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[@ohshiieet9106]

Fun fact: you can't actually see invoker's sun strike but you can see him cast it

[@Life_is_a_meme69]

Yee.. but u can see cataclysm..

[@pohkwangtan8804]

ya thats why catalysm is mostly used when ur teamate have aoe stun

[@qairuliman4304]

Yeah normal sunstrike cant be seen by enemy

[@lazyboy1042]

Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha i know 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Apezz19]

Let me clear things out in here..single sunstrike cant be seen by the enemy..but the aganim sunstrike (the one with many sunstrikes) can be seen by enemy..usually by that time, u know ur fckd..

[@3mKay]

enemies cannot see the regular single sunstrike, just cataclysm

[@clownbit3049]

nah we can look the animation

[@darylilol8552]

@@clownbit3049 they cant see where it will spawn, only allies can

[@FR-ey5po]

@@darylilol8552 he mean the voker cast animation

[@darylilol8552]

@@FR-ey5po yea, enemy cant see that. It just explodes out of nowhere to them

[@lowendplayer4259]

@@clownbit3049 its not only about animation, SS makes a fucking high pitch aound which raise your fucking heartbeats and you starts to panic and you start moving to random directions and BAAM SS

[@ahmadfadelyusuf4003]

To answer your question. In 10:30 In dota the support still can do something alone and because the voker is so low they should be able to kill Voker, but because the voker is using the Fog of war in his advantage he won that fight, the venomance should open the bision first from faraway then just shoot a long range spell. For the next clip, emver spirit Ultimate let him lay down a remnant which he can go back to that remnant whenever and wherever he want, so he decide to put his remnant in the midlane and tp back to base for 1 quick stop to full regen. Some of the play is actually pretty hard to execute, but you just cannot comprehend it because you dont understand.

[@ernestfredisidto9539]

and also the high ground advantage, when you're ranged you get a 25 percent miss chance when doing a right click hit

[@vincentisabluearchivesensei]

@@ernestfredisidto9539 wait it's only 25 percent why the heck did i miss 2 of my 3 attacks

[@Jaytee27]

@@vincentisabluearchivesensei because you didnt get the 75% atk non-miss? lol

[@jekiro020]

Enemies can't see the single sunstrike casting animation, just the cataclysm

[@Dandrys]

Exactly, in LoL you used to predict where enemy is casting spells, for example old Rupture( Cho'Gaths Q, or 1st spell ) from Cho'Gath was also invisible for enemies, untill it actually hit. Nowdays in LoL you are able to see not only the enemy animation of Rupture beeing cast "the stomp animation, which is attatched to Rupture spell", but also the ground indicator, where the spell is going to hit. In case of Invoker's Sunstrike and many other spells with delay in DotA 2, you only see the character/hero cast animation. So if you want to dodge sunstrike, you look on invokers hands, so that you see when he is casting sunstrike, you try to predict where he is casting it and in the last step you are dodging it.

[@naz-ghul6327]

just a small corection. you can see the cycle on ground on cata (2 strikes per enemy heros), not for normal sunstrike. You CAN see casting animation on normal sunstrike. Casting animation is what the hero model does when he cast the spell. If you look closly to the invoker model, he will put up his arms when he casts a spell. And he needs to turn to the side where he casts the spell. Sunstrike is global, but he still needs to cast it, so if you expect the sunstrike to come and you see invoker on map (i.e. not in fog of war) you can wath him, and when he raises his arms a bit you know he casted sunstrike somewhere on the map in a line where he is wathing. (BTW the casting animation is same for all spells so it cud be any other spell then sunstrike too :D But this is the way to dodge sunstrikes, and good mid players playing vs invokers will make calls "he is sunstriking top/bot" based on this knowledge usualy in early game when they are lining)

[@Dandrys]

@@naz-ghul6327 yep, very usefull knowledge, pin point accurate

[@BrunoDGames]

Please watch till the end because I find out in game that u can’t see sunstrike as enemy

[@never-2174]

yes, thats why if you're on low health and theres an invoker as enemy, you pray hes a noob at aiming, or has sunstrike on cooldown

[@frking100]

@@never-2174 or you start walking in stupid directions

[@johnpaulmalicdem8848]

just be stupid when you are low health and go somewhere random it lowers the risk of getting hit dont think about it just move random .. if you think about it he's in your head

[@King_Bitcoin]

Pray to God that if you have Enemy invoker pray that his Bad at the hero. True if low health Run randomly Dont Stop running until you see him using his casting animation. If you didnt see him casting Praise the Sun.

