London's Lost Railways Ep.9 - Palace Gates

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Geoff Marshall

Geoff Marshall

Күн бұрын

It's Episode 9 of London's Lost Railways, and I'm in north London walking from Seven Sisters to Wood Green - the 'Palace Gates' line. If this was an epsiode of Friends, it'd either have to be called "The one with all the bridges", or "The one with all the allotments" ...
Download the London's Lost Railways map here: www.geofftech.co.uk/downloads...
More station info:
Palace Gates - www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/...
Many thanks to illustrations by David Kirwin.

Пікірлер: 351
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
Drinking Game : Take a sip everytime Geoff says "Allotment" in this one.
@johnfry1011
@johnfry1011 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I’ll be able to see by the end...
@bentonroadmodelrailway6103
@bentonroadmodelrailway6103 3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure I'll be drunk or busting for a pee at the end of this lol
@Vanspecial
@Vanspecial 3 жыл бұрын
Might need a third liver for this 😬
@peebee143
@peebee143 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff, at 4:35 where the cyclist rides across there was a pedestrian underpass beneath a girder bridge which was just off the Southern end of Palace Gates platforms. At 4:59 the small building which you point to I remember as being the office of Charringtons Coal Merchants, they had a yard just beyond the Northern end of Palace Gates station which used to have coal hoppers in off the network, capstan shunting and coal drops with conveyors leading up to a means of dropping different grades of coal onto different piles. Also, there was an alley-way alongside the Northern side of Green Lanes (Wood Green High Road) between the alignment and the building with the angled wall (4:11). There was another coal sales office building at this point. The actual Shopping City bridge over the High Road is not in exactly the same location as the old Railway bridge, it is slightly further South-West.
@TXnine7nine
@TXnine7nine 3 жыл бұрын
aaaaand I’m dead
@eftalanquest
@eftalanquest 3 жыл бұрын
this is what i like about "lost" railway lines. you can rip out the rails, you can tear down the buildings but you can never erase the impact they had on their surroundings. i actually find myself quite often on google earth looking for and following railway lines that are gone for decades.
@opkb4e
@opkb4e 3 жыл бұрын
There is a website called know your place. Its mainly for the west of England, and is old maps. You can look where stuff is/was and compare with modern day. Really interesting, and very well done.
@jerribee1
@jerribee1 3 жыл бұрын
If you look at the area northeast of East Ham station you will see a road called Shakespeare Crescent which follows the alignment of the track that ran into a bay platform at East Ham, and where trains from St. Pancras arrived. This connected with the Tottenham and Forest Gate Railway (now the Barking to Gospel Oak line).
@sillypuppy5940
@sillypuppy5940 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, in more rural locations. Crop marks and those suspicious double lines of trees are giveaways; also "Station Road" with no station and bridges over nothing.
@q3b26
@q3b26 3 жыл бұрын
I do the same, where I have to go pretty often with work there old bridges, old abutments, bridges that go over nothing and under nothing, when you get to the top there’s a steady curve of housing where you can tell they sold the land off plot by plot and each house is a different style from a different era... plus a handful of Station Roads in a town that doesn’t even have a station... Also an old Chatham tram depot tucked behind some houses with the houses facing onto a strange random extra bit of road that clearly looks like it was an access/exit route for the trams
@danwiddon3854
@danwiddon3854 3 жыл бұрын
@@sillypuppy5940 Very rural here, with numerous decommissioned routes still evident by earthworks and infrastructure. Speaking to a neighbour earlier she wants them opened as Bridleways, but thinks this unlikely given the number of field boundaries and MOD ownership of the land. I'm campaigning to have them become active travel routes all over Shropshire, but our efforts to respond to the Climate Emergency and be self-sufficient in renewable energy to be zero carbon by 2030 might see the routes opened up for a demand-led public transport system, beside which the active travel routes would run.
