WT - Beginners Guide Part 4.2, The Climbing Spiral

Of the two most frequent questions new players ask me, one is "how do you look around while controlling the plane" which I answered in an earlier video in this series. The other is "how do you perform a climbing spiral?".
I have indeed already explained this video as part of earlier vids, but this one provides a more focused & hopefully comprehensive explanation that will enable anyone to go out and practice the maneuver.
The music is "Bobby & the Vampire" by the Wholetone Trio, who kindly gave permission for me to use it in this video. They're a superb but little known band, check out their original vid at • "Bobby & The Vampire" ... - their website is www.wholetonetrio.com and their FB page is / 137907256227405
Thankyou also to Gaijin for giving permission to use a snippet of their Victory is Ours trailer, the original for which can be found here - • War Thunder - 'Victory...
If you've been living under a rock & haven't seen it yet, do yourself a favour and watch the whole thing, its quite spectacular.

[@GreenFuryGaming]

hey mate because of players like your self, it inspired me to create a tutorial series thats even in more depth than most guides thats out there. currently, I really wish if you can come back to war thunder

[@flak8842]

He was doing a great tutorials in older war thunder version I missed him too much despite his amazing videos of the old version of war thunder game Still his videos is really effective and helpful

[@jengar6258]

love that move, definitely a must have in any pilot's arsenal :)

[@flak8842]

Actually indeed He needs to get back to war thunder He was such a good player

[@daviddaly8287]

I see you learned from the old school boys, really cool stuff

[@lieutenantdan9337]

Finally, someone who explains *how* to maneuver instead of simply showing it in-game

[@tenpotkan7051]

Very useful maneuver. Perhaps the best advice since I was told to shoot in front of the lead circle.

[@rodrigomartinelli741]

Hey man.. fresh off a battle, just took down a Spit F Mk XIVe with an unspaded C.205N2 on realistic.. SUCH satisfaction.. thanks for all your videos..

[@uncleardistress]

Hoping all is well with you Long5hot. Your video guides have had a huge impact on me and my gameplay, and my mates as well for years. Thanks for everything. Cheers

[@long5hot]

I'm so glad my old vids are having such a positive impact after all this time! I haven't played in ages but comments like yours make me feel it was all worthwhile. Thanks!!

[@oldamanbastard7201]

It’s too bad gaijin prefers profit over physics. It’s hard to find real play without ufo bot players.

[@shadowchaser8786]

I've been doing smaller versions of this, so I at least have the fundamentals and it's all a matter of practicing it enough to do it right. I've also picked up barrel rolls, the yo-yo, hammerhead, split-S and Immelmann. I really ought to thank you, because I'm flying better now than I was when I started playing three months ago. Your videos teach me something new every time, and I look forward to seeing more from you in the future!

[@Stringfellow-xo6do]

Time to brush up on the essentials and your vids are spot on.With a recent influx of new players, thanks to a certain youtuber playing WT, I've decided to reinstall and club some seals.

[@nando_br]

I miss your videos Long! Learned a lot of things and i´m very gratefull to you!

[@stop_tryharding]

I can't thank you enough for this series. I went from getting a few assists and maybe a kill every couple games to regularly getting 3 kills a game+assists literally overnight just from watching these videos. Still a serious noob, but just learning when to commit/abort an attack run to save speed + some basic evasive maneuvers has completely changed this game for me. It went from entirely frustrating to incredibly fun. Thanks!

[@billporter3495]

Great explanation. Very happy you're back.

[@silo_fx3182]

Hi Long5hot - wonderful info. This is the one manoeuvre that was missing (ok, one of the many) from my play and I recently looked through your older content and carefully watched your play. Then spent an evening in custom battles trying different planes to get a feel for how they differ. it surprised me that something you and other aces make look so easy, took a bit to get smooth and working correctly, particularly the transition from looking straight ahead with mouse aim to downward once you activate the keyboard. I certainly still mess this up too many times for my liking but slowly getting more and more effective. Hope this post helps viewers that are trying this for the first time to know that it is not as easy as these masters show- but if I can learn it, anyone can :-).