[@rorymercury3977]

@@never-2174 unless they have bloodseeker

[@mikelisbalodis8937]

In dota, of course a level advantage is significant in terms of spell damage or having an ult, but in terms of just hitting each other, the stat increase per level is not that high, so a level 9 lifestealer with armlet would definitely go on a lvl 13/14 invo if he thinks his spells are on CD or low mana.

[@johnchristianjuquiana9747]

you can see the scepter sunstrike coming (cataclysm) but not the regular one. 1:30 , plus he is on the low ground too so he can only see darkness up stairs.

[@spoogle621]

"Not a fan of the multi sunstrike" try landing a rampage cataclysm. There's alot of factors in play there, not just the setup. (aghs timing/invo power spike/item counters etc)

[@thenarrator1921]

Sunstrike is 600~ pure damage nuke, the damage gets shared over the units on the area. The regular sunstrike cannot be seen. Cataclysm (Aghanim's upgrade) will spawn two of sunstrikes within a random limited AoE around every enemy hero- this can be seen by the enemy team but not the regular Sunstrike. Key part why it's strong is the pure damage, it also goes through BKB.

[@albin712151826]

i love it how he tried to see the aghs stat on a youtube video ... and turned the quality up 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@malsawmaralte5869]

haha, yeah 🤣🤣🤣

[@arhammaruhom979]

HAHAHAHA SAME BRO I LAUGHED MY ASS OUT

[@derp3305]

Bruno: *"Who is this guy?"* Everyone who plays Dota: *"He's Carl."* 🙃

[@BrunoDGames]

He’s bobo*

[@zeroalexius229]

So I just recently discovered your channel and now I'm really hooked up by your dota 2 contents, keep it up bro!

[@urdaddy8174]

I maybe late a couple of months, but your reaction at the end of the video is priceless. Here's a like from dota player.

[@felixdonar1015]

Haha love the reaction you give when you findout you cant see sunstrike.😂

[@yulose9]

Invoker is a great hero in mid, it takes a lot of practice to master all combos and items need for invoker

[@SadFace201]

Another fundamental difference from League is that Dota rarely uses telegraphs for enemy spells. Enemies do not see indicators for an invoker sunstrike, do not know when Spirit Breaker is charging them from across the map, do not know when Gyro's homing rocket is on them, and of course they do not know when they are visible to invisible enemies (eg. Nyx, Bounty Hunter, Riki). In contrast, League tries to warn its players every time something is happening so that it gives them time to react (eg. Rengar exclamation mark, Xerath ult indicators, etc.). The counterplay in dota is to remember that Invoker has Sunstrike and to randomize your movements accordingly. The counterplay in League most of the time is to have faster reaction times. In terms of skillshots, both games require a lot of predicting.

[@BrunoDGames]

But one thing I don’t like at all is a lot of skills in Dota are just target/point and click, a lot less skill shots lol. But I like how in Dota it’s kinda like CS where u just prefire and check certain spots because it’s common they’re there or they could be there.

