LOKI Ending: What Happened To He Who Remains Kang and Deleted Scenes - Marvel Breakdown

[@emergencyawesome]

Here's my Loki video for what happened to he who remains. Let me know what you want Loki to do during Avengers 5! Here's my Moon Knight Season 2 video too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZnWommlo81gppY

[@bossdogtx]

First I’m the nerd of the week

[@emergencyawesome]

Congrats!

[@mustang4life]

Cannot wait to see what will become to achieve “Glorious Purpose”. Thanks Charlie. 🍻👏🏻🍻

[@emergencyawesome]

No problem!

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Super excited toward the future of the MCU I agree with thinking Charlie keep up the great content👍🏽

[@dylanwalser3138]

Out of anything, I genuinely want him to re-unite with Thor. I think that might be the most important aspect to me. Thor would be so proud

[@AttackUazik]

Pls, no. Thor is a joke now and I don't want to see any more comic scenes with awkward Loki. Let him remain cool on his chair.

[@CHOMPSBOMP]

​@@AttackUazikI agree thor is a joke

[@llxVxll]

I hope that they reunite too but I hope that thor 4 is just ignored as far as character 'development' goes. That wasn't Thor, idk what the fuck that was

[@ThePsychic24]

sounds like you want to reunite with a family member or friend, hoping that they would be proud of the person you've become in the interim.

[@servingitcold5107]

With that scoundrel Taika Waititi out, I really really hope that happens

[@Sunstar808]

I have a theory that if MCU’s Odin has the ability to see glimpses of the future like the mythological Odin, he might have seen Loki’s important destiny to save the timeliness and be part of Yggdrasil. This is partially a reason he tolerated Loki’s trickster shenanigans and possibly took him from Jotunheim.

[@joshuahuff607]

No, simply because the TVA would've pruned any of this from happening. This is not what's "meant" to happen

[@Sgt.chickens]

​@@joshuahuff607unless its all part of the plan

[@ep8310]

except according to Kang it was always the plan... so... no@@joshuahuff607

[@kimberlyjeanne9456]

And why he treated Loki like crap?

[@BigMac8000]

​@@kimberlyjeanne9456He didn't. Odin wasn't perfect, but he loved Loki. His love was spoiled by the fact that Loki, being short sighted, took Odin's humility as toxicity. The truth was that Odin loved Loki FIRST but Loki couldn't love himself. He's extrinsically motivated. Loki's glorious purpose was an obsession. When Loki asked Odin why he took him from the Ice Giants, Odin immediately answered because he was an innocent. Loki insisted there had to be purpose and design, and Odin said he did it to put his people together. Loki doesn't care about Asgard, not truly, because his obsession keeps him away. It's why he tends to only take power from it and immediately leave, it's why he's ok with it being destroyed. It's just a city. Odin wanted to combine people's, with love, but Loki wants grand purpose, design and control. "Independence, Authority, Style" was how he referred to what makes a Loki. He has ambition and Odin, in his later life, valued humility. They're naturally at odds. It's why Odin kicked down Thor too. Odin may have been aware, in some degree, Loki's potential future either by using his power... or more likely his wisdom. Loki's mother likely did too, same reasons. He didn't give Loki the throne because Loki doesn't care about it. He doesn't want it. He wants it all and doesn't understand why until centuries later at the TVA. Loki's mother gave him power by teaching him magic, but Odin loved Asgard and Loki would've only used it as a stepping stone. He didn't fault him for this. It's why Odin falls to ruin just talking to Loki, he's that torn between his people and Loki's obsessions. Typical father-son stuff, Odin's humility is likely what so infuriated Loki. It was formative for him. Between Thor and Odin Loki had no role to fill, so he hungered for purpose. And back and forth it went until madness. Not just Loki's but Odin's. ... and let's not forget Hela, either. ... raising that family was complicated.

[@T.Sh-Youtube]

Personally i'd love to see the 2nd season of Loki as the end of the show I don't think we need a 3rd season after the grand finale we just watched. It's just perfect

[@powerhouse884]

The Actor said this is the culmination of the character and 14yr of him on it. This is Done. If he comes back it will be for a Movie as Cameo or something related to his NEW state and addressing it to the rest if the Avengers specifically Thor.

[@acegardianarocrat]

agreed. This finale was perfect pls do not stretch it marvel

[@Arbythor]

@@acegardianarocratmarvel said there’s no plans for a season 3.

[@randallrobinson5546]

Loki was already sitting on the throne when the original war started. He who remains is the one who looped time so he would always win. I think he wanted to break the loop. He said he was tired. He was looking for the loki who could break the loop. The loki that could break the loop was the original one on the throne when the first war started. That's why he was hunting and pruning loki's. So what happens to loki if enough incursions happen? He can't leave the throne because he is holding the timelines together.

[@GODsoN_8471]

He was just looking for the right Loki because he needed the one taking over to have powers so they weren't dependent on his tech. He really was trying to save what he could

[@oleschool2241]

Loki had one of the best arcs I've ever seen 👀

[@goffed11]

Zuko levels

[@lorcan8484]

no

[@damiansaucedo9951]

Rewatched Loki season 1. This series was written so well and the music was absolutely emotionally fantastic. I will very much miss this writing once more.

