't paying the most attention, but even I could pin point the flaws in Logan's statements right away. Logan is never going to file a lawsuit, because he knows he would get grilled by the court. But holy crackers I hope he does, it would be hilarious.

[@blacxthornE]

"you took a shot at my reputation" does he think he has a *good* reputation?

[@firstattempt356]

When Charlie guessed how Logan would respond and even got it spot on was just funny, like it was so predictable what he would do that anyone could guess

[@thormeow1972]

I like how Logan threw in a jab about Coffee's 10 million dollar studio, as if the joke hadn't been that he's sitting in front of a green screen the whole time...

[@rees99]

New business model: only hiring scammers so when people interview my employees I can go "Hey! You're interviewing a scammer!!!!111!!1!"

[@MaknaeUlzzang]

Not Logan glossing over how he didn’t pay anyone for their work

[@denimvelvet4670]

Lol at him trying to brush away the "it's just a picture."

[@averyeml]

I do think if you’re in a two party state, people have to get your consent even if they’re in a one party state. But I also feel like Coffee is enough of a base-coverer that he knew that, and maybe there’s some “hey man, is it cool if I record this?” moment we didn’t see. Of course, this is my first Coffeezilla video so I’m just going off vibes. Overall though, this video is a wild swing between “everyone except me made this scam a scam, which is a thing you lowkey outline in your video” and “I’m gonna sue you because you exposed my scam and attacked me, even though I actually came out less directly scummy than the others”

[@rubyb7252]

from what I remember from Coffee's video, the recorded phone conversation we see in the video was the only segment that the other person(Logan's manager I think?) consented to being on record. Coffee did receive and stated he received the consent before revealing the conversation in his video.

[@Halzion_Alpha]

Well yeah, but I don't know how exactly journalism in the US works like, but I believe it's the same as mine. There's something we called "On the record" and "off the record." Basically it just an agreement between you and your source, for examples which statement you can use in your report, which one you can't, do we can include their names as informant or they didn't wanted to or "keep anonymous" etc. So yeah I think Coffee as fellow journalist follow the same principles.

[@rubyb7252]

@@Halzion_Alpha I'm in the US but I don't know much about law lol but yes it's the same concept here. Each state might vary in their application, and that may be a valid measure against Coffee if he indeed didn't go about receiving adequate consent that would hold up against the scrutiny of court. But from what I remember from his video it sounded like he did

[@averyeml]

@@rubyb7252 which makes it strange for Logan to be like “you illegally used it.” That’s why I bring it up

[@rubyb7252]

@@averyeml I've been watching reactions all day and no one seems to mention it. I'm like so close but no dice lol

[@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641]

The best part is that you know logans response was written by an entire team of people, and that's the best they could do.

[@santiagoch2451]

"You have a funny way of twistint things" Logan talking to a mirror for a moment

[@Sauce46]

you cant surround yourself with sketchy people and not expect sketchy shit to happen

[@ayoCC]

If you're surrounding yourself with sketchy people there's a reason not a mistake. He didn't make sure his sketch colleagues were feeling taken care of. Instead they thought they were getting fucked and so he got fucked over!

[@plaguedoctor7104]

I love that everyone is able to make at least 20 minutes worth out of Logan's 7 minutes watching it the first time but he couldn't get a rushed 10 from over an hours worth of material also the entire video is basically "Looks like you didn't do your homework Coffee, my team is way worse than you said"

[@deckofcards]

"While I used to consider your work impartial because it didn't affect me, now you have done nothing different except talked about me which is bad"

[@captainchaos5705]

I love the casual stigma against former criminals. He robbed a liquor store half his life ago. Not exactly a great thing, but people deserve second chances

[@JinStreams]

Yeah, him working with Logan Paul is more telling of his current character than the past crimes.

[@AnnaVictrix]

FYI Coffee is located in a single party consent state. He made the call, so the recording was legal. It took me a 10 sec google search to figure that out and Logan was still too lazy to even do this.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

It's the barely suppressed fury that does it for me lol like that's not the anger of a person who's been wronged seeking vindication; that's the thwarted-my-scam rage

[@notorioustori]

I just caught that Logan joined his Patreon in that DM. "You're a POS and I'm going to sue you but first I'm going to support you financially." WTH? Lol

[@f0x52]

17:52 should be noted that the KZbin dislikes extension can't get actual KZbin API data since December 2021, so it purely relies on archived data (for older videos) and users of that specific extension sending dislikes

[@f0x52]

The real dislike ratio would probably be similar or even worse if it existed in this case, but in general it would skew heavily towards people who want to dislike things because that's why they have the extension in the first place

[@danradles]

He worked with dodgy people to do dodgy things, refuses to be accountable for his actions and now he is crying "I am a victim".

