Here’s What Happened To The Pirate Bay’s Founders

[@movierecap911]

These guys are legends. They provided access to information that was not available to people who couldn't afford it.

[@FR4M3Sharma]

Did you just provide a TLDR to us?

[@handlmycck]

"You know you're only as good as your last paycheck" - Silvio Dante, Sopranos.

[@ErikAdalbertvanNagel]

Especially windows and MS office. Fuck microsoft.

[@jasin9142]

Thx for the games

[@karemyacoob2635]

People who couldn't afford it should not have it. Or try harder to afford it... When I was kid I thought the same as you... But now when I know how economy works, It's just being thief. Imagine you have company. You have employees you need to pay and other stuff. Your company works 1 year on this project. Then half of people would download it for free. Would you be fine with that ? Ofc you wouldnt...

[@dimitar.dermendzhiev]

"Do you think piracy is moral?" It's definitely more moral than selling personal data to third party companies for money or tracking users on a daily basis.

[@victorbernard2721]

or consider this : it is moral.

[@Hidihidihidiho]

Completely agreed… but morality isn’t really the issue at all. Funny how pirated downloads are moral but not ethical while secretly spying and selling data is ethical but not moral.

[@aameralmutawa6171]

So True! its just show how the world is big unfunny joke

[@greatlost545]

I just downloaded a movie with pirate bay and KZbin recommend me this video lol

[@LegitoAnonymo]

Actually selling data is immoral, piracy is very moral.. actually a duty

[@saladinthedark7459]

Let's put it this way. When I was a kid, my parents had a total income of $300 combined (we live in Eastern Europe). $100 go for food. $100 go for taxes and other shit. $50-$60 go for unplanned expenses. So the whole family of 4, has got like $40 extra money each month. That's your clothes, trips, sweets, toys and so on. A single movie costs $30. Windows costs $300. Photoshop costs $500. A music album costs $15. You tell me, if it's realistic to actually buy any of these things. It was not a choice whether to pirate it or not. It was a question of ever getting access to it or not. These days, things are much better in the country and in my family in particular, so almost everything is bought and not pirated. But piracy is doing a great service to people who don't have a lot of resources. Many children learned languages, received education and gained culture thanks to piracy. Without it, we would have just been isolated from the rest of the world.

[@pradap2298]

true I understood

[@SaeedAbdulRaheem]

Software is made with sweat and blood of developers. It takes months / years to develop them. It's not fair to steal them. If you don't have money, don't buy it. Simple as that.

[@Ps1ClassicGameplay]

@@SaeedAbdulRaheem Most people who pirate eventually become paying customer's but whit out exposure to the content or learning how to use the software they would have never done it. I know at least 2 video editors who started out whit pirated software and eventually bought the creative license from adobe. And that is a very common among video editors.

[@tormendor8585]

@@SaeedAbdulRaheem the devs dont lose any money from poor people pirating things, because they wouldn't buy the software anyway. If someone has the money and still pirates the software, then you have an argument.

[@LeiSnows]

@@SaeedAbdulRaheem lul. Screw em. Eat the rich.

[@dakshdewde2312]

If buying isn’t owning then pirating isn’t stealing

[@NeuroStrings]

FIREEEEEE

[@SubhadeepDas]

Word

[@StevenHallOfGaming]

hell yeah man preach it cost us 100 of dollars to be able to do these things between the cost of the devices to the product from electricity to the cost of the internet and yet they say we don't own any of it. they could burn us at any moment, we will be out $1000 of dollars and some of us will be out 10s of thousands but they say we have no rights to own or speak yet we have the right to make them billions while they take aim to shit on us

[@richb.4374]

Bingo!

[@madcow5833]

And it isn't, so it isn't.

[@lordbayron8510]

Love how piracy is referred to as immoral, yet more than 80% of companies and services wouldn't know morality if it hit them in the face, double standard?

[@PrivacyEnt]

piracy morality argument is just a mere tool to boost BuSiNeSs of said companies and services

[@ligafftheindifferent3495]

Not taking sides, but your argument is crap. Two rights do not make a wrong. Nor is there a morality shift in stealing simply because the victim is immoral.

[@lordbayron8510]

@@ligafftheindifferent3495 My argument is to consider piracy as a counterweight on a scale, not bully/victim situation without it one part of the scale has everything, no balance, and that's exactly what happens, companies get more greedy, fail promises, some resort to open scamming and over-promising. If they do not break a promise and produce a quality product, most people(who won't pirate anyway) will support them, buy stuff, many pirates do the same. I noticed something, I'm over 20 years on the internet at this point, every time piracy is weakened, companies become bolder, more money-hungry, and fail more. This World needs piracy to exist to keep companies in fear and in check.

[@elidrissii]

Morality for thee not for me.

[@giriprasadkotte9876]

Immoral, yes. Double standards, yes.

[@cawashka]

I owe these guys a part of my childhood. Without them, I wouldn’t have played even half the games/watched the movies that I did.

[@mirkogiljaca1051]

Me Too, and So Many Others! :D Forever In Love.

[@pokiblue5870]

A VPN is the best investment you can make. Hiding activitys attached to your IP adress.

[@cawashka]

@@pokiblue5870 the country I live in never gave a flying fuck about piracy lol

[@Aycheffe]

@@pokiblue5870 you dont even need a vpn worst case you literally say "sorry" to your isp if you seed something thats too hot and they suspend your internet, they will always turn it back on they don't want to lose a customer. I been doing this forever

[@ThePandafriend]

​@@Aycheffe It depends on the country. In some countries, for example Germany, piracy can become very expensive. But either way, this sounds like unnessecary trouble. A vpn service isn't very expensive (you can even get limited access to some for free), so why bother? Plus there are always one click hosters. Sure, in theory the vpn provider could give your information to the authorities, but it's rather unlikely that the data will be used for catching pirates. For example people who are sharing and making cp or people who buy and sell weapons or drugs on a large scale are targets. And no vpn provider or file hoster which provided access to copyright holders comes to my mind.

[@EE-xw4sb]

I absolutely dont know how my life would have looked like without PirateBay. We're poor and things I needed as reference material or softwares or even books are expensive and this saved us. They are heroes man.

[@BeyondTheDaily876]

facts

[@davidcorodeanu4535]

if paying someone less then 1-5% of what he makes is moral then yeah piracy is also moral . society is not that moral as people may think it is and what's normal it's normal only because the majority does it not because it's good or it helps in any way ... half of the rules are made just for the rich people to stay rich and get even richer with no regard for the common or poor man the truth is the government only cares about money and itself not the wellbeing of it's nation

[@OSYofRR]

@@davidcorodeanu4535 Considering what the politicians and elites do to get rich and remain in power, yea this is moral :P

[@holdondearlifek]

@@davidcorodeanu4535 this reminds me of a quote from my favorite show "Mr. Robot" Everyone steals! Do you think people get exactly what they deserved? No either they are overpaid or under someone always in the chain gets bamboozled thats how it works for me My code with socierty is I dont get caught if you can catch me I go to jail if you can't then I have earned it.

[@pikachu3746]

@Stefan Živković ne prdi sine zivota ti

[@buwburbhbjeqbb6790]

Seriously these guys are legends. They provided me books, movies and other content which wouldn't have been accessible to me otherwise.

[@daneruc5]

Agree loved the site long time.... I have been offline for awhile and trying to get back in the game. What site can we connect to access movies like we used to with PB. Thank you

[@SYMBIOTE7645]

Goddammit well here we go... PIRACY IS A CRIME

[@compound118]

​@@SYMBIOTE7645 hey look if it isn't captain obvious

[@SYMBIOTE7645]

@@compound118 Ay my Bad my guy

[@SYMBIOTE7645]

@@compound118 Because They were Legends And probably I'm going to Search The Pirate Bay

[@maridegall]

These guys helped us soo much back in the days, we were poor and couldn't afford a lot of things. My daughters got quality shows to watch that we couldn't otherwise afford and we used it to get my wifes books for school and such. Thank you soo much Pirate Bay. You made a huge difference in a lot of people's quality of life.

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

Dont be lazy get a job

[@MitsurgyS]

@@ulrichkristensen4087 i bet you're like 17 years old

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

@@MitsurgyS no, i have a family career, assets, i started working when i was 14, got two college degrees.....if you always blame yourself for wanting stuff you can not afford, you will never get it, stealing is not an option, i wonder if you are hungry you steal food, or if you need a car you jack it. Get a job save prioritize invest, enjoy the fruits of your labour.

[@MitsurgyS]

@@ulrichkristensen4087 you are not an adult and i do not belive in your cliams. Any adult has enough brain cells to realise that all across the globe there are different countries with different economies, lifestyles and politica/social/economic issues. There are litteraly people in the world beinf worked to basically death and their wage isn't even enough to take care of themselves and their own. And then an entitled kid with no consciousness whatsoever yaps on about "getting a job" lmao. Long live the pirate life, and fuck the money/power hungry that make others lives worse.

[@groz9831]

@@ulrichkristensen4087 You're the reason why people have no faith in humanity, because you can't take the term "if the shoe was on the other foot" to heart. You're a privileged individual who doesn't understand the concept of prioritising spending where possible, you were given money out of pocket from your parents your whole life and that's shown. I've never stolen a car, I've never robbed a house, but I dare say I've stolen things online purely out of necessity or a lack of funds put aside because I'm spending them on things I absolutely need to survive -- like food, electricity, and everything in between. Nobody is blaming themselves for things they can't afford, sometimes people just don't have the financial ability to afford luxuries, it's the reason why poverty exists and it always will.

