Logic and Plot Are (Quite) Wonderful

[@MauLerYT]

This some good shit.

[@Madvocate]

:D

[@nickcagebuthesinabanana]

hoTdogs is homiest

[@luCid.the.book.]

Oh shit! Love from the Longman!

[@baileymoore7779]

Fuckin Mauley. Makes sense.

[@thereviewersblock7459]

But is it Good Rat?

[@theunholysmirk]

No she's right. She's not punching people in the face... Just the neck, spleen, stomach, lungs, ears, and probably a bunch I've missed in the few scenes shown in this video. Just not the face. That's too violent.

[@aldar8240]

yeah, she never punches people in the face, she just performs every *other* martial arts move in existence instead

[@charmandyorton006]

And we don’t want to get into how the Snyder Cut treats Diana from then on

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

Oh and "hits them in the face with things"... That's a big thing... Shields, other people, boxes, the lasso, trucks etc. LOL!!!

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Don't forget the sword stabbing, the gauntlet exploding, the rope yanking, the truck flipping, etc. *_No face-punching,_*_ she's better than that._

[@Marco_1505]

Even head, but not face

[@imp360]

"she's not the type of person to solve problems by punching people in the face" spent most of the first movie thinking she could end WW1 if she just punched Ares in the face.

[@Squeeble00]

And she was fucking right ;-;

[@lightningbolt4419]

@@Squeeble00 because it’s a shit movie

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

@@Squeeble00 Wait she was? I always thought the scene at the end of the parade was a couple years after beating Ares. He says that he just gives us the weapons but he doesn’t make us use them.

[@romansionis2470]

@@lightningbolt4419 The first one was good

[@HangMrH]

Maybe she is secretly sadistic, she thrives in wars and conflicts remember?

[@LEO_M1]

I love how the dude’s argument at one point just devolves into “wow, pretty lights!” Lmao.

[@hailpickens2454]

So good visuals?

[@texteel]

Peak hitop

[@Xehanort10]

There are people like him who think any film or TV series that doesn't have fighting scenes every few seconds, constant bloody deaths or flashy CGI is "slow and boring."

[@illansuu9572]

Thats the best way to experience shows like euphoria tho. Just focus on the cinematography and the lighting design and you wont even notice the weirdass writting

[@kingmuizz708]

@@illansuu9572 tbf Euphoria doesn't really have much else going for it (rn, I've not seen season 2 but I've heard mixed reactions,theres still some good stuff but eh)

[@Zorro33313]

My friends: just switch your brain off and enjoy the movie! Me: or maybe the writer can switch his brain on so we all can enjoy the movie without getting dumber?

[@AllsparkSupremacy]

💡🎓 Exactly!

[@jasongibbs3713]

Ah, remember the good old days when one could watch a movie while their brain was fully functioning?

[@ZeroDividedByZero]

If I have to turn my brain off in order to enjoy the movie, then something’s wrong here.

[@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin]

Any movie that requires the viewer to turn off their brain in order to be enjoyed and is not porn has no right to exist.

[@MoonMillenniummon]

"Rape is subjective" I lost every brain cell after hearing this

[@Xehanort10]

If Hitop's still with his girlfriend I feel sorry for her if he thinks that.

[@NotRay1995]

@@Xehanort10 hitop has a girlfriend?

[@optillian4182]

@@Xehanort10 Yikes.

[@HangMrH]

This is offensive in so many levels

[@au7923]

When I heard he said "rape is subjective" I knew hitops films was a complete idiot.

[@TheSteelGavel]

Can you imagine High School kid writing a bad essay and then trying to explain to the teacher that the teacher was simply missing the point of making meaningful emotional connections to the subject?

[@tootoasted4589]

"She doesn't punch people in the face" my one issue with the first movie is how the villian can ONLY be punched in the face because hes literally the embodiment of war.

[@puppergump4117]

I imagine the embodiment of war to be a giant robot with rockets and minigun arms.

[@thelastmlg2699]

@@puppergump4117 if we take it really literally, maybe a walking pile of bodies, each wielding every kind of weapon ever made, from stick and stones to nuclear bomb.

[@puppergump4117]

@@thelastmlg2699 And then one screaming politician hiding behind it.

[@anobodylikeyou168]

@@puppergump4117 hitler?

[@puppergump4117]

@@anobodylikeyou168 Hitler is the embodiment of a coward.

[@nabongobong9155]

"Rape is subjective" Okay thats exactly when they lost me

[@prasannahraman2230]

uhh who said this? hitop or madv?

[@Suny-Halo]

@@prasannahraman2230 Hitop

[@Xehanort10]

If Hitop's ever arrested we'll know what for.

[@brendofire2084]

@The One Who Knocks No you can tell it's edited, but it's pretty funny none-the-less, especially with the tweet used

[@jimmcneal5292]

Yes and no, definition of words are subjective, but once defined, it's objective

[@marypoppins989]

If wonder woman doesnt punch people in the face, she has failed as an amazon warrior goddess. Amazons literally trained her to beat the shit out of people. You can see her fight like a warrior in comics and animated movies.

[@carlosleoni5321]

That's why I like WW and the first movie, like of course she will fight, she's a warrior

[@REDandBLUEandORANGE]

When the plot and logic is shit it makes me ‘feel’ that the movie is shit

[@arjuna6224]

Facts

[@jjonahjameson8934]

Sooo he was right!

