Peak Oil Chat: Mathis Wackernagel: on Ecological Footprint featuring Simon Michaux

[@Seawithinyou]

I am Absolutely blown away by watching this once again another awakening but also Very helpful podcast to be Prepared Thank you dearly Andri and have Shared this on my Facebook page Giving the Light and Love to All from Aotearoa New Zealand 🕊😇🌏💖

[@geeezer9]

awesome group

[@iverlofving5744]

Great chat!

[@Buf-g6m]

35:00 I'm an american, in an impoverished, four adult person household, and yet, i can vouch for the fact that plenty of perfectly edible food goes to waste, and it irritates me like no other.

[@squeaker19694]

I'm an Australian avocado farmer. It really irritates me how we are not allowed to sell to retailers fruit that is mishapen or blemished. My family, friends, neighbours and local homeless get some of the rejects, but probably half the rejects are dumped because we are too busy during harvest to find people to give it to. It's perfectly good to eat. The problem is we are way over regulated which causes so much waste. Hopefully when we simplify in the future this overegulation will dissapear.

[@frictionhitch]

Thank you Simon

[@michaels4255]

28:50 for interesting links.

[@pascalxus]

don't forget about all the ground that has been sadly paved over with driveways, massive parking lots, pools, etc and now rendered useless.

[@AndriiZ]

Yeah those will the be scrapyards of the future. They can be reclaimed of course, and nature will reclaim them eventually, faster with people's help. Though main thing is we gotta transition to more rural lifestyles first. A thousand years after Rome, cows were grazing on the roman forum.

[@KoDeMondo]

​@@AndriiZAndri so the important thing here is not the the avaliable supply but it's capacity to regenerate right?

[@frictionhitch]

I am doing the Permaculture thing. My best guess is that my 40 acres can sustainably support roughly 25 people while maintaining room for wildlife. I am isolated. If you would like to take a look at my land you are more than welcome Simon.

[@KoDeMondo]

I believe we have reached a critical juncture where those unwilling or unable to perceive the reality before them remain indifferent to the consequences of their actions. What we are witnessing is a deliberate and systematic deconstruction-not just of the dollar but of global currencies as a whole. This process is neither accidental nor coincidental; it is calculated, orchestrated, and imposed. The effectiveness of this strategy is alarming, raising a pressing question: What does the next phase of this plan entail? When the inevitable unfolds-streets crowded with people desperate for food, shelter, and safety-we may witness societal collapse on a grand scale. Organized gangs could exploit the chaos, looting businesses, banks, and homes, leaving destruction in their wake. How prepared are we for such a scenario, and what measures could mitigate these potential outcomes

[@Seawithinyou]

Also you guys must bring on Professor Steve Keen a true Economist in his well historically in-depth researched field 💖

[@danielfranklin2344]

Thanks for the talk some good ideas some great info and some depressing info. I would enjoy hearing these experts their opinion on how likely humanity will survive past 2050, 2100, or 2200. I'm fairly pessimistic and feel things will start getting worse in 10 years time, 2035, regarding food security and health impacts of climate change.

[@alexandrawagner5963]

At min 1.43 Why don't they prevent and stop all the waste from the big polluted rivers entering into the ocean?

[@AndriiZ]

Probably because it would take extra effort. It is unfortunate but we are flushing many of our mineral resources into the ocean, especially in terms of agricultural run off. The solution is permaculture food forests, which can retain the nutrients, rather than letting them simply run off like with tilling agriculture.

[@alexandrawagner5963]

@@AndriiZ wow that's another big issue

[@frictionhitch]

Norway drills for how much fossil fuels? You look at the consumption side but look at the production side. Norway depends on fossil fuels for its wealth. Norway is way in overshoot

[@frictionhitch]

How much land do the Amish need per person? Is this not a multi hundred Year experiment in sustainable living? Why aren't we looking to the Amish and to the tribes to figure out just how they did it. In the case of the tribes they were forced onto reservations and yet they're still here.

[@ZuluDawn-r6v]

What about all the tight oil and tight gas in other countries? Other countries will also have their shale revolutions.

[@antonyjh1234]

Steve : Farmed fish is polluting compared to what, as we feed more crop waste to animals, mostly caged, of course including fish, than food we grow for them. The comparison against polluting has to be against what replaces it as we can't exist in a vacuum. The argument could be made that pork and chicken raised by crop waste as eat less meat has meant more crop waste, is therefore sustainable if we accept that the crops are needed in the amounts that are produced which I don't. crops are far more polluting and damaging than any meat.

[@generic_youtube_comment]

Disagree with the gentleman at approx 37 minutes in, I would've said under our current system, that efficiency is the enemy of economic growth. As Peter Joseph once said, problems create profit, and we have to create jobs to service the fictional 'debt', which our global economic system uses as a medium of exchange, in the face of increasing technological advancements, that are also increasingly displacing human labour (as small as it is), from the workplace. Once again to quote Peter Joseph, "the deliberate witholding of social efficiency, for the sake of preserving the status quo", is what our system does.

[@frictionhitch]

How many of you are wearing clothes that you bought brand new? It is easy in this country to find perfectly clean barely worn fashionable clothes at a massive discount and they are available everywhere. You get to look good and save money and simultaneously reduce the size of an industry. So long as other people are throwing brand new clothes away because they get too fat then the people who care about these issues should resolve themselves to buy those clothes and those clothes only. You can spoil yourself with brand new socks and underwear and maybe shoes.

[@Zanderzan1983]

Lets hope to God these thorium reactors acrually work.

[@frictionhitch]

If you love people then you need to understand that their hands are an asset. The greatest asset. With your hands you can become a steward of the environment. With your hands. We have 8 billion pairs of hands. One way to look at it is that we only have 1.5 hectares per person the other way to look at it is that we have one person per 1.5 hectares. We need to get stewards on to land. We need to reform and get away from this factory farming mentality. Imagine how valuable that would be. Every person should take pride in the land that surrounds them. With all of these hands we can turn things around in a hurry.

[@frictionhitch]

What is your prescription for people to be resource secure? That wasn't in your slideshow. It's a nice sentiment that I agree with but that wasn't in your slideshow. We all know by now what we are facing. What is the average person to do? That's the question that needs answered and you did not answer it.

[@ZuluDawn-r6v]

There is no solution for decelerating space craft in the thin martian atmosphere and they cannot land at mach 8.

[@frictionhitch]

I had an idea I call the shitty barge. What if Hawaii where to take its food waste and put it on the periphery of a barge. Tow that barge a few miles out into the ocean. Let the birds s*** on it and haul all that beautiful fertilizer back to Hawaii?

[@frictionhitch]

La could have a shity barge. New York could have a shity barge. London could have a shity barge. Tokyo could have a shity barge.

[@frictionhitch]

Nietzsche's Will to Power is a dialectic. It has been confused as Nietzsche's position. It is not. It is a dialectic. You will not find Mitch's philosophy in the will to power because it is a dialectic. You will find his philosophy in Thus Spake Zarathustra.

[@barrycarter8276]

Admire the effort you put in Ardrii gathering your guests to air their views on alternative ways of sustainable living, but I’m afraid without FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils, humanity will return to a 17th century lifestyle probably with the same levels of population and barbarity as there was then. The idea that you can continue lifestyles of present modernity with Hydrogen and Nuclear is pure hubris, fact is it Ain’t Gonna’ Happen. Reference:- Art Berman - Blog: “Blows to the Body Electric: AI meets Renewables-Renewables Lose” Sabine Hossenfelder - Science with Sabine: “Hydrogen Hype is Dying, And That's a Good Thing” “Small Nuclear Reactors Have A Big Problem”🤔

[@barrycarter8276]

I’d like to add to my previous comment above:- Art Berman November 23, 2024 “Solutions Without Understanding: Why We’re Asking the Wrong Questions” In reply to a person named Steve’s comment” Art Berman on November 28, 2024: “Nate’s [Nate Hagens’s of The Great Simplification] “bend, not break” is, of course, figurative. Things bend by breaking into small fracture planes. Degrowth will never happen. Neither the political class nor the general public will consider the possibility of decline. It’s not because they are stupid or unsophisticated. It’s because we have lost the capacity for intuitive common sense as a civilization, and it began 5000 years ago but has gotten progressively worse. Most people are somewhere on the schizo-autistic spectrum. It’s not their fault. It’s neither bad nor good. It’s just the way things turned out. Read Iain McGilchrist and Carl Jung for more detail. All the best, Art”🤔

[@jbyrd655]

And what is the result of the loss of 1526 cubic miles of 'plankton' (animal and vegetable, with larval and juvenile macroscopic creatures and additional 'by-catch) from the most productive part of the Pacific Gyre? While the idea is reasonable, and the motive good, though perhaps not admirable (as it perpetuates the idea that we can 'technologize' our way out of this problem), the 'source rock' is too dilute, and the ecological damage too great for this to be a fix for anything. Better to let the natural ecological process take care of the existing plastic and stop the introduction of new plastic at the source. While it's good to see that intelligent people are thinking about these problems , it is disturbing that this cutting edge group ofen uses words and/or phrases that can be construed as redundant or oxymoronic or ill/half-suited for their intention. For instance, 'enough resources', as in "China doesn't have enough resources". Of course China has 'enough' resources; their shortage is identical to that of the society they're emulating, namely, the West's suicidal, ad propaganda-driven lack of self-control. A first step toward solving this likely unsolvable (primarily because of human nature) mess would be to use words accurately to describe and define it.

[@life42theuniverse]

My response to Albert Bartlett kzbin.info/aero/PLhH8w0wcKSeDpkunKyRWBkPCcjiEk6AL7

[@barrycarter8276]

First, your link didn’t work for me, I had to search, so maybe just write your comment, avoid links. And now: “But I think currently the problem we are facing is underpopulation, not overpopulation” You don’t think, and I don’t believe this, the rate of population growth “may” have slowed but it’s still rising towards that 10 billion, and we are in ecological overshoot by quite a margin, and without those FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils to prop global industrial civilisation’s modernity up, humanity will die off. And you can find a more modern take on that and Albert A. Bartlett’s Exponential Growth here: (Mathematician Dr B. Sidney Smith How To Enjoy The End Of The World) “Sid Smith - “HTETEOTW Chapter 5: Ecological Overshoot”🤔

[@life42theuniverse]

@barrycarter8276 The playlist: Ecosystem and Economy. Is my response.

[@barrycarter8276]

@@life42theuniverse Sorry, I’m not one for riddles, so who’s playlist? and is that the full title? But here’s my riddle, what’s missing:- Labour without ? is a corpse, Technology without ? is a sculpture, And a City without ? is a museum🤔

[@life42theuniverse]

@@barrycarter8276 Albert Bartlett: Fossil fuel is a finite supply of low entropy. The global economy is not prepared for the coming recession. Humans aren't the only lifeforms on the planet. Global ecosystems are necessary for human life, so must be shared. The planet has a thicker atmosphere, carbon emissions from the last century. Clear cutting forests and forest fires have reduced the global capacity for photosynthesis. Concrete, a source of carbon emissions, is/has being/been used to build ghost cities and is part of the heat wave. We have new AIs that can work without pay, but still need energy, more energy than human labor. The playlist has more... 500+ videos.

[@colleenmacinnis935]

I’m so thankful for this group. Such information and people give me hope and keep my curiosity peaked. I however ,see that the reality of the choice of presenters month after month is all old white men( absolutely no disrespect intended) it showed that at some level none of you value a diversity of knowledge, or believe others have valuable insights which much saddens me for you. To connect honestly to all you must find a broader voice. Young people, people from other ethnicities and both sexes. All old white is the past just as much as oil. Please speak to the future.

[@michaels4255]

This was a very valuable interview in most respects, but with one caveat: CO2 is not a climate control knob. The data are now so overwhelming that no informed person can honestly deny this any more. CO2 is simply not relevant to climate change except to the extent that cooling cycles drive CO2 lower over time by increasing the oceans' capacity to act as a giant carbon sink, but reduced food for plants is a burden, not a benefit, to the biosphere.

[@chadreilly]

Wut

[@thunderstorm6630]

that is fake news, of course co2 is the main driver of global warming

[@AndriiZ]

@@michaels4255 see how long you can get global oil reserves to last: lyis.ca/peak-oil/

[@antonyjh1234]

Give that another go but make it informative, factual and how did you think this jumble of words was empowering change, honestly?

[@puppetperception7861]

Cool story but where will you source your energy in 30 years?

[@tomhamilton7726]

LOL Peak oil. LOL

[@AndriiZ]

@@tomhamilton7726 see how long you can get our global oil reserves to last, fun game: lyis.ca/peak-oil/

[@tomhamilton7726]

@ I have no time for games, but be assured, I understand the challenges.

[@sonnyeastham]

This work is being done for A.I. to create a Global "Climate Impact" Taxation Paradigm for every human born and/or alive. CBDC.😮