Make DRIFT TIRES last LONGER! I learned something new.

[@dallasdrift]

Good vid! For those running track-only cars, it’s worth mentioning how much heat cycling on the street can help. I daily my car for a few days after mounting new tires, try and get 1-200 miles on them. It’s the difference between a set lasting one event vs. 3+ with no delam or chunking. Once they’re broken in, its like theyre invincible.

[@ethanschocke333]

I can get behind this, i used to "street" drift a bit and worn in tires on the street last forever.

[@LoneStarDrift]

yeah it really hardens them up or something, I have found the same thing with certain tires. The first heat cycle they are pretty delicate on some tires.

[@NickTaylorRickPowers]

I used to street drift I still do but I used to as well

[@ethanschocke333]

@@NickTaylorRickPowers street drift is a loose term for me just mean hooning around here and there.

[@faenarae_]

@@LoneStarDrift It strengthens the bonds between the rubber molecules to make them more resistant to wear.

[@dan1906]

The videos have been dropping lately. I hope this continues. Tires are SO good now, it's amazing. I'm fascinated by all the tire info. I was big-time into track days on sport bikes some years ago and tires were a huge topic among the riders. Heat cycling a street tire would "set" the tire to a particular behavior, which would stay fairly consistent throughout the life of the tire (to a point). Race tires would heat-cycle out after too many runs, making them bad for the street. That, and they were sketchy, even scary when cold. Generally, street tires had more *silica, making them more stable at lower temperatures, at the cost of a lower maximum temperature. For practical purposes, race tires had higher minimum and maximum operating temperatures. *higher silica is a gross oversimplification.

[@michaelr5545]

Curious as to why more people dont run tire sprayers. They can be bought very cheaply & installed simply while haveing a solid benefit in tire longevity. Id love to hear your 2 cents on this. Also, tracks like PARC have a small water pit with like 2" deep water to drive through before getting in line for another lap. Very helpful for tire wear. As always, thank you for the information & content you provide Aaron

[@TheOtherPlayer]

Thought the same thing

[@rosshettel]

PARC is no more, but spirit peaks recently added a water pit this summer

[@jarrydbowater1790]

I’m also surprised tyre sprayers aren’t more common. Especially at a grassroots level where usually the only thing stopping us from driving every weekend is simply money. Although after hearing Aaron talk about the core temp spiking back up after driving through the water pit, I wonder how effective they really are

[@johnnymac1976]

Recently, some F1 teams accused each other of using water INSIDE of the tire for a cooling effect. Maybe look into and experiment with this? The idea is that the water would provide a larger heat sink, then, via phase change, would transfer it to the wheel, providing more surface area for cooling and bringing it back into a liquid state. The amount of water needed for this scenario would probably require some detailed experimentation.

[@ProjGR]

Absolutely love that you're explaining that more expensive tires that dont delaminate are cheaper than running used all seasons. It's not common for people to realize that at the grassroots level. I'd like to make a video similar to this in the future, going into detail about track tires too.

[@randomhero1797]

i strongly suggest you get a garden hose and stop everytime you pull off track and soak your tires down. it really does help extend the life of the tire greatly. and before a track day try and do a burnout on the tires you are going to use, ( this only counts if you’re street driving and only bringing a total of 6 tires including the ones in back ). heat cycling the tires once hardens them and will also make them last longer. my experience on this comes from driving a 2004 350z and mainly only running 245 ironman’s and 245 westlake SA07’s. later in my ownership i moved to 255/35/18 valinos 08D which were the matsuri tires and i did over 100 laps on 1 pair because they lasted so long from helping cool them down. it really does work if you don’t cook them to death. lots of valuable information here thank you

[@em2attic]

Ive always wondered wth does everybody consider a "lap" because most the time people only drift 1/4 or 1/2 of the track depending on the track. But if you go to some place like my home track(Apple Valley speedway) youre usually doing the entire track from start to finish(unless youre one of those guys that only does the sweeper entry and the next 3 turns then shuts it down and calls that a lap) and theres no way in hell youre gonna get 20-30 full laps out of a set of tires. Love the Fontana shirt btw Aaron makes me feel at home 😂