[@donovanmiller9380]

And it is perfectly fine to value these things in film, but that is not what films have to have in order a given person to think it is good. For instance, I don't care about plot or logic that much and value themes and character writing a lot more, so I can make a lot more movies enjoyable despite their flaws. I think that is a good skill to have.

[@andredocouto7341]

" She dosent punch people to resolve issues, thats why people loved the first movie" the first movie is literaly about how her warrior nature reacts with the world outside of her island

[@jackdrake1487]

This is the best response of a hitop film vid I saw. Good job

[@rpgkingx3629]

If one can say “Movies aren’t about logic and plot,” your rights to talk constructively about movies, no matter which stance you take, are revoked because even emotion can loop back to these two things: “I love Maxwell Lord’s character because you can look back at his past to see how he-“ Stop! You’re appealing to Cause & Effect. You can’t get logical here

[@arjuna6224]

Hitop is a hypocrite, he criticizes the spiderman movies for being boring and bad because the plot doesn't make any sense when he is talking about how good ww1984 is ( which it isn't) because he only cared about the movie because he had feelings and emotions for it even though the plot is a mess and filled with inconsistentencies. But somehow he acknowledges this movie as good and the other one as the bad.

[@jcore0981]

@@arjuna6224 He thought the plot of Homecoming was dumb? I mean FFH is a complete mess writing wise but Homecoming arguably has one of the most solid scripts in the mcu.

[@AmbushBug522]

@@jcore0981 To be fair, he said Homecoming was a good movie, but a bad Spiderman movie.

[@jcore0981]

@@AmbushBug522 Well if he thinks WW84 is a good WW film then clearly he has no leg to stand on.

[@hailpickens2454]

I love how people are misinterpreting everything, he criticised Homecoming for not feeling like Spider-Man, he said it was a good movie but that he wasn’t digging it’s Spider-Man...

[@jacoba6747]

Great video! I love HiTop but he’s so inconsistent with his criticisms and it’s frustrating how he gets angry whenever someone dares try to question him.

[@christoph6992]

Thank you! I legitimately thought that I was the only one who saw this. It always felt so inconsistent. But a good amount of videos are good.

[@ahmedfawad16]

dunno about that last 'getting angry' part.

[@SteveCowlishaw]

Internet kids for you. You know why they start youtube pages to give their opinions? Because they get laughed at on Reddit or other forums, and downvoted to oblivion or simply ignored. They want to make their stupid opinions, but they don't want those opinions to be questioned.

[@khaalmalki4039]

How do you love someone as immature as that ? They are plenty of him on Twitter or social media in general.

[@AKmusic893]

Sorry but when did he ever get angry about that? He might have but I'm not totally sure, I'd like to see some examples. From what I've seen HiTop respects that people have different opinions/views on a certain piece of media that he loves or hates.

[@Milocinia]

"If I see there's a 10hr critique of my sacred cow, I would think, "Huh, I wonder what they have to say," and actually watch it." 'CAUSE I'M NOT A PUSSY!" My favorite line in the video.

[@texteel]

thank you for not only quoting the video, but actually having some to say that is related to it

[@lol-gv7ox]

If I see a 10 hour critique of my favorite movie, I assume it's some Mauler type bullshit where they just dissect the plot for 9 and a half hours, occasionally go "That's dumb" and then only meaningfully talk about it in the last 30 minutes. So, y'know, a video that'd be better if it was condensed down to an hour.

[@carlosmattessich3883]

@@lol-gv7ox Yeah, GamingMagic13 did the same thing when he broke down Toy Story 4 for 6 hours

[@Killer36661]

@@lol-gv7ox Where he tells you what happened in the movie and tell you exactly why it's dumb from a logical stand point or character stand point, how it contradicts previously established information, brings up possible counter argument people might use to defend the movie and then counter those defense preemptively and sometimes talk about how it could have been written better with heavy dose of humor sprinkled in* But sure, longman bad.

[@henith7850]

While I agree that plot matters, I don’t think that when hitop criticized cheetah, he was talking about consistency. He was just saying it would have been more compelling if it wasn’t the rock that made her evil.

[@92brunod]

Just like it would be more compelling if it wasn't some made up bullshit that got Diana out of trouble.

[@henith7850]

@@92brunod first of all, I am one of the people that thinks the movie is terrible and I agree that would have been better but I don’t see how that would result in the arcs being more compelling. It just would have made the film a bit better though the movie is still terrible.

[@dyay108]

@@henith7850 y'all agree with each other

[@92brunod]

@@henith7850 It would have made the arcs better because the plot is the basis for the characters to exist and develop. If a character doesn't have to cleverly or courageously endure or overcome some problem because they can just unexplainably magic the fuck out of it then you're missing character development. It is more compelling to see a character solve their issues in a believable way and in a plot that makes sense.