[@jixersix3929]

Fantastic tutorial, good to see you back longshot.

[@octainrod1612]

Love your videos glad you are back.

[@patrickwebb5544]

thanks for the vids sir. Always enjoyed them. Still practicing here, still practicing.... lol. Keep em coming sir.

[@cupidstuntts]

kudos for the diagram at 4 Min. Knowing all the aerobatics diags e.g. at Wikipedia these are often hard to understand, and you will know they are even harder to make, in a manner where they are a.) right b.) comprehensible - because the level of abstraction is obviously high. In that aspect, your illustrations are inspiring.

[@CaptMike]

Thanks Lon5hot. I do my spirals mostly with just the mouse, but sometimes I have to level the wings, so I'll hold the aileron keys more and see if that gives me the view I need to keep from loading the enemy. Right now my main two problems is a good spiral climb and not losing the enemy in a turn fight. I have the worst time when I loose sight of him/her.

[@vuongkyvi]

Just stalled out a Thunderbolt with a Bf 109 F4 today with this sick maneuver. Thanks a lot man

[@long5hot]

Heh, yes there's no way a p47 could keep up with a 109 in a spiral climb. Bet it felt good :)

[@vuongkyvi]

Sure it did :) Btw are you still making Arcade guides? I've been trying to do the scissors but I don't know how. Other guides on YT seem to be quite broad, not as detailed as yours.

[@long5hot]

I've rarely been able to play over the last year, but you never know I might get back into it someday. Scissors can be an effective way to force an overshoot, especially when there's a vertical or rolling element to it, but it's not a maneuver you can try to plan and initiate, it's more something that happens naturally after you see an opponent lining you up and you pull a hard turn to avoid him. Scissors depends a lot on how the other guy behaves.

[@gwalchavad2047]

Great vid as always! it's a really great manoeuvre though it needs practice.

[@robgraham5697]

Thanks for this, longshot. I've been wanting to get back into War Thunder. Because it's a game I really want to like but don't yet. This sort of guide will help a lot.

[@ironwarrior6140]

Very nice video ! A subject that can be nice to threat is the Rolling Scissor.

[@cloroxbleach9222]

Such a satisfying manoeuvre in the Fw 190s. It's even better since you can get an energy edge in an Fw quite easily.

[@bozo5982]

If you are reading this, please come back, I love your soothing voice and the way you explain stuff. Also my sister said that you sound like Bob Ross and now I can’t unhear it lol. Please mate, at least consider it.

[@long5hot]

Hey bozo, I'd love to come back, but working 2 jobs has made it impossible :\ Hopefully it'll change one day. Fingers crossed. Also thanks to your sister for the comparison - love Bob Ross :)

[@Psycholoninja1]

Love all your videos, Longshot!

[@blackeyemachine]

Thanks so much long5hot, this maneuver has saved my neck more times and got me more kills then I can count. Once I mastered the technique I routinely out turn spitfires using the strong rudder on my yaks, and boy does it make them mad!

[@long5hot]

Heh, just like I did in this vid with my stock-level 9P :) Mind you, it doesn't work if the Spit pilot knows to use rudder...

[@blackeyemachine]

That was definitely some impressive flying in the engagement you had with the spitfire, makes me realize I still have a lot to learn from you. Anytime I go against an opponent I'm just hoping in the back of my mind that they haven't heard of long5hot or I'm probably screwed lol.

[@reezrun899]

thanks long5hot!I was waiting for this long ago!

[@duglife2230]

While the climbing spiral hasn't worked for me yet, making better use of my elevators and flaps certainly has. Thanks for the tip!