[@scottritchie1278]

Loki needs to have the reunion with Thor in avengers 5

[@kushagraraghuwanshi]

No matter whatever Avengers 5 and 6 will be. And I would love to see Loki again. But not on the cost of wasting his glorious sacrifice

[@larrybroadhurstjr5263]

I just watched the finale again today😂. Greatest marvel show by far

[@emergencyawesome]

Awesome!

[@alysr1056]

I want Loki to remain as the God of stories and become the MacGuffin that resolves the problems facing the new Avengers team.

[@emergencyawesome]

He'll be a big part of Avengers 5 and Avengers 6

[@king_vision4085]

He’s not god of stories. He’s Altez. People just started saying God Of Stories cause other people said it

[@thad8909]

@@emergencyawesome When HWR is killed the Loom overloads and deletes realities that aren’t supposed to be there - hence, no multiversal war. Why then, did he tell Sylvie/Loki that his death leads to the war? What am I missing?

[@mattryan7124]

@@king_vision4085he could be a combination of three. Loki, god of stories. Altez. Avenger Prime.

[@king_vision4085]

@@mattryan7124 he definitely isn’t god of stories however.

[@loutzenheiser6081]

This series was EPIC, if it ends with two seasons it was absolutely great! If Season 3 comes, I'm here for it!

[@anubusx]

Cannot wait for season 3.

[@Jeckkz]

The one Marvel series I really hope we see more off.

[@emergencyawesome]

Loki will return in the future of the MCU.

[@qfranklin2777]

I now realized in ep6 he who remains give a reason why realities were spaghettifying, it was the temporal loom deleting(pruning) those branch timelines springing from the sacred timeline.

[@tatsusama3192]

I really hope they actually wait for the Major's trial to finish before deciding to recasting him. Hollywood better have learned their lesson from the Depp/Heard saga

[@purple12334]

Thanks for clearing this up. Things felt a bit uncertain about HWR’s ending when he asked Loki something along the lines of did you think I would just let Sylvie end me during one of their last conversations. It made me think that no matter what, HWR went elsewhere after Loki took over the timelines.

[@rhemy1]

He did go somewhere else. He would never allow himself to be perm dead. Loki saved the time lines including the one where HWR is born. Only know he doesn’t have to be in the citadel to manage time. He did what he did to avert a war, and now Loki is there. In the end he got what he wanted. The most important thing is that he like the other Kangs also exists outside of time. Loki being the god of time can’t affect them in the same way.

[@purple12334]

@@rhemy1 Thanks for the response. I think the video is implying that HWR is dead though.

[@keystone6162]

I think Loki became anything more than a living loom. That's it. Depends on the writers tho. But all Loki did was sacrifice his freedom to hold the ever expanding timelines together because the loom couldn't. After all he tried, he had to make that decision. HWR, seems to know this. He knew what Loki had learnt, he knew Loki had gotten Mr Timely, that's why he mocked his stutter. He was just waiting for Loki to realize that the only way to hold time, would be with a "living loom" that can "grow" as the timelines "grow"

[@artisan002]

Eh. I have been preferring the idea that Loki came up with the one solution Kang couldn't even attempt. I also like the idea that so much of He Who Remains' citadel was done up in kintsugi is because he lacked some essential abilities that Loki naturally possesses. And with regard to the future, I'm also fond of Loki figuring out how to find that pocket dimension and just wrecking the joint, so Kangs can't ever thrive again.

[@acegardianarocrat]

fully agreed

[@mikeserds2333]

the problem with this is it leaves too much plot holes. Most importantly why did he chose loki for his charade? It makes much more sense to have chosen loki for exactly what happened due to his powers of magic

[@artisan002]

@@mikeserds2333 Hubris in particular. Arrogance. If you've been gaming the system in your own favor for so long - especially when you're doing so via your own variants (and likely your own timeline) - you are _going_ to develop a confirmation bias, and eventually misunderstand key details about how your environment really works. We do this to ourselves all the time. Just look at people arguing about how a story ought to play out when none of us are involved in writing it. But, everyone else's ideas/opinions suck. This is such a regular thing in the history of humanity that we've been telling that kind of story since before we could write. And you're assuming Kang chose Loki, when it's pretty obvious he didn't. Case in point, if you choose someone, you don't then negotiate a neutralizing comfort with them (promising to preserve Loki's and Sylvie's preferred timelines if they go away). He's clearly been running the TVA on the interest of eliminating people that threaten his position, so much so that the other Kangs somehow can't reach him. That is some grade-A comfort to permanently exist in. Just like his bargaining routine; if you kill me, you'll set the others loose, and they're way worse than me. There's no evidence that a single Kang has been pruned. So, he's not stopped them; he's simply created a stalemate against his other selves. Similarly, the bulk of season 2 constantly demonstrated that his contingency plan with Victor Timely wasn't working; after all, the loom was never going to handle everything and was doomed to fail, thus negating the point of Victor's ascension. So, if He Who Remains had a truly sober understanding of his "present" situation, he would _not_ have reacted the way he did to Loki pausing time on his own. Were he a rational thinker, it should have been a reaction of alarm, or relief, depending on how he wants to live/die. Instead, He Who Remains has consistently talked down to Loki, at best treating him like an upstart rookie, and at worst just another fool who has no hope to understand the gravity of the situation. And that is a pretty classic representation of hubris... It really is that straightforward and easy to work out. And, after this week, we should hope Marvel has been working on some kind of backup plan that works similar to this.