[@Awpsun]

These founders deserve a biography or a movie made on them.. they're absolute legends

[@tommyjones1357]

Hollywood making a movie about the guys who ripped them off? As silly as that sounds, some fine yid will make it happen and it’ll be a huge hit!

[@enzovaleiro2967]

@@tommyjones1357 who said Hollywood?

[@jackblack2564]

@@tommyjones1357 Fuck Hollywood. Garbage ass movies.

[@readyredpanda127]

@@enzovaleiro2967 I am taking film class in high school and this idea sounds nice

[@agsantana]

There is a movie about the trial, called TPB AFK.

[@pritishbose6611]

the creators of the "game of thrones" actually thanked pirate users for downloading their series on a collosal scale. the creators felt humbled that their content was that great that people were downloading it like crazy.

[@DeathValleyDazed]

I believe that a decade or more ago Microsoft encouraged pirated windows software in China to expand its presence which worked like charm.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha, that’s hilarious

[@egg-iu3fe]

@@DeathValleyDazed what's the point of increasing presence if they're not making any money from it though

[@varshithgoud2246]

@@egg-iu3fe it's expands their userbase then eventually they end up Being purchasing it later on thats what i think so

[@gabrieltorres6484]

I think the point is it sky rocket its popularity across the world just before online stream was a thing is most countries.

[@aname4390]

>Gets arrested for piracy >smuggles usb stick with movies into prison Really shows that piracy is unstoppable.

[@mayconlcruz]

Keep seeding, my beautiful people!

[@minipz9thebastfiiter509]

hot take: ppl should use piracy only to find lost media content when no other option are available!

[@octavianepure8004]

​@@minipz9thebastfiiter509 sure... it will be moral at first, but then it becomes so tempting... "just one more cigarrete, tomorrow I won't smoke at all !" We all have the seed of corruption deeply seeded in our systems - CEOs use this seed to exploit every one and everything, us regular folks do the petty theft, like piracy. One man steels pay from 1000 employees, another man steel 10 movies... None is moral.

[@notrius7754]

@@minipz9thebastfiiter509 what ever corporate drone number 536456

[@hundkebab2433]

​@@minipz9thebastfiiter509 nah

[@matman000000]

These guys have had a bigger impact on the globalization of art, technology and information than all the top media companies combined. They gave people access to data regardless of nationality, wealth or censorship. Without them, I wouldn't have seen half the movies I've watched simply because they weren't available in my country. Corporations tried so hard to destroy piracy until they realized that the only way forward is to offer a more convenient service for a reasonable price.

[@NoneNullAnd0]

"Piracy is always always a service problem." - Gabe Newell.

[@GeorgeZaharia]

If you can't afford food then you are not working, is how our societies work. If you don't use your time to farm, work for money or build shit you ain't productive therefore you ain't eating nothing. I doubt information would've changed anything for a grave digger. Or a master house builder that went to school and learned all that shit.

[@STANLEY2BRICKS]

and porn. dont forget that porn.

[@Bobylein1337]

And then they destroyed it again by splitting up the content in a dozen of services and geoblocking

[@acorgiwithacrown467]

@@GeorgeZaharia If only you knew how little some people work for millions. Aside from that your just factually wrong, mass education has had a massive impact on the lives of everyone.

[@EpyonRoyal]

Pirate Bay and chill was a real thing before Netflix.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

😂

[@i_am_ironman3380]

Still is.

[@poderis1088]

Yeah, but Netflix is actually older than TPB

[@foodhoarder9434]

@@poderis1088 I think you missed the point

[@foodhoarder9434]

@@poderis1088 actually 🙄

[@websterj5844]

These people are legends for people like us in africa, pirated softwares are helping us develop our communities. Many small businesses are springing up, powered by pirated softwares, people are running small photo studios using pirated photoshop. We owe these founders a lot. We are really grateful.

[@ItsNotJustRice]

That's so awesome. As a dude from Central America, I don't know the struggles of a small, growing community. These guys really did help shape the entire world, all the little stuff we never knew about affects all of us!

[@sedolfmanuopoku3058]

Very true my bro🙌🙌

[@billgillette2859]

You are thieves. Peopel like me who pay full price for the software are in reality subsidizing you. And then we have to compete with you at lower rates than are practical because you don't have the overhead we have. It's theft times 2. If I pirate software here in the states I'll get a fine of tens of thousands of dollars.

[@sanadanosa]

same thing happens here in southeast asia. those pirated softwares brought chances to many talented people who otherwise cannot afford to pay for the software. It really lifted up a lot of people out of poverty!

[@sud-ong]

@@billgillette2859 Nah, we’re just returning the favor after you first worlders invaded our countries for resources and free labor. You get stuff, we get ideas, for free. Win win.

[@ZafrasF]

They weren't wrong about piracy. There are plenty of people who can't afford a lot of the software as children but they become familiarized with the software and end up paying for them later in life when they can afford it.

[@MrPenobe]

That's what I did. Couldn't afford to buy them as a younger person so I would do that & now I just buy the games I enjoyed even if I don't play them. But I prefer to just go legitimate these days. Since its easier, safer, less buggy, Gets updates, supports the developers, DLC can be used, lots of good reasons to buy if you can & now with steam allowing a 2 hour trial makes a huge difference in making sure you get a game you enjoy and are not just out the money if you don't.

[@vipersb1]

Agreed, so long as the software is reasonably priced. A lot of software is subscription based now, which all but guarantees I'll pirate it. They'll never learn.

[@minexer]

same. pirated far cry 3 when i was 14. and i've bought it a total of 2 times in later years. pc and xbox. piracy is good. as long as its still better to pay for stuff for including possible online play and such. but im never gonna pay for another game ive pirated because most companies are sooo govermental.

[@democratic_chocolate2067]

I remember pirating various games as a kid only to start modding the for fun and learned alot about computers from then

[@mooripo]

I am one too, from Morocco, a poor country, meaning their statement is actually correct

[@FlexibleMind63]

on behalf of African countries, I salute these guys, we literally can't afford shit, in my country people are getting payed between 140 and 280 USD a month, so... these guys made things possible for us.

[@warbrain1053]

I agree. You know when a ps-4 costs more than an average salary that you won't be able to buy anything made for europe/usa paycheck

[@bearwitnesswar]

Eastern Europe is also grateful. When a recently launched game costs 1/4 of an average salary, one can either get a pirated version, or wait a couple of years until that game becomes more ignored and deserted by the majority of other players so that its price goes down enough that it can be affordable.

[@ajcosta]

That's fucking great to hear. Bringing software to more people only does good for them!

[@the_kombinator]

@@bearwitnesswar I don't see the allure in new pay-to-win games. I've got 200+ DOS games which are much more well done and fun/engaging than any new "game" out there...

[@gpweaver]

@@the_kombinator You should play the From Software games. No pay-to-win, no microtransactions to buy fucking hats, just pure, hard-as-balls gaming. I'm old, too, and I'm totally with you pay-to-win bullshit. And classic games :)

[@joelmathew616]

Pirate bay has played a huge role during my teen days, learning to use pirate bay is still one of the highlight moments in my life And I hope to one day pass this info to the coming generations

[@jonathankabasele985]

Man of culture

[@ErikAdalbertvanNagel]

Learning to use piratebay? You mean able to download with utorrent is your big achievement?

[@ko-Daegu]

“Learning” ??

[@millevenon5853]

@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel it's actually quite difficult at first

[@TheBucketSkill]

@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel I mean also learning how to not get burnt as well.

[@madcyborg1822]

I used to live in Serbia after the war. The economy was in shambles and no one had money for anything. Paying 30-60 dollars for a video game, or 20 dollars for a movie, was considered a rude joke. Piratebay provided me with a lot of stuff I would have never got. One of the most memorable moments of my life was playing Metro 2033 during a cold winter, that would have never happened if Piratebay had never existed.

[@guzz_lightyear]

Dude, I totally agree 100% with you. Though my situation was different because I used to live in Venezuela, and same deal, 20 dollars or 60 for a movie/game was impossible, so I went into pirate bay to download hundreds of games that otherwise wouldn't had the chance to play. Now that I live in another country and have a better economy, I buy my games, suscriptions, etc and even, bought games that I already played years ago just bc I feel the need to retribute a bit for all the fun I had with such games. Cheers mate.

[@realspeedghxst]

Same here in macedonia man we download anything for free I mean that's the whole balkan

[@kristijanzikic1970]

It's still the same. 60 dollar game equals to one fourth of our monthly paycheck. So basically, after paying the bills and shit, you can choose, will you buy a game and eat bread and salt until the next paycheck, or will you eat normally and pirate the shit out of it. 6k isn't a small amount over here.

[@bl00dline360]

@@guzz_lightyear y ahora escribes Inglés muy bien,todo bien mi pana? Donde vives ahora en Inglaterra?

[@zazu9117]

@Diablo of Crypto And you are proud of being brainwashed?

[@Counterhackingsafe]

From being persecuted by the law to becoming legends of the digital world, The Pirate Bay's founders truly embody the rebel spirit of the internet. Their story is a testament to the power of community and the fight for freedom of information.

[@festeezy]

change into digital champions toooooo save the digital world!

