Logic Pro 11 AI Session Players: Love, or Hate?

[@stoneyroberts9118]

Guess I’m the minority but actually I love the new features. Makes it easy for me being a guitar player and laying down my ideas and using the session players to back me. And being logics first implantation of it I’m sure it will keep getting better with every update.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

I agree. Imagine this stuff even one year from now. Strange, kinda confusing times we live in!

[@leew8417]

I’m on holiday at the moment so can’t check but from memory if you highlight your guitar track region and hit option/command/T then logic will write all your tempo changes automatically and also give you the option of choosing the average tempo etc thereby saving you doing it all manually and staying clear of smart tempo. This step has made it so easy to record ideas and then find out what the tempo is. I usually then re-record the idea to a fixed tempo.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

I appreciate the comment. That pretty much gives the same result as Adapt mode. I have not found any other way of getting VI's to play in time with recordings that are rubato in nature other than making a precise tempo map unfortunately.

[@Hammerman48]

Great for knocking up quick demos.

[@pop_polizei]

As for tempo mapping and automatic chord detection, Melodyne might be a great alternative for you. The tempo map that Melodyne creates can be imported into Logic as a MIDI file. Not sure about the chord progression, though.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

You know, I haven't even thought of using Melodyne for anything other than pitch correction. I'll check that out thanks! Cheers 🍻

[@midlifeadventures3138]

I found I got better result when I did all the ai stuff but then aligned it using the groove track feature.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Interesting! That actually threw things off for me when I set an audio track as the groove track.

[@juleslincredule]

Wow! i'm new to logic pro and you made my day. Thanx.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Awesome! Glad I could help 🙌

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Also, this vid might help too if you're brand new to Logic Pro ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJTGg4eLf8llabM

[@juleslincredule]

@@cuomomusiccreation Strangely that video was the second one I watch from you and realized how good you were. I think you like tricks and we like them too. Thank you.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

@@juleslincredule Oh cool! Great, I'm psyched you're finding this stuff useful, you're welcome

[@kouque5644]

Moesis can analyze chords based on audio nd it’s pretty accurate.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Nice I'll check that out, thanks!

[@eddiesimonmusic]

You’re right about Logic 11 … in the second example the drums don’t feel natural and it’s hard to listen to because it’s not human like Lots of tweaking is necessary… … I’m sure it’ll all get better I like your video and you are very talented and I like the pace on style and information you share is useful Keep up the good work Eddie Simon Media New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Thank you very much for the thoughtful comment! I agree, this is early days for the session players. It's scary to think how well these things will become... but at least then we won't have to go deep into the weeds with the fine tuning, but I probably still will haha. Glad you like the vid, thanks again 😃

[@damagedave]

So if the bassist doesn’t stay on the kick drum it’s a crappy bassist. If the drummer overplays and doesn’t do what you want it to do for the song. It’s a completely normal drummer

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Well since your comment closely approximates many real world experiences I've had, then yes I'd say Logic did a pretty good job 😆

[@bobbysbackingtracks]

Great stuff. If you would allow me to be totally honest, the background music while you are sharing your wisdom is very distracting. Thank you again! Liked and subbed!

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Thank you very much! I hear ya... the background music is tough because people either like it being there, or they don't. I experiment with both. Next upload I'll please the background haters, and then I'll get a comment about how my voice puts people to sleep haha 😆 I appreciate your honesty!

[@juleslincredule]

@@cuomomusiccreation your voice is great. Really. Give us more... sing... sing... sing!!!

[@cuomomusiccreation]

@@juleslincredule Thank you Jules! That's definitely the instrument that requires the most amount of upkeep, but the payoff is worth it. Glad you like my singing, I will do more of that for sure!

[@johnviera3884]

12:39 I would do that to some of the kick drums too

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Absolutely. I'm guessing that the abruptness and business of the session players will ironed out over time, but for now a lot of editing is needed to get them to sit right. Thanks for the comment!

[@johnviera3884]

@@cuomomusiccreation would be cool to figure out what in your sample is causing the algorithm into triggering that response maybe the persona of the player? did you pick Mr. Happy Feet ?

[@cuomomusiccreation]

@@johnviera3884 I briefly tried all of them, but in the interest of not getting bogged down in the weeds I had to settle on one of them and then edit from there. Is Mr. Happy Feet giving you good results?

[@johnviera3884]

@@cuomomusiccreation I haven’t installed it yet. I’m waiting for you guys to have the headaches first. I heard there is a “command R” bug for note repeating. Have you experienced this in logic 11?

[@cuomomusiccreation]

@@johnviera3884 Haha, good call! As far as bugs, I didn't talk about them in the video, because I run unorthodox rigs, so I don't want to spread bad info. However I did run into a few on this initial release.

[@pbasswil]

The more AI and gizmos my software gets, the less time I spend developing and 'reifying' the musical ideas that pop up in my head. In fact, I'm too occupied manipulating & tweaking to think about my own ideas at all.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

I totally get that. I actually hope that AI in the creative arts is more of a fad than the future... but that's probably wishful thinking.

[@pbasswil]

@@cuomomusiccreation One thing's for sure, the next generation will be totally used to AI, probably to the point it won't even be mentioned, it'll just be built into every aspect of the internet (

[@flaviosgpinto]

nice tips...thx!

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Awesome, glad it helped and thanks for the comment!

[@raybeeger1529]

AI is a buzz words for marketing. I love the new players to get ideas, nothing more. I make my drums in Superior Drummer, play the bass/guitar but the keys are very useful.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

I'm pretty much on the same page, but there is definitely something more "intelligent" about these tools over much of what I've tried.

[@inference_this]

good skills

[@cuomomusiccreation]

Thank you!

[@justindavidcuomo]

❤

[@Hammerman48]

I’m not sure the players are true AI. There are algorithms…..but I don’t think the players machine learn anything. I like it for what it is….but I think Logic has used AI as a current buzzword.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

If these are algorithmic, then there's some very intense code going on. They're far from perfect, but it's strange that they do seem to understand how to play, and not just what to play... even if it does take a lot of piloting on the user end to get usable results.

[@lechatsportif124]

Decent content but playing music while your talking is like a video about sushi showing random cheeseburgers in between sushi sampling.

[@cuomomusiccreation]

I've been experimenting with background music vs no bg music for a while... it looks like retention rate is actually increased when it's there. However I'll keep experimenting. Thanks for the comment.