[@SadFace201]

@@BrunoDGames Yes, and skillshots are what give League its own unique flavor as a Moba. It's why I compare League as a Moba to something like Super Smash Brothers where a lot of the skill expression comes in the 1v1, predicting enemy movements, and overall being able to quickly react and adapt to the opponent's plays. You see everything the opponent is doing and it is up to your own skill to counter it. In comparison, Dota tries to hide things from you and so you're much more reliant on map awareness and overall strategy to counter the enemy. You can't wait to see something because good players in Dota won't let you see what they are planning (eg. ganks from fog are more dangerous than in League; hiding item timings like a fresh BKB, a Linken's Sphere, a shadowblade, or an orchid are far more common in Dota than in League). In dota, planning ahead of time is far more important because not every hero has a way to deal with a point click stun aside from not being out of position in the first place. With that said, dota has a number of ways to deal with point click abilities (eg. manta, BKB, Euls) and is what makes itemization far more diverse in Dota than in League.

[@13YoJest13]

@@BrunoDGames Yeah because of how movement work's in dota and that fact that it has way more items that you can use to counter play you need knowledge and good timing to dodge things even though it's point and click. Sniper ult you can dodge with blink dagger or any blink/swap animation. It's all about timing however, if you blink too early the bullet keeps tracking you, you literally have to blink the same way that fighters in fighting games perfect block by doing in right before they get hit. Also pretty much 99% of Dota skills do not have any indicator of where it is casted, you can also see when it was casted by watching the hero cast it. This is why it looks like people run into things that you think they see. League has like 70% of it's skills shown in a precasted area before the ability actually happens so people know exactly where it is going to be. The other 30% is true skills shot's that have no indicator like morgana bind which dota also has tons of as well. A big skill gap is point click moves that you can cast on the ground like a skill shot so you can use them on enemies you can't see which is something that tons of low elo players never do.

[@CLOUD-kv7ne]

Loved your reaction and sickest part about sun strike is that enemy cant see it

[@Nevermorepicker]

6:11 nope, you only get to see the sunstrike when it's *cataclysm* which is the double sunstrike, enemies can't see a normal sunstrike.

[@abigailkael6671]

love ur content bro, keep it up!

[@B1gboy224]

just like others say. the cataclysm can be seen. the regular sun strike cannot be seen but it has a global sound. so you can hear it anywhere in the map

[@darthvladi]

6:14 No, you cannot see when it is spawning. The visual effects and the sound during the 1.7 seconds effect delay are visible and audible to allies only. When Aghanim's Scepter upgraded, self-casting Sun Strike causes it to send two strikes to every hero. These Sun Strikes are fully visible and audible to the enemy during their delays.

[@Codec264]

In general, a level disadvantage isn't catastrophic - as long as your hero matchup isnt terrible, a hero 2-3 levels behind can still fight effectively. The only real exception is ultimates, and even then, only some of them are a big deal. Most supports are supports in part because they can just kill enemies from a large level disadvantage. My favourite is witch doctor, who can almost always get off maledict and an ultimate and if he isn't interrupted, enemies will die.

[@janeugene3032]

Invoker itself and its teamate are the only guys who can see the animation effects of sunstrike

[@anti-h2894]

Bruno: Aghanim scepter Subtitles: Agony scepter

[@Mirrodin82]

Those plays are beyond sick

[@Gillass]

1:42 you cant see the sunstrike effect on the enemy side that's why they walk into it (only way you can saw that aghanim effect when he sunstrikes everybody at the same time)

[@heltershelter7835]

Wait till u see blind tornado sunstrike deafening blast of miracle

[@LaniakeaArmstrong]

2:47 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA THAT F VOID HAHAHAHAHHA

[@wankywanky]

If it's a single target sunstrike, you don't see it spawning. Just the explosion and your tears.

[@milkbar1407]

You can still see it, but you're just drawn to it😊

[@jedreksongalia1785]

10:23 what they were thinking was that they got the maledict off so they just need to do some damage even if its not enough to kill him because maledict's damage increases depending on how much damage the victim received but invo outplayed them by using hg on them since they didnt think he wouldnt run and he wouldve died if rubick didnt came in

[@markanthonyalveniz8011]

hes stupid bro, hes the type of player who will save money not to die even if he loses

[@itsjdzee]

The thing is from what I know sunstrike is the skill that the enemy can't see and the enemy is also predicting where the sunstrike will be cast upon. But it's just the invoker from the video thinks ahead of their enemy.