[@CoyoteCourtney]

Excellent guide, I'm just a little surprised you didn't do it before since the climbing spiral is such a big stick in your tool box. You mention that not every plane is capable of performing the rudder maneuver, which is basically why I don't use the maneuver very much myself, because I tend to fly stuff with weak rudders or poor agility in general (it's pretty much been all He219 since I got back). However, being so familiar with the maneuver has made it a lot easier for me to escape if and when I realize that someone's trying to trap me in a spiral, and maybe someday I'll fly more planes with good rudders in AB. The only suggestion I might have, which isn't actually a suggestion about the video itself, is some kind of list of aircraft with a rudder strong enough to do that version of the maneuver in AB. I don't mean you should make one, heck there might already be something like that on the forums somewhere, but it would be useful reference data to have on hand. I know I said it before, but It's really good to have you back in action. The skies felt lonelier just knowing that you weren't out there, roping some dope into a stall.

[@dco9617]

Maybe the BF 109 was carrying a bomb because it was playing to win but then got distracted chasing an enemy. I've taken out one or two tanks at the end of a game with a fighter to win the game. It was glorious!

[@miljanars]

It is nice to see you back again...i must say that i miss your videos, so i happy to see more from you. Good luck in future gaming!!!

[@edf203]

Another thing you can do with the mouse aim is pull your plane up and to the side while feathering the opposite aileron key to flatten the turn. This way, the rudder and elevator are handled by the mouse aim, leading to smoother controls and saving you some energy. In many cases, you can even pull the mouse back over the plane's shoulder, looking behind you and holding the plane in the spiral with the opposite aileron key, which will keep you from having to hold C in case your keyboard has a maximum input limit.

[@suicidal_cookie868]

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[@davidbradford4105]

Can't wait to start practicing this in my 109 F-4. I've been trying to figure this out.

[@long5hot]

Excellent choice of plane for it too :)

[@davidbradford4105]

@@long5hot Thanks! I started watching your videos with the goal of just not being killed within the first 15 seconds of the game. It became, try to achieve a near 1:1 kill ratio. I upgraded laptops and now things are very different. It's been a fun journey thanks to your vids in arcade. Now to not die so quickly in realistic!

[@long5hot]

Yes, Realistic is a whole other kettle of fish - I wish you well :)

[@richard135]

Great vid long5hot .... you are a master ....

[@jamespfp]

11:15 -- As always, great content, and thanks for listening. Here's a question for you, from the tactical pile. How often would you suggest using a climbing spiral, and, do you also suggest spiralling in the same direction most every time? Reason I ask is two-fold: one, it makes a target slightly more predictable to know which way he'll be turning, but two, as with rolling an aircraft with a piston-prop, there's going to be a bias in favour of the torque introduced by the prop. So, most aircraft should spiral in one direction faster than the other...?

[@long5hot]

Hmm, well I tend to use it whenever an opportunity for a rope-a-dope presents itself, usually when I spot someone trying to climb at me. I tend to spiral left because its easier for my fingers to hit the keys, but the number of times you face the same opponent in Arcade is very small, at least in T4 and below, so its highly doubtful this would make you predictable - and anyway the point of the maneuver is to make it extremely hard to be hit even if they know which way you're going to turn. I don't think prop torque plays any significant role in Arcade. It does in RB, though Mouse Aim's very good at canceling it out, and the torque direction depends of course on whether the prop spins clockwise or anti - not all planes are the same in that regard.

[@Mike-li9nd]

I know the key mapping you use (from previous videos). I think showing the buttons you are pressing, while the plane is flying, would help me a lot in getting this technique to work.