[@92brunod]

@@dyay108Kinda

[@gardenofwords914]

The fact that Pedro Pascals portrayal of Maxwell Lord, imo, was genuinely interesting and was portrayed with some emotional depth and portrays a struggling businessman and father trying to give a good life for his child (i dunno why he was a hispanic guy playing a white man fathering an asian child, i just thought that was funny and questionable but movie) that craves power to do better for him and to give his child a better life and make his child be proud of him but in his attempts finds a means to his end but is then consumed by power and goes crazy when he did all this for him and his child made me feel such sympathy for his character (despite some flaws with him) and had me cheering for him doesn't negate the fact that the rest of the movie had contrived implementations that either made the movie illogical and infuriating to watch or just funny to watch and shouldn't be neglected for the sake of "it makes me feel something".

[@smugalice6206]

He should’ve been the main character.

[@gardenofwords914]

@@smugalice6206 sighs, but to me he was

[@y0l0_dud3]

@@smugalice6206 ngl, he kind've reminds me of Walter White (Breaking Bad)

[@Monie71793]

Exactly. However, I thought Hispanic wasn't a race? & there are half-White people who look more like their non-White side.

[@gardenofwords914]

@@y0l0_dud3 fax, cud deffo see the similarities

[@edgarallenpo8330]

"The colors explode heart and soul" Bruh I'm imagining hitop clapping at at literal colors on Sesame Street lmao

[@iloveumali]

@10:14 Barry : "yOu CaNt OuTrUn Me" Evil doer: *jogs away*

[@kingfavy6740]

Wait if she can fly, why does she need the lasso to grab stuff

[@LaddRusso91]

I think she was losing her powers during that time, or something like that.

[@kylefrank638]

"Losing her powers at the time" *smash cut to her kicking trucks, catching RPGs, handing the guards their asses in the hallway fight*

[@LaddRusso91]

@@kylefrank638 ye haha. Movie made no sense to me, tbf I barely managed to pay attention after a while.

[@kylefrank638]

@@LaddRusso91 It's completely understandable; the movie stops paying attention to itself too.

[@user-kg6pr1iv4i]

The invisible jet: 👁️👄👁️

[@hewhobattles8869]

7:12 Imagine if we used HiTops mentality here in legal cases "Your honor, I don't care what my client did. YOU don't care what my client did. We care about what his actions represent. Yes he may have molested that little girl, but in doing so, he exposed the fundamental inequality of the system and how one can leverage their influence to get away anything. With all this in mind, I believe the only sensible and moral thing to do is let him off and throw out the case." Judge: Are completely insane? I was gonna give your client 10 years, but just for making myself and everyone else in this court sit and listen to your inain rambling, I'm going to double the time and give him 20 years in Federal Maximum security prison. *Bangs Gavel* NEXT CASE!

[@Xehanort10]

"Your honour it's about how his actions made you feel."

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@Xehanort10 “His actions made me feel disgusted and repulsed, which led to me feeling furious with him being free, so I rightfully threw him in prison.” HiTop: “You just want to hate him.”

[@nottyseel949]

As anyone who has ever spent private time with themselves can tell you: Logic and plot is how you convince your brain that something is happening that is not actually happening. Thereby, forcing it to have an emotional and hopefully physical response. If your brain does not believe the situation because of holes in the logic or plot, there is no response. Except frustration.

[@kingmuizz708]

.... Honestly this is one of the best ways to put it lmao

[@davidw.2791]

And this is how even the likes of the Stargate Ending of 2OO1: A Space Odyssey can make some plot sense despite all the psychedelics.

[@zottorus6176]

so let me get this straight. he thinks ww84 is good, makes 40 minute videos trying to defend TASM movies and STILL says that spiderman no way home is a worse movie than TASM. and now i’m seeing him say “movies aren’t about logic and plot”? isn’t that not what he says when ruthlessly attacking other movies? he is so biased it’s crazy.

[@dadadadada9554]

Yeah I don't know how people still think he's a credible reviewer. The movie did everything he wanted and he still went like tasm2 of all movies is better than nwh lmao

[@zottorus6176]

@@dadadadada9554 yeah, right? i swear he mustve known tom in high school or smth and is jealous of his success because thats literally the only excuse as to why he hates him so much lmao

[@jacoba6747]

@@zottorus6176 and then he plays the it’s just my opinion card despite the fact his opinion is based on flimsy standards that change to fit his narrative. Seriously he loves to break and bend his standards so much it makes Gwen Stacy’s neck look like goddamn Superman.

[@ibrahimbinimran4320]

@@dadadadada9554 honestly if he said something like "it was a good movie but not on the level of spiderman 1" then I would have been fine.

[@Сайтамен]

@@dadadadada9554 Nwh is pretty bad though, not as much as TASM2.

[@mrfreshman521]

ww requires dark clouds with lightning to fly. She is already made of magic just let her fly Director: no no no no, she will do spiderman shit with lasso as web and lightening and buildings to travel but more badass

[@NoESanity]

tbf, superman didn't originally fly, he use to jump really accurately. they could have been trying to get into that "they are super heroes not gods" realm... which is really stupid since the first wonder woman movie was literally "let's kill a god "

[@azraelwolfsblood2902]

This is the same guy who made a forty minute rant video about how Batman doesn’t kill but he’s okay with Wonder Woman not being true to her comic counterpart

[@omegaminoseer4539]

People aren't consistent in the things they don't master. Wonder Woman isn't his sacred cow so he won't hold her to it.