[@chadquigley227]

I was thinking that the reason the citadel was all decayed was because when the loom exploded it obliterated it , and that’s all that left . It made sense to me because you could see the sacred timeline from the citadel , so if the loom exploded it’s not a far reach to think the explosion hit the citadel .

[@claudedottin1312]

Ohhh yes that makes sense!

[@MrOracos]

I have another theory, I think the events of loki season two finale was also the plan of He Who Remains in order for him to restart the loop and be back at the throne again & start from scratch. because if you remember in season one, he said that another versions of him will start the Multiversal war, and he will defeat them and end up right back here anyway so by the events of season two finale, Loki triggered the council of kings. Therefore he triggered the first step to restart the loop, and set the path for he who remains to win the war again and be right back in the chair.

[@adriansmith3427]

Yes, but he wanted Loki or Sylvie to take his place. I think he was telling them what would happen ,if they didn't take his place. But you could be right.

[@joshuathomas9576]

In Season 1 Kang explains everything and says “ and that’s the GAMBIT “ every time line is playing a role in his master plan. He creates everything including Loki , that’s why he was chosen to be God Loki. He made the path for him to discover. Now his circle is complete. In Antman I think he created an incursion when he was defeated making a problem in the timeline and that’s why we see the council of Kangs story unfolding.

[@enderprodigy3167]

I think Lokis centuries of looped time helped him overcome his death. because Loki let freewill be the status quo of the multiverse I'd assume He Who Remains was reborn and made the same causal decisions of the 616. My assumption is we will see Loki officially dethrone HWR from his throne in Lokis' new 616. I think he is disguised as Valkyrie and will likely get close to HWR in Secret Wars or Kang dynasty.

[@ericwarr9088]

​@@enderprodigy3167...huh...

[@enderprodigy3167]

@ericwarr9088 This is what I've been saying now for 2 years minimum. This is why Valkyrie is Loki on the timeline. My theory indicates that Loki has been enchanting already on the main timeline. Indicating the infinity Saga Loki is the same variant Loki of the Loki series. The universe we know is retrocausal or and dualistic. Loki has been changing the timeline since the first Avengers. "He wants to show us something! A new Universe." Selvig, Avengers. In my theory, Loki purposely lost the battle of New York to ensure the Avengers got the mind stone. Within it enough information to change the outcome of HWR timeline. Tony lays his life on the line and Cap finds a way to cut the wire so to speak. Tony is granted visions of a major defeat where he is the sole survivor crippled with guilt. Leading to Ultron and the disbanding of the whole team. Meanwhile, Loki takes Hulk out of the equation and adds him to team Revengers to help create a diversion to fool Thanos with his chosen sacrifice, Valkyrie. I'm getting ahead of myself though. Loki, to my current knowledge, began enchanting in Thor the Dark World. He utilized a soldier (likely Baulder) to enchant and then cast his likeness over to fool his brother into believing he was dead while hoodwinking Odin and casting him to Earth as a geriatric fool. Thereby giving Thor freedom from the throne and leaving the 9 realms relatively unprotected. giving Thanos his moment to get the gauntlet and collect the stones. a predestined event thanks to the timeheist and Thanos 2018 self gaining access to Nebulas entangled network. Thanos knows what it's like to lose to Tony by the time he gets back to Infinity War. Thanos knew Ragnarock would be the moment he was to strike because he recorded all the information. not to mention he had access to PYM particles to blitzkrieg the Avengers in endgame. Tonies snap will likely be as a dream to Thanos back in 2018. He'll be cursed with knowledge. And he'll change his outcome. Just Like Loki. He goaded Thor to take is head. This is likely because he wanted to sell the trick. He tricked Gamora on knowhere with the reality stone. I wouldn't be surprised if he put another veil over the garden before Atomizing the Stones, assuming he actually did atomize them. He "atomized" the stones to force the timeheist. This is why the work is always done. The Infinity War is a nexus for changing the outcome of the timeline in an attempt for HWR to escape his prison at the end of time. To press onto real change past the threshold. It's clear that's what He Who Remains enjoyed the most when Loki and Sylvie entered his chamber. His Tem Pad will likely end up in his younger selfs hands at some point, and he will avert his death at Sylvies hand. In fact it's likely already past tense. Loki at the end of time is another branch in which the 616 sacred timeline still exists. Loki must ha e reinstated or passed knowledge to his prior self and wrote a way in which he doesn't die. Loki Enchanted Valkyrie on Sakaar. He utilized her most traumatic memory to subdue her and take over her mind. Then he punches himself to show struggle before tying up his new doppleganger and taking her identity for his own. This doesn't even scratch the surface of this matter, but I'll leave that be. Cap is now a shadow dictator in the past controlling causal events finally willing to have both hands on the wheel. He likely inspired Hitler to go to war to ensure the creation of HYDRA which by effect creates SHIELD which adopts German scientists via paperclip to create project insight which is likely a precursor to miss minutes. P.E.G.A.S.U.S. is a whole different can of worms. If Loki being Valkyrie is right I suspect he may have laid the groundwork in the medieval past to create a real Pegasus he could use in endgame. Unless they saved it from Asgaard. I suspect this concept will be explored by Black Knights story surrounding the tesseract. But this isn't officially part of this theory. just something I'm toying with currently. To top it all off I think Wanda found a way to rewrite all the minds of the world from within the mind stone and that our timeline may have always been a post house of M timeline. I mean Feige worked on the X-Men. You know he masterminded the whole get the band back together thing a long time ago. He likely knew Disney had the cash to make that a reality. They likely made an agreement to buy fox before he was even able to use Wanda. But they shot all the scenes that include the word mutant for the soft reboot. I'm just saying the way things played out is too convenient to not be planned. I believe the hype and Rollercoaster ride is fabricated to manipulate the masses so these corporations don't get caught in monopolizing. But I can't prove it and I don't want it proven lol. see the propaganda works. win win. I could talk about this for days. I really do believe I cracked the code a long time ago. I got a lot on this subject. such as the conundrum of the devils anus. I believe it was created by the collapsing black hole at the end of the first Thor. " That looks like a collapsing neutron star inside of an EinsteinRosenbridge!" Banner gave it away. Hulk helped Loki escape because he was disguised as Valkyrie. I believe timeslipping is why Banner refers to Lokis mind as a bag of Cats. Lokis mind is interconnected with knowledge of the multiverse, which is simultaneously himself, So while the new timeline is simultaneously HWR timeline it is also connected in phase with the multiverse. meaning Loki can gain access to knowledge beyond himself and potentially even let his future self take control of events in the past to steer causal order within a multiverse. His melding of the mind stone and space stone are points for nexus change and the beginning of causal loops. He or Thanos shaped the outcome of the infinty war. There are now potentially infinite points for new multuverses to thrive. Sorry if this is jumbled I kind of got ahead of myself at points and looped back to finish previous statements. So consider this an unrefined version of events that still only scratches the surface of what it implicates. Regardless the first season of the Loki series preshadows how Loki escaped his death. Now all we're waiting on is for Loki and Thanos to reveal themselves. Our timeline past endgame is free to do what it wants. Meaning Loki is free to do what he wants. But first he must still dethrone HWR from that timeline. In order for it to be his. I suspect this is why he still hides on the timeline. Because HWR still needs to end the multiversal war and Loki must ensure the throne is no longer HWR on his iteration of the sacred timeline. On Lokis timeline He will make HWR become Kang the conqueror and an outcast like He did to him.

