Londoniyyah - Part 16 - Marxism/1 | Mohammed Hijab

[@abrarhameem8424]

4:04 Historical materialism 7:55 Bourgeoise vs Proliterian 9:43 Surplus value

[@sammu]

Forward this to Professor Wolff. Brother Hijab, really hope you're doing okay. Not sure if you're still on blood thinners with the pulmonary embolism issue, but you've looked better. May Allah grant you complete shifa, ameen.

[@homtanks7259]

amin, ya Rab

[@asq8203]

dude, why are you sharing apparently personal info online? whether its true or untrue is irrelevant. this is the very essence of gossip and a very bad habit. almost like you want to insult him while pretending to make dua? go learn proper Islamic ahlak and adab.

[@sammu]

@@asq8203 Akhi this is public knowledge that I got from one of brother Hijabs own older videos. I’ll try to find it and post the link. Even a genuine du’a from the heart and well wishes for a brother bothers people and assumptions are made. Ya Allah help us.

[@sammu]

@@smh7192 He himself has mentioned it openly in videos. It’s not some hipaa violation, calm down.

[@abdallaMoa]

@@smh7192 , Br Hijab has already publicised that in one of his lectures of this type when he was telling the reason why he embarked on this project (Londoniyyah) you are currently watching. Thanks.

[@YaBoiHakim]

Misunderstandings of the Marxist term "exploitation", it's not the colloquial term, Marx defined this very specifically. Misunderstanding the difference between price and value. Loose use of the term value, something also very specifically defined by Marx. Confusion concerning monopoly prices (Rolex example), and simple crafts/"simple commodity production". Response to the concept of surplus value with references to the subjective theory of value, something answered a thousand times over by Marxists, including Marx himself. Misunderstanding the definition of Socialism ("government does stuff"). Misunderstanding Communism ("Marx wanted the state to own all the means of production under Communism"). There's a lot more. This is an alright video but there's one too many mistakes that hurt any legitimate criticism. Capitalism is an anti-Islamic system by all accounts, and Marx's analysis of Capitalism is the only viable, objective and accurate break down of the system. His analysis is a powerful tool for us as Muslims to firstly criticize Capitalism, and secondly develop an Islamically-inclined system of economy beyond the farce of "Islamic" banking and finance in i.e. Saudi Arabia and other countries following suit. Hijab loosely admits this in the end, too. Tldr read Capital. You'll learn a lot. The price fixing hadith annoys me because it isn't anti-Marxist. The hadith specifically mentions markets. If markets are eliminated (which is the intention of Marxists), and use-values are produced according to a wider economic plan (which is what Marx actually advocates for), then it isn't price-fixing by any definition. Furthermore, price-fixing happens all the time under Capitalism, so claiming that Islam is a "free market" system (especially as the Islamic world-system predates the concept of "free" markets), is equally erroneous. His discussion of taxation rates, equally, makes no sense on a Marxism episode as Marxism isn't based on taxation, but the reallocation of social surplus (not surplus value, again, the terms are very specific). Equally, no mention of dialectical materialism, the philosophical heart of Marxism that can definitely be criticized from several angles. I look forward to the next episode and hope that deeper answers can be delivered.

[@conjugatemethod]

Hijab is really in over his head with this one and doesn't have a proper handle on the concepts or issues. I'm sure you mean the "mis-application" of the price fixing hadith and the not the hadith per se, that always irks me too. Agred 100% dialectical materialism is incompatible with the Islamic metaphysic.

[@af8828]

Hakim, ily. Out here with 2 likes in the comments section of a video with 3k views, refuting Hijabs reactionary rhetoric. I hope he fixes his problematic views. Also, Deprogram is awesome... I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode!

[@BasedYeeter42]

Didn’t expect to see you here, salam bro

[@YaBoiHakim]

@@BasedYeeter42 Wa alaikum

[@YaBoiHakim]

@@af8828 The series is decent, just this episode is iffy. Definitely room for improvement. Thanks habibi!

[@luqmaanissah1398]

Wallah brother I hope one day to attain even a fraction of the knowledge you have this so groundbreaking this entire series… nothing like this has ever been done subhanallah Jazakallah khair

[@khatijaheunos4616]

Ikutlah dengan cara2 hukum Islam .Kami serahkan kepada Kamu. Terima kaseh.

[@ba8898]

I've only had time to watch the first ten mins or so, but just a quick comment. Marx's theory is materialist but also profoundly dialectical: it's not the vulgar economic determinism that various bourgeois intellectuals have presented it as. When a theory grips the masses, it becomes a material force, as Marx says. Ideas matter. The capitalist class rules not only through its economic but also ideological dominance ('the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force'). Correspondingly, the proletariat wins power once it becomes conscious of its objectives as a class. This is not a spontaneous or predestined process; it calls for a deliberate struggle by the proletariat against the bourgeoisie in the ideological and political realm. But this seems like a thoughtful presentation. Looking forward to watching the rest of it.

[@MsMariamali]

This whole series is like the thing which was missing but you didn’t realise was missing. It’s amazing Masha’Allah keep it up 🙏🏽

[@GodPilledZen]

I've been seeing this more often in Melbourne, Australia now so i needed this, thank you.

[@clintonbaird5465]

“When the fool buys the folex” 🤣 Very honest in depth discussion Mashallah

[@homtanks7259]

38:04 😆

[@asaadhusein5063]

MashaaAllah Jazzaka Allahu Kayran

[@asem_6466]

الحمدلله

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

UUU love this, keep 'em coming. May Allah reward you with that which is best for you and may he make this contribution useful to the ummah. You have no clue how grateful I feel. After ustadh Andalusi courses on these topics, feel like these are perfect to understand these topics even better from and Islamic point of view. It's so important.