[@WGB-iagtcwcibitssdnw]

She's not punching people in the face. She's just flipping the cars there in, whipping them, electrocuting them, throwing furniture at them bashing them with her shield kicking them, and throwing them out windows not punching them in the face.

[@XenteBR]

You can like a movie and acknowledge it’s bad. I don’t think HiTop realises this. It’s more embarrassing to defend bad writing than enjoy it.

[@kaine7672]

Very concise video, Alex can be SO pretentious and biased, I'm glad someone called him on his bs.

[@DanielValentin0508]

At least Alex doesn’t try to hide it lol, of course he’s biased he never said his opinion and videos are fact, honestly I never cared much for “response” videos like this because this is all just saying why Alex’s opinion is wrong, that’s super douchey

[@kaine7672]

@@DanielValentin0508 I think that making disclaimers that no one can criticize your video because it's an opinion piece (which he does often), is cowardly and with some media he'll literally call a film objectively flawed because he misunderstood the film, or the film will literally make the same mistake as another film that he enjoys but NOW it isn't okay when a movie does it. He'll literally say something objectively false is a fact in his "opinion" pieces to try to add credibility to his argument. sorry about the essay, this sorta thing just gets me heated.

[@DanielValentin0508]

@@kaine7672 he never says anything he says is fact, and he never says that you can’t criticize his argument, that’s why he makes jokes about people criticizing him.

[@morbiuscrystal4875]

@@DanielValentin0508 funny how his Warshpers attack anyone, keep lying

[@lastmanstanding7155]

@@DanielValentin0508 This is the type of mentality that led to the "rape is subjective" statement. When you tell the world it can't critize you, the world will laugh at your existence anyway and point out everything. Saying "it's muh opinion" is just such a flimsy argument. It goes both ways. The minute you contradict it everyone will jump your ass. It's best not to set impossible standards. It's just debate common sense. But woah hey, that's my opinion. Feel free to tell me it's wrong.

[@incredibilistic]

So Diana is faster than bullets and also has the strength and flying abilities of Superman but wind from a wishing stone turned in to a human is apparently too powerful for her and her magic lasso. Who knew a wind machine was enough to take down a 5,000 year old god. I usually like HiTop's critiques but clearly he jumped the shark on WW84. A movie so devoid of logic and internal consistencies it's baffling that it got made.

[@ginogatash4030]

I find Hi Top's forced contrarianism really irritating honestly, at this point he clearly says this shit just to stand out and be all smug about it when his dumbass takes piss people off because writing an actually well thought out analysis is too much work.

[@christiankhaemba4318]

Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman is the reason I took a break from Hitop films

[@SpideyVerse-nx8wb]

I know right like those two movies are one of the worst modern films now I honestly like suicide squad better than both of them

[@morbiuscrystal4875]

Same, I don't need his opinion anymore

[@mechajay3358]

I just unsubscribe all together

[@Monie71793]

@@SpideyVerse-nx8wb That's your opinion, just like HiTop gave his. I don't get how everyone's mad @ his OPINION.

[@SpideyVerse-nx8wb]

@@Monie71793 no we’re mad about his hypocrisy in almost every video so stop talking about things you clearly don’t understand

[@hiddenmaster6062]

"Well my family and I can't live off good intentions, Marge. Oh your family is out of control, but we can't blame you because you have GOOD INTENTIONS." ~ Ned Flanders

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

Okay this is great! You deserve more subs giving one now

[@damianstarks3338]

Exactly.

[@FaF-z]

Been binging your channel. I hope you never give up

[@EpsilonIndustries]

I seriously appreciate that you put his deranged tweet AT THE END and primarily for comedic effect, thereby preventing people from holding a personal bias against his character that could make them more receptive to ultimately unrelated arguments. That's class right there.

[@grandeur2800]

Lighting swing was the coolest part of the movie for me. Still didn’t stop me from audibly expressing my incredulousness & bewilderment at her sudden ability to do so

[@razmw]

feeling: wait you care ? facts: i always care.

[@Whateveridksomething]

When you said daredevil is your favorite peace of media, I didn't even hesitate to switch accounts just to subscribe and like, the series is my favorite piece of media ever too, I will never ever find anything like it, it's really personal at that point not just a random series I found and loved, I love it to a point that I can't express it, great video man (for now) I agree with everything you said

[@Whateveridksomething]

@@jonts7 I actually wanted to, but it starts slow and has a lot of seasons there's no doubt that it's amazing a lot of people I know personally tell me to watch it but I have a very hard time trying to focus on slow series, but I've seen a bit of behind the scenes and stuff

[@mastercheif999]

Same man 👏 it’s crazy to me how underrated the show still is despite how popular it was when it first came out. S3 is the best written season of TV I’ve ever seen and probably ever will see

[@ayrtonjoga]

@@mastercheif999 Huh, rare to see people praising S3

[@mastercheif999]

@@ayrtonjoga Are you surprised because you don’t agree? Or is it just not a very popular opinion? 😅

[@ayrtonjoga]

@@mastercheif999 Oops I was actually wrong, it's not rare, now I've searched for general opinions of the 3 Seasons and generally S1 and S3 are considered the best But I've heard somewhere that S3 wasn't good and thought it was the popular opinion lol, but even if it was true I enjoyed S3 and remembered it has an epic climax, but it's been years since I've watched the show My comment is worthless now lmao

[@zardox78]

2:12 He seems to be unknowingly describing rules that apply better to music, not movies. It's _songs_ that aren't about logic and plot, even though they often tell a story. Songs are primarily about emotion and feeling. People can fall completely in love with a song having no idea (or the wrong idea) as to what it's about. We don't quite know why the first person narrator is "wastin' away again in Margaritaville". All we know is that even though some woman probably played a part in the untold backstory of why he is where is, in the end it's his own damn fault. And possibly he's just made breakthrough by admitting that, but that's pure inference. But a movie is a completely different animal. A movie is a short audio-visual novel. The story _is_ the point, or at least it's supposed to be.