@autumnmatthews3179
@autumnmatthews3179 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe one day Geoff will be making videos on London's Lost Allotments
@Buckstom
@Buckstom 3 жыл бұрын
I worked at Bounds Green depot in the early 90s and the platforms at Palace Gates Station were still in place as was the base for the footbridge which was a brick tower. The platforms were still used as sidings and were called "Palace Gates 1&2" They were demolished in the early 2000s due to poor condition.
@Trapper3000
@Trapper3000 3 жыл бұрын
Love the series. The editing, graphics, and pacing make it feel like a BBC documentary.
@paulekstorm-hughes1894
@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын
Nooo, not at all. The average BBC documentary these days does an annoying recap of what we already learned every 2 minutes. This is much better
@zitzong
@zitzong 3 жыл бұрын
It’s better than a BBC documentary in my opinion.
@TheErador
@TheErador 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 haha it's not that bad, the discovery channel is much worse. I hate it when they narrate all the things the person they interviewed just said, I'm like, I know - I was listening...
@paulekstorm-hughes1894
@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheErador yes, that's annoying. The other thing they do is summarise the entire documentary with spoilers in the first 2 minutes of introduction. Then later in the program say something like "you'll never guess what the widget does next".... Yes, I will, I already saw it 30 seconds into the show.
@ceciliadivita1847
@ceciliadivita1847 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff, we live on Cornwall road and we have been to the allotments under the bridge at Avenue Road. We walk on Avenue road everyday to pick up my brother Oscar from nursery. We often walk through Brunel walk too and we have noticed the railway alignment before. Thank you so much for coming to our bit of London, it’s very exciting to watch. Oliver, age 5.
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
hello there! yes .. and the electricity substation building too which was fun to see. thank you for watching!
@Sourcemaster1
@Sourcemaster1 Жыл бұрын
5 Yr old wrote this! Tell me I'm not reading this incorrectly Geoff
@dazzlingdaz187
@dazzlingdaz187 3 жыл бұрын
"The space is being used by someone for something". Methinks you don't want to know
@bianchikat
@bianchikat 3 жыл бұрын
scene for a Scandi Noir serial killer..
@Boric78
@Boric78 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff is proof that being an obsessive is not odd, weird or disturbing. Actually its fascinating, so many times he points out something I have passed many times, without knowing about. Who knew allotments in London meant lost railway - Geoff it turns out did.
@themeparkreel
@themeparkreel 3 жыл бұрын
exactly its great! and its fab that geoff shares his passion with us all
@Nivshin53
@Nivshin53 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Dorset Road (1953-69) and the PG Branch is still very much a living memory for me - and I have to say that this is a brilliant film. Just one small thing - the little building featured at the end was actually a small office that Charrington's Coal Depot (who were based there) used and where my Parents used to order their coal supplies before the Clean Air Act of 1962 came into force!
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe this series is coming to an end. I want more episodes!
@michaelleiper
@michaelleiper 3 жыл бұрын
There's others he could do. Victoria Park used to have a station and a line south that could take you in to Fenchurch Street via Burdett Road for example. Admittedly not a lot left north of Bow. And the main line south from Bow to Poplar is now part of the DLR. (But there was a curve south of the current line towards Burdett Road on the line towards Fenchurch Street. Part of that seems to now be Fairfoot road). Or there's the London Necropolis railway. Admittedly most of that line still exists, just the bits to the stations at each end are gone.
@Beechhill
@Beechhill 3 жыл бұрын
Write London Transport and demand they decommission the Circle Line.
@brianfretwell3886
@brianfretwell3886 3 жыл бұрын
@@Beechhill Well it's not really a complete circle now as the trains don't just go round and round it anymore. :-)
@bentonroadmodelrailway6103
@bentonroadmodelrailway6103 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff sees a straight allotment: "yep that was definitely an old railway"
@davidsummer8631
@davidsummer8631 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff is going to start me doing the same thing
@andrewjameson5918
@andrewjameson5918 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think Geoff yearns for an allotment
@kuzatheaviator
@kuzatheaviator 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewjameson5918 yup
@Odin029
@Odin029 3 жыл бұрын
Not much else in London is straight anyway
@bobblue_west
@bobblue_west 3 жыл бұрын
There's an allotment at Kensington (Olympia) Sth parallel to the south bound platform. I thought it must have been an additional track.