[@marckgericoortega2826]

You can't see the skill mark of the enemy in Dota, you can only see the actual animation of the skill if that was already cast but not the mark or skill path ❎. But in cataclysm (multiple sun strike) it was intentionally shown to the enemy the skill mark to have them prepared to have it fair.

[@dubudubudahyunie2490]

6:44 he used scan at the secret shop but it didn't turn red meaning no one passed by there, so the only other possible route for AM is the bottom lane. It's just now predicting where he is in the lane.

[@trytolaughpfftt2282]

-enemy can see the sunstrike from cataclysm sunstrike (double click sunstrike with aghanim) -enemy cant see the single sunstrike (normal sunstrike)

[@TheKike2396]

It's so funny that more than the half of the comments are about " ss cannot be see by the enemies " when in the last part of the video he just realize about it in a very funny way hahah. Dude I play dota and few time league but tyour content is really cool and entertainment , keep it up

[@lakhamtikharkongor5867]

They bought refresher and aghanim thats why the damage is high, and plus refresher refresh the cooldowns of all the spells and items

[@ralphlorenzpapasin534]

They don't do that in league

[@hjalmiris4230]

Late to the party: you can see Invoker himself do Sun Strike, but only he and his allies can see where it's going to hit

[@calironnia6470]

I love it how he just casually said cataclysm is not impressive as if it's easy to execute lol. It's actually way easier to hit enemies with single sun strike than cataclysm because they have no clue where it's gonna land. While for someone who can't use invoker think predicting enemies movements is impressive, it's pretty normal in dota actually not only in invoker because most spells inndota are ground targets so therefore we need to learn and predict the enemies' movements. It comes with experience though

[@klz2286]

Your reaction on the last part was awesome though ngl

[@amircidin]

You will actually understand how they can guess where antimage going. You cannot predict their direction, you can predict their fear. Haha

[@copfer99]

Lol enemies cant see sunstrike.. plus im rather more amaze on how many skills invoker can use than predicting sunstrike, and it needs great coordination with teammate to hit cataclysm on many enemies

[@Mineblox248]

I can combo all the skills of invoker but I panic when I'm alone on fighting

[@reign225]

8:14 how does anyone predict that ! , thats not even a path to walk , its like on a ledge where we cant even stand. Lmao , Nuts !

[@kgth3b3ast40]

The anti-mage tried to blink past the ledge and trees to the high ground away from the fight and vision. The invoker put the sunstrike center on the ledge for the aoe to cover if the anti-mage didn't blink far enough (which in this case he didn't)

[@dragoljubvujovic2325]

Invoker's Sunstrike, AA's Ice Blast, Leshrac's Earth Splitter and Lina's Light Strike Array buildup animations are not visible by enemies, otherwise what's the point of those spells?

[@gibran.zidane]

"how did he even guess that"? 5000+ hours of invoker

[@syauqilvatich6880]

Well.... As far as i know, enemy can't see where the sunstrike casted until it landed on the ground

[@elisacarbajosa1698]

You can't see "Sun Strike" if it's a single target cast. It's only visible if it's globaly casted with aghanim

[@kikokikouwu1472]

great tip buddy the single sun stikes u cant see the multipile ones u can cause it would be to op for the multiple ones if they were invisible

[@user-qv1lm9nw4n]

You cant see where Invoker use his single Sunstrike, but u can see mass Sunstrike.

[@vivaldiadit2949]

When you see sumiya invoker sunstrike you will mind blowing. His sunstrike IQ so high

[@xsael8501]

6:17 enemies cant see sunstrike except catactlysm (the "agha"-multiple sunstrike)

[@hackergiraffe7785]

He doesn't even know what he's talking about. Smh

[@jayromasanta8072]

Chill out guys, he's a LoL player. He doesn't know that the other doesn't see the wind up with sunstrike. He thought sunstrike and cataclysm are both seen by enemies.

[@monzkiii4868]

Most of the invoker plays here are with refreshers so u actually seeing doubled skills all the time its just hard to tell because of the cataclysm.