[@NotRay1995]

Hi, madvocate! Good video. You honestly reminded me on why I don’t really love hitop films. His logic of thinking when it comes to films and television basically boils down to “Movie/show made me cry, therefore movie/show good.”

[@JustSomeGuyWithHalfAMoustache]

The CW flash reference just cracks me up every single time

[@rileyjfosbre6383]

I mean, since radio waves are a type of light, if the plane is actually invisible the radar wouldn’t affect the plane since the waves would just go around it… because magic. The problem then is that you wouldn’t be able to see out of the plane, since no light could get through the windows either. It’s quite the conundrum.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Followed HiTop when he criticized MCU Spiderman. He lost me with his defense of BoP and this movie.

[@mistogun6668]

What’s BoP

[@YBOT-BITTERs]

@@mistogun6668 birds of prey lol. The movie that's so quirky that its full title is a whole paragraph

[@optillian4182]

HiTop is a low-effort contrarian fraud.

[@morbiuscrystal4875]

@@mistogun6668 birds of prey

[@Coolsomeone234]

Birds of Prey wasn't that bad

[@user-utshi9ha]

Please keep making videos I think you're already my favorite channel

[@Tiriban]

Her lasso is like Spawn's cloak. It moves in a way that it needs to, based on the master's intentions.

[@kylefrank638]

Then why is it not just like Yondu's arrow? She doesn't ever need to physically sling it, it could just detach from her belt and slither around under her own willpower. Why didn't the movie tell us it's psychically operated? It seems to extend to whatever length is needed at the time, as with the boost Diana gains from the plane... so why did she ever fail to snag Lord's ankle? It could creep along the ground infinitely to get him, rather than trying to fly against the wind.

[@Tiriban]

@@kylefrank638 I don't know, maybe she didn't know it could do that, until it did. 🤔 maybe the movie is just crap. (It is)

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

spawn is so dope. i don't usually write stuff like this but i just feel I have to. his cloak is so dope

[@saint2972]

Meanwhile stargirls staff has a conscious of its own

[@Tiriban]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Spawn and his cloak are awesome!

[@will_of_europa]

Man you just got yourself a new sub cause I like your humor and realism.

[@GeminibBorn]

I challenge the statement, you love Daredevil Season 3 more than me! Otherwise I would say your video was spot on, also I, like you I assume, do enjoy HiTops videos but he was in his feelings when it came to this movie. Hilarious ending.

[@orientallegendcomics1316]

Finally, Someone calls him out on his hipocrisy! Everyone I see wants him to be the spiderman director for the new trilogy and I'm just hear doing several double-takes on his videos

[@aqualiusaidhreborn5923]

Yo, I recognize that Sigma symbol! Mega Man X brother right here!

[@mukonank783]

This channel has a tonne of potential. All you have to do is to do more movies, upload more oftenly, and the rest will take care of its self.

[@nickmilo932]

he doesn't seem to care that much, but when he uploads It's only bangers

[@whynot1548]

Everything HiTop is is the living embodiment of contrarianism and double standards. He's Incorporated, like most KZbin Critics

[@JustanotherNPC8454]

And this is when I stopped taking him seriously.

[@constructivecriticism2568]

So, in the weeks leading up to the movies release, I thought about how they could have done the invisible plane, and I thought since this was in the midst of the Cold War, it could have been a prototype spy plane with cloaking tech. Would that not have been easier?

[@NotRay1995]

A much better solution to explain the invisible plane would probably be making the jet a device that she often uses for stealth mission since she’s been secretly fighting crime.

[@rgama1173]

A lack of internal logic will always frustrate, confuse, and anger the audience. Which is terrible when you're trying to evoke other emotions.

[@jeremiahnsube372]

228th subscriber. I watched like 5 of your videos and their pretty consistent with their quality. Keep it up👍

[@soulpsychic2858]

I liked how near the end of the movie, the wish guy (I forgot his name) had someone wish that the tv wishing thing works. It’s sorta a silly explanation as to why it does but it is an explanation. However if something like that happens (being able to make someone wish that everything works out) means that what’s his face should never have lost.

[@julianolima3500]

I discovered that your channel existed this very afternoon. Went on a binge and this is, by far, your best video. Keep 'em coming, mate!

[@danujus77]

9:06 That actually does make sense. Radar is using type of light, radio as the name implies. Because radio waves are just very long light waves. If the jet is essentially transparent to all wavelengths of light. It would be invisible on radar because the microwaves just pass throght. Although I'm not sure if radar can detect a person sized object.