@scottlad2768
@scottlad2768 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff’s next video: exploring every allotment in London
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
All The Allotments!
@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460
@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460 3 жыл бұрын
@@geofftech2 HAHA!
@brianfretwell3886
@brianfretwell3886 3 жыл бұрын
A very long thin allotment???
@PlanetoftheDeaf
@PlanetoftheDeaf 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff walks along an allotment - "looking at the alignment here, I think this could be a missing branch line"........"Oi what are you doing here, bugger off! You're trampling on my potatoes!"
@bertiebinges200
@bertiebinges200 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff. My Grandfather worked at Palace Gates so he was allocated one of the railwaymen cottages in Dorset Road back in the day. He died the same year passenger traffic stopped and I was born. Sadly all I ever saw of that line being used when I visited my Grandmother in the late 60s / early 70s was as a siding.
@vinnycochrane5139
@vinnycochrane5139 3 жыл бұрын
I must say - your most charming video yet. I’m fascinated by how we walk through hidden heritage every day. There’s something haunting and beautiful about old railway buildings whose past is lost to us. The gorgeous thing is that these ghostly remnants are not the same as being spooked by a haunted manor; there was so much transit and activity, we can only guess at the lives that passed through.
@witzendoz
@witzendoz 3 жыл бұрын
In the late 1960’s as a child living in England, I used to play in the disused Palace Gates station, even though the line was unused there sometimes was a goods train or loco parked in the station. I also walked the length of the line to Seven Sisters. Great memories.
@MrDavil43
@MrDavil43 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a branch train waiting at Seven Sisters when my mum took the very young me to visit grandparents by train from Bush Hill Park to Stamford Hill...all N7 tank locos and Quint-Art sets of coaches on that line, but I seem to recall the branch train was shorter. Also, when taken shopping at Wood Green I would want to just stop and stare at the bridge with a Noel Park sign on it hoping for a train to puff over it, but never saw one. I don't recognise the place now and haven't been there since the 60's!
@famousbear3171
@famousbear3171 3 жыл бұрын
For the time and effort you put in you deserve more than 200k subscribers. And yes 200k is alot but Goeff deserves more for th effort he is putting in.
@laurabrowne5792
@laurabrowne5792 3 жыл бұрын
I use to watch this when I was about 7. Still love these vids
@tommcgrath2496
@tommcgrath2496 3 жыл бұрын
Drove over those bridges dozens of times over the years but never knew what was underneath them, thanks Geoff.
@tomh753
@tomh753 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these videos. Short and sweet. Your enthusiasm, research and knowledge is wonderful. Lovely editing. A very enjoyable way to spend 6 minutes of my time. Cheers, Geoff!
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
thank you Tom, you are very kind .. and i appreciate the kind comment as i've put so much hard work into them!
@tomh753
@tomh753 3 жыл бұрын
@@geofftech2 You’re very welcome
@alanlaifer1593
@alanlaifer1593 3 жыл бұрын
What a great way to learn about London's history. It makes up for not being able to travel there during the pandemic. Thank you for the series, Geoff!
@TransportofPerth
@TransportofPerth 3 жыл бұрын
But you are allowed to? How is he making the videos? You can go and see it for yourself.
@kanedaku
@kanedaku 3 жыл бұрын
@@TransportofPerth We can travel now, but during our lockdown you could only travel for business purposes if you were doing travel like this. KZbinrs got away with claiming their travel was for work.
@alanlaifer1593
@alanlaifer1593 3 жыл бұрын
@@TransportofPerth Yes, I assume you can if you're traveling from within, but I do not happen to live anywhere near the UK.
@witzendoz
@witzendoz 3 жыл бұрын
Talking about finding other lost railways, there was a short line that ran from Angel Rd, now Meridian Water, to Edmonton, there was another station alongside Edmonton station call Lower Edmonton. I remember this line being there as a youngster, cheers
@kenlane6591
@kenlane6591 3 жыл бұрын
Where the plague is there used to be an iron footbridge over the tracks. The Westbury Avenue bridge has in fact been lowered.