[@shangerdanger]

Imagine paying for adobe software and then it still crashes every 30 minutes lmao

[@Stellarspace95]

Imagine not paying for Adobe and it never crashes😎

[@bumndrass]

Imagine having a PC so crap that it crashes every 30 minutes when you run Adobe software.

[@zhoolanderpink7557]

Imagine not using MS Paint

[@KotleKettle]

Photoshop, Premier doesn't crash at all for me. Even on i3 9100, 1050 Ti, 8 Gig ram. After Effects doesn't crash, but it requires a lot of ram and this spec is too low for it. Adobe Audition crashes a lot, though -___-

[@VarietyGamerChannel]

@@bumndrass Imagine Aliens

[@vafixer8885]

These guys are the true kings of the internet and are not sung about enough, they represented the best side of the internet freedom of information to help the less fortunate, when I was broke i pirated everything because I had no choice. Now i have a good income and choose to buy because that offers a better experience than pirating but its good to know even if your broke you still have access and are not shunned by society. I love these guys, ill say it again big balled kings

[@TeamPill]

THat's childlike logic If I ever saw it.

[@ImmortalXGaming]

@@TeamPill no

[@bakkah7733]

@@TeamPill And I can't find a logic in your disapproval

[@TeamPill]

@P S Doesn't understand that if you reduce or remove the profitability of intellectual property, then people will stop creating it unless they're extremely passionate and would make it anyways. I mean do I really need to explain why stealing is bad?

[@AzngameFreak03]

God tier are those who make AI.

[@macdonaldchaboka6117]

I grew up in Africa where minimun wage is less than 1$a day so my parents obviously couldn't afford 60$for a new game, so i would've missed those games and content regardless if it weren't for these legends, i am eternally grateful for whatever they did it made my childhood fun as a gamer and movie pirate

[@thegoose4]

i know, it was always very helpful, it was a lot easier though for me cause im south african

[@ericoliver1603]

sail the seas my friend, yo ho yo ho a bottle of rum and all that

[@LAVATORR]

Okay but you realize video games aren't a human right? Like if you said "I grew up in Africa and didn't have access to clean drinking water," I'd get where you're coming from, but "I GOT TO PLAY DOOM ETERNAL" is just fucking childish.

[@liammclin5722]

@@LAVATORR fed post

[@slyseal2091]

@@LAVATORR Yeah, african people shouldn't have access to entertainment, think of our factories quotas!

[@deepspacetech3000]

Priorities of the American government: Child labor in Asia for cheap shirts? "Fine." Island in Caribbean for rich deviants? "Sure." Pirated copies of God of War or Halo Reach? "Crucify them!"

[@Pre-op8ut]

@@deepspacetech3000 where does that leave nudity?

[@minipz9thebastfiiter509]

Piracy to find Lost Media? ... Torture!

[@1.618_Murphy]

Just a friendly reminder: It's always morally accurate to use pirated Adobe

[@oochi]

Exactly. Imagine paying 400 bucks for this buggy piece of shit

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Why do people value Adobe software so much? Open-source products are designed to enable you to do things, not hold you back: GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, Blender ... lots of them. And you don’t have to be dishonest to use them!

[@1.618_Murphy]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Exactly! Agreed 100%! But the thing is, people are very much used to with Adobe Photoshop! Just imagine a piece of software that has been around for 3 consecutive decades and has millions of tutorials! Not to mention its compatibility with pretty much any graphics design software!

[@BlackLotusVisualArchive]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Adobe is the industry standard and the thing is, Adobe products can all interact with eachother, streamlining work. Open source is great but the software can't interact with eachother in the way adobe products can.

[@ВасяВасин-ю7й]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 In fact, the more complex work you should perform, the less suitable are the open source products become. MS Office vs Open/Libre Office is the same story, by the way. I don't know exactly why it is so, but it's fact.

[@tylivalord]

If piratebay didn't exist, I doubt our current state of software development, and entertainment would get as far as it currently does. Thank you Peter, Fredrik, and Gottfrid.

[@MarcelE80]

For sure. I wouldnt have learned all the softwares and developed my skills that I am now hired for. They get their money back in the end

[@arkdon477]

Nothing have advanced our technology more than war and crime. Imagine all the software that was shared coupled with the software developed to stop it. It's a perfect storm.

[@Cyclobomber]

I'm pretty sure sales of everything would be lower and some music bands or filmmakers would never have left their own borders. Also some obscure but good games would forever remain unknown. Not mentioning rare songs impossible to find on a physical copy anywhere for whatever reason, or lost stuff lovingly digitized before it was too late.

[@asi.izzygizmic]

there wouldn't be netflix or spotify if piracy didn't exist

[@wojakthecrusader1410]

@@asi.izzygizmic true that these so called companies calling them out immoral but at the same time they somewhat help out making ideas that was going to be avaible for future

[@delavago5379]

All the games I pirated while i was a kid I now own them on steam with a library of over 100+ games. Granted I don't game anymore but pirating them while was young made me want to buy them one day. Skyrim for example

[@KindredKin]

I think all the games that I pirated, that were actually fun to play, I paid for later.

[@maxttk97]

Same. I buy them now but don't have the time to play them again.

[@delavago5379]

@@maxttk97 same. My life is all about work and adulting now 💀. I wanna play but don't have the energy to

[@paytonthomas4075]

Whats the statue of limitation for this again..

[@zinussan50]

Agreed. Missed those moments as youngling pirates. Never ashamed for what I've done. 😅 Today, im proud to see myself able to buy any new games. Thanks to those pirate collection which makes me a hardcore gamer. Haha

[@mattyk82]

This is a great example of people power. We dont have to be the elite, we dont have to be seen as "important" but we can work together and overpower those who are.

[@octavianepure8004]

That's how the elites subdued us: they work together against all the rest. It's the only thing needed to succeed: team work. A pack of several wolves will always have the upper hand against 100 defensless sheep.

[@drikali]

These guys are like the Robin Hoods of internet. Long live Pirate Bay.

[@Whitey23]

except that they didnt care about the money xD

[@FSXgta]

@@Whitey23 about equality, not necessarily about being rich

[@yves.lummer]

I hope you get robbed too :) That would also be a step for freedom

[@dunglifemovement]

these guys and MegaUpload ;)

[@mrthebuticanthavethathandle]

@@yves.lummer Can i ask something? What about it is robbery? What part of it?

[@Smegger1999]

Piracy was a viable option to avoid paying for multiple satellite or cable channels. The advent of streaming services like Netflix could have killed piracy. But when each Corporate entity wanted their own streaming platform (HBO, Amazon, Hulu, Disney etc.) piracy became viable again. Because who wants to pay for multiple streaming services?

[@BoxiesAU]

That's exactly whats happening here in Australia, my friends are cancelling streaming services in droves. It got to breaking point for the regular user needing so many subs.

[@shawziiz5031]

Fact

[@Iisakki3000]

Pirating is still easier than hunting down the subscription service that has the things you want to watch

[@TomTehIdiot]

Totally. That’s kind of what happened with the music industry. Each music streaming service has nearly identical and comprehensive libraries and music piracy is much less common today than it was before streaming.

[@MnM008]

Telegram is used by pirates these days

[@skk6811]

Imagine the whole creative industry without the existance of pirated Adobe software.

[@ramzichouk4080]

Imagine living in a country where the average income is 100 dollars per month and buying a software from a billionaire company for 600

[@tamax229]

@@ramzichouk4080 exactly....

[@skk6811]

@@ramzichouk4080 100 dollars a month? Where do you live?

[@rcamacho364]

Nearly an entire generation of creators would never have existed.

[@MAGAIVER]

I learned to use Adobe's software with pirated versions and ever since I started actually making money with the work I do using such software I became a paying customer have been since 2015.

[@raresandrei7205]

Piracy is not moral, it's a obligation. A duty each one of us has to do to keep the internet what it is. Especially in the age of live service and subscription spam

[@octavianepure8004]

[@lezlienewlands1337]

The trick with The Pirate Bay is that it transcended beyond a server running on a laptop to an idea. And the fact that the base software exists both offline and online in loads of places around the world means you can't delete it permanently. Gabe Newell said it best: "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem". Netflix was once the one stop hub with a flat price per month for the entire catalogue that they licensed in. Then all the various media companies decided "We can make more money by having exclusive access to our content on our platform!" This fragmented the market. Piracy returned, more powerful than ever.

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

yup been happily flying the high seas and cancelled all netflix disney plus amc paramount hulu prime video apple tv plus etc...

[@FriedEgg101]

More and more people I know are getting firesticks.

[@ogxboxmike]

Agreed, the film and music business try to milk every penny out of everything and the result is people go back to Piracy. If all the Hollywood companies got together and had 1 streaming service that they all owned and profited from and that service had ALL the content for one monthly sub then there would be fewer pirates. I refuse to pay for anymore than the NF and D+ subs i already pay. I will find everything else not on those two..... Elsewhere :)

[@majstealth]

damn, i dont even have a tv, just a nas and a 4k display to show the ripped dvd´s we bought, which in itself would also be illegal, but i dont care anymore...

[@Notaweebiswear]

on that same mentality, once TV packages no longer had anything to offer and streaming services dominated. Even people who usually watch TV have switched to online viewing or piracy. Especially the latter, since you put it nicely, the corporate greed has once again drove the masses to The Pirate Bay

[@charactermeringue]

I owe a lot to pirate Bay. I had just lost my job and was so broke I had less than usd10 to my name. I started offering services to clients using software downloaded from the site and built up a steady client base. As soon as I could afford it, I bought the original software. Expensive considering the exchange rate and low income in my country (average monthly income is around usd600) so pirate bay really helps. These guys are heroes.