[@gdounito]

Your tutorials are fantastic. you and flip made me realize pilots make the planes not the other way. When began playing I thought the spitfires are crap cause I got killed countless times. After hundreds of games and lots of patience I managed to have equal ratio in deaths/kills in my tier 4 planes (so you can guess up to tier 3 i got my ass kicked really hard lol :P). 1 week ago I started playing germany and I have 2-1 3-1 ratio in some decent planes like this one and killing lots of higer rated planes with tier 1 planes like the he 112 b-0 and a-0. So...thanks a lot I enjoy the game much more now that I know how to actually play it regardless gettint my ass kicked or not :P

[@long5hot]

That's great to hear! And you said it perfectly - the pilot makes the planes, not vice versa. With your permission I might use that :)

[@gdounito]

long5hot off course :P

[@kukuriknife1]

thank you mr long5hot i've been always trying to do this but failing thank you so much for posting this

[@long5hot]

I hope it helps! Also, Mr Long5hot was my father, I'm just long5hot ;)

[@cocorum_5858]

:D

[@mihaeltomasovic]

Great vid and great maneuvers as usual, m8!

[@piketchupwarthog3574]

Surprisingly this maneuver works outside War Thunder as well. I've had a degree of success in ArmA 3 performing this, and could be modified for use with helicopters in the Pedestrial Defence.

[@Thee.Mighty]

I like your videos very much! Thank you for your great input!

[@ptracey9560]

hey brother always loved your tutorials. Is there a mode to turn mouse aim on and off during a RB battle? cause I struggle in spirals during RB because my aimer/pipper seems to lock onto a direction and fight the rudder for spiraling, and always seems overide my 3rd person view, then hitting the "C" key, ill look at my plane from the side and then start spiral maneuvers but my ailerons and rudder cant spiral me it fights the locked on frontal view I just came from? Do you understand what im talking about? Because you just made me realize why I cant spiral climb its because I have mouse aim on during Air RB?

[@Polaventris]

Also note that you might need a keyboard without ghosting to have all the keyboard inputs you need. I remember struggling performing this until I got a mechanical keyboard. Excellent tutorial as always.

[@captainnyet9855]

I have that problem, and beacuse of it I can only snap roll in one direction, or i'll have to alternate between wep and adjusting my roll angle, which is a pain.

[@blackeyemachine]

There is a setting in WT that you can toggle your wep on and off so you can leave it on without having to hold in the key. Hope this helps.

[@llmari1048]

+harald s try using key bindings to a spare key - map your rudder, elevator and aileron to the same key, 1 keyboard input = 3 game input (obviously add extra bindings to keep WASD!) might solve your problem

[@llmari1048]

+llmari great for snap rolls :)

[@Wobobobo]

Try: Shift - up elevator; Ctrl - down elevator Tab/Q - left rudder; E/R - right rudder Caps Lock/A - left aileron; D - right aileron W - throttle up; S - throttle down

[@Myviewer108]

excellent video, keep it up long5hot

[@valeriedance13]

What kind of controls configuration do you use? I don't understand when you say "no need to use C for camera". If i don't use C i cannot see the enemy down.

[@koencagurangan3256]

Literally need this thing in order to not get my pilot sniped when a bullet barely misses my plane while trying to do a hammerhead

[@vbroskas]

I just found this game a few weeks ago. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos, they are really well made and have helped me start learning quickly. So far this game has been loads of fun! Do you still play from time to time or are you playing something else? Cheers!

[@purplesmart_1094]

Hey long5hot! Could you do a review of Bf 109 K-4 in Arcade mode? Since the new FMs, it seems like it lost some climbrate and I no longer know how to counter Griffons. Especially with your precise calculations it'd be great to know how to fly the plane. Thanks.

[@long5hot]

Unfortunately I have to unlock it first - I know that's a difficult plane.

[@ug0ts3rvd]

how do you keep the planes wings locked like that in 4:50 while using the c key? Edit: found out its the advanced controls

[@zdenekprecechtel6741]

thank you, i will try and train :)

[@viktororlovic2083]

I know it's been 2 years, but what controls do you use, you dont use the mouse settings but which one are those indeed?

[@proletariat239]

I love your channel, you do have a golden voice and diction and pacing- you should think about history and oration narration mate. On topic question? How's about a flow chart or a simple logical procession to help you decide based on engine and plane you are flying quickly whether you have a mechanical advantage? I bought books, and am studying aviation- but war thunders models and engine are not reality. If anyone should be writing the books on warthunder you're among them. Are there any good books you'd recommend on technical information as far as deflection firing and aerial tactics? Thank you so much for your content and your expertise and experience.