[@King_Bitcoin]

The Enemy team Doesn't see SINGLE SUNSTRICK BUT in cataclysm they can see it

[@toshiozukum5363]

Enemies cannot see a single target sun strike except for the one in which everyone gets the sun strike

[@ferropaladin]

According to 6:18 In Games, Enemies will not see where are the sunstrikes will hit except cataclysm sunstrikes (they are visible if you have Scepter)

[@rickysebastian6386]

tbh in the history of MOBA, Invoker might be the hardest character to play ever (shuddered in remembering the old invoker with 20+ spells in his kit)

[@TienNguyen-ky4dx]

When was Ịnvoker has 20 spells? I play from DotA 1 Ịnvoker always has 10 skill

[@rickysebastian6386]

@@TienNguyen-ky4dx ah you must be new. When Invoker first came out and last for quite a while, the spells were based on the order of QWE. So if you cast WWE, WEW, and EWW, you will have three different spells

[@TienNguyen-ky4dx]

@@rickysebastian6386 Dude I've been playing Dota since 2008 Invoker never has 20 spells wtf r u talking about?

[@rickysebastian6386]

@@TienNguyen-ky4dx lol 2008? I've been playing dota since 2003 xD Just search on youtube old invoker, you'll find it

[@mataal8770]

Vulture invoker plays are nice u can watch good plays there plus he uses items with abilities also well, so he is pressing extra keys aside from invoking 10 skills

[@banir3736]

ENEMIES can’t see the single sunstrikes. BUT they can see the multiple sunstrikes

[@tripontube365]

Sun strike is not equal to Cataclysm Sun strike : opponent would not see it’s coming Cataclysm (double click sun strike spell) : it is a auto-locked two Sun strikes but the opponent would see it’s coming

[@solvian9284]

remember these the enemy vision cannot see the sunstrike they can only see when the sunstrike is in the moment to blast

[@marclegaspino6626]

The enemy can't see where the sunstrike might hit..

[@arbitration3724]

U cant see a single sunstrike but u can see cataclysm

[@comlit69]

For me, as a dota player, these are all impressive. Invoker skills are hard to execute, they cast to make combos and it's really hard to find an opportunity like this in video. INVOKER HAVE 14 ABILITIES

[@GWT_A]

Cata not even hard to execute, all i see is tide doing the work and invoker getting the credit. i also see lots of miss cast on the combo, ever since there is cata, less people doing the tornado emp meteor def refresh meteor def + icewall sunstrike / emp (well this is only for fancy either, since coldsnap tornado meteor and def already hurt enough)

[@mas_yaris]

I'm pretty sure every invo mains have clairvoyance

[@rhayneanderson2861]

You can't see the sunstrike itself, only the cataclysm

[@aididruslan1582]

epic last reaction

[@kzy5921]

Le you can't see the spawn animation of Sun Strike from Enemies point of view, only the after explosion effect.

[@acerzam1231]

I found it hilarious when he kept saying n wondering why upperleveled midlaner was being ganked by lower levels heroes..But understandable since its never happened in lol..Nice vids btw..enjoy it a lot..

[@randomch1ll320]

Lower level support doesnt mean to kill them but to annoy them, thats how it works.. lol player doesnt understand it cause theyre behind or just they dont have those mechanics? Peace

[@philipjamesjahn3819]

6:10 I burst out of laugh when he said that.. ROFL

[@kultuog]

If you're the enemy you can't see the spawn channel of the sunstrike

[@almarioveloso10]

sunstrike is pure damage. if you have aghs you can use cataclysm meaning each enemy hero will be hit by 2 pure damage sunstrike, so thats 10 sunstrike. if they all got stunned and sticking to each other, yes it does that much of damage, and invoker used refresher so thats 20 sunstrike.

[@wngod5248]

Must watch miracles and Og.Topson ss prediction hahaha

[@jayzenstyle]

Btw you cannot see regular sunstrike. Cataclysm(the many sunstrike variation) is the one that enemy heroes can see.