[@XTheOneCat]

Im happy for you. good job

[@AC3handle]

So you managed to pull yourself up by your 'bootstraps'? Imma call you Bootstrap Saad.

[@Nereus00]

this is a beautiful story

[@CursetheVandal]

@@AC3handle without people like you nicknames wouldnt exist not all heroes wear capes lol

[@charactermeringue]

Thank you! - Bootstrap Saad

[@JCVC1986454]

They are legends. The entire low income world owes these guys everything, even some upper and middle income people. People just got tired of not being able to afford to eat because of information they needed. Well done

[@cfvgd]

Martin Garrix and Avicii used pirated software.

[@paulrayner6744]

@@cfvgd Alan Walker as well. Pretty much most of his VSTs were pirated

[@cfvgd]

@@paulrayner6744 🤭

[@Griphen84]

Yes, truly legends and heroes! Because of Vanguard and Blackrock people are poor and remain so.

[@hobojohnson9980]

absolutely moral. I have used it for nearly half my life... and will never stop using it. Thanks Piratebay and Isohunt founders for your courage and persistence. You have made a life for me.

[@Name-se3lf]

Pirate Bay will never die, legends forever

[@damoblake6000]

Pirate bay is just like any other torrent provider such as KAT

[@Road2Heaven123]

You guys ever listened to the words of Christ (The Gospels) without any prejudices? It would be interesting for my study if you do this and respond to this later thx 🙂❤

[@andrewbeaton3302]

100%.

[@TWARDOWSKY.]

The Pirate Bay’s is what internet was found for.

[@wearejungians]

@@Road2Heaven123 God is dead and YOU killed him.

[@MrCherryzz]

That site saved me hundreds, if not thousands, in text books for college. The idea of having to buy a new text book that held the same information as the last just because a new issue came out is ridiculous and immoral, both economically and environmentally immoral.

[@CarbiCan]

Books are also in the bay? This is actually useful, because as you said, little changes appear between a years worth of new editions. If it was say 4 to 5 years, then it would have more changes. I also heard these books go for around 100$ plus or so isn't it?

[@MrCherryzz]

@@CarbiCan oh yea, PB saved me a lot of money. It could easily be 250 per text book and 50-100 for books about literature. One of the many things that help me not go into crazy debt during college.

[@DrewskiGames24]

Didn’t know books were on there

[@kevinthiago413]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5a3qpWBgZajg5Y&ab_channel=QuestionCopyright

[@ionic7777]

Holy cow maybe I should try doing that

[@WorldofAnimals00]

Being super honest, these were the dudes who made Internet popular. It is not Google nor Facebook

[@autohmae]

pretty sure that was porn, even a song exists about it

[@martinafghahi]

@@autohmae what song?

[@autohmae]

@@martinafghahi "the internet is for porn"

[@SajalKishoreRastogi]

Even in my teenage years, I've used piracy sites more than porn sites.

[@mijikanijika]

@@autohmae not really

[@UAVet2022]

Thank you to these guys i got to enjoy life as a child regardless of my family past. I got to wake up looking foward to play games on my computer. Now days as a adult i try to support companys as much as possible. But growing up in violence and no money i got to create my own virtual reality. Thank you. You guys will never be forgotten.

[@nooneimportant2591]

i hope you are doing better now

[@Jai.159]

Hats off to the founders, they helped people establish their creative skills by providing pirated softwares

[@robertoromerro]

I doubt that most such people are creatively successful.

[@homienum2121]

@@robertoromerro you do know all the gaming companies are now outsourcing projects to India and china and other asian countries ...guess how the poor asian people suddenly know how to use them and even compelled VFX production houses to outsource projects to these countries ... because they got it for free

[@robertoromerro]

@@homienum2121 I wasnt thinking about that, i just thought they would make it as indies.

[@wizrank]

@@homienum2121 woh woh wait a sec, what u just said right now shows your ignorance and is stupidly cliché! Why? Honestly i dont have the energy to give the explanation to u...so do some research on your own if u want to know or leave it at that!

[@earthbound8809]

@@wizrank explain then?? you certainly have the energy to respond.

[@absolutezeroYT]

Remember guys pirating Adobe software is always morally correct. edit : - Wow ! 2k likes, thank you guys.

[@LogikalHindi]

😂

[@kousik8042]

Ya adobe paid software are literally bloatware... Pirated software are clean.... What is there to laugh?

[@chiaza7735]

And EA games too, lol

[@iFailGames]

As a paying member of Adobe's Creative Cloud, I am not even going to argue against that. 110% support the statement. 😂

[@maxsievers8251]

To use proprietary software is never morally correct.

[@rockaheror1391]

These 3 founders went to jail for us and kept piratebay alive. They were heroes beyond words

[@aashishrupani4948]

not all heroes wear cape 🙌🙌

[@thisbevibhor]

So is that what they mean when they say that the Jesus died for us? Excuse the ignorance, I'm Hindu.

[@bnb7094]

@@thisbevibhor Jesus is the embodiment for your ability to REASON. Reason died for us (when Society refused to use reason to make wise judgments) and the writer of the Bible left us a way to get it back through parables that you cannot understand without using your ability to REASON. When REASON comes back it will be a Renaissance. Therefore the second coming of Jesus-Christ will be a second Renaissance. Jesus is (The Son of God) The son of (Hope). "God" is the embodiment of your (Hope to live a happy life). When you read the Bible simply replace god with hope and (Messiah, Jesus, Christ, son of God) with reason. (The Holy Ghost) Is the embodiment of (wisdom) It makes perfect sense why the writer wrote it that way. It kept the truth from those who refused to think logically, yet preserved the Bible to get into the hands of those who do.

[@bebophippie1781]

@@bnb7094 I am digging you theory. First one for the bible that made even a little sense to me.

[@bnb7094]

@@bebophippie1781 Test it. If it works then it is true. If it does not then it is not true. It works for me is what I'm saying.

[@one-above-allothersillum-iq3qz]

This is the one time I'm going to simp. I love what they accomplished. I hope it lives forever. They actually are real legends. I would have not had the chance to view half the media that I have if it wasn't for these guys.

[@kenny.lyh108]

They are actually right. I legitimately bought several games that I have pirated because the games are actually good and the devs deserve it.

[@mrbeans2425]

I have as well.

[@nickevershedmusic8927]

I bought a couple too

[@franksmith613]

Yeah, a lot of games do not provide a demo. So, the only way to try it is to pirate it.

[@SnakeGota]

I actually saved up and bought too

[@ignaz4494]

This is how i got amazed by GTA. And bought every time a new playstation just to play GTA.

[@philipfong8079]

I cannot afford expensive software 20+ years ago, without pirated version, I would not become a professional 10 years later. I believe somewhere along the time line, software companies realized this reality and the so called pirated version could be their untold marketing to dominate the industry.

[@arianagandhi7634]

you're goddamn right 👍

[@mechamicro]

Microsoft knew this too well because once economy goes up, they become potential future customers

[@Petrockseller]

Didn’t Adobe themselves flood the Pirate Bay with their own products? That way when the designers got their first pay check, they would be more likely to buy Adobe because they were used to using it and their PSD files were already supported?

[@rioksek8930]

Some company open up their own pirate website of their products to get money from the ads on them, now that is smart.

[@TheZebinator]

@@Petrockseller oh how the mighty have fallen... Now they have their subscription service too expensive for non pros to pay for

[@HapticNoise]

I really don't even know if the impact that these 3 gigachads had on pop culture can possibly be accurately measured. So so many insanely talented music and movie producers, composers, video editors, etc. started on pirated copies of what were at the time prohibitively expensive pieces of software. Music, youtube, film, none of it would be the same if it weren't for 3 edgy Swedes with something to prove. Actually kind of mind-boggling to think about.

[@fanimazakura7662]

I prefer pirate software, from 2 years I'm with original "windows" and constantly have problems, someting in changed, fix one and destroy 5, the pirate version is cutted to be light and have no problems with constantly messing programers in it

[@emilxrd]

someone (definetly not me) pirated vegas pro, and that someone started off with that pirated copy and found out that he really loved editing. i would never know how much id love it if I never downloaded it.

[@OurLegacyGaming]

this is unbelievably true. These guys gave so much freedom for artists to express, without piratebay our (virtual) world would be completely different

[@ChildovGhad]

How are people recently being fooled into thinking a chad is anything good? Go look at the urban dictionary, it's always been bad to be a chad. The founders of TPB are definitely not chads, but those behind their arrest definitely are. Proper usage: "Oh man, some loser chad chadded me into thinking being a chad was a good thing."

[@earlpipe9713]

@@ChildovGhad Language is a constantly evolving and changeable organism, one of the drawbacks of that is slang usage/meaning of words often overtaking original definitions and usage in everyday vernacular. Thus, "chads" are the peak of masculine excellence and expression online until some other different slang word replaces em (that's what you wanna do if you want people to stop using it in that way, think up your own word/expression for the same memetic concept and use it in the proper places in hopes it catches on)

[@Oldboy..]

