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[@heidiwilks5316]

Picked up my 2020 Soul EV a couple of weeks ago and it feels solid as a brick -- no squeaks or rattles whatsoever. So though I was sad it no longer had the panoramic moonroof, I guess the tradeoff (vault-like solidity) was worth it.

[@gracestallman2379]

Congrats!! I jealous! I bought a used 2016 Soul EV this month, it was inexpensive and a good buy for us. I love it! Can't wait for the 2020 to come to the US next year.

[@sprockkets]

Love the bubbles. Tell us how you all feel!

[@xchopp]

We bought our 2016 e-Golf at end-of-lease because... we love it and they were NOT getting it back. Sure, it's low range -- but we don't drive that far on a daily basis and there's this thing called "a rental" for those three or four longer trips we need to make each year.

[@SW4Life202]

I have this convo here in DC all the time. My 2013 LEAF was hit head-on and totaled, so I just got a 2016 Soul last week. People always ask me about range and I tell them them it meets most of my needs, and they they invent ways where it doesn't. My work commute is 6 milea roundtrip and a few blocks extra for my kid's school. I can get to most places in the DC suburbs just fine and we typical rent a car for the occasional road trip.

[@wpelfeta]

Every single Soul EV on Carvana gets snatched up instantly.

[@fred_e]

the one my local dealership has has been on the lot so long the battery died and the dealer had to figure out how to open the charge port without power.

[@amcdonal86VT]

Check on Vroom, they have a ton of them

[@1717jbs]

Good stuff! Thanks Alex.

[@markrozenberg7959]

That East Coast California was great to get some perspective.

[@milk0427]

Alex, you have no soul... 😊😊🤣🤣

[@ronaldmail00]

Literally.

[@mountainhobo]

He doesn't look ginger.

[@mglmouser]

Definitely so, for going with a lesser-efficiency vehicle technology that is Hydrogen.

[@bird271828]

I like the Soul thoughts :-)) i.e. the bubbles.

[@ferryengr]

We've had similar experience with our '17 Soul EV+. Great car! Only issue was the electric actuator for the parking brake failed and needs to be replaced. Kia picked up the car on a flatbed trailer at our home in Tucson, AZ and took it to a Kia dealer in Phoenix for repair - covering the repair cost plus a rental car under warranty. Otherwise, no issues. We did pay substantially less than you for our lease, about $110/mo with taxes.

[@prabjitprabjit]

Im in Tucson and I’m looking at getting a used Soul EV (since I just do city miles 90% of the year). Why did the service have to happen in phx? Have you had any service done at a Tucson Kia dealership?

[@tedbellWRV]

@@prabjitprabjit At the time we owned the Kia EV, (2017 - 2020) the local Kia dealer in Tucson would not touch an EV. At that time, the Kia dealer in Scottsdale (Mark Kia) was the only Kia dealer in the state of Arizona that would provide service to a Kia EV.

[@prabjitprabjit]

@@tedbellWRV ahh I see. that must've been rough. I'll definitely research local EV support before finding a little used city runabout

[@sandovalren]

Thanks for this review. Based on this and other reviews I bought my Soul Ev 2016. Recently I got an issue with the OBC, so it is not charging in L2 chargers. I am located out of the US and can't apply the warranty. Any recommendations will be welcome! Pura vida

[@bird718]

i can see how the value dropped on that EV due to its low range, good thing you leased it

[@chewie94116]

Glad you least it too. Thank you for the analysis! I like the thought bubbles between you and the car, but don't do it all the time. Just do it for your car. Excellent analysis of why to least the Nexo. I think you are convincing me to get a Nexo too. My driving habits are similar to yours.

[@leffingwells]

Alex, what do you estimate the real residual value was compared to the residual value assumed by the lease 3 years ago?

[@legambaz]

Like this kind of update video.

[@caedom21]

“...random collection of people...” Alex and the little people 😂.

[@mkviz]

Lease up on mine at 44K. Did at 3 year 45k lease Has about a 65 mile avg range

[@tjs114]

Alex, Hyundai offered a Hydrogen powered Tucson prior to the Nexo. I think you mean that the Nexo was the first purpose-built HFC crossover. The Hydrogen Tucson was available starting in 2014.