[@albuspercivalwulfricbriand5110]

please make more videos, please, this is just pure gold.

[@Max-zo3ms]

How are you only at 3k subs, This content is high tier!

[@yourfatboy5359]

Now at 15k!

[@yourbestfriend4843]

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[@yourfatboy5359]

@@yourbestfriend4843 glad that he is growing fast!

[@yourbestfriend4843]

@@yourfatboy5359 now 26k 🥰

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@yourbestfriend4843 hell ya

[@mastercheif999]

I always thought that I was the only one who loves Season 3 of Daredevil so much that it’s like a (near) universal standard of good writing for me. Glad to see I’m not alone ❤️

[@douglasjackson295]

8:51 Radio waves are light, meaning, if it is invisible to all waves of light not just visible ones, radar wouldn’t be able to see it.

[@mekingtiger9095]

I mean... that ain't wrong.

[@ALJ9000]

But you wouldn’t be able to see out of the plane if that was how it worked

[@Avarn388]

You have good taste because Daredevil on Netflix is fantastic, especially after rewatching it. Also, Daredevil is in my top five favorite superheroes. But I digress. Yeah, you make a great point about logic and consistency. Objectivity is simply identifying inconsistencies/ contradictions within a story. Whether or not they bother you is subjective. I often praise it like this. Imagine if you had a statue that was trying to be anatomically correct in terms of body body(think Statue of David) but one of its arms is smaller than the rest or if the statue is missing a body part? The objective flaw is the missing part/ out of portion limb. It's an error in the craft because the goal was to create an anatomically correct statue. Whether or not that bothers you that is subjective. You can appreciate the well-crafted parts and just the idea. But it doesn't change the fact that it is incorrect. The same applies to media. Avengers Endgame is a film that I very much enjoyed, but I recognize objectively it has a ton of problems. Confusing time travel rules, weird character choices(Thor, you were done dirty) and many other issues. I can still love it subjectively. Namely for the character interactions, the fan service(superficial as that is) and the final battle sequence. But it doesn't change the fact that those were errors present within the writing. And as you said, I can appreciate other pieces of media that do handle its final arcs/ climaxes better, like a FullMetal Alchemist, Last Airbender or even Infinity War(which still is my second favorite MCU film). Objectivity should be there to see if we can make media better/ praise those who can make consistent scripts and give us a roadmap of what not to do.

[@punchaduck6946]

I know she uses the lasso to swing from the clouds in the comics, but god that was way too goofy for me, sense it was supposed to be one of those “heart tugging” moments.

[@PsychoRavager]

I used to like HiTop Films, but, at the end of the day, he's too emotional and too passionate to be logical with his statements and sentiments, and he ends up being quite divisive (usually even intentionally so).

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

He will bend his standards and turn them into a mutated baby just to justify his enjoyment when he could just agree that he had fun with a bad movie

[@deliciadeconta2596]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 that's the thing, anyone can enjoy a movie, good or bad. But you can't ignore it's flaws and say it's perfect/mastespiece

[@zottorus6176]

i agree. this shows the most when he talks about the tobey maguire movies vs the tom holland movies. he swears he’s not biased but it’s so clear that he’s just a bitter old person who starts watching the tom movies and suddenly realizes “wait, im not watching spider-man 2 for the 200th time!! turn it off!”

[@cbmjoe06]

@@zottorus6176 exactly

[@fellinuxvi3541]

@@zottorus6176 Many criticisms can be labeled at HiTop, but this is the one that can't be taken seriously. He's anything but bitter, I would argue his weird positivity is more of a problem. Even if you thoroughly disagree with him on MCU Spider-Man, he does make actually substanciated arguments for preferring some films over others.

[@darklord884]

Wait, 'real fucking thing'? What real thing? Is he implying that bodyswapping souls of the dead and the living can actually hapoen?

[@spheroidling]

thanks for this, i had to rediscover this account in order to comment , but i really wanted to say thanks , for this and for the work you do to try and make future people make decent flash live action content. My brain was saturated with the plane thing and i didn't notice the lasso at the end( or pretty much anything) thanks for that laugh. You should watch the movie about a senseless future war with Chris Pratt, notice the poster is actually very similar to the one for edge of tomorrow :), i think it will make you smile 2.

[@mKTimberx]

If I may, the Invisible Jet part is actually valid, from a purely physics point of view. The only way to "make" something invisible would be to be able to somehow make the light bend around the object, instead of absorbing or reflecting it. Light being an electromagnetic wave, it may stand to reason that the waves radar uses to detect objects, which are also electromagnetic waves but at a very different frequency, would also bend around it. Therefore being invisible to the eye would make the jet invisible to radars as well. Now obviously, discounting the fact that bending light, while not impossible, isn't common (to say the least), making is work both at the light frequency and radar frequency, which are several orders of magnitude apart, is kind of ludicrous. That's it for the Physics lesson. I love your stuff by the way.

[@mKTimberx]

Although actually, it still doesn't make real sense. Bending the light around the plane would mean that it doesn't reach your eye, so you wouldn't be able to see anything beyond the actual plane. Not great to fly a plane.

[@cmdrsilvers9078]

New sub, watched all your videos in one day. Needless to say, I'm a fan. Please, for the love of God, make a magnum opus Daredevil video essay series. No one has really done it and that show deserves to be immortalized with the deepest of dives into its uniquely perfect coagulation of plotting, characterization, pacing, cinematography and theme.