[@kobekobe8527]

I want them to recast venom and give us a more comic book accurate venom that hates spider man and not all funny, goofy and all comedy like Tom hardy venom ‼️

[@kelvinsekwati4016]

Great video as always. Can't wait for more on loki, can't get enough on anything LOKI

[@emergencyawesome]

Thanks! I'll do more Loki videos when we learn more about the future of the character!

[@mbcarbaugh78]

Love this series and Loki's complete story line. My question is... was Loki always the keeper of time through the Avengers movie series? Like he existed in two planes at one time because the time stone was green like the primary color associated with Loki's costume/armor? Sorry if this question sounds stupid. Just something I have been wondering since the season 2 ending.

[@lababelux9304]

Me also wondering bout those things 😂

[@BigMac8000]

No. There is a line of causality. It's thin, but it's there. Kang however, definitively was. That can change the moment Loki steps into the timeline, but in no way significant enough to remove Kang's fundamental involvement. So let's simplify. The TVA exists somewhat outside of time, but that's impossible. It's very likely the first and last branch, it IS the sacred timeline for all intents and purposes. The branches it prunes are offshoots of itself. It's the center. Even though they destroy the branch it was pruning, in essence, it still exists and will always exist in some form or another. It's the only branch that can truly change itself but will always be reborn, which is why Mobius and Ouroboros are so mentioned. It's the fundamental timeline. Kang ran the original TVA under a fake guise of the Celestials, who do exist. There's a chance that Loki, in the end, gives it to them for a new iteration. The TVA exists outside of time, but it's still Kang's timeline. When Loki takes over he can retcon this, but likely won't. He could, but that's his choice. Time is fluid at the TVA and he could also let it fall in that world-mouth creature and start over. But what had been will always be, regardless of how it changes going forward Kang was in charge during the original Marvel stages. Now this will get confusing, because we're jumping ahead a bit. Earth 616 is the "prime" universe of Marvel mainstream continuity. Loki can go anywhere he wants in that timeline meaning he SHARES the continuity NOW. However... If he were to meddle with any of Kang's machinations IN that timeline that directly contribute to the TVA or his timeline, it won't work if it changes what originally happened. But we don't know what originally happened because Kang hasn't been introduced yet except for Quantumania, and they already suggested they're multiversal world hopping there which conflagrates the issue even further as these universes aren't other timelines, they're multiversal (and likely infinite). He who remains Kang isn't the kang in 616 we've met. So... What does that mean? It means they currently share this continuity and can do what they want, but up until this moment Loki hasn't been in control. He can exert control, ratifying the original question to a "yes" but until he does so, canonically he hasn't been curating events beyond his own involvement in that timeline until he became a variant. Kang, however, canonically is in control. But Loki can change whatever Kang did, as long as it doesn't affect Kang's preexisting order. How does that resolve? Complicated. Since we have no beginning of end date, and no way to determine 616 from the "sacred timeline" we can't be sure what universe we were even looking at or what Kang chose as his role there. They can come into conflict, they can tapdance together, that's up to Loki NOW. But the TVA still is in the universe and subject to time travel issues. He who remains chose to share power with Loki, Sylvie and the TVA and likely did so after seeing MILLIONS of other timelines, much like Loki did. In essence, they shared the throne. Kang sat on it first, Loki second, and who knows who else over time. Loki's choices move forward from here but he can choose another, like Sylvie, should he require it. But if he goes back and curated the timeline, he can scrub some of Kang's works, but ultimately not the true sacred timeline, which is the TVA. They share that one, too. He can change 99.999999% of the timelines but those two things he can't. If he were to try it would cause paradox's and the unraveling of the universe. He can do A LOT from here but all the Mobius and Ouroboros references seem to suggest that in the end, the real danger is a casual loop. Loki, if he changed enough, would give over power to the Celestials or similar people, but in the end what came to pass will do so again. So this loop is secured, it can do a lot but ultimately it would return to what we've seen. So right now, no. The moment Loki drops a variant (as he is likely to do) into 616 he's now curating something from his throne. These things can be retrocausal too, dropping a