[@Vassilika1]

2:10 what would you need powered seats for? You put them in position once, and off you go. Or is your body measuring different every other day? I'm happy the seats in my 2017 Kia Soul EV are not powered, less motors, less wiring, less weight, --- and it's faster than the powered ones.... ;-)

[@johnfaulkner6776]

I have a 2018 30kwh Kia Soul EV bought ex lease as a 2 year old and I love it. At 16k miles it has no problems or rattles at all. I previously had a Renault Zoe 22kwh ( i model owned battery) again 2 yes old ex lease 2016 car. The Soul is hugely superior.

[@rizzlerazzleuno4733]

I like the explanation of why a hydrogen car is practical for you. As to not having to drive longer distances in Calif, you are lucky to have a job and support team that makes flying a better alternative to driving, but for many folks due to cost, transport to and from the airport, need to stop at places between airports, need for a vehicle at the destination, etc. flying is not a practical alternative. Even though the mythical road-trip looms large in Hollywood fantasies, studies show that the folks 30 and under rarely drive more than a few hundred miles for fun or vacations, unlike the boomer generation that took lots of long distance car trips. Your experience with the hydrogen car should not be all that different from a similar gasoline car other than the limited location of the hydrogen fueling stations. Enjoyed the landscape in this episode. 🙂

[@hirundine44]

The insurance company, probably wasn't underwriting the R101..?

[@bradleycross5987]

A wise lease. The range must be in the 80s now, yikes that is a urban runabout. Retail value seems around 15K, probably buy it for 13K but why would you?

[@tarassu]

My last two cars have never left California. But YES, I definitely need 400 miles of range and rapid charging hydrogen offers.

[@zoomev3023]

Chevy Bolt ... seems Alex has an ax to grind. Why Alex.

[@jaredshelton4718]

My Cadenza rattles like crazy now, The transmission is going out, and the sunroof seals are failing. 176,000 miles and LOTS of abuse later, I'd say it's been a good car overall, still owe almost $20k on it though :/

[@4N2IN0JA]

You never did the cabin air filter? I bet it looks gross!

[@ktpinnacle]

Does your evil twin run the other company? When do you have the time?

[@epbrown01]

A local dealer has this exact car (same color scheme, year, etc) for sale with an asking price of $10k. The short range EVs depreciate like a mofo.

[@maxanderson8259]

What would it cost to fuel the Nexo if it wasn't covered in the lease?

[@GlobalGaming101]

I believe it's around $80 per tank

[@dansanger5340]

I don't think you would have lost that much purchasing it unless you paid MSRP. I remember that some people were getting unbelievably large discounts on the Soul EV back in the day.

[@bluered3228]

I got my lease for 0 down $280 a month in the same year as this guy. Seems like he got ripped off.

[@ronaldmail00]

He got it at release so those deals were more then likely not available.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

Everyone always WHINES about cars not having power seats.... STOP IT Power seats are not important at all. They are heavier as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with manual seats. Power seats are for the lazy.

[@kenc2257]

Power seats are great for households with multiple drivers, or for drivers who like to make small adjustments in their seating position(s). [like power mirrors--who needs that?!--it's much easier to make small adjustments with micro motors than with mechanical linkages]. Otherwise, you're right--nothing inherently wrong with manual seats...

[@zuti071]

Can i WHINE about highly annoying intro&outro music on this channel?

[@martinmartin5904]

I'm with you , if your not able to manually adjust your seat you're not suitable to drive

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

zuti071 that is totally up to you. LOL!

[@YamadaDesigns]

I understand that it shouldn’t be a big deal, but it is strange when a modern car doesn’t have those features.

[@willyshoo]

I don't get it. The title of the video is "It's gone", "No more", and my local kia said they stopped making the EV in the US in 2017. So are they wrong?