[@long5hot]

Here's an excellent book - www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/lento_ohjeet/inpursuit/inpursuit.pdf - I've learned a huge amount from it, though it really makes me wish WT had a persistent world rather than short-lived arena battles.

[@proletariat239]

long5hot thanks longshot , getting much better thanks to you.

[@tovarishchmartins4999]

Again, excellent video Long5hot! I see why I could not see the target, I used mouse aim to control the maneuver, and occasionally pressed the C key to look down. But sometimes I find it difficult to use just the keyboard to perform the rudder spiral climb. I would like to get your insight in these three situations: 1st: When performing rudder spiral climb, do you always need a higher starting energy than your opponent, even if you have higher engine output (at the given altitude) and stronger rudder? 2nd: I fully spaded the La-9, and I play very well with it on arcade, using rudder spiral climb most of the time (even if sometimes im too careful and give time to the enemies to escape, but I generally survive in most matches), but when I try to do the same in realistic I get shotdown all the time. It's the maneuver valid for realistic? (Actually, nevermind this, I wrote the comment before watching the whole video). 3rd: In a friendly competition with a buddy of mine, we fought each other with two fully spaded Ki-43 I. Same starting energy for both pilots. I try to trick him to lose his by doing rudder spiral climb, but he shoots me down with no trouble. Can planes with excellent turn rate overwhelm you in this maneuver? Thanks for your work, it is very helpful.

[@long5hot]

1. If energy state is equal & the enemy is at close range you could try it. Perhaps if the enemy's at close range & faster, you could use it to force an overshoot. Otherwise no I'd go for some other tactic. 2. Extended rudder maneuvers are a bad idea in Realistic. They bleed speed like an air brake, and they're more likely to stall a wing than help you turn sharply. Save rudder turns for hammerheads & otherwise avoid them. 3. Ki-43s are not only great turners, they're very light planes that can keep control with their nose pointed upwards for far longer than most other fighters. Hence be very careful pulling a climbing spiral within guns range of a Hayabusa.

[@tovarishchmartins4999]

Thanks a lot:)

[@CaptMike]

Long5hot, I have watched your video several times and I can do the spiral pretty good with just the mouse, but I cannot figure out which "look" or "camera" setup you are using to keep an eye on the enemy. C won't work cause the plane quits maneuvering and the same thing happens when I the enemy tracking camera......help!

[@long5hot]

When you're holding a key down that controls either elevators (pitch) or rudder (yaw), you can move the mouse to look around without needing to use C. Hence my tighter climbing spirals are performed using keys, which works extremely well in Arcade. In RB it may be possible to do this using elevator only (definitely no rudder) but the speed loss could be substantial so it'd have to be used only when there's an aggressive opponent beneath you with considerably less energy.

[@CaptMike]

I must have something set up wrong. In any plane, when I hold down the pitch key and the rudder key together at the same time, my plane goes either hard up/down/right/left. It is so hard to control that I have no time to look around. I understand what you are doing and wish I could do the same. It is one of the main problems I must overcome to advance.

[@TheWheatless]

What am I missing about overriding mouse aim? Using the elevator does not automatically do it.

[@Jostipi]

Can someone explain to me how he gets that camera view without using the C button again?

[@chris_hisss]

You know, every time I watch this video to practice this, I am perplexed with a problem, how to use these keys sparingly, especially the rudder keys, to which leads me to just break out my joystick as it has the rudder, and then I get frustrated and I go back to mouse aim and just give up on the spiral. lmao. I just had a few arcade matches with the stick and its no where near the polish I was developing with mouse aim. But I really want to develop the stick skill. Long5hot, can you tell me, do you have your rudder key set to trigger a slow development of the rudder, or is it all or nothing, as mine is? I checked your control video again and there isn't a mention of it. Thanks.