@poluki
@poluki 3 жыл бұрын
love the effort of setting up the camera, walking a few metres, walking back, picking up the camera, setting it down again, and acting like it was just one continuous shot!
@queeninprogress1449
@queeninprogress1449 3 жыл бұрын
This series could be called The one that kept us sane in lockdown. I love Friends so appreciated that reference in your description Geoff! 👌
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
I could quote Friend for hours too! He heh. 🤪
@theblacktrainboy373
@theblacktrainboy373 3 жыл бұрын
1:56 THERE IT IS ITS BEEN 8 YEARS I used to live there Ida road from 2009 to 2012 and I was about 5-8 years old and i used to play outside all the time on the estate and I always felt like there was a train station under the bridge. One time I saw a little girl my age walking with her grandfather on where the old tracks would and I watched them as I was blocked by the gatesI KNEW IT there was a train station there I cannot thank you so much for uploading this ❤ This is one of my life mysteries this has made my year I might visit there again 8 years later a 16 year old 🥲🥲
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely comment! do it! Go back for a visit! 🤩
@peebee143
@peebee143 3 жыл бұрын
Wood Green, my old home town. Used to play on the Palace Gates branch, at Noel Park then along the old formation to Palace Gates. We used to get into the Charringtons Coal Yard at the far end of Palace Gates, and into the old Bounds Green Depot building. Found a coach from the Royal train in there! I remember the gas lamps being illumintated at Palace Gates, and saw one of the track-lifting trains on the bridge over Green Lanes in Wood Green.
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 3 жыл бұрын
2:32 Serial Killer Lair or MI5 Information Extraction Centre. My mind went straight to that lol
@ruthbrierley1798
@ruthbrierley1798 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a place where gangsters take someone to execute them :-0
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 3 жыл бұрын
@@ruthbrierley1798 Exactly.
@chriszanf
@chriszanf 3 жыл бұрын
@@ruthbrierley1798 Nah... thats Kennys illegal all night drinker!
@lukestevens8735
@lukestevens8735 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought was it looked as if it was where Bond was tortured in Casino Royal...
@trickygoose2
@trickygoose2 3 жыл бұрын
Crystal meth factory.
@timsully8958
@timsully8958 3 жыл бұрын
My dad lived in a flat between Finsbury Park and Hornsby, just round the corner from this line, so it was great to see it crop up here! There was a lot more still in situ in the 1970s though obviously Wood green had already been trashed by then. We went over that bridge on Westbury Lane countless times and it was whilst on a 144 bus that my dad explained why there was a bridge over nothing, hence we ended up trying to follow it! We did a similar thing with the line up to Alexandra Palace from Finsbury Park 😎 Excellent video again Geoff, and thanks for stirring up memories of my adventures with my dad 🍻👍🍀
@RS-pb2se
@RS-pb2se 3 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing that there’s so many remnants of an line that closed 57 years ago. I went along Westbury Avenue earlier this year and it felt like the railway line was still there Funny how Crossrail 2 is proposed to pretty much duplicate it. Maybe it was a mistake closing it in comparison to the other lines in this series
@danrkelly
@danrkelly 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing timing, Geoff just started a new community engagement project in that area and you can't have too much local knowledge when you're chatting to the locals!
@stephencopeland238
@stephencopeland238 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely cracking good mini-documentaries - so very interesting and so very much appreciated of your efforts. Thoroughly enjoyed those I have seen
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. very kind Stephen!
@Brissaveli
@Brissaveli 3 жыл бұрын
Wanted someone for years to do a video on this forgotten line in my area, great job Geoff 🙌
@ericlackford6718
@ericlackford6718 3 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear that you are doing Crystal Palace high level. I went all the way through the abandoned tunnel in about 1964/65 .......scary !
@HenrysAdventures
@HenrysAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see some rails relayed at 03:11.
@mariannebergeron7741
@mariannebergeron7741 2 ай бұрын
I used to live in wood green and I've never knew that there was an old abandoned railway in places I used to visit every day!