I’m a professional comic book artist. When I was in college I had to have certain software. Art school is not cheap, especially when paying for it on your own and being poor. I did buy all the software I used after I had some success. And never once used pirates software on a single commercial project. If it wasn’t for pirating my life would suck

[@Demonic_Skidmark]

These guys were top of the line hero type people. They actually cared about the community and gave people what cost way too much for free.

[@tonybrown9875]

Why do the founders receive so much mainstream attention; if someone is legit you would never hear their name nor they existed. Controlled opposition.

[@hunterscooters5101]

@@tonybrown9875 Right okay some name me some famous historical events with anonymous people

[@MrTriple3D]

@@hunterscooters5101 jeffrey epstein and the forbidden list

[@averagewso]

@@MrTriple3D Except you can easily see all of the people who visited his island, and you just said his name

[@sirdopaminesjournal3292]

I download things, too. But it is essentially stealing. If people would just admit that, I wouldn't have an issue with it. But the way so many people pretend that this is somehow some kind of heroic act is just bullshit. We're thieves. Own that shit.

[@Aspire85]

Nothing but respect for these guys. My upbringing was full of love but, being raised by a single parent, we struggled for money. I would have missed out on so much without these heroes.

[@j.joseph5353]

What would you have missed out on?

[@kianking5399]

@@j.joseph5353 fym? being able to enjoy the games ur friends talk abt, watching the latest movies everybodys talking about not feeling super poor 24 7 lmaoo

[@j.joseph5353]

@@kianking5399 Oh. Boohoo.

[@siemspark]

@@j.joseph5353 what are you tryna say bro

[@j.joseph5353]

@@siemspark That the other guy is pathetic. He would not have missed out on anything just because he didn't see movies as they were released or played games as they were released. Just another entitled brat trying to justify poor behavior.

[@carsheaven]

What's really amazing to me is how little malware/spyware I've come across with all of my downloads. Pirates are total bros and all they ask is for you to share like the rest of them.

[@StaticM223]

Out of the hundreds of games, movies, programs downloaded I've only had 5-10 viruses on my pc. None of witch were detrimental/destructive to my system in anyway, just a quick virus scan and i never had issues. Most of those viruses were from when i was just getting into pirating and didn't know what sites to use and not to use. In my eyes pirating has given me the opportunity to play games that i would have never played, now I have the money to purchase games that in my eyes are worth it. Its also crazy how supportive the community is as you just mentioned, I've met a lot of people from around the world just by pirating. A majority of those interactions were very positive.

[@GruppeSechs]

I've gotten my most vicious and aggressive viruses from pirate bay, so I dunno what you're talking about. It's a total crapshoot. And that's only downloading from trusted or VIP members.

[@carsheaven]

@@GruppeSechs ~ Gotta have a better eye for legit content. Limewire was the real cesspool of content sharing. %70 of that stuff was total garbage or worse. Pirate Bay is a candy store in comparison.

[@GruppeSechs]

@@carsheaven If trusted and VIP member content can still be infested, then nothing is safe. So no, pirates aren't "total bros." Some are, but you're always taking a risk.

[@carsheaven]

@@GruppeSechs ~ as if that wasn’t a given anywhere on the internet. Get over yourself.

[@Sagadali523]

As someone who visited Pirate Bay in 2021, I can say founders were a legend cause' we don't have credit card to buy anything on the internet so we've decided to use their websites. They'll deserve a medal.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Remember: Were it not for Napster, the music industry would have NEVER gone digital. Pirates keep asshole companies in check.

[@MiguelCosta-qm6rn]

damn Napster rings some bells early 2000s everyone who listened to music had it downloaded there it was such a big thing back then

[@MoeinthePhilippines]

@GyroMan I'd say it hasn't changed. The only difference is the abundance is different. In the early 2000s, there were fewer musicians and filmmakers, due to expensive software, computer hardware, and shitty camera equipment. However, hacking made software more "affordable" for would-be artists, which led to an explosion of bedroom artists. A popular example is Soulja Boy. He's the first musician to use his social media presence to launch his indie career. As shitty of a song "Crank Dat" was, it broke the industry. That's what really caused music to go fully digital. Companies no longer need to spend money on marketing. They could just make the artists prove their talent/fanfare before companies needed to invest.

[@rafaelrocha1515]

@GyroMan I think that your elitist view of this matter is absolute trash.

[@Stopinvadingmyhardware]

That’s not even close to the truth

[@turnipjuice2626]

@GyroMan Popular music has definitely gotten worse, as in the vast majority of chart music. This is also thanks to TV talent shows. Music in general however has remained just as good, possibly even better you just have to look that bit harder for it and it's easier for more bands to record thanks to technology. Before the internet and smart phones people had to go to a store, and take their cd/tape/vinyl to the counter and wear your heart on your sleeve by doing so. Now you can just download/stream that cheesy pop song you would never have had the gumption to buy behind the anonymity of a screen. Music for many is vital, but for others is just another product or some background noise to pass the time.

[@arush6778]

"In the world without copyrights, we could've been heros" - Pirates Bay Creators

[@fluked1576]

AC4 reference

[@LogikalHindi]

Legends!

[@d4ch33kcl4pp3r]

They are heroes nonetheless

[@djibril012]

With or without it they are heroes for me.

[@serioussilliness2064]

?,?

[@paneesh]

"Only those blinded by greed would refuse to let a friend make a copy" - Aaron Swartz

[@CrisHaasbro]

Well a friend is one thing, but the whole world? lol

[@lukethedude3902]

Aaron knew what was coming. Thats why he fought SOPA. Right until his death..

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

R.i.P. Aaron....

[@frenchonion4595]

Humans are naturally greedy even the ones that say they are not. It's something we evolved to survive

[@purpleXpotion]

“Only those blinded by greed would covet their friend’s possessions.”

[@andresamartins26]

These guys are heroes. They took one for the team and changed the lives of millions of people, including myself

[@Benjamin-om3ih]

I am forever grateful to these boys. Their impact on the internet and standing up to the big companies is immeasurable. Arguably, internet culture and gaming development is in part, because of them. I support them wholeheartedly

[@catryfieln2047]

@Your God cope

[@tomasdqwx2781]

@Your God cope

[@Mistanyycguy]

@Your God U from Copenhagen?

[@nyxNovem]

@Your God Good day, Mister Copenheimer.

[@DevilTX66]

Aka I am benji and I steal stuff cause I don’t want to better myself so I don’t have steal it.

[@finger9456]

Dude goes to jail for pirating media, then proceeds smuggle movies into prison through usb drives. Absolute madlad

[@TekkLuthor]

I bet they were downloaded from Piratebay

[@chasemiller9053]

That shit had me rollin what a g

[@JesusMartinez-pw1ut]

@@chasemiller9053 yeah makes me fuck without the F

[@dilegox]

A true rockstar

[@DarkLink606]

The only madlad was the guy who fled to Cambodia. The guys who insisted on maintaining The Pirate Bay in Sweden after the sentence, no matter how hot things were... No big deal. Have you seen how Swedish prisons are? The guys must be like "Ok, here I go again for the government-sponsored spiritual retreat."

[@aronsandstedt6055]

A few of my classmates back in uni, managed to find course literature for several courses on the bay. Considering the ridiculous pricing of course literature that are targeted towards poor students, I'll argue that they did the morally right thing.

[@Darkness251]

Thats why Sci-Hub and Z-Lib became so big. I got most of my bachelors and masters research from those sites. I could not afford to buy hundreds of publications just for my thesis...

[@cloudninetyseven]

@@Darkness251 are the websites still up

[@Tehblood]

education for profit. IMMORAL. health care for profit. IMMORAL. piracy. MORAL AS FUCK.

[@snackplaylove]

I got all the CDs I used to learn languages for travel from the Bay.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

If buying a game doesnt mean I own it, then piracy isnt stealing.

[@mantenbrink]

honestly I never thought that piracy could bring more income for the copyright holders of software, but now that I'm older and have an income, I bought all the programs because I know them from when I pirated them. It definitely gave them more income from me

[@thepoolb0y]

Likewise! Adobe has made a fortune on me for the years I used their software for free. I would have never been a customer or got into content creation without pirated versions of their software. Been a subscriber to CC Suite since it came out.

[@BalaenicepsRex3]

Same with my childhood PC videogames. I pirated them all as a kid and now that I have the money I'm legally buying them one at a time.

[@True_Joker]

Absolutely the same here. And I never buy things that I can't check out first. I'm usually super disappointed when i do. But because of pirates bay there are several things that I've spent so much on that that in itself should be immoral😆

[@manticore4952]

This is why demos need to come back. I want to know if stuff is worth buying.

[@PoniatBtw]

Same here. I was a pirate until i started earning money, as my family was not able to afford legal copies. Now i'm basically buying out many titles, some even 10 or 15 years old. I wouldn't buy them back then because of money, and I wouldn't buy them now If not the nostalgia and will to go back in time.

[@dtharve]

Absolute Legends! Those guys deserve to go down in history. The website that just won't die.

[@k.noname1496]

I could imagine starting a foundation after they die one day and build them a statue somewhere.

[@schurging22]

Legend foretells of a ship that never stops sailing, carrying intangible treasures, bearing a faceless crew who toil under the captaincy of the Limitless Legion.

[@DRAWKCABLLA]

when you get arrested for virtual crimes they send you to davy jones locker where you fight doppelgangers over peanuts

[@gummybear8679]

There were a few captains, in the days of old, when deck was not so creaky, when the sails where not so full of stitches and the visage of the figurehead was not so disfigured by the salty waves. The ship has no captain. The ship NEEDS no captain, not anymore. Its crew already knows what they should do. They might not have a charted course, but they know that they should sail forth eternally. The compass near the helm stopped spinning ages ago, but it does not matter, because everyone knows where they SHOULD be heading. Full speed ahead!