[@chrisw443]

I went free from pumps to go back to pumps. lol

[@adewoleomolambe116]

I have seen so much of those cars I was wondering when it will redesign

[@stevencorrea7982]

2020

[@thekillerwaldo]

lmao "youre dead to me"

[@djkenny1202]

We have electric seats on our 1-5 Forester. My wife and I could care less. Losing the Panoramic Moonroof, though? Yeah. I would take the decreased range of the last Soul to have the SR. Plus, they are like 9 grand and my state gives 2500 back! Equal- $6500.

[@lewtz5575]

What’s up with the dad joke in the beginning 😂😂😂 love the videos you make, Alex

[@EdgarRenje]

If I could afford a Nexo, I would instantly buy it.

[@tarassu]

Yes I want full size spare because I use these 20kg of extra weight x-times annually.

[@tarassu]

Please fill the blank.

[@clashwithneo]

@@tarassu .5

[@tarassu]

@@clashwithneo Now we just need to calculate, how much does it cost to drag 20kg for 50 000km. Incl extra volume it requires (without sacrificing cargo space).

[@clashwithneo]

@@tarassu It depends on the car

[@TheEVGuy85]

Ick, not a fan of anything hydrogen powered. Until is clean and affordable and they figure out how to get it point A to B without having to truck it, I don't see hydrogen doing anything. Awesome vid and I love the soul EV!

[@martinmartin5904]

5:20 Someone at your insurance company should watch you drive... I'm kidding , I like when you keep a good margin between a cyclist .

[@jasonhermosilla9064]

Told my pastor to get a Black Soul before. Its always a good segue to a joke especially around the time he needs to sell it.

[@Peppermint1]

6:05 I think charging ports are poorly located on most EV vehicles. Best location would be on the right side of the car, because that's where the charging poles are when the car is parked on the side of the road near a charging station - so no need to pass those thick cables over the hood or roof of the car. A charging port in front of the car is not bad, but in my city, there are always two parking places at the charging stations on the side of the street: if you were to find a place only in the front parking spot, again you will have those long cables rubbing against your hood in order to reach the charging port kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZomxlmxqpcykptU

[@JamesRussoMillas]

We don't deserve Alex 😭

[@ericshm]

Will you be reviewing 2020 Kia Soul EV soon? Debating between Kia Soul EV and Niro EV

[@jwenting]

I drove both. Decided on the Soul because 1) it's slightly smaller (meaning easier to park) and 2) it's cheaper.

[@gracestallman2379]

@@jwenting Are you in the UK or Canada? Sad we have to wait until year for it here in the US.

[@davidrivard3492]

I don't think that there is a logical reason to get an hydrogen car for the consumer market. Too impractical, too little hydrogen station, too expensive. The only logical reason to buy one would be for big industrial company with big heavy equipment.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

They should ban hydrogen vehicles. They are LITERALLY a bomb just waiting to go off.

[@AmperageY]

DigikidForever that’s all cars but I agree hydrogen shouldn’t be going around like that on consumer cars

[@SeanC773]

DigikidForever You go realize gas vehicles are literally powered by explosions right?

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

@@Digikidthevoiceofreason someone's been drinking the Tesla kool-aid

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

Actually not at all. It is called COMMON SENSE. You should try it sometime....will do you WONDERS!

[@blackbirdpie217]

Hydrogen fuel cell cars produce about the same amount of Co2 as a gasoline car. It occurs when the hydrogen fuel is extracted from the methane they take it from.

[@james2042]

The seats were heated/ventilated but not powered? Dafuq

[@salipander6570]

I can't imagine that Alex went for an inefficient hydrogen car. Some promotion must be going on here...

[@caglioso]

Salipander ErisGeenAnder well he doesn’t have to pay for the Hydrogen since they gave it to him for free for the life of his lease. Plus as an independent business owner he receives tax incentives by leasing a vehicle through his business.

[@carlosmoreira779]

You finally sold your Soul? Was the buyer Mr. Devil? I hope you got a hell of a deal. I couldn't resist.

[@stevencorrea6946]

What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?

[@clarification007]

The second generation of EV Soul will still be sold in Canada and Europe, but not in USA!