duplicate (which he's likely doing from his throne using duplication magic, something he's very adamant is different from illusion magic and is not a variant, but a molecular duplicate) into the future can change events in the past within that timeline... using pym particles within that timeline. This may have already happened as Doctor Strange saw a potential Loki in the 14 million timelines. There's a great chance that happened already BUT BUT It hasn't happened *yet*. Because the TVA Sacred Timeline is sacrosanct, so when it happens it happens. We also can't know if what we've been seeing was Sacred Timeline or branch 616. Quantumania was referenced as seeing the first Kang at the end of season 2, briefly. In the comics 616 is the prime universe, it's what we typically are seeing... but was that the sacred timeline? Nope, because it has a 616 designation. It's a branch. Until we know what timeline we're viewing, and what they WERE this question will be even harder to figure out. It's likely Loki only will change 616 and whatever the sacred timeline was, is likely the timeline now gutted for the TVA. A Timeline curated by Kang to create the perfect TVA. Until then, all theory. But the moment Loki steps into 616 it's now retrocausal and curated forever. The moment Loki steps into the Sacred timeline he's curating it. Tree God loki though, when we see him step into a timeline bam, it's now co-owner. Doesn't matter when. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk, if you made it here without having to look up the term retrocausal I commend you.

[@brianpainter6620]

I'm really curious what happened to the adult variant Victor Timely that was in the control room with everyone else as Loki ascended his throne. They showed a young Victor never getting the TVA handbook, but that should not have changed the adult variant.

[@Louis-wx1fo]

I think young Victor even though he could probably create similar inventions without receiving the Handbook is never gunna amount to much because of the technology available to him in that part in time .

[@youngcity216]

Thats what i want to know

[@shadysif6220]

The adult Victor is a part of the sacred time-line, his younger self exist in a branched reality. Since the TV allows individuals to choose, I'd put money on him remaining at the TVA

[@erkfx4154]

@@shadysif6220he did co-author the second version of the TVA handbook and O.B’s workstation looks a lot cleaner, and someone has to cover for O.B. While he’s on the upper level in the TVA. I think New Rockstars had this theory, I’m just going with it because I like the theory 😂

[@Dec4AllTimeAlways]

*Doctor* *Doom* I'm not into reading comics. I owned a few back in the early 90s when X-Men was all the rage for Marvel fans but reading comics has never been my thing. So I was playing Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on my PS Vita slim yesterday trying to beat Galactus at the end and I came to realize Doctor Doom is such a BADASS!!! Then I watched videos and how powerful Doctor Doom is on KZbin. I'm starting to want both Kang and DD for The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Let's not lose either of them. Maybe have Doctor Doom defeat Kang in Avengers 5 before being the big baddie in Avengers 6? MCU needs to get Doctor Doom right if Fantastic Four comes out. Cillian Murphy is a popular choice to portray DD but I'll be happy if it's Andrew Lincoln, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Bill Skarsgard, or Josh Hartnett. Victor von Doom supposedly stands at 6'2 and then 6'7 when armored similar to Darth Vader (the late David Prowse stood at 6'6). I read MCU Doctor Doom is a descendant of the Conquistadors who tussled with Namor. They're looking at *Javier* *Bardem* for the role. Latvia will be reimagined as a Mediterranean country. I'm actually okay with that if Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards. Latino men are excellent actors. Doctor Doom will be wearing a mask anyway, so it doesn't matter much what he looks like once he starts doing some badass shit. He just needs to be a complicated character with depth. He needs to be intelligent and have swagger like Vader when being a villain. I've seen videos comparing Doctor Doom vs. Kang, and Doom always won out in most categories. Kang simply isn't interesting enough from a narrative perspective. Doom is the more interesting character. Doctor Doom has the potential to be the greatest MCU villain of all-time up there with Loki, Thanos, and Hela. Those three are the only villains I found memorable. Doom needs to be in more than two movies. Then we can shift to Galactus after the heroes deal with Doom.

[@ullaskaluvala1189]

I like Johnathan majors as kang the nuances he can bring in each kang is on spot so it would not be a good idea to swap him

[@redbladey]

Charlie thank you for another awesome update, love all the info and the continued Loki coverage (he's the best) ! 💚 "Kevin who remains" got me pretty good ngl.