@king_artur
@king_artur 3 жыл бұрын
Palace Gates Line around Bounds Green and Parkland Walk, my local abandoned lines! My old primary school had the huge embankment remnants of the Palace Gates Line leading to the old bridge abutments you went past. Parkland Walk is an amazing and scenic route, perfect for running!
@matthewsmith6197
@matthewsmith6197 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to binge watch the entire series.
@pandarosa6650
@pandarosa6650 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, thanks Geoff! I live very close by & have wanted to know to know more about the evidently former railway line right on my regular routes. My father was a rail enthusiast, & chaired/was secretary for various organisations, so something has rubbed off slightly. I walk past Brunel Walk frequently (last time I went along it, hoping to cut through to Elmar Rd, the end was blocked off.) Each week, I walk down that little slope from that (rather dangerous for traffic) hump on Avenue Rd, or I get the bus, stopping where the West Green station was, & walk down Station Close past Gresley Close. I've peeked in where that old tunnel is when the grassy bit around it isn't too boggy.
@gillchatfield3231
@gillchatfield3231 3 жыл бұрын
This is such a brilliant series Geoff. Shows what you can find out if you keep your eyes open.
@marcomiedema4303
@marcomiedema4303 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Geoff, thank you for this marvelous series!
@JV-the-Tossh
@JV-the-Tossh 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back to "Allotment Watch" featuring Geoff Marshall and a creepy room with three chairs inside.
@cafa9454
@cafa9454 3 жыл бұрын
These are great video Geoff & this one is so special as I live around the corner to Alexandra Palace Station & often see some of these sights on walks. There is another interesting part of this line that was missed out. In Station Rd WG, there is a dip in the road & brick walls built making the pavement much higher than the roadway. This was due to the railway bridge going over the road at this point & the road had to be made lower to get double decker buses under! Just a little addition for those who didn't know! Thanks again!
@andreawoelke
@andreawoelke 3 жыл бұрын
Crossrail 2 is supposed to have a tunneled branch along pretty much the same route. I wonder if it would not be a lot cheaper buying back the school, allotments etc and using the old alignment.
@owjburnham4317
@owjburnham4317 3 жыл бұрын
There are houses along the route too.
@andreawoelke
@andreawoelke 3 жыл бұрын
@@owjburnham4317 Buying, say, 50 £500,000 houses would still be a lot cheaper than tunnelling.
@ChiSbaObePcheH11
@ChiSbaObePcheH11 3 жыл бұрын
I love getting home, opening my laptop to see a new video by you, and then realising "Oh wait, this is around the corn- ah yes i was there five minutes ago"
@Jimyjames73
@Jimyjames73 3 жыл бұрын
What a Lovely Video Geoff @ 3:05 - I like the way how they have put the tracks in the pavement!!! 😎🚂🚂🚂
@Rich.Newell
@Rich.Newell 3 жыл бұрын
I've never really thought of train lines as being interesting, but your knowledge and enthusiasm always makes your videos very enjoyable to watch.
@anomalousoddity
@anomalousoddity 3 жыл бұрын
Bout 15 years ago I lived at number 12 Wolesley Rd and never noticed the abutments! Also, what do you mean by grand finale after Parkland Walk?!?!?! There are soooo many more lost railways in London - my God don't stop here Geoff!
@loz9054
@loz9054 3 жыл бұрын
This series has been so calming and enjoyable
@g4lna
@g4lna 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Geoff, I used to visit my friend who used to be a signalman at Palace Gates signal box, I spent many a happy afternoon pulling levers and sending bell codes to Severn Sisters box. Thanks for jogging my memory, I can still remember the lever numbers and what they were for.
@jeremycassidy3796
@jeremycassidy3796 3 жыл бұрын
That's fascinating Paul. It'd be really great if we're able to walk around the area and share some stories from when the railway was used. And from after it was taken out too.