[@shawnfreak6953]

Sir the single sunstrike you can't see it but the cataclysm you can see it

[@senpaiokway8439]

When ur not Dota player you may thought invokers combo is so simple and only need predictions but to utilize that perfect combo you need to press 15-30 buttons in 5 seconds.

[@rorymercury3977]

Your right dude and i can only manage 4-5 skills max My favorite combo is tornado-emp-the blast thing(forgot the name)-meteor-sunstrike

[@graywizz]

Its more amazing if u see invoker have refresher its crazy dude

[@xCoZz1]

agha build works perfect when you have an AOE stun/cc ( ravage/black hole/chronosphere/ titan's stuns/treants ulti Ecc) when you see just orchid and agha means invoker snowballed that game,cuz whitout bkb or strong babysiting,he's just a creep also in dota2 gankin mid even at lvl1 means a lot for your midder,cuz killing an higher lvl and farmed too,gives multiple benefits like gold/lvls and space for your midder to farm and pusg also for sups,so its irilevant if a sups die mid if ganks, the important thing its the kill on him also dota2 its more than you think, for example even if invoker snowball mid, the enemy carry can still win the game if invoker ingnore him, i had an enemy invoker who was 9-0 at 10 min against my midder,he came for me and died like a fool (i was troll) you lose a game when the ancient fall, before that, its still winnable,it doenst count if invoker was lvl 13, old lifestealer was a strong carry,that why he was near to kill invoker and he was lvl 11

[@ahh.4339]

It's hard to predict when you play invoker you need at least 10 years non stop until you got low prio

[@loristnorton3723]

Ss at max level with standard items deals about 600 true dmg due to spell amp cataclysm deals atleast 1200 true damage use refresher and other damage and you'd get about 2400truedamage + 1k ish magic damage

[@lush_one1614]

u cant see that sunstrike animation if u are the enemy

[@unendingessence4001]

the only reason i dont every play invoker because memorizing the combos of element

[@Sketchbook017]

11:17 the part where ember put his ember is basically the signal his gonna tp back home LMAO, imagine doing something so obvious as that

[@ujang3288]

2:50 that chrono though

[@VfxVictor]

U don’t see until is too late from invokes perspective u have 1sec to see where the sunstrike is going but not the enemy

[@mr.coffeewithaspoon5588]

the allies and invoker can see the sunstrike, the enemies can't, excluding cataclysm

[@Mr_Fr34ky]

1:36 You can't see what's above stair cases or cliffs unless you have a ward there. That's called the hg or high ground advantage in Dota. Ranged heroes have a chance to miss their attacks when they attack something at high ground and they are at a lower ground area. People in high ground also have wider vision and can see a lot better than st low ground.

[@Scared_Cat003]

btw you cant see its coming it's not like other skill the sun strike you cannot see its casting or spawning

[@fukusa11037]

Normal SS cant see my enemy but Cataclysm can

[@l3xtoygaming753]

Theye cant even see the single sun strike . .but the cataclysm is visible to the enemy ..

[@Kyru988]

Sunstrike is invisible unless you have Truesight! Catalyst can be seen though.

[@kairo2563]

You can't see a regular sunstrike

[@adj33]

I think the only the aghanims sunstrike is visible, not the single.

[@cristieprejan8612]

Enemy can't see the damn sunstrike mate

[@sentiwapang8955]

You cannot see the sunstrike as an enemy

[@boygalit8626]

U cannot see sunstrike animation if u are an enemy

[@davidkong9617]

When he changes his resolution to 1080 , somehow my resolution changes fro, 480p to 1080p too

[@Martick05545]

On ember at 11:30 invoker saw him put remnant down next to tower so he knew he was backing to heal

[@iamnateee]

Well, there are some players with map hacks and scripts that allow them to know where an enemy is.

[@bradfin12]

Only invokers team can see the sunstrike unless invoker uses the ahgs version that hits everyone

[@hyperose689]

Enemies cant see single sunstrike bro, but they can see catalysm(10sunstrike)