[@emergencyawesome]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@balaselvam7024]

My question is how did they know about the name "Kang"? I didn't think anyone in the MCU has used that term yet, especially at the TVA?

[@NOVEx8R]

To answer your question, u need to go rewatch the last 2 or 3 episodes in season 1.

[@NOVEx8R]

@@aleck1739 Am I having some Mandela effect bs. Thought in season 1 when they found "Kang". There's a scene where he says he goes by many names etc.

[@seat89]

Kang says this dialogue in quantamania : "I am Kang , you talk to ants"

[@tiramitzu8342]

rewatched this yesterday! I still feel left hanging, thx for making this!

[@emergencyawesome]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mymray]

What if the "3rd" option that Loki creates was all Kang's plan to remove Loki from the bigger picture by keeping Loki strapped to a chair at the center of the world tree?

[@keystone6162]

This is more along the lines of my opinion. HWR won, Loki and everything he did was all part of the plan. Everything Loki tried, failed. Until he had to sacrifice himself, not his variant, himself.

[@Antifag1977]

This is my theory too. Kang had lived millions of not billions of lifetimes and probably has a better understanding of most super powered people - be they heroes or villains - than they each have of themselves.

[@keystone6162]

@@Antifag1977 yeah I see soo many people saying that Loki won because he was empowered when he went back a few hundred years. Lol Loki went back just to learn what OB and Timely knew about the loom, nothing else really. HWR knew Loki met Timely, he was mocking his stutter. So HWR knew everything Loki would encounter. Loki became a living loom to replace the loom that's basically all. He's now tethered to hold time together, like Atlas holds the world in Greek mythology.

[@mrrelaxede2085]

Kevin who remains. #Facts 😂

[@emergencyawesome]

lol, yep

[@Linda-hf7vr]

yep, Kevin-Who-Remains, he is the true power behind the throne. Disappoint Kevin or make him unhappy at your risk.

[@WillowRosas]

Im personally curious why Kang turned his head back like he was checking something outside the window behind him when Loki noticed the chalkboard. Maybe its nothing but I found it so odd.

[@preciousuduji8884]

I think he is watching out for other kangs

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

If Loki is now remaining, does that mean Kang is now free? Like a Kang can now be somewhere else at the end of time? Does that even make sense? He Who Remained doesn't want a council of variants. Is this his plan to get rid of them? Or did he always WANT one (but in the sacred timeline he HAD to kill them all) and now he CAN have one?

[@rekthereaper3760]

Im interested in what loki will fix. Is it true freedom or are things going the way he wants . Tony not dying , Natasha not sacrificing herself. And that's just what I could think of . Imagine what he could change

[@eaglesphan5650]

There’s an Agatha special look out now. It got footage.

[@emergencyawesome]

I already did a video about that this past weekend.

[@eaglesphan5650]

@@emergencyawesomeI’m late lol.

[@TehStylishone]

How did Loki gain the time slipping ability? Did he always have it?

[@emergencyawesome]

He always had it in him. He just had not unlocked the ability yet.

[@Marshkoon]

He got it from slyvie pushing him through time via HWR temp pad without actually letting him keep it like slyvie does. Hence why it’s the only one you must keep on person as we saw it’s reminiscent of the time space GPS Tony makes. HWR took off his temp pad for one of them to take it and do exactly what we saw. HWR temp pad can do everything Loki can do he just gave him the innate power because he’s a God he should be able to handle it

[@firecrow7973]

@@Marshkoon you forgot to put "I think"

[@Marshkoon]

@@firecrow7973 it’s not I think if you just watch the show??? That’s how he got the powers we know HWR wanted him to have to become him without the need of technology literally Loki is doing what the loom and the master temp pad is doing. Providing energy as the loom and now having the same abilities as HWR temp pad just INNATELY hence the light jeering if Loki could pause time of others around him. Are you of the opinion he didn’t give Loki the powers?

[@royvarghese5334]

​@@MarshkoonYou still should put "I think"... 😂

[@ricard_ndp]

Loki series is the best on marvel project

[@jcd9456]

I think professionals in software design is amazed by this plot. Because I am in my last year in IT and we have tackled the topic of software design for error handling, etc. Amazing!

[@lisasavage6277]

That's what I thought and hoped it happened. Thank you for confirming

[@emergencyawesome]

no problem!

[@JoseOrtiz-ri9bk]

You the man Charlie! “Kevin who remains” 😮😅😂

[@richtang4946]

Great breakdown Charlie

[@seanpatrickcain2]

Maybe in the third season we'll finally see Mister Gryphon

[@emergencyawesome]

We'll see!

[@deenell9039]

The problem with Kang is that he can die but, he's alive to anyone who can jump time. Turning Loki into LWR helps HWR stay alive.

[@giancarlodr.iodice1701]

That scene is AmAzIng..this one, just after he mentions equation, LOki took a look of the one equation on the wall...LOki realise that is not burden by science, loki does not have tech todo things he does by magic gods will

[@TroyNaumu808]

Kang: He Who Remains is behind it all. He is still orchestrating things behind the scenes. He is not yet extinguished.

[@michaeltitler]

I’d like to see Loki take a role like the Watcher but eventually intervene and save some moment that seems like it’s the end.

[@isaacperez9209]

Ok that makes sense. Was curious about that. Thank you again as always. You are awesome!!

[@emergencyawesome]

Any time!