[@heyitsvonage2768]

⚡THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN! ⚡Especially when her lasso has a mind of it's own like Doctor Strange's cloak

[@ytbvdshrtnr]

8:52 If light waves go through/around the plane (invisible) it's fair to accept radio waves do too

[@NoESanity]

i will say, most of the lasso stuff can kind of be waved away with the whole "it's a magical lasso" argument. in the comics there have been times when it works on it's own, and being magic things like expanding, moving, or even grabbing things that don't generally have solid form start to make sense. also if the lasso has a mind of its own, it explains how she can wrap it around things like bullets, because she just puts it in the area and the lasso does the rest of the work. but how hard would it be to establish with a line like "magical lasso, it's got some secrets even i don't know about" or "magic lasso it's got a mind of it's own sometimes"

[@vanroyal244]

That should've been established in the movies then. How is a casual movie-goer supposed to know that? Besides it didn't behave this way in any other movie, so something tells me that Patty Jerkins isn't a appreciator of wonder whamen, but just was too lazy to get wonder whamen out of solutions with the powers already established.

[@alexanderchippel]

Someday.... Someday I'll get my dream movie about a scantily clad Amazonian muscle babe ripping apart Nazi tanks.

[@ghosty918]

9:00 Radio waves and visible light waves behave very similarly. they are just different sizes. One is in the 300gigahertz range, the other 400terahertz. Making an object intangible to the electromagnetic spectrum would work on both but you can still hit it with a rock.

[@EDITRON]

Hey, congrats on the video appearance on the last EFAP...You deserve it for some kickass content. Keep it up!

[@glockmat]

That truck flip..., the truck is at minimum 10m~30ft long, this is low balling for trucks, during the flip we can clearly see that the driver cabin was a top of a vertical truck, since it did a full front flip before coming back to the ground, that means the driver AT MINIMUM fell something similar to a 3 store building, on his spine. Granted that fall isn't necessarily deadly, if you fall on your legs or you roll after falling, but the driver was seated, not in a braced position. So he at minimum has a broken spine, otherwise we can also assert that he felt from a higher equivalent height because the truck was cruising at highway speed, and most of the kinetic energy the truck had went very suddenly into angular energy, so assuming the truck was travelling at 72km/h, ~45-50mp/h, a 15ton truck has 3.000.000 J, assuming an angular momentum similar to a rectangle, and we can calculate that the truck was spinning at about 600rpm, so a drive 3m away from the COG, would be traveling at around 250km/h, lowball, so he impacted the ground at around 75m/s, an stopped in like .1 seconds, at most, so he experienced around (75/,1) 9,8 = 76Gs minimum. The record holder for most Gs survived is Kenny Brack at 171, this was a trained racer with experience in crashes in a car designed to help him and it crashed frontward. This poor bastard experienced it going upwards and in a truck that would definetly not save him

[@dariendarkhouse8538]

The invisibility she uses is a reflection of Zeus's invisibility he put on Themyscira, so she would be protected from all forms of tracking including radio waves. Still immensely stupid because she admitted she lost the one cup she successfully turned invisible. Plus, the movie didn't make her seem like a strong, independent person.

[@Ramsey276one]

I am AMAZED your oldest vid is just 8 MONTHS! SUPERB CONTENT!

[@RightBoyKA-POW]

In other words: Writers should focus on the Emotion, Logic and Plot (and giving the characters some common sense)

[@younghacker09]

awesome channel Madvocate, really enjoy your stuff! I will fight tooth and nail over which one of us love Daredevil more, though.

[@juliuskingsley4434]

Imagine if the rock could actually bring back the person, but wonder woman just finds this new vessel hotter.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

I literally had an argument with someone that said that plot holes and contrivances improve stories because of "character driven moments," and then he said that the entirety of the writing community believes that, and the only reason I disagree is because he assumed I've never taken a writing class. Then after arguing for hours, he ghosted me after I asked him to name where he attended a writing class or to name one of his teachers, or any respected writer who agrees with him.

[@Plaguedmon]

I like this but when you cut to the next point I’m just waiting for: THERES NO WHERE TO RUN

[@optillian4182]

*_A U D I F A M A M_*

[@chaseyt4301]

We definitely traumatized madvocate by making him make all those flash videos

[@ravenwarjoy]

That there's some real good, cheeky, and punchy editing. Such a simple yet powerful thing, to directly put two contradictory statements next to one another. Also, I came here from EFAP to make up for seeing it there first.

[@NotRay1995]

What is EFAP? I hear so many people criticising it but I don’t know what it is.

[@ravenwarjoy]

@@NotRay1995 It's a podcast about media analysis and responding to videos made about media hosted by Mauler, Rags and Fringy on Mauler's channel. The archive of previous episodes is on the "Mooler" channel if you're interested.

[@NotRay1995]

Okay, but why do people hate them?

[@ravenwarjoy]

​@@NotRay1995 Because EFAP's central premise is the separation of how much you enjoy something and what its actual quality is, and many people seem to not make that separation and feel attacked when something they like is criticised.