[@MrACDude]

Hmm, driving a green house in Phoenix AZ doesn't seem like a good idea. I think I will pass on the panoramic roof.

[@joepah51]

Anyone who bought an EV with a range less than 100 miles must have money to burn.. Definitely the smart move on EV is LEASING.. Depreciation is enormous on these small EVs

[@NickBlethrow]

We bought our 2015 Soul EV used with 15k miles on it when it was about a year old. We unfortunately had to have the main battery pack and battery management system replaced at 40k miles, which was covered under warranty at least. The only issue with that process was that it took almost 2 months for the Kia dealer to receive the replacement parts. Kia was nice enough to offer us a loaner Kia Forte for that period as our car was only getting about 40 miles range on the original battery, but it was a big step down in comfort going from the Soul EV+ to a base model Forte, not to mention having to go to the gas station instead of charging at home.

[@_TrueDesire_]

my Volvo S60 only had two 12V battery changes since 2003, what kind of cheap battery is in that Kia?

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

HFC is a dying technology, at least for passenger cars. In the 10 plus years it has been around (for passenger cars: It's been around in other applications since at least the Apollo missions) it has still not expanded beyond California. That should tell you something right there. It has some pluses for sure, but the negatives - unless you live in California - are just too great to overcome. Tailosive did a rebuke of a Business Insider video where they said that HFC was Tesla's biggest competition and it's worth watching. Unfortunately I just checked and it's been removed by the user (probably got some flack from Business Insider).

[@lsh3rd]

Insurance must be really expensive in CA. That $60/ month less is the entire bill for one of my vehicles! Granted, I'm in the least expensive demographic - 50 year old male.

[@saynotop2w]

Regular insurance like AAA, state farm geico etc are pretty high in Ca. Luckily there are a lot of insurers that beat those big names, I found one that does pay-per-use rate which translates to $40 a month in my case.

[@MarkRVillano]

IMHO, it's far too limited. I don't see much practical use, other than as a second or even third vehicle, used primarily for running errands (and signaling one's Green virtue).

[@Ean.oo7]

Why is there a very tall ladder in the background ? Is another job of yours is saving cats out of trees ?

[@djkenny1202]

400 bucks a month, and you dont get to own it? That seems like a lot of $$. Leases are just BAD.

[@vickithress]

Admittedly, I skipped ahead and may have missed it, but what is your replacement vehicle?

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Vicki Thress the hundai nexo hydrogen car

[@fred_e]

Don't fLease! It's a trap!

[@danielc3321]

I don’t have a soul anymore either. Oh! You’re talking about a car... never mind.

[@lesliefaulkner6533]

test dive the 2020 kia soul electric, thanks

[@xchopp]

Hydrogen? Oh perleeze! This is a really weird development. Why wouldn't you get a Tesla? Or any of a number of other great EVs you can buy in Cali?

[@faeinthebay]

He already said: it's cheaper and works fine in California.

[@excelsciors]

I prefer my gas powered 2015 Soul plus. Yeah gasoline gets expensive. But I don't believe that batteries are the way to go yet. Maybe in 10 years where batteries can get you further like a full fuel tank can. The Soul plus controls very sharp. Even when I drove my car when I rented it. I drove at 100 mph a short while traveling for a 8 hour trip on the freeway. The Soul Plus rental convinced me to buy my Soul Plus. And I don't regret it!

[@BTC909]

"going back to Kia" WHY? SELL IT assuming their was some profit to be made.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Ivan Vojt it is not his car he leased it.

[@BTC909]

@@markfitzpatrick6692 So, you can sell it and pocket the difference from the payoff amount & avoid the 3rd party inspection BS. Be sure to ONLY do this on a weekday.

[@faeinthebay]

He already said, the lease buyout costs more than the profit he would make by selling it.

[@BTC909]

@@faeinthebay You don't "buyout" a lease for the intention of flipping it. You get stuck paying the sales tax on the 'payoff amount', full coverage insurance (unless you pay off the payoff amount), and possibly a registration renewal which eats into your profit. This is why you shop the lease around to dealers, no sales tax, no inspection, you pocket the difference & whoever buys the vehicle next is responsible for the remaining sales tax. I'm sure Alex is aware of all of this, right Alex?