[@kaizousha5531]

Kenda "non-grippy tire" 🗣️🗣️🗣️ talk to em Aaron

[@BrewedMotorsports]

Great topic and huge for anyone just looking for budget friendly seat time! ❤

[@S4Meow]

I have yet to go to a drift event where I can do a cool down lap quickly after a hot lap. In fact the last two I went to there was no opportunity to do a cool down lap, you had to go off track where I drove around the pits to cool my car and tires off. The one track where I could do a cool down lap it would be 2-3 min of waiting in line before being able to do a cool down lap.

[@realweston]

Very helpful to a Novice like myself 🙏

[@sn95roots21]

Mineral Wells KILLLED tires. That pad was so abrasive but you had lots of fun. Lots of conditions that matter. Good video.

[@Treeman83]

I learn so much from your videos I appreciate what you do. Been on the hunt for the something to start in, between a mustang and 350z. Trying to keep it cheap and simple due to location nearest events are STL 5 hours away. Are the solid axle mustangs that much of a hindrance to learning, should I take the time to find a decent ish Z or just get one of the dozen mustangs available around my area?

[@veritechzero]

Pretty much confirming all the things I've seen on my own. Run the boost to just enough to spin the tire I'm using on the track were at. Tire sprayers are a game changer for sure. I still do those two to three laps, but add in the sprayer you KNOW that you have cooled everything down. I see several people talking about hardening or daily driving the tires a bit to "break them in" I've never once noticed a difference between doing that and just adequately cooling the tires between laps. Being good about cool down, depending on surface I can easily get 60-100 laps on a set of tires. It's getting to the point I'm almost burning through front tires as fast. I wonder if overall tire quality has just gotten significantly better over time as well, even the cheapy walmart tires don't do too bad.

[@LexxD3]

If you are wearing fronts, and getting 100 laps on rears… you are probably plowing more than drifting ;-)

[@LoneStarDrift]

I have noticed the hardening effect of a tire lasting longer after heat cycling it, but they also drop off in grip.... I just make sure to warm them up a tad and let them cool down a tad before really beating on them instantly sending the temps to the moon, but all this is a feeling, I have no real hard data on it. sometimes you get a really seasoned used tire that has lots of heat cycles from years of street use and they just flake apart first time they get real heat into them lol. I think the heat cycling stuff with street tires might work way better on low hp cars

[@SylasG]

I found my tires last a lot longer when I did a drift lap on each pair of tires I bring to the track. So 1 lap, change to next pair, 1 lap and repeat. Once every pair has a lap then proceed as normal. Idk anyone that can do a whole drift day at Musselman in Tucson on one pair of tires. I know drift week has been there wonder if you remember. I typically would go through 3x pairs of 265 Kenda at Musselman in one day.

[@esmmotorsportsinc.5467]

Great info!

[@DirectedByTazer]

*looks back at board* @19:30......"Oh God" lmao. Thanks for the info

[@TurboV8boi]

Thanks for the info. I'm getting ready for my next drift event. Wondering if my DE will even spin 265's lol

[@battlestatusvideo8207]

This is awesome 🤙

[@Stereomoo]

One thing I'd love to know, and now that there are drift-specific tire brands it might be answerable, is if it's viable to reduce the carbon black content since the tire life is short anyway. The original reason I heard it got added was for UV protection, let the tire endure the sun longer, but for a tire with an expected life of

[@TurbineResearch]

Heat management 101

[@otrivinity]

Todd took an interesting turn after Breaking Bad

[@TommyHarrington4]

love these videos

[@ArchOfficial]

What's gonna kill your tire is the carcass temperature, where the metal wires and everything is, heating up and cooling down, or heating up to an extremely high temp (450c+). So once the surfaces go down, you will still need to allow a lot more time for the carcass to go back down. If the cores (inner air) are at asymptote, it might be hard to get temps down in a reasonable time. Rather than minutes or tens of minutes, think more like hours.

[@TheCollinL]

Aaron are alot of your tracks you drive concrete?? Or like a proper race track??

[@kevinbilalcrow]

while we are close to the subject, what's some top tips for reducing FRONT tire wear as far as alignment and driving goes?

[@BOOT]

So many factors that people don't realize! Big Power and Big tires cause Bigger is Better LOL

[@zxcvbnmjwsndj]

It would be interesting to see the results using nitrogen. Maybe help keep the temperature lower

[@jamesford3549]

Install a sprayer on the car and a water tank to cool the tyres after runs.

[@aeast88]

Lots of people are having blister/chunking on outside edge of new kenda compound with same setup car on same tracks

[@LoneStarDrift]

Well, that would be a quality issue lol.

[@willis250x]

Alignment and driving style issue

[@codywhitehead]

I'm going to try this. F1 banned teams from putting a small amount of water inside of their tires to keep them cool. For it to be banned it must have some merit to it so next event I'm going to put a tad bit of water inside of the tire to see if that keeps them cooler like they claim

[@RWD44]

What do you think about „hardening” the tires which is a pretty popular practice here in Poland? You go out on a set of tires to get them up to temperature and then let them cool off completely which supposedly makes them last way longer.

[@Stuntlight97]

This works surprisingly well. We do it in Finland too

[@LoneStarDrift]

yeah I have done it before, mostly a long time ago. I think it has more of a factor of not just chemically destroying them when they haven't been broken in yet, but I don't understand why it works or what is going on. currently I just warm the tires up for a couple seconds, leave them alone for about a minute, then go drift. I have no idea if it does anything. I used to warm them up and do a lap or so and then let them sit for an hour but I don't do that anymore. I just make sure they are a tiny bit warmed over before I just destroy them. maybe they just need to be up to operating temperature before you start hitting them with huge abrasion or something, I am super interested on what actually matters and is happening with that.

[@cameronscotty3671]

bro watched an ebisu video 👍

[@humech]

Thank you so much! This makes me want to experiment with high flow cooling fans in each wheel well 🤔

[@sacrificialrubber779]

What about misters to cool the tires down between runs? I’ve seen waterboxes for that🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sacrificialrubber779]

Curious about the wear difference between an independent rear vs a solid axle

[@LucBlay]

If the alignement is good, not much difference. Different Weights of cars are a lot more noticeable.

[@LoneStarDrift]

solid axle wears really really evenly, and you just don't have to align it.... because you can't lol. but a bump on one wheel is transferred over to the other side so you have the downside of worse suspension function maybe.... but I must say, I really like driving solid axle cars, I wouldn't shy away from it at all. in some ways, like my circle track car, the rear control arms can be 4 feet long, which gives them really interesting geometry that doesn't change much over their cycling. you can't really do that with IRS cars, the arms are 1/4 the size.

[@PlenumGaming]

What's your opinion on a water sprayer constantly wetting the tire while driving? I've seen it done in japan for PVC drifting, not sure if anyone implements it for regular tires though. Always been curious!

[@LoneStarDrift]

I don't have any experience with that, so I have no idea. I wouldn't want to sacrifice grip and it do something dangerous, but I have no idea if that is a concern.... But if it did it when I wanted it to that would be awesome. Now I am thinking what a constant sprayer would be like?

[@PlenumGaming]

@@LoneStarDrift I believe I saw it in a noriyaro video, but If i remember correctly it may have had a misting tip on the end, so I doubt it would wet the track too much. Defenitely would be interesting to know how it impacted the heat cycle of the core of the tire like you mentioned in the vid. I had never considered the difference in temps between the outer and inner tire (only a sim drifter rn)

[@teamideall]

kr20 blister like crazy lol

[@brianmendiola]

kendas have been kinda bad for some people. blister and delam

[@brianmendiola]

okay makes sense after hearing the last clip