[@Burner-B]

"that's not the most effective way to stop something happening" There are whole arcs where the most effective way is the morally wrong way.

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

Well as far as Diana having a "journey" toward the satellite. I don't know if that was needed after all, she could ALWAYS fly.. The comics have her flying, the animated series has her flying... She was even established as flying in first movie.(climax) So that part I never had a problem with. The lasso of truth also has rather "tenebrous" abilities ascribed to it, but I've don't think I've seen it act independently(as Strange's cloak) or to "creep along like a snake", so that should probably have been explained on-screen. Beyond those quibbles though... Pretty solid stuff in your arguments, quite enjoyed it.

[@KissyG]

This is my favourite channel for film critiquing. You always nail it on the head even if I haven't even watched the movie or show. Quality content man. I already subbed and now hitting the bell icon. Keep it up! :)

[@lenny_boxx4206]

Sonic the Hedgehog despite having a theme that most children's cartoon have have better plot and logic than WW84

[@superbigblack]

How does she even talk to the world if she destroyed the camera the was sending out the signal to be "touched" by the stone? I just went to HBO and he does walk into the light so he's still projecting something out to the world. That doesn't make any sense either since the machine can only send out signals.

[@jcdenton2187]

2:25 "They are never entirely about the logic, they are never entirely about the plot" I'm reminded of Tenet, which is entirely about plot (and not a very good movie).

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

A good story has many parts. If ya got good characters, I think they can easily carry a story becuase you love seeing great characters react to different situations. The plot could just be buying groceries.

[@LegacyComics100]

The animated Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited come to mind on why logic and plot is important.

[@carolinecowley427]

Good video, the Invisible Plane coming out of nowhere bit did annoy me, but the mechanics of that do actually make sense. Radio waves, like light, are electromagnetic radiation, it makes sense that a plane that lets light pass through it would also let radio waves pass through it, making it invisible to radar.

[@OneofInfinity.]

Screenwriting is not one of Patty's talents.

[@Pteromaxylus]

I'm not sure how to link a part of the video, but this is about the 9 minute mark. If it goes invisible to visible light it isn't much of a stretch to also say that it is transparent to other light as well. Since radar just uses a different frequency of light than the ones our eyes use to see. I mean, it's already kind of magic since you can't really just make materials transparent without changing their physical structures which would completely destroy most objects.

[@beeyotch3381]

Holy sh8t these are addicting to watch. Im such a big fan of dc and marvel films and watching these are so funny and entertaining. Keep up the great work!! 👍👍

[@masterblaster6703]

First Id like to say great video I liked it a lot. At 8:51 you say how it should bounce the radio waves back on the invisible jet. But radiowaves are just part of the electromagnetic spectrum; just like light is. So the jet could also be transparent to the wavelength of the radiowave as well as visible light.

[@GSTE_]

Stealth aircrafts are designed to avoid detection using a variety of technologies that reduce reflection/emission of radar, infrared, visible light, radio frequency (RF) spectrum, and audio, collectively known as stealth technology. But I don't think this was ever stated in the actual movie so that is why it seems really confusing, but I agree with everything else you said.

[@nickhollerauer4295]

What are you talking about? It's supposed to be a panavia tornado, with a farcical side-by-side cockpit. These planes have no stealth characteristics.

[@GSTE_]

@@nickhollerauer4295 I was just saying what stealth aircrafts usually have, but it might of had those things, it definitely would have made sense if it did.

[@nickhollerauer4295]

@@GSTE_ fair enough. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

[@GSTE_]

@@nickhollerauer4295 it's alright, thats why I was just saying it might of had those things and they just might not have stated it, and to be honest having a literal invisible jet doesn't really make sense anyways, and neither does lots of stuff in super hero movies, but it's just a movie, and I just wanted to state that there could be a simple solution to why the plane was not able to be detected based on how real technology works.

[@nickhollerauer4295]

@@GSTE_ well, when you put it that way, I think that's a bit of a cop out. If they'd thought about the thing showing up on radar to that extent, they'd have put a line into the movie about it and/or made the plane at least resemble a stealth plane, but you know as well as I do that they're hacks and they didn't think of it. Let's not make excuses for them, even though maybe it would've been cool if it showed them tracking the plane on radar, then showed the plane disappear when she turned the plane invisible. Might have been an interesting visual, but it does raise all kinds of questions about thermodynamics that I guess could be handwaved when you introduce the idea of literal bullshit magic powers. In any case, they lost all credibility for this scene when they had the heroes steal plane that was on display as a prop that was not only in perfect working order, but was also fueled up and ready to fly, and the dude who used to fly planes in WWI was able to easily figure out how pilot the thing. If they couldn't see past the insane logistics of that nonsense, then you know they didn't think ten seconds about the various means of tracking stealth planes. I get where you're coming from but I'm not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. They did bad and they should feel bad.

[@spritemon98]

5:21 *several minutes later* "fuck.. I turned into a giant rock and cant move"

[@ethanjames5727]

Dude the love laser at the end of WW would’ve been better for the edit. “I believe in love”….explosion

[@max_garcia]

you got me several times with the "ad in 3 2 1"

[@jimy_rizu]

Netflix's "Daredevil" is a Gem!

[@caprisun315]

Bro My name is just playing in the background at 6:10 caught me so off guard lmao