[@cheekster777]

Thank you Charlie.

[@emergencyawesome]

You're welcome, thanks!

[@cheekster777]

@@emergencyawesome 👊🏻

[@bossdogtx]

Question when we talk about Loki does he become the original after seeing the memories? Or is this a whole new loki separate from the un living one? Because this has always been sorta confusing because the story continues with this tv loki

[@that_13year_old62]

Hi maybe I can help, so we know the original Loki is dead. And this is 2012 Loki after he escaped with the space stone. This Loki we have on the TV show is still a variant even though he has the memories.

[@jonah1821]

If they get rid of Jonathan Majors as Kang, that will be a major ball drop considering this phase isn't going well. Not too mention, have you seen his performance? You would be nuts to get rid of him!

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I hope they use loki as the reason kid loki just randomly shows up in the MCU timeline ,and is able to join the young avenger.

[@lawfighter2023]

Now when loki has become the most loved character, marvel will find ways of getting him back in movies every now and then.

[@teanetgabriel]

I hope marvel can show us a spin off of kang winning the previous war. How he conquered all

[@richtang4946]

I think the victor timely that who got the Manuel works at the tva with OB

[@Chops_on_tour]

On D+ they put loki just after infinity war and it makes EVERYTHING after it feel different

[@meaguy3216]

Perhaps a scene where Loki goes back to the 70s to watch Zaniac. A loooooong scene...kinda like in Hawkeye when we saw Rogers The Musical...

[@ManJugger]

Loki spent hundreds of years learning from OB all the science that HWR knew, but Loki has a plus because he is a God and can use magical powers, and all the things he went through made him understand how to choose the best solution. Mobius showed him how bad Loki has done in his future (this Loki from TVA still hasn't had time to do all the bad things to his family or die at the hands of Thanos), Sylvie showed him that there can be a third version in which to endlessly try to protect free will, i.e. the new branches of timelines that were being born. So Loki rules over HWR's powers because he can support an infinity of new branches. HWR is dead because Loki only went back in time to understand and experiment what is the best solution to stabilize the "weaver" timelines, but in the end Sylvie gave him the third option of sacrificing himself

[@HardyOh]

That Feige b-roll will never get old.

[@illentertainment710]

I love that there bringing in Waldron to write but they need to also bring in the guy who rewrote some of season 1 and wrote all of season 2 tbh

[@jockdavis7852]

I feel like He Who Remains also have the ability to timeslip and that why he knows what gonna happen.

[@GM_Photography25]

Kevin who remains 🤣 good one

[@hopewellbongumusa6627]

Thanks a lot bro , I was so confused with the whole multiverse thing , now I get it 👍👍

[@yaceyko1]

Marvel should have Loki cameo in their projects like how Stan lee did back in the day.

[@Marko.Veljkovic]

well now everything makes sense, avengers 5 is now named avengers doomsday, so kang is over with marvel... wow

[@calebfortune]

I enjoyed the parallel of the time tree to Asgard’s illustration of the realms. Feels like he manifested how he understands meta concepts from his childhood.

[@kleur3356]

Because of loki time sliping it creates a part of tim in which the loom couldn't handle, by the time loki starts time-sliping the TVA'S time is now relevant to the loom so everytime loki does it for centuries eventually the loom couldn't hold it much longer

[@Nercus31]

lol how many “pocket dimensions” are out there which aren’t effected by time: Quantum Realm, TVA, Council of Kangs dimension, the gods realms like Walhalla or the Egyptian one from moon knight. Maybe Charlie can make an extra session about these “special” dimensions which could be so many that the term “special” becomes obsolete 😊

[@thad8909]

When HWR is killed the Loom overloads and deletes realities that aren’t supposed to be there - hence, no multiversal war. Why then, did he tell Sylvie/Loki that his death leads to the war? What am I missing?

[@emergencyawesome]

He was saying, if Loki destroyed the loom, there would be a kang multiverse war. He who remains didn't expect loki to sacrifice himself by choosing to remain on the chair (Loki Who Remains).

[@thad8909]

@@emergencyawesome He told them this in Season 1 though - that all his variants would show up (i.e. an infinite number of devils). Something doesn’t add up bc they shouldn’t exist with the Loom failsafe in place. The Sacred Timeline only includes realities that lead to HWR ruling. Have we uncovered a writing plot hole?

[@thad8909]

@@emergencyawesome Also, when HWR said “my variants are already out there” I took that to mean he understood Sylvie had already killed him - and that he and Loki were technically talking in the past before his death. Even though the Council of Kangs we see in Ant-Man may exist outside of time, all the others in the stadium would normally reside their own timeline - so it’d make more sense that their existences were triggered by HWR’s death.

[@qfranklin2777]

​@@thad8909you didn't understand, what he who remains said to loki is IF he destroy the loom, the cycle(history) will repeat itself with multiversal war all realities including the sacred timeline will die if loki did decide to destroy the loom(failsafe) hypothetically, the loom is basically protects the sacred timeline from anniliation he who remains & alioth plays a big part in that

[@thad8909]

@@qfranklin2777 I get that, but I’m talking about what he told them in Season 1 before the Loom was even mentioned. He specifically said his death is what would cause his variants to show up and lead to war.