[@SalmanKhan-dx1ch]

You forgot to also say "Unsinkable"

[@pinoyheartbeat7245]

Best comment so far.

[@thatthieff]

I want to see a movie on this immediately.

[@PondsideKraken]

I bought an audio book from the 90s. I had all of them, 13 books. each book had 20 CDs and it was never modernized. I lost a CD, can't buy it anymore or get a replacement. Piratebay allows me to open up my audio book from forever ago and download just that one disk. I will always support creators and hope they make more of what I love, but the author has long since passed on and I supported him while he still lived. I do not have any moral regret.

[@Kaloyan.Dimitrov]

I have been using it for over 10 years and I don't feel any shame about it. I understand that creators, authors, producers etc. get nothing in return when we download their products for free but no one asks us if we can afford it in first place. When you live in a country with an average monthly salary of 500$ you can't afford paying 50$ for a piece of software or a video game when in real life you have to choose between eating or paying your bills.

[@kowshikdk]

My family running on an average of 235$ a month. Compared to you, I don’t even have the luxury to think I guess. 😂

[@Paapi_purush]

@@kowshikdk 20,000 RS approx apne yaha decent graphic card 40000 k aata h 20000 m Kya hoga.

[@КДзен]

In Russia city's 500$ a month is a good salary. Most ot the people receive less 350$ a month. Except Moskow of course. There's a saying "Moskow isn't Russia".

[@jessecannon7500]

@Le-Johnny i hear you there there are a few games i owned on console and wasn't sure how the game experience would be like (was broke and curious) i now own 60+ paid for games on my pc between Steam Origin Blizzard GOG Etc nearly 2 tb of game data i wouldn't have purchased the games had i not got the opportunity to try them which led me to buy other "similar" games

[@janeblogs324]

The creators don't get nothing in return, they get free advertising when I tell everyone to watch a show like mandelorean, but then my friends ask how to watch it. They don't want a subscription to upkeep

[@chotonbarua5049]

Hats off to Fredrik, Peter and Gottfrid. You guys are legends and helped countless people around the world. I'm one of them.

[@dustin3596]

at the cost of the people who actually put in the time and effort to make the things you consume.

[@anthony.esper21]

@@dustin3596 Yeah pretty sute they're wiping their tears with dollar bills. Please tell me one game that caused its devs to go bankrupt, because of piracy.

[@jussischoemakers4879]

@@TugIronChief Indeed WHO'S intellectual property are you talking about, these 'companies' stole most of 'their intellectual property'. That's why they are indeed HEROES!

[@TheRailwaystationist]

@@TugIronChief It's not a thing. It's an idea. A concept. One that holds the evolution of technology and human growth back.

[@TheRailwaystationist]

@@TugIronChief Oh, it does.

[@davidchang5862]

These folks are like the “Robin Hoods” of our times and have helped many poor people around the world financially and intellectually. It is very sad to know copyrights and intellectual properties are plain excuses to make the rich even richer and more powerful than ever. Well done guys !

[@l_ifeefi_l1998]

Copyright has its purpose. Imagine an indie developer created a game only to find out its free to download. U might think this law works for big corporations but they r many small time creative entities trying to make a living from their creations. Thrs no hard and fast rule and this is controversial, its just which side of the fence ur on

[@NitroNinja324]

@@l_ifeefi_l1998 Copyright law was made with the intention of people having legal rights to their creative works for a limited time. Key word being limited. As far I'm concerned, any IP older than 30 years belongs in the public domain. You've had your chance to make your profit.

[@dmorgan0628]

Our politicians basically legalize China to pirate our rnd tech, kinda a double standard against ordinary Americans.

[@l_ifeefi_l1998]

not exactly true. It depends on the product. Its more likely if the product is essential to the public and ppl has gotten use to it. Again, no hard and fast rule. For entertainment purpose on the other hand, u can always renew yr copyright which is almost always the case with pirate bay contents

[@powerbeard5653]

@@l_ifeefi_l1998 m8 thats just the bs grain of truth they use to perpetuate their stranglehold on peoples rights with copyright law. the fact is, these laws often do very little if anything to protect smaller people. seriously, do you think bob johnson whos down the tube making music by himself can REALLY get his recompense if his song gets pirated (or even outright stolen by someone else claiming it was theirs) and goes viral for free? and here's another one for you - what do you think happens when mr. business at Big Corporation hears a song from a nobody that he thinks has potential? do you think anyone will believe mr. nobody when he says that Big Corporation stole his song? Do you think he could even come CLOSE to putting up a fight in court? get real m8.

[@3Storms]

For those old enough to remember don't forget that the music, movie, and gaming industry were totally against an online system of digitally distributed content. They had to be shown that digital content is what the market wanted by Napster, Pirate Bay, WinMX, and others. Now they make billions off of it.

[@fabiboiii]

"bUt wE wOuLd mAKe iT eAsy fOR piRatEs" and next thing they do is slap 10 account links into the game launcher

[@DigitalPand3mic]

@@keithmarlowe5569 Not to mention privileged af, as if they're still not filthy rich

[@Stefan-]

Yeah, these industries would never have changed, we would still have to buy physical copies like CD´s and DVD/Blurays to this day if it werent for the pirate services forcing them to change their mind.

[@Stefan-]

@@keithmarlowe5569 The gaming/software industry maybe, but the music and movie industry would never have changed if they werent forced to like they were.

[@Stefan-]

@@keithmarlowe5569 Music sales was in a steep decline from around the millenium shift and although it has risen since the low point thanks to people adopting subscriptions for streaming services in later years the revenue is about half of what it was at the top around the millenium shift. The filesharing forced the industry to come up with something that even the filesharers would be willing to pay for and it has succeded at least to a large extent but if they wouldnt have done that not many would have paid for the music in the end since downloading/pirating music was so widely spread and would have spread even more over time.

[@NjamNjam0]

1:27 That is actually a true story, I remember pirating a game some time ago yet I was pissed that I could not use its multiplayer feature. The more I got addicted to it the more I wanted to buy the game until there suddenly was a big sale for it and I was able to buy it. I speak as an individual cause I don't know how this would work in a large scale but the theory works for me

[@ThePersonToBlame]

Its exactly how Xbox game pass works. People buy dlc content after they played the core game and love it.

[@MDPToaster]

I pirated Skyrim back in 2014, had so much fun with it I splurged on the actual game on Steam for the DLC and mods.

[@Bafa]

Yup. My father bought a full version of Pinnacle video editing software after I had pirated him a copy. I also ended up buying Some Adobe programs after pirating. Those programs were just to expensive to throw cash at without knowing how much we'd actually use them. There has been more programs we purchased after pirating too.

[@MaxxerOfPepsi]

had a friend who pirated games and if he thought it was good he would buy it off of steam or donate directly to the creator

[@NjamNjam0]

@@MaxxerOfPepsi Good games always deserve Credit.

[@HistoryHouse45]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how much research he does to create videos like this

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Thank you so much man!

[@thevains]

ya man always

[@tomwce1]

no im busy

[@foodhoarder9434]

No

[@foodhoarder9434]

@@shadymonster788 we are going to fight and you aren't going to make it

[@MeowtronStar]

These are the guys who made movies and video games accessible to kids in low income countries. Millions of kids got access to global culture and grew into the person they are today because of these guys. I would absolutely support them over production labels. A hundred times over.

[@silverdamascus2023]

Do you know how Steam is so successful and many people buy games on Steam even though pirating games on PC is so easy? Because they not only created a service that is better than what pirates are offering for free, but convinced people that buying games is helping small developers and even buying from big developers is helping the industry, thanks to Steam, many games that never came to PC, are now coming. Gabe Newell said that piracy is not a pricing problem, it's a service problem.

[@SlavicUnionGaming]

Yes because steam has good customer allowing the user a refund within the time frame they bought. As well as great steam sales

[@Leppymusic]

Nah... You just can't play multi-player online on pirated games unless there are pirate servers as well and that's rare so those games are pointless to hack in the first place... On the other hand it's no issue for single player games... On this account it did prevented me from being ripped off as I "tried" No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 because let's face it... 2 hour limit to test these 2 games to get a refund is not enough...

[@OldHunters]

Partly its because games DRM takes longer to crack now and also you are at risk of installing malware without knowing. You don't see much games on piratebay nowadays esp the latest.

[@obscure8125]

@@Leppymusic Na I Don't buy games on steam because I need multiplayer or somthin there are good chunk of games that don't even have co-op; its more about the sale and community attached with the game. With discounts upto 90% on actual good games and collections its better to go with original where actual achievements and progress in the games can be displayed in a accessible manner linked with your profile, the ecosystem that steam creates is real deal; its not an exaggeration when said they provide better service.

[@xSchmitterSx]

pfff Steam they promise that games also works with Linux, conclusion "not!" ...