[@daddybdpearson1]

So the Soul EV doesn't need oil changes. I know nothing about EV cars.

[@Woodyjims-shack]

Hey man "you got no soul" yea I know horrible pun 🤕

[@jaredstephenson6468]

Did you say you’ve been married for 18 years?! The math isn’t working out. I assumed you were my age (32)!

[@chocolatewheelchair]

Jared Stephenson he doesn’t look 32 why did you assume that

[@caglioso]

Confused me too since I thought Alex was with a male partner but California didn’t have same-sex marriage 18 years ago.

[@chocolatewheelchair]

Calisto Riviera what

[@faeinthebay]

@@caglioso Wikipedia says same-sex civil unions have been allowed since 2000 so perhaps that.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

You "sold" your Soul ..

[@timsteffy250]

this aint a review for buyers. he said he didnt drive it much only for business and his company. Which he drove it the less. So if you dont have a business this review isnt for you.

[@10tenman10]

Hydrogen seems like a good idea.

[@stevencorrea7982]

Get the Hindenburg out of here with that.

[@faeinthebay]

@@stevencorrea7982 99% of the other cars on the road are driving around with tanks of flammable/explosive fuel and there's rarely an issue with them...

[@shanelen]

soulless

[@10tenman10]

Wow. 90 mile range! Sort of sucks.

[@KieranMullen]

$60 a tank for hydrogen? No thanks

[@joepah51]

It's covered in the lease.. that's pretty good, if you can find a filling station.

[@kylecronin3212]

You’ve been married for 18 years? Based on your appearance, I assumed you were younger than that. Or maybe you just married really really young...

[@LifeISMagix]

In current state where even Lexus has rattle issues, it is very risky to purchase vehicles. Signature models of Mazda, $60,000 Lexus vehicles...rattle, rattle, rattles. Lease is the way to go.

[@mondotv4216]

That’s how desperate they are to give hydrogen a leg up. Free fuel for the duration of the lease.

[@10tenman10]

I hate panoramic sunroofs

[@10tenman10]

@Willie Redd Agree. I never use mine.

[@erichall5874]

Me too! Vehicle rollovers do occur and it amazes how many people love having a big glass panel overhead, but the human race does seem to be getting dumber every year.

[@j.wagner8639]

Taxpayer money sustain this fantasy.

[@nodak81]

I still like the idea of hydrogen but I want an ICE car that runs directly off of hydrogen NOT a fuel cell EV.

[@stevencorrea7982]

Yeah I was trying to run my blimp on that hydrogen thing way back in the 1920s or was it the thirties which decade I can't remember.

[@faeinthebay]

I know cars can be converted to run off of CNG or propane with relative ease, so a few fleet vehicles will be set up for that.

[@evevangelist5910]

There’s no good a rational reason that you should have to pay more insurance on a Tesla Model 3 then on your Hyundai crossover! There has to be some irrational discrimination by the insurance company because the Model 3 has been tested and is the safest car in the world! You can’t say that with your car. And hydrogen fuel cars are much more dependent on an expensive superstructure then electric vehicles. There’s really not much of a comparison.

[@10tenman10]

I don't think EVs are ready for mainstream purchase. More expensive, fewer charging stations, worse range. Not great in cold weather.

[@ALMX5DP]

Why did make so many separate comments?

[@spazzman90]

@@ALMX5DP and all of them pointless....

[@MattCohen]

I disagree. A used ev is a great value. Charging stations aren't important for most people unless you frequently go on long trips. It's very rare that a person needs more than a hundred miles range in one day, let alone 250+ that modern evs get. Winter is worse for all cars, especially evs. It's something I wish the EPA would put in the range rating (summer range, winter range, then average)

[@10tenman10]

Alan and spazzman90; sorry that I don't share your viewpoints on EVs. I'm happy to use internal combustion engine driven vehicles for the next 20 years.

[@stevencorrea7982]

The new Tesla sports car get 0 to 60 in 3 seconds and six hundred miles of charge