[@tzvifeinberg1163]

Loki is basically the beyonder when it comes to secret wars. The whole reason they had him take over the he who remains post and even do a season two at all was so that he could fill the position when they nix majors

[@ToxynCorvin8008]

I'm just guessing here but someone or something always held the multiversal tree on that throne until HWR or any of his varients came along and killed that being and replaced it with HWR sacred timeline and his timeline pruner. It could even have been an actual live tree that was tended to until HWR destroyed it for his one timeline.

[@mikepagani6996]

That would be alioth I reckon

[@BretMuckdogs]

Thank you for this video.

[@edisonperez966]

Recast Jonathan Majors, would be suicide. It would ruin everything.

[@Thumbs146]

I think He Who Remains death was planned, but not as a means to an end, but as a beginning. Remember him saying “reincarnation, baby”? The whole concept of Ouroboros of Season 2? The point is for the loop to start over again. Maybe Loki taking over creates the events for He Who Remains to return….

[@rhemy1]

He who remains does return just not as the version of himself who has to sit at the end of time to protect all time. Loki is doing that now. We saw a he who remains at the end of Antman. And he was existing outside of time with the other Kangs. We don’t even know who he who remains actually is which version ends up being him. All we know is that at some point outside of time HWR dies, but at some point he existed in Time and that branch is one Loki saved. He could have built the citadel at some pint and then abandoned it when he realized what was going to occur.

[@robertwotring7318]

Yes!!!! Good review.

[@emergencyawesome]

Thanks!

[@jcdenton1868]

Hwr wanted to pass throne to loki and leave that to live in sacred timeline. He couldnt see the future after threshold but he believed that there is only two option for loki and he wants the throne therefore had to kill sylvie. However, Loki really had glorious purpose which even Hwr couldn't comprehend.

[@RunningOnEmpty-f7r]

I think re-cast is the most optimal solution here. Although I'm really upset that I will never see Majors in the MCU again, changing an actor seems to be a better choice rather than changing everything because of his absence. I mean there's so much build-up that has been made so far around Kang, you can't just pretend he never existed and move on at this point

[@timjim3534]

Thank you

[@emergencyawesome]

Welcome!

[@RainesProductions]

I see Loki being like the Beyonder in assembling heroes to take on Kang and/or Dr. Doom.

[@DMAN007xo]

Loki ending is So powerful and the selfless act of self SACRIFICE for infinity for all of life in the multiverse. To be alone for infinity. That amount of power in the wrong hands is unimaginable!!!! This the best redemption ending of all time!!!!!

[@Des_Zee]

8:58 spice Adams as Kang would be epic🤣🤣

[@Rvmoss]

He paved the road as well to his time slipping which is crippling when Johnathan(Kang) says that.

[@Akura359]

Kevin who remains 😂😂

[@BarryObaminable]

what was HWRs move? to have loki take over and then HWR retires? Whats he going to do to stop the TVA from pruning kang at that poiint

[@bdot0276]

I want Loki to be the harbinger for the new avengers, letting them know the on coming war of the council of Kangs.

[@reggiem3122]

Loki went from villian to saving everyone I can't wait to see when Thor meets Loki again an realizes wht his brother as become 👍

[@tumultuous_shreyas]

Hey Charlie, I am like super confused post Loki season 2. Now that Loki is god of stories. How is he different from the watcher? Or is Loki only managing the multiple timelines within the 616 universe?? How can he be saving the multiverse? I have seen so many explanations and I believe Loki season 1 intro showed multiple universe have multiple big bang so to speak..?? Can you do a video on timeline and universe explanation post Loki season2 ending?? PS: Love your videos❤ PPS : Thanks in advance

[@LEESTLANE]

I personally would like to see Loki in the avengers 5 as the Avenger Prime, just like in the comics where Loki recruits heroes from the multiverse to help the fight for the 616 universe during the events of the secret wars.

[@starfox8006]

I think Loki got powerful enough to create an exact clone to hold the timelines together. Like how old school Loki fooled Thanos and escaped. That's my theory

[@peoplez129]

I mean he should be able to just manifest himself anywhere in the timelines, but he's definitely physically trapped on the throne. In a way it doesn't matter where his physical body is at that point. It only matters if he has to defend himself from anyone that comes for him eventually, like the Kangs, since they are outside of time.

[@facuperez2707]

Finally Loki Redimed himself and become the King Loki with a Glorious Purpose!! 🎥💚🌿✨

[@CalebByRamen]

I hope next year only having 1 movie, and it being good, reenergizes fans for Marvel!

[@brianfarmer858]

I want Thor to know his brother matured and is taking responsibility. I believe Thor would be proud.

[@JoseVargas-dq1zi]

Let's see what comes next

[@ThatFunnyPlace]

Lol you telling me you havent learned to pause.... .. .. time 😂😂

[@eddieedwards1238]

Tbh some He Who Remains variants still exist every time Loki sparred his life a new timeline was created

[@silverray7]

Did anyone notice the TREE shape is very mystical in marvel, Odin's power is also from some tree, etc. only a best marvel fan can explain this better then me.

[@davidhenderson7360]

For loki to come back and save the day.

[@qfranklin2777]

I don't think ep6 was a he who remains vs loki, and if it was he who remains would win, he who remains give loki timeslipping ability to made loki stronger, he who remains also allowed loki to change the equation, which loki successful did.

[@universal3024]

So let’s sit down, forever ..