[@fumbledumble6639]

A KZbin apology bingo is what my life needs rn

[@mzdrea9468]

I can’t tell if I’m more entertained but his response or the fact that sooooo many ppl are coming out the support coffee

[@gracelament]

"I saw you at the devil's sacrament!!" Girl what were YOU doing at the devil's sacrament!! = Jake Paul calling out these scammers he hired.

[@Openmouthstef]

“You’re welcome on my podcast” and “I’ll see you in court” have antithetical implications. I would not want to meet someone face to face who has a history of over reactions who also wants to legally incriminate me regardless of how not in the wrong I am. Logan has always been a joke that fell flat and soured everything he touched

[@cozenw3236]

That 2 second clip of the guy in the blue shirt say, “It’s just a picture,” was taking out of text. The guy was saying that his “egg didn’t hatch, it’s just a picture.” Logan’s editor took that out of context.

[@valolafson6035]

So......he knew the NFT world was full of shady behaviour, but didn't think to take extra care with people he hired/were hired on his behalf?

[@jordanrichardson127]

So wait are you seriously telling me that Logan said, “you didn’t even reach out” and when called straight out on it responds, “you can’t expect me to respond to every ‘gossip’ channel”. Like bruh you can’t have it both ways.

[@creativelydumb7442]

Logan: you're twisting information and so therefore your claims are not true. Logan: anyways *proceeds to twist information to falsify said "false claims"*

[@augusthawley5504]

"coffeezilla only interviewed criminals and scammers" okay who was he supposed to interview then

[@PoeTeraToe]

Every point he makes can be turned back on him SO easily.

[@Phished123]

uhhh the photo edit of Coffee he shows at 1:41 is kinda sus as hell right? it seems pretty close to trying to turn Coffee into the Happy Merchant right?

[@Elissa_Marie]

I think Logan planned to scam his fans from the very beginning and that’s why he was okay with hiring crypto criminals. The text messages between him and the other people that invested just confirms that for me. He thought it’d go unnoticed like dink doink. He got scammed in the middle of scamming his fans, now wants to play the victim. He did it for the money because he’s really greedy. He got away with scamming before so he thinks he can continue to pull these scams. I don’t think Logan’s really changed as much as some people think. He’s just better at hiding his true self.

[@erinfournumbers]

What would it have cost Logan to find out that dude had a rap sheet? Like. 10 bucks?

[@ObsidianLife]

I mean…Google is free. LOL! A friend of mine found a bunch of information on a crazy coworker that was all public because she had been arrested

[@erinfournumbers]

@Carbon AR That works too. Lots of better options than being like "whO coULd hAvE kNoWn" after the fact.

[@nettack]

20 bucks to find out he couldn't rap, either.

[@aalvarez2914]

He probably knew it. If you’re running a scam, it makes sense you hire scam artists.. Any legit person wouldn’t have been so directly involved in his shit-show, and would have been suspicious of him after his dink-doink deceit, pretending to not be behind it when he was, and even designed the logo. He made it sound like he’d just came across this cool new thing that he didn’t have anything to do with and was just impressed by and recommending to people..

[@ObsidianLife]

@@aalvarez2914 I think if it was easy and worked then he would have done it, and he's FAR from someone who wouldn't scam somebody but I think he set himself up to make $$$ in a scammy situations and got scammed by someone on his team. Not at all saying he's "innocent" but that doesn't mean he didn't get scammed too...

[@comradellama8128]

Truly the response of all time.

[@xXSPADEGG]

Just not responding at all would have been a better response than that.

[@1Henrink]

This is not a important comment. But at 1:02 you spoke while yawning and it was a perfect Kermit the frog. THAT'S AWESOME! Now we know the formula!

[@phephemigi]

The question is, does logan paul actually know what a manager is supposed to do.

[@elilopez6260]

The good ol SBF defense, "I am so stupid I did not notice there were crimes committed under my nose"

[@saiyantwan]

the funny part about the recording is that I'm pretty sure Coffee told Jeff the call was being recorded and on the record but didn't put that in the video because it wasn't relevant at the time. That would partly explain why Jeff was so dodgey during the conversation.

[@saiyantwan]

Also you know he didn't talk to a legal team, because if he did they would have told him to shut up.

[@keyofallworlds7549]

I see Logan finally hired a legal team. This def doesn’t sound like his usual self.

[@nettack]

However based on WHAT he said, it must have been Rudy Giuliani.

[@lunaangeleclipse9745]

Not a very good legal team if that's the case lol

[@sigh824]

That was an improvement???