@bodienutt1
@bodienutt1 3 жыл бұрын
If your on Station Road you can see where the bridge used to cross the road it has a slight dip in the road. With a small wall either side. Man you make great and interesting videos keep up the good work Geoff
@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460
@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460 3 жыл бұрын
I am honored to be on time and this is a railway that I DID NOT know about! The railway now is houses that seem out-of-place. Now Geoff should go to every railway-themed park! We also see couple of Azuma trains.
@SaturnCanuck
@SaturnCanuck 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Geoff. Brings it home for me. Nan and Grandad used to live at St. Loys Road so Seven Sisters Tube station was the one of choice to get to The City, and I know the area well. Nice to see Bruce Grove station as just one street over and near the "off license". Can't wait to see more.
@Martin_Adams184
@Martin_Adams184 3 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done, packed with fascinating contemporary and historical detail, and with an apparently informal commentary that is, in fact, well thought-out and informative. Thank you.
@johnmurray8428
@johnmurray8428 3 жыл бұрын
There was a Downhills park a bike area with roads and road signs that we paid a few pence to use (circa 1958). If i remember rightly, it is a long time ago, the green building was charingtons coal depot.
@my_beer_stories
@my_beer_stories 3 жыл бұрын
Just noticed as I'm following along on Google Maps (everyone does that while watching a Geoff video, no?) that there's also a Station Crescent just south of Park View school which leads to Gresley Close, I'm guessing named after Nigel Gresley?
@karellustyk5414
@karellustyk5414 3 жыл бұрын
Greets from Czech Republic, Geoff!
@massivley
@massivley 3 жыл бұрын
Love watching these videos totally fascinating never get bored with this
@WhiteTiger333
@WhiteTiger333 3 жыл бұрын
At 2:33 - LOL! Someone has a key to those doors! At 3:10 - love it! At 5:10, that little station building needs to be turned into a terribly expensive tiny house - one of a kind and so historic. :D
@lewistrundell
@lewistrundell 3 жыл бұрын
loving this series
@ibs3036
@ibs3036 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy you’ve done my running route!!!
@brianbell4937
@brianbell4937 3 жыл бұрын
I have a flyer somewhere for a shop in Wood Green Shopping City (from about 10 years ago) that lists Noel Park as one of the nearest stations, complete with an exert from a street map that includes the station and branch !!
@LinesideSouthEast
@LinesideSouthEast 3 жыл бұрын
Alexandra Palace station on the ECML was originally named Wood Green when it opened in 1859. It was then renamed Wood Green (Alexandra Palace) before reverting back to Wood Green in 1971. It was then renamed again in 1982 as Alexandra Palace.
@Nivshin53
@Nivshin53 3 жыл бұрын
Correction - was Wood Green (Alexandra Park) not Palace, which originally had it's own Station in the Palace grounds before closure in 1954. Station building still exists and now used as a Community Centre.
@britannia55
@britannia55 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Jeff, I’m a railway kid, my father, Grandfather and Great Grandfather all worked for the railway in Devon, My GGGrandfather was a station master at East Budleigh station, it’s a private house now with its platform and Station canopy still in tact...
@DanielHallLondon
@DanielHallLondon 3 жыл бұрын
I love this! I just saw those bridges a few weeks back when walking my mum to get her jab, and I bored her senseless going on about "I smell an old railway line here". This post could not have been timed better! Thank you. :-)
@eddiewillers1
@eddiewillers1 Жыл бұрын
The station buildings for West Green survived, as a taxi office (among other things) into the 1990's. Also, Geoff forgot the dip in Station Road, at the junction of Cumberland Road, where the bridge carried the line onto the embankment behind the Cumberland Road & Wolseley Road housing and across the Park Avenue bridge you had mentioned.
@simonabunker
@simonabunker 3 жыл бұрын
We used to live a bit further up from Palace Gates on land that used to be railway at Eastern Road. Because it was infill the council had a completely different post code for it than the post office. Also there is (not sure if it's still there?) a great pub at the bottom of the hill to Alexandra Palace called The Gate.
@cafa9454
@cafa9454 3 жыл бұрын
The Gate is still there & still a nice pub! 👍
@Colinf125
@Colinf125 3 жыл бұрын
Where the line used to go over the main road by the Wood Green shopping centre, there is a dip in the road where the bridge used to go over. Similarly on the next road it crosses behind the shopping centre.