[@HDplusplus]

Not all heroes wear capes. Some gotta play villain 🦹‍♀️

[@LogikalHindi]

Hahaha

[@kousik8042]

True

[@JarodJesus]

Real heroes are villians in someone's else story

[@dartedevil]

wo kahte hain na dmitri har nayak ko khalanyak ki zarurat hoti hain kyuki har nayak kahlnayak ke bina adhura hain ---MI2

[@Paapi_purush]

@@dartedevil poori film maze lootne Wala villian is far better than hero who is fūcked around and as soon as he becomes famous film ends . The end

[@SonNeturo]

These guys got me through University. I couldn't afford half the sh** I had to buy just to pass but thanks to Pirate Bay I managed to get a hold of textbooks and softwares I needed. Thank you Pirate Bay.

[@savionramsundar1935]

same

[@ImmersiveReactions]

My dad to my 12 year old self. Can you fill my music player with music. Sure dad. Proceeds to download 2 dozen discographies.

[@prasadshinde6843]

I am really thankful to this guys for Piratebay. I learned a lot, without their website I couldn't able to afford some softwares for my education. They are legends for me.

[@lucasrem]

I was in some NATO bunker, the Cyber Bunker, in the south of the Netherlands, Kloetingen. Epic times! We hosted them!

[@tymgreentech]

Almost like someone didn't want you to be educated without being indebted to them 🤔

[@Sanikuvadano]

Can we use pirate bay with normal vpn ?

[@kicktroll]

@@Sanikuvadano yep

[@anuragmate]

​@acer darkling U should search for Low Profile Mechanical Keyboards. This one is custom with custom keycaps u will find many options there.

[@amokriinprolgiid3409]

I think digital piracy is a necessary evil. It's sort of a limiter stopping big tech companies from slapping a huge price tag on their digital media and being able to expect everyone to pay it. If a price on something is unreasonably high, people who want/need the software will just pirate it for free. Realistically, it's like another source of competition, forcing big companies to be competitive, and not get too comfortable with their intellectual properties and copyrights. It forces companies to make their product more appealing to entice users not to pirate it.

[@foodhoarder9434]

Any crypto other than BTC is a play on legislation.

[@foodhoarder9434]

I have picked 3 Theta Atom Algorand

[@foodhoarder9434]

Theta--digital property rights Atom--funtionality supporting binance Algorand--MIT buddy exempt from ginsler banhammer

[@john2821]

Yeah piracy eleminates monopolies in software campanies.

[@nataestanislaubastos7637]

Copying is not evil. IP is evil.

[@ModNTech]

On behalf of everyone in this world. Thankyou Peter, Fredrik and Gottfrid.

[@shanesimms3665]

Not everyone. Some of us value the work and effort of creators.

[@GashimahironChl]

@@shanesimms3665 When no one is looking, i value my own entertainment better than other people's hard work providing such entertainment, but here's the thing, people can't usually tell when i'm pirating or buying, so i get to pretend i care on the internet as well, and that's a big plus for my vaguely important internet image! 🤣

[@stewartmackay]

Thanks for what? Stealing people's work?

[@jenspettersen7837]

@@stewartmackay They didn't steal or copy anyone's work, they made a platform for people to find shared information/files - some of which were copyrighted.

[@GashimahironChl]

@@stewartmackay Was no one stealing nothing, just the occasional friendly neighbor sharing a copy of some software they paid for with their other friendly neighbors... occasionally across the globe!

[@ModernDayRenaissanceMan]

They are absolutely right about piracy. As someone who has been historically poor I never would have bought anything anyway so the companies are never losing any money. And the few times that I ever had any money, the first things that I end up buying are the things that I tried for free originally. At the end of the day these would have gotten a dime had I not basically tried their product for free. Free trials are the best way to make money. Back in the day they used to make excellent games for free. Remember Starcraft shareware? You could play that game and never download Broodwar. It had a very large following of players. Hundreds of people logged in every day and we had dozens of clans. It was a heavily modified game so that we could play on different maps. Byways was the main map, but BGH was the 2nd map most people used. I ended up playing just the shareware version for quite a few years and became a master at Byways map. It was some of the best times of my life. Because of that I ended up buying many other games from Blizzard. That is how free software can end up making a loyal customer for life

[@TimothyDong]

While piracy is morally questionable from person to person. Looking at it from the perspective of a gamer, I would say it's fundamental for it to be present, why? Preservation of games that's why, if a game has been delisted from Steam, Origin, Ubisoft Connect, Epic due to whatever reasons, a copy can be easily downloaded off of websites like ThePirateBay for generations to enjoy

[@siliconhawk]

man so true. and i also feel that companies should make games that are older than 5 or 7 years free for everyone imho. and the retro old games should just be released publicly for people to do whatever they want with it

[@strangeperson700]

I got tachyon the fringe and the old rogue spear games from TPB, but I jeez windows 98 to run them.

[@dmo848]

Exactly what I did coming back in the scene not 2 long ago.

[@bsherman8236]

A steam key for dark souls prepare to die or skyrim og costs a fortune

[@tristunalekzander5608]

That's only if you play weird old games and the company probably doesn't even care about the copyright anyway. Like, seriously, what games are you playing? You must watch Civvie 11, I do too but I don't actually play those games lol

[@SecretEyeSpot]

These guys have drastically improved my life. If it weren't for them I wouldn't have been able to become a musician. Thank you❤

[@kux-6797]

That's fuckin dope dude

[@mrmassiveunit]

big facts back in the day id pirate radio rips of new songs from my favorite bands and try to learn them by ear.. made me the musician i am today

[@ChildovGhad]

I was a musician with DAW experience years before TPB, but without them, I'd never have figured out that I needed to seriously upgrade, which led to actual corporations making actual money off me, so TPB was actually beneficial to those trying to shut it down.

[@NotGilmore]

These guys are legends.. I remember not being able to afford expensive video games back in the day. These guys gave me that privilege

[@jasinere35]

this is how i got a copy of windows xp pro & its product key cos there was no way was i paying £200 for a cd of it even thou the one im using now is win7 which came with the pc

[@siliconhawk]

@@jasinere35 same pirated xp gang. used it till 2019. now 2022 own a win 10/11 genuine copy

[@BigWill3855]

Back in my college days I had a computer dedicated just to downloading from pb 24/7 until Comcast shut off my internet for using to much data. Then AT&T cut me off for piracy. After that I got out of it. But still have hundreds of terabytes of stuff spread across tons of HDDs

[@galaxywolf4895]

The prosecutors and CEOs of the copyrighted material, keep going after the sites and founders without making a dent in the piracy of the content because the refuse to understand why these sites exist in the first place. This is typical behavior from those with power and money.

[@user-ux2kk5vp7m]

This is typical behavior from literally everyone, lol

[@jasinere35]

if their sh*t wasnt so expensive in the first place we wouldnt be looking elsewhere for a cheap copy of it & how else are you able to get hold of stuff thats no longer sold in stores or online thats been discontinued

[@leeo9870]

They now go after the little guy and sue us for accessing the content. I have been sued, it was my fault for getting caught. I Was to cheap to use a vpn.

[@yokisullivan8647]

@@leeo9870 damn bro, you actually got sued?

[@leeo9870]

@@yokisullivan8647 yea. I didn’t believe it when I received the papers in the mail. After trying to find a lawyer that had any idea about the lawsuit, I found out they are suing people in Canada. That I can make an offer to pay a sum and not have to go to court. Which I ended up doing.

[@aso6437]

Living in country where content simply doesn't exist, The Pirate Bay is still important. If I can buy I do, if not well you know.

[@gazzy01]

which country is that btw?

[@zetaforever4953]

Depends on which country you live in and which country's content you're trying to see. I live in India and there are plenty of Korean and Chinese shows that I have no way of watching legally. The big-ticket ones are available on Netflix and Amazon Prime, but the smaller productions were only meant to be shown on Chinese/Korean tv or their local websites. Even the subtitles are fan-created. So even if I somehow managed to buy a legal copy, it wouldn't have subtitles since the production was never subbed officially, only by fans. Hence, piracy is the only option. I'm sure the situation would be the same if you were trying to watch some small-budget Indian TV show from Mongolia, or whatever.

[@aso6437]

@@gazzy01 Philippines, most watch American TV shows I can't get here.

[@gazzy01]

@@aso6437 ohh Thanks for the info

[@georgeguy2963]

No, If you happen to live in a country that does have enough money power to buy originals, or have content. You are doomed to live in the dark ages. So says the bible of the riches ;)

[@yourfavouritenerd]

These days I don't pirate software, I much rather use free open source software and support the creators when I can. I pay for Spotify and purchase a lot of music on physical media. I pay for video streaming services, but if something I want to stream is not available where I live I will not feel bad about finding an illegal copy.

[@maxttk97]

My same reasoning.

[@Jonathan900S]

i pirate EA Games why should i support a company that screwed me over 500 dollars

[@reubenhaslip9312]

streaming something is no different than pirating it, either way the money doesn't go to the creator

[@anns666]

I didn't have enough money to buy CDs or DVDs when I was younger. I got an old Server for free and started Filesharing. It was a lot of work compared to Streaming Services today but it was the only way back then. Thank you Pirate Bay

[@1996adis]

When I was a little kid growing up in Eastern Europe it was unthinkable to buy video games or movies legitimately as the prices were just absurd. Thanks to pirating I managed to play all the games I ever wanted and later on in my teens I watched hundreds of movies. Without pirating I would never have experienced all the joy of those products and the companies would've made just as much money. Nowadays I buy my games legitimately from the PS Store and have a Netflix subscription. The only time I ever download anything now is if a movie is not on the platform I'm already paying for. All in all my stance on pirating is that there are many people who benefit from it as they just can't afford to pay for something and the only ones who are "hurting" the companies are people who can afford the product yet decide to pirate it. In my experience such people are few.