[@YA-do8tz]

و عليك السلام و رحمة الله و بركاته

[@nycnow811]

@23:50 Every worker is not a worker but a share holder of that business so if there are 19 workers and 1 "boss" and the company makes 50k in 1 month that 50k being divided by 20 people evenly

[@Directlite664]

What if the company makes a huge loss. Will the workers pay?

[@kingsentertainment786]

@@Directlite664 legit

[@andrewpitts-nordera1841]

I love to see fellow muslims engaging with marx. I have one point, with branding and marketing eccetera the point made in the video assumes that this kind of work isn't labor. But white collar work is still labor. Just my gut reaction.

[@zafarparkar98]

Marx: Value is determined by the amount of labour put into making the commodity Gamer Girls: Hold my bathwater...

[@legend5735]

Hahaha

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

lol

[@af8828]

gamer girls, by streaming, would still be doing labour

[@af8828]

@Alien Wanderer so why dont you sell your bathwater then if its so easy? exactly.

[@zafarparkar98]

@@af8828 this is just a hypothesis, but I have a nagging feeling that a male gamer putting in way more hours streaming would still have his bathwater valued way less...

[@MrIslamdeen]

perfect timing

[@wflip1745]

That what Mike tyson said

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllahu khairan

[@sameenathokan9980]

جزاك الله خيرا

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh

[@harunrosidrosid88199]

Waalaila waalaikum salam saudaraku Hijab. Mantap and mantab

[@asem_6466]

الله اكبر

[@gugelman4593]

Ассалямуалейкум Да воздаст Аллах вам благом!

[@voyager2144]

I have a question. What if that exact same gold bar is given to another manufacturer instead of rolex. And they make the exact same watch. This watch would not be the same value as the rolex one, even if it was the same worker who moved to this other manufacturer. Doesn't this prove that it isn't the labour thats responsible for this "surplus value" Marx speaks of.

[@yes-wo7qn]

بارك الله فيك💙

[@gegeeh.a8328]

جزاك الله خيراً❤️

[@freeman7983]

masha ALLAH

[@scars5019]

How do i attend these classes in person and where are they usually held? Jazzakallah

[@AbuGhruba]

Always thought Zakat is to be given to the poor so how can you spend such money on maintaining a state.

[@yaeesh1]

What does it mean Allah sets the prices? I'm having a hard time understanding it.

[@suzukigsxfa9683]

He explained it. Our Prophet alluded to the invisible hand 1000 years before Adam Smith.

[@ILoveFishMilk]

@@suzukigsxfa9683 it's proof Allah controls prices, therefore Allah supports planned economies.

[@ChristianMuslimTalib]

Should’ve done some basic economics course for them first. Took way too long to get through the idea.

[@asem_6466]

Allah akbar

[@ApologeticsAddict]

✌🏼

[@asadashraf2128]

How about the risk taken by the business owner in financing a project

[@LegacyRayquaza2]

Still exploitation, Marx would argue there's no need for the business man, business would be owned by the state. The state takes the risks

[@dodgysmum8340]

In reality branding is just another input cost, like the metal for the watch. Or the factory - its a cost borne by the owner. Its not really relevant to Marxist thought on surplus value. Because its not surplus.... Its also only relevant to a particular tranche of consumer goods.

[@dodgysmum8340]

I'm enjoying the general tone of this though. Listening to the horror of your students who have never thought about these things before is wild.

[@dodgysmum8340]

was the pension paid to women?

[@etshedyemem]

Very informative video! Maybe it’s an idea to also speak about cultural Marxism. That would be very interesting!

[@kingsugulleh]

Cultural Marxism is a conspiracy theory not a real thing Marxist believe

[@RayOfHope8]

❤️❤️❤️

[@oussamaboulazhar1255]

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[@Brata19]

Pros of surplus value : equality and trickle down effect. Real e.g. cooperative; where every member treated equally and has to chip in equally. Now the problem with this system is that naturally human society works in an asymetrical and hierarchical. Then when you're trying to bring Communism into bigger stage i.e nation state, it'll fail, why? Because people adhere to their own selfish group identity. This is evident in every nation that wealth & power concentrated to a particular 'elite group'. So the word commune in itself can only work in a tribal state, where there's not much differences between members, and people willing to cooperate as equal cohesion.

[@Directlite664]

Mark overlooked the main ingredient of life. Motivation. Why should anyone start a business, or go through hell to make it a success, if they can't make a profit?

[@ipheclekennedy]

profit isnt the only form of motivation

[@peaceful_warrior7627]

@@ipheclekennedy I am not disagreeing with you but what else is there? Inform me please.

[@gohanblanco5641]

@@peaceful_warrior7627 It's just trying to either expand your brand, fulfilling the social ends or etc other reasons. Profits technically doesn't even exist anymore even if it is institutionally the case. Marx was right when he said that stagnation of profit would cause the end of the system. Which we did indeed witness in the Great Depression of 1929, Lenin was even right when he said "Imperialism was the highest stage of capitalism" after WW1 we got to see the end of Capitalism. Now companies don't even run because of profit. Just look up the profit rates since 1929, it's always fluctuating, stagnating or declining but it doesn't cause the condition that caused the Great Depression. So we are not even living under a system where profits are the ends. And production and development is higher than ever before.

[@G.Bfit.93]

Fame/notoriety/status, making the world a better place, helping people, being a better person (self improvement ), sense of purpose in life, etc​@@peaceful_warrior7627

[@G.Bfit.93]

​​@@peaceful_warrior7627the bottom 99.9 percent owning no means of production have no profit yet they work and are motivated to varrying degrees. Explain why people don't work at all if profit is necessary? That's a good question to ask yourself and others saying we need capitalism.

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh