Long term review of Holosun SCS

[@liveverdienever]

Great review and very thorough. Thank you for posting this, I tried looking for more information regarding this optic and it's sparse.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

No problem, glad you enjoyed!

[@ralphblack510]

Great review, very in depth. I dont mind lengthy reviews and videos as long as the review stays informative throughout. Hoping you do another review on the other optic you had mentioned as well.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

It’s up kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6mudplqbZZ6f9Esi=4y9n4UIxJmYvIiO6

[@ralphblack510]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 watched as well, thank you

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

@@ralphblack510 thank you!

[@insuranceprepper]

All these comments about your speaking ability. I'll take an honest review from someone who actually paid for it... and ACTUALLY shoots. This was a great review and that's what I'm here for. If you wanna be entertained, there are plenty of channels out there.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

I appreciate it! I’m just a normal guy that shoots a lot, now the speaking has gotten better the more I’ve done this stuff! I’ve go thick skin so no keyboard warriors hear hurting my feelings 😂😂

[@insuranceprepper]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 Well I appreciate it. Moving from a P365 to a Glock 19 and wanted an optic. This review pretty much made my mind up.

[@RussellMorash-m8w]

I was quite happy to have a review from a true professional someone who has to feel sequire using a part thats not just for competition but the main tool that you carry that all of the parts have to perform because your life and the lives of others is counting on it i only switched to striker fired pistols in the last decade mainly because of a certain amount of apprehension from a pre cocked extremely light pull but i was quite surprised how quickly i took to the striker fired pistol now I'm approaching another big chage at 60 yeaŕs old someone who doesn't have the time or money to be at the range everday for a person who didn't get alot of practive time i did quite well with regular iron sights goodgroupings ar a substantial distance my eye sight witch was always perfect is showing its age and since buying my new pdp pro that doesn't need to be routed on a machine it's all set up for these type of sights and i liked this model because anything that takes parts out of the equation plud keeps the dot lower making the need for cowitness sight plus alow me to çlear my line of sight just over the can so thank you for your very professional assessment of something that I've reàd about but have no hands on experiance with before making the actual purchase.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thank you! One you get the hang of the dot you’ll enjoy it. It can be challenging at first. My biggest word of advice for transition, make sure your grip is ironclad. Your grip will allow you to see the dot. If you don’t see the dot, there is something wrong with your grip. I do suggest take a class with a vetted professional instructor that teaches RedDot. I offer classes but there are several great instructors out there. Good luck in your journey!

[@superdims7432]

Thank you from Paris, FRANCE, for your review !!!! Got mine on my 45 i love it ! God bless you man !

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thank you!

[@eldonG407]

Great feedback, thank you.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Very welcome

[@Mi4mi_joe]

I’ve had mine for almost 2 months now. Love it! The only thing I would like is to have the option to dim. It does have the option to brighten under low light but not dim in any light. I’ve put about 300 rounds through it and the screws haven’t budged (15 inch pound of torque). And I haven’t turned it off since. Love the solar internal battery.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

I agree. This was my biggest issue with the optic was not being able to dim the emitter. It was always bright enough, but there was times that I needed it to be a little less bright. I never turned any of my dots off. I just change the battery once a year if it requires a battery that is one good thing about the SCS no worries about a battery.

[@1967cowboymedic]

This is how I talk when teaching Paramedic & CPR classes. And I have a 99% graduation rate. Why are people bashing him? Great review BTW.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks

[@stewharr]

I have the same dot but non-LEO and in green mounted on a Glock 19 MOS gen 5. My only complaint is that you can't adjust the brightness and it tend to be a little too bright indoors with artificial light. I do have a severe astigmatism. Outdoors and in low light the auto adjust seems to work great. Great video.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

That’s was a similar finding with me too without an astigmatism.

[@Deuce_Dufresne]

I have one on my G45, love it

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

It’s a good one for sure. G45 is my favorite Glock

[@vagueadvice894]

This review literally made me buy the scs as my first optic. I'm a new gun owner and I shrug off all the rds hype, but at this point I just have to see it for myself.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

RDS is the way, I think you'll be happy. invest in a class to help you transition.

[@blkpanther2k5]

You can absolutely adjust the brightness. It's temporary, and will revert back to the auto adjust, but it's possible. Shake awake seems a bit unneeded. Even IF my matter dies, with a minute or so it's back up and running in decent lighting. It naturally co-witnesses with the irons, so if you're training properly, waiting for it to charge isn't a big deal. Great honest review. Glad I found your channel, even if I had to learn about the postal inspectors' TAC team the hard way! Lol

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Yeah with tape or something but I’m meaning for a drill or something pro longed use it’s a bit hard. I tried in a class and it just wasn’t that feasible. I agreed with the shake awake to an extent. My thought would be just to save energy when not in use to maximize the battery life. Glad to have you! The postal inspector has a TAC team?? Interesting

[@blkpanther2k5]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 I meant with the button on the side. However, I do agree that perhaps being able to turn off the auto adjust permanently, with more brightness settings would be nice.

[@Jaylee-956]

I liked it so much on my echelon I just pre ordered the scs carry for my hellcat pro

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

That’s an interesting looking SCS and I bet will knock it out of the park. I don’t have anything to put one on. Might have to look at some investments!!! Lol

[@stephendufresne9239]

The scs is my first optic (green) for my Walther PDP SD. I have yet to take it out and am excited to learn to be proficient with it. Good review.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Outstanding, I think you’ll enjoy it! I highly suggest taking a class with a reputable school or instructor to assist you. It will be Money well spent and rounds well saved!

[@prism223]

On lack of shake awake: I think it will be added in the future along with red dot instead of green dot. From what I understand, Holosun was not able to even fit a red dot because the LED for a red dot is a little too large to fit into the tight space. I would think that the accelerometer required to add shake awake would also take too much space if they can't even fit a red dot instead of a green dot.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Cool! That would be awesome! I don’t have this model anymore But do have the new carry on my p365 legion that encloses and like it! The enclosed emitter is awesome. However, I still be manually being able to dim for zero.

[@Belacose-HOGG]

I've had the SCS screws break off inside two of my Glocks - 19 MOS and 26 MOS. Nice optic, but crap supplied screws.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Agreed however, I think this is being addressed now with newer models. I can not confirm or deny.

[@TGLASS24]

I just put a new one on today but ordered the battlwerx screws due to this issue on past ones. I plan on running the ones that came with the optic to see if the issue was resolved.

[@trainingwolves7]

Awesome review, thank you for your service (from a fellow officer).

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thank you and thank for yours!

[@johnkosheluk1041]

Thank you for your feedback I am going to get 1 for my glock 19 mos my fist carry about the screws I don't want that to happen to me I am going to find out if thay fixed that

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

lots of good replacements options out there.

Actual heavy round count review nice!

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks, I should have some more of these.

[@503BigJohn]

Great Video Thanks

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks!

[@NietzscheanMan]

They just announced a closed emitter version.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

That’s good to know!

[@dasvenska]

Good review, thanks. On guns that are milled for optics and have suppressor sights (M&P 2.0), are the suppressor sights making it hard to pick up a target with the dot due to them being a bit taller?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks! So, the suppressor sights will just be a full cowitness or taller s o it clutter up the optic window, which isn’t ideal. Lower 1/3 is the preferred and some people don’t even run BUIS now days. I don’t have personal experience with full suppressor high sights in this optic. However, I do on a RMR and I didn’t like them on that and this optic sits much lower than a RMR.

[@dasvenska]

Thanks for the reply and info. @@americanpatriotdefense8988

[@SoTwissted]

I would like to see it up against the Vector Optics Frenzy SCRD-36. I got one on eBay for $150.00 I have 5 of them in 2 different models I also have 5 Holosun optics in various models. Both work great.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Haven’t heard of Vector. Good stuff!

[@ronstiles3298]

I have the SCS 320 on my Staccato C2 and the SCS PDP on my PDP F & Full size. Love these except being able to dim. Probably 3000 rounds between them with no issues!!

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Yeah, that’s probably my biggest and really only major complaint is not being able to adjust the brightness. I would like a bigger window. After shooting 507comp most optics looks small now

[@yaronmtb8848]

I have the scs and I love it. I replaced it from the 508t. Nice review 🙏

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thank you, new to the youtube game. 508T is a great optic had one for years! SCS is up there with it.

[@toynazi]

I have one on a CZ P10C that is great. I also have one on a Walther PDP that has issues. The elevation is maxed out and is nowhere near being zeroed. I sent it back to holosun and they replaced it. The new one does the exact same thing. I bought it because of the direct mount. I think I need to figure out a way to shim it or something. I'm not sure at this point.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

That’s interesting, I know several people with them on PDP without issues. What is your zero distance? Have you reached out to Walther to see if the slide is out of spec? Two optics with the same issue would have me looking at the gun.

[@toynazi]

@americanpatriotdefense8988 25 yard zero. Just like the P10C. I'm in the process of talking with Walther. Waiting on a reply from them. The CZ with the SCS is crazy good. But because of the issue on the Walther I'm getting a little aggravated at this point.

[@TRR56]

MSPs course is amazing right?!

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Great class! Going back in November!

[@weaponeer8582]

Question: there’s no replaceable battery on this red dot. Everytime light hits it, it’s charging so why do you need shake awake? Makes no sense. Second question: if you don’t like the window size, why didn’t you just get a red dot with a bigger window?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

1. Just as a redundancy to the no battery issue. 2. It was a T&E for my agency so I don’t have a choice. After it was done I did 👍🏻 3. I liked the SCS so my I got a carry model for my p365 legion. That I will review. So for things are promising. Guess way still no shake awake. I’ll probably still mention it.. it’s a redundancy thing. Why use power when you don’t need too.

[@weaponeer8582]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 thanks for your reply. As far as using energy when you don’t need to, it has a battery, you just don’t have to replace it on an annual basis.And it has 20k life with constant on, every time you open your safe door or put it on another pair of pants it’s charging. Also, I either read it somewhere or watched Sage Dynamics where it was said that that the life of the battery/capacitor is 10 years before you’d have to replace the sight. If that’s true shake awake would be a waste on this dot. Appreciate you, though.

[@nickykabob]

Considered getting the SCS for my M&P. My biggest concern was to your point about brightness in certain conditions. Ive also heard there are issues about the dot star-bursting. Has that been an issue for you?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

You may get that in some conditions. Example the only time I ever noticed it was shooting indoor competition or indoor class. Where over head light was really bright and direct. But in normal use, it wasn’t an issue. When wanting to do a fine tune zero or some stuffer were I wanted the dot dimmer in daylight is when the auto adjust Was annoying. I still run a SCS on my P365 if that helps. I like them all around. Especially since they make them in enclosed emitters now!

[@ZoMcYo]

Thanks for the shill free review sir.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Your welcome !

[@jerestolp02]

Yes it is 20k hours but technically, from holosun it says battery life (hours): unlimited;

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

yes, the solar cell charges every time it hits UV. I am afraid to say unlimited because batteries degrade over time and so do soar cells. I would say eventually one would have to send it in. Now, how long will that be, who knows we still haven't seen the battery life end of 20K hours since release. I wont be the one to find out.

[@nickibateson1466]

Ya the biggest thing is how much did it cost you to have the screw removed the time it takes to call them blah blah blah so ya they should recall all of them and give better screws.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

I can see that, I was lucky as it happened while I was at a very nice facility. So the cost and time was very minimal. Cost was free and time was my lunch. But that’s typically not the case. Idk if it’s happening as often now though, so it could be rectified.

[@lefmk7085]

So this would feel better on a subcompact model, given the small window size? I'm waiting on the CZ P-10 version to release and my S model might be perfect since I didn't want a large profile optic. Thanks for the video!

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

It’s a full size dot, but it sets lower. I really think it comes down to shooters preference. I like large windows, that being said I never had an issues finding the dot with the SCS. P-10 would be a great gun for one.

[@Johnnysokko168]

is the 20k hours how long the battery will go on a charge or is it the life of the battery?

[@deangullberry5148]

Charge

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Charge, however we know battery’s degraded over time. So only time will tell how long the battery will truly last. I think by the time the cells go bad most people with either get a new dot or a new gun. Just my opinion.

[@eddiepereira9628]

What is the other optic's name that has the MOS footprint?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

CHP MOS direct mount. here is the open box I did the day it came in. kzbin.info/www/bejne/paeTo2CFqs9mj7M

[@johnbudzinski3550]

Great review, had similar experience with A SCS VP9 . perfect fit , best auto adjust its really quick. Daylight and good weapon lighting is where it performed best. But most of my range time is 6AM and had too much blooming when lighting was low. For identifying accurate shots beyond 7 yards was not safe. With A light turned off I could not take my shots. I dont know if its the glass or if they just dont calibrate for low light .

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

I think the sensors need some more refinement. Dot brightness is so individual based. So it could be “good enough for everyone” type of mindset.

[@petedetraglia4776]

I have the same issue. In dim light the SCS PDP blooms/star bursts on all 3 reticles. Thought my minor astigmatism was the cause until I got it out in the sun. Then is was crystal clear...

[@LOliver]

I think the 20000 hours is how long it will last from its last charge.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

That’s if it’s fully charged, it charges every time it’s in light supposedly. I do wish there was a way to see the level. I’m thinking in the next few years we are going to see a lot of innovation in RDS technology.

[@LOliver]

​@@americanpatriotdefense8988Been running the SCS on my G19.4 for a year and a half, just picked up a the SCS carry for my P365 I'm hopping it's just as good. Thanks for sharing your experience, we don't get many long term reviews.

[@ColForb-lv9eq]

Good review

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks!

[@mcalixtro82]

I don't think shake awake is needed with this optic. Only reason shake awake exists is to preserve battery life of a battery that has limited life. Since this red dot charges even under artificial light, there's always a chance of it charging. That rated battery life is for a fully charged scs. You would have to have the optic sitting in darkness for about 3 years for it to go dead.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Maybe, I would just rather not chance the internal battery failing. That being said. I have not heard much about them failing so that’s good. I have the SCS carry for the K foot print coming to test. So I’ll do something similar.

[@mrbgpati]

​@@americanpatriotdefense8988 The SCS Carry is the optic I'm debating on getting (vs the EPS Carry). Will be waiting to hear your opinion on it

[@rustyshackleford1877]

My SCS has a dim/bright setting. It's my first pistol optic that came mounted on my HK. I don't intend to carry it, I just wanted a good range toy. Holosun expects a 10 year life and they'll repair it or replace it forever.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Interesting, I’m not seeing this setting on any of their new models. Unless you’re talking about how it auto adjusts.

[@siv4ever1]

My scs mos also has a selectable bright/dim setting.

[@rickm5853]

May I ask what the other optic is?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

C&H Precision MOS below is the link for it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6mudplqbZZ6f9Esi=M_XlPQ0f3uEdMIV-

[@rickm5853]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 thank you

[@joshandmanuela]

I left mine on sitting in a safe for 5 months and it died and would not turn back on. Just got my RMA and it's getting sent back.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Good to know! 5 months is a long time. How long did you use it? How often was it shot and out prior to storage?

[@joshandmanuela]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 Never used and maybe taken out of the safe for a few minutes every couple of weeks. I have another SCS for a VP9 that I got in November that is still working fine. I think I just got a lemon on this SCS MOS.

[@nickibateson1466]

They should recall all of them lol

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[@paulnowalinski5623]

It’s really hard to flow you um um um

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Something I have always snuggled with at times when gathering throughs. I’ll keep working at it though. Thanks for the feedback.

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[@robertsalyers1351]

I finally watch this video

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Thanks for the feedback

[@Thegovernmentisevil]

From a production standpoint, the smacking while talking is really distracting.

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Will work on it. Thanks for the feed back.

[@Thegovernmentisevil]

@@americanpatriotdefense8988 thanks for the content. I hope you don't take that as a dig, I just want to see your channel bigger and want to help if I can.

[@russhayes4882]

Dear God can't you speak ?

[@americanpatriotdefense8988]

Nope