@solsticepilgrim
@solsticepilgrim 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the series
@robinlebrun
@robinlebrun 3 жыл бұрын
2:33 It seems you found some secret torture facilities.This series is definitely full of surprises!
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 3 жыл бұрын
In Bounds Green Depot, the couple of short sidings seen are known as the Palace Gates sidings, in my days as a loco driver i have reterned ECS trains to the depot and was told to put the Res Class 47 loco 'round on the Palace Gates lines'.......so the name still lives on in railway use! The line's main service, certainly in later days, was to North Woolwich with N7 steam locos. From Seven Sisters they used the curve that still remains to reach South Tottenham (although i believe that station was only passed through & not served due to the track layout re the cross overs), then the line towards Tottenham South Junction, along past Coppermill Junction, Lea Bridge, Stn, past Tempole Mills yard and onwards to Stratford Low Level and from there North Woolwich. There are quite a few lost lines around docklands that you might consider for future uploads......
@lfewell2161
@lfewell2161 3 жыл бұрын
Up until around 1980 and before being partly taken over by the North London line, trains ran between North Woolwich, through Stratford low level and Lea Bridge, not sure where they went from there but may of been Tottenham Hale.
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 3 жыл бұрын
@@lfewell2161 Yes, in the peaks the North Woolwich-Stratford Low Level service had a few trains run through to Tottenham Hale, which lasted until around 1984 if i remember correctly. The Low Level service was the remains of the Palace Gates service....it was never very busy, i remember riding the 2 car Cravens DMU's in the late 1970s. It started to take off though when the service was extended to Camden Road in 1979, along with platforms provided at west Ham, and over time new stations at Hackney Wick, Homerton & Hackney Central.
@lfewell2161
@lfewell2161 3 жыл бұрын
Although the northern section of this line has been lost, the section from Tottenham Hale to North Woolwich has changed dramatically, trains from Tottenham Hale and beyond run through Lea bridge and Stratford, albeit high level, the DLR uses the low level platforms and runs on the section to just south of canning town, a little beyond there cross rail run's, or will run almost to North Woolwich, can't be many stretches of line that have seen such a transformation.
@2H80vids
@2H80vids 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of things suggest former railway sites Geoff but I never noticed the "allotments" connection before - interresting stuff, and obvious, now that you've mentioned it. There aren't too many things you can build that are "railway shaped".😁
@brianartillery
@brianartillery 3 жыл бұрын
Good series, Geoff. I'm liking these. 👍
@bwabwe1
@bwabwe1 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Geoff, keep those videos coming, I really enjoy your content 👍
@AidanMmusic96
@AidanMmusic96 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff walking very near to where I used to live in West Green! Never thought about Avenue Road's significance.
@guillaumemaurice3503
@guillaumemaurice3503 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. Thank you for sharing it.
@roo.stewart
@roo.stewart 3 жыл бұрын
My mate and I went for a cycle ride yesterday evening and encountered the mural and ‘old train tracks’ so we did some more exploring and took some photos thinking Geoff might like to see them and be inspired to do an episode on this. Then I saw this had been uploaded! 😀
@terranceparsons5185
@terranceparsons5185 Жыл бұрын
Allotments, car parks and Sainsburys! That's what railways are now!
@alangiles2763
@alangiles2763 Жыл бұрын
I suspect that little hut like building at 5'15" is a former coal merchants order office. Most stations had them - these days they tend to be minicab offices, though one at my local station was, after Cades Coals, an estate agents and now a barbers.
@panayiotisconstantinides3027
@panayiotisconstantinides3027 2 жыл бұрын
In its later years, most services ran to North Woolwich rather than Liverpool Street. Weekday services (including Saturdays) were steam operated and the timetables reflected the working patterns of those who worked in the docks and lived in these parts of North London. On Sundays, DMUs were used instead and the service pattern was more even (hourly I think). There was a video showing parts of the route in the late 1950s or early 1960s on KZbin. If it is not still there, I have downloaded it so I can share a link if anybody wants it.
@AchyutChaudhary
@AchyutChaudhary 3 жыл бұрын
Best one so far! Will you be doing Bow to Victoria Park & Croxley Green (as shown on the Lost Railways map) alongside Crystal Palace & Parkland Walk as well?
@MrLargePig
@MrLargePig 3 жыл бұрын
A very pleasant little series, Geoff! Urban Whitewicks territory.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 3 жыл бұрын
2:18 Brunel did indeed not have any local relevance, but his fellow early railway engineer Archibald Sturrock did: From 1850 to 1866 he was chief engineer at the adjacent Great Northern line, now known as the ECML.
@bluemantom77
@bluemantom77 3 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying this content and I'm over here in the United States you having some interesting history over there too of olds forgotten railways
@UnderwurldChris
@UnderwurldChris 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series Geoff. The episodes are wonderful and so well made. When I can, I'm going to walk each and every one of these long lost routes. Keep up the great work!
@guymorgan4029
@guymorgan4029 3 жыл бұрын
Great little series of videos
@maplady572
@maplady572 3 жыл бұрын
Loved it Geoff. When you get to the black door which enters the space which "someone is using for something", the sneak peek put me in mind of gritty dramas where someone is abducted, bundled into a car boot, then taken to a dark room under a railway arch where they are usually tied to a chair and slapped around a bit whilst they a) wait for someone to pay a ransom, b) wait for the captive to tell them where the money/jewels are, or c) who grassed up 'Arry for the bank job. I think I need to get out more. 😉
@MrGreatplum
@MrGreatplum 3 жыл бұрын
Another superb video!
@Nyxtorious
@Nyxtorious 3 жыл бұрын
Love this series!
@llwyde1104
@llwyde1104 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful Geoff...best bit tho is the green space where the track was after the final bridge...I suspect that final small building was a kiosk for newspapers and confectionary.
@sarafan3
@sarafan3 3 жыл бұрын
This was a lovely video. Confirmed a lot of bridges over nothing I've walked past actually went over railways previously! Thanks so much for making this!
@Cowman9791
@Cowman9791 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff, could you PLEASE make a video on the croxley green line as well, that was the one video I was looking forward to seeing. PS I love your videos
@Cortinaman63
@Cortinaman63 10 ай бұрын
Wood Green Station was still there in 1970, as was the railway bridge over the road,, it was not demolished in the 1960's, it had a small off road pull in at the front, and the old station was used as a shop selling lighting and china ornaments, and remained until the new Wood Green Shopping City was built, the station building and railway bridge were basically where Argos store and the new Library parts were built, so not quite next to the building you show with the side wall off set, as that used to have a small single lane road next to it, but pretty close to it, lived in the area from 1970 so remember it well, before, during and after the work to build the shopping City.
@christopherbicknell8849
@christopherbicknell8849 3 жыл бұрын
Love seeing the signs of the old railway. Not sure which I like more, seeing loads of reminders or very little
@KaiCalimatinus
@KaiCalimatinus 3 жыл бұрын
I love these, its sad to see the vestiges go and be built over but its so interesting to trace the architectural evolution of a city like an organism growing over itself over time and using the space and some old structures as part of the new
@peterbarlow7781
@peterbarlow7781 3 жыл бұрын
I find it really interesting that all of these lost railways had good yards attached. There must have been so many goods yards all over London. So much was carried via rail back in the day.
@kevelliott
@kevelliott 3 жыл бұрын
Time for an 'Every Disused Allotment' series?
@MrPaulFCockburn
@MrPaulFCockburn 3 жыл бұрын
At least in Edinburgh most of the disused (Caledonian) railway lines have been re-developed as cycle/walkways... though I can think of at least one where allotments have shifted from one side of the old rail bed to the other! Another entertaining and informative video from Geoff!
@customcruizers
@customcruizers 2 жыл бұрын
apparently theres an old set of buffers at palace gate in a kids park in one of the back streets as the station was before the goods yard the parks in imperial road next to the work shed
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