[@whitingpie5146]

That's what most people don't even understand, most software, games and movie pirates live in poor Countries or are just poor and were never going to buy the product in the first place. Stopping pirated material won't suddenly make the poor have money and buy your products... So people who think pirates are taking away sales might actually be literally retarded.

[@vimaladityaraj4464]

@@whitingpie5146 In my country there no gamestop or shit. only certain games were sold in few stores. i used to pirate those unaccessible games. Now there's steam, but when i was younger, piratebay was the go to site.

[@Skrzacik]

I'm so grateful to these guys, and it makes me sad to see them in handcuffs. I'm from a small post-communist country, where purchasing legally the things I've downloaded wasn't even available. Thanks to them I had access to all these things. Eternal respect.

[@CheekiBreeki-mq2my]

im a bosnian serb from bosnia, its such a shithole you cant even get a credit card easily god forbid buy something using it

[@thegreatgatsby8180]

I am from India. I literally started my KZbin career using pirated Adobe premiere pro software. Fresh out of college. Didn't know what to do. I owe a lot to these guys. If they have patron I would love to donate to these people who changed the Internet. Love from India.

[@MammothBehemoth]

"If a head is cut off, two more shall take its place" The amount of various streaming services present today is even worse than the days of cable. You have to pay for every single streaming services just to watch a few shows you might like. I wouldn't be surprised when piracy will become mainstream again.

[@kelimanjaro1091]

As long as Netflix and Disney+ keep pumping out great content, nobody will turn back to piracy. The paid service has become better than the pirated service.

[@MammothBehemoth]

@@kelimanjaro1091 right now, I think Amazon and HBO has better content. But saying which one is better is just personal opinion. Also, just to clarify semantics, pirated services is exactly the same content as paid service, only free

[@JohnDoe-qj3iv]

@@kelimanjaro1091 That completely depends, for example I don’t watch a lot movies and T.V shows, so it doesn’t make sense for me to buy a hole subscription pack just to watch 1 or 2 new releases. So and don’t even get me started on the lack of content and content lockdown Netflix and Amazon Prime has to deal with throughout various countries.

[@andreas4959]

Well, it's never been "not mainstream" really, it's just more... Hidden, I guess you could say? It seems as though people (atleast where I'm at) are ashamed to admit to pirating, like they are feeling like "Welp I just admitted to being a poor fuckup that can't even afford the cheap plan on Netflix, great", so they just don't talk about it as much as they used to. Nowadays there are ALOT of Pirate Bay-like sites, but with much better security for it's users, virus controll and all that, that is only accessible IF you know the site exists and purposefully search for it and if they let you access it by creating an account first. One of the sites I know of requires you to have a LITERALL interview with one of the mods that is in charge of "Site integrity" so to speak, and if they feel like you're sussy, they won't let you in. I've been part of a page for quite some years that have basically EVERYTHING you could need or want, and everything is easy, it works, it's virus free, no wierd ads and links everywhere... It's even civil in the comments on the torrents because using strong/hatefull speach and or spamming etc can get you banned. Same if they catch you uploading viruses or other such things. Plus the mods are babes. Pirating never went away, it just went underground. Sorta

[@mechamicro]

1 head down, 2 head up.

[@SumitSingh-yd2zz]

Imagine paying for a service which will be full of some annoying problems and also sells your data + shows ads OR getting all of it for free without getting your data sold

[@danvez5656]

Buddy, them pirate bay torrents where full of malware. It cost you your personal data and Internet privacy minimum. But we all did it haha

[@kirkjones9639]

These guys are absolute legends. Their contribution to civilization, and code zombies, will never be able to be measured. AAARRRR ME HEARTIES!

[@danielslater2001]

ive pirated a few games only to buy a copy of them later

[@bathers107]

Just imagine actually burning everything and avoiding the fine... "I'VE GOT A JAR OF DIRT!"

[@RobeonMew]

OP is a gnuphag

[@kirkjones9639]

@@RobeonMew What do you mean by that? Are you afraid of the Penguin?

[@grimsworld]

i would not be who i am, i would know mush less, and would be less whole if not for the freedom of information they provided to me in my times of poverty

[@ganeshmr361]

This guy's contribution to the whole world is definitely unbelievable from movies, games, music and softwares, there are millions of views and likes on learning channel (Adobe) mostly because of this modern day Robin hoods. I don't know about anything rather than games music and movies but I really felt bad for e-books. And actually people buy products which once they pirated. Example me

[@aproapemasini6066]

Im an ebook publisher and I would love to get so famous that my ebook would end up on the local torrents. Pirate Bay is just way too big for me.

[@vernardm.9630]

these guys are legends especially for poor kids who just wants to play cool game and for aspiring artist who can't afford paid apps to do their works. I owe them

[@neuro1996]

I wouldn't blame them to quit, since what they are doing is risky. But for them to hold this long... They are true legends, i still remember how i relied on their website to download games that were impossible for me to afford. I was happy with 1$ and buying snacks. Now i was able to watch movies play my favorite games etc. They did us a huge favor, if saw them doing something illegal id turn blind eyes out of respect.

[@KryaDiere]

God bless these men. Huge salute to them. I hope they know how many people they've helped and saved. I pirated Photoshop when I was 13 (this was decades ago). In uni, we collectively pirated 3d software and passed it around because it was impossible to have access to them without thousands of dollars that broke students would never have. Now I'm a graphic artist. Without them I would never be where I am today. Down with capitalism, long live the pirates.

[@johnmeurer4780]

The only time I had a copy right claim reported to my ip, was from some 3d software that cost thousands. I then found out I should been using a VPN

[@harleyserafini51]

I don’t see why you would think that this is anti-capitalist. In a libertarian right capitalist society, the government actually wouldn’t be able to take this website down.

[@b__w_4565]

@@harleyserafini51 very true and is why i think the gov should just oversee world affairs..our finances need to go decentralized crypto, and they shouldnt tell us what we can and cant do with our own bodies, i.e. drugs and all those pointless laws.

[@DemetriosLevi]

I feel there's some irony here in saying down with capitalism when you use Photoshop, and I'm not even pro-capitalist....

[@helifalic]

Capitalism got you the software in the first place, you dolt. Pirate bay is a force for good, but sh*tting on capitalism is ignorant and cringe.

[@id104335409]

The Pirate Bay was one of the pillars of the internet! Without it, the adoption of PC and internet would not exist as it does today. Remember - the internet was created for sharing.

[@mechamicro]

Sharing is caring

[@janeblogs324]

Yeah, sharing your information with DARPA without your permission

[@wizdude]

Without piracy there would have been no urgency or demand to create streaming services. I wholly believe that when the heart, hackers and technology start to go in a particular direction the commercial industries then try to work out how to capitalise on it. In the same way that modern video codecs and compression were driven by the adult movie industry, i believe that piracy created the need for streaming services. Without disrupters such as TPB we may not have had the same products and technology that we enjoy available to us today.

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

@@wizdude adult movie industry? hadn't heard that one. wouldn't surprise me, though... gotta have enough content and of high enough quality to attract/retain customers. takes a lot of space to store it...

[@Rapscallion2009]

I think piracy forced content producers to be more reasonable. I remember when "music" basically meant the charts - and nothing else. Services like kazaa and Napster meant people could widen their horizons quickly and easily. This lead to streaming services. I don't believe Spotify, KZbin music et al would exist without that era of piracy. It's a lot less popular now that Netflix and so on offer a cheapish way to get that content.

[@Matrịx.101-o2s]

Did someone just mention Netflix and cheapish in the same sentence lol.

[@Rapscallion2009]

@@Matrịx.101-o2s Well the cost of everything is subjective. The basic Netflix plan is £5.99 in my country (UK). Which is about 20p a day. Considering the amount of content on it and the infrastructure needed to delivering it I think that's reasonable. It's not much more than the cost of renting a DVD was. Less reasonable is the markup on standard (1080p) and premium (4k), which cost 9.99 and 13.99 respectively. If they can profitably produce the service for 5.99 a month I don't believe producing it in 4k (which most content isn't, anyway) costs that much more. With that said, the other "premium" benefits include multi screen viewing which is a boon to large households and groups of friends and may allow people to share the cost and make it cheaper in a per-viewer basis. I don't know if they could introduce an ad-supported version to make it cheaper but they have to make a profit somewhere. I love viewing without ads, so I wouldn't choose this.

[@HalloweenJoni99]

Gabe Newell once said “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. ... It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.” And I believe that's why Spotify almost killed music piracy. Going to the shop to buy a movie is much more tedious than just downloading it but for the most people Netflix is worth it because they don't want to learn about torrents, indexers, plex etc.

[@Rapscallion2009]

@@HalloweenJoni99 I generally agree, but I also think people generally agree that artists should be compensated and Spotify does that at reasonable cost and convenience.

[@n1njaweedman]

however, many large game companies and streaming services have begun to revert back their old anti consumer ways. for me piracy has had a small resurgence after 10 years without needing it.

[@StavraklasKimparis]

Great video and your resources list really helped me learn more about the subject!

[@ravenprey666]

I really couldn't be bothered by supposed loss of income when the entertainment industry smashes previous earnings-records each year. We used to think the internet was all about freedom of information but these guys were actually brave enough to go out and do it. I hope their names go down in history, well deserved.