[@long5hot]

Unfortunately with mouse aim / keyboard its all or nothing, there's no way to make it a slow trigger, or to define it such that the rudder only moves a certain percentage (which would be really useful in RB).

[@chris_hisss]

My biggest problem here, is that my nose pitches up too far. I went to try to practice with the 190, and full rudder doesn't make it turn as hard as say, the 109, which is what I was trying to practice with before. Also, is there a chance I might be able to see what keys you are pushing during this maneuver? There are some on screen key recorders that I seen people on twitch use, not sure. So, I am guessing you are holding down rudder (q), tapping roll (d) and occasionally tapping up (w) while holding down c to activate the free cam? Sorry, I mean I know you say it in the video, but simply saying "tapping roll" and in practice, I am having a terrible time. Thanks so much.

[@long5hot]

I'm actually holding up AND rudder constantly. If the plane pitches up too far, which often happens on planes with weaker rudders (usually American), I'll either temporarily release the up elevator OR tap the roll key to tip the plane over in the direction the rudder's pointing. I also tap the other roll key when the plane tips over too far & stops climbing. I never use C, there's no need as you can look around freely when you have a tail control key pressed.

[@MiSt3300]

Thanks to your conversation,gentlemen I was able to fully understand how to perform the climbing spiral (I had problems with the keyboard setup as I was using the default stupid setup of elevators being controlled by the Pg down/Pg up keys...

[@dogtagx2]

Ohhhhhh!!! That is the secret info I have been missing!! YOU DONT HOLD THE "C" KEY!! My fingers were all jumbled up trying to squeeze together and press all of the keys, and having to press the C key was just too much for my hands to control......it was like playing the piano with MITTENS on !! Thank you sooooo much for this video, and helping all of us to learn,,,,,,,,,,,,now, where was I?, oh yes.....let's put a nice happy hole in the side of the engine here........and I think that hole needs a little bit oil splatter right about here,....yes that's looks nice and happy. Let's put a big happy smile on the enemy pilots face like this...........LOL.

[@hrtvolleyball01]

@long5hot Love the videos, mate-really interesting. I’m a relative noob and I’ve been working on this...I was wondering if you (or anyone) can answer my one question: Are you holding down elevator the whole time? -I always hold rudder and roll back to level, but it still seems to put me into a bit of a loop sometime. Thanks for the help

[@long5hot]

Yep, holding the up-elevator the whole time.

[@hrtvolleyball01]

long5hot holy mackerel , brother! I reallyyyy did not expect to hear from ya (or anyone)!-the video was posted so long ago. Thanks for the reply! (took me a week to notice I even had a notification-I almost never comment on anything online) Really appreciate the videos though!-they’re still helping folks all this time later 👍🏼

[@reinierjongsma4518]

Which flaps do you use when you the climbing spiral? Raised or Combat

[@long5hot]

It very much depends on the plane. If it turns well with elevators, eg. Spitfire, A6M, Ki-43, then flaps should be raised - the plane doesn't need them in this maneuver, they'll only bleed speed. For high-speed interceptors such as FW190s, La-5/7/9, some Yaks, Ki-84, you'll need combat flaps as the wings don't provide enough lift, without flaps you'll just be rudder-turning without climbing. However you will need to watch your speed closely & raise the flaps if it drops too low. Most USA fighters aren't good at climbing spirals, due to weak rudders plus the weight of many of those planes which loses them too much speed in such a tight maneuver.

[@joshimousam]

hi how can defend my self if i have 3 or 4 planes on my back plz

[@elitepauper7400]

you cant

[@jasontimmons1715]

How'd you get the multicolored smoke? I only have single colors :(

[@long5hot]

There was some event or other q few years ago where you had to perform certain tasks to get that smoke. I can't recall the details now :)

[@amyikozak]

Hi, I have some trouble. What you say at 5:37 ....how do you do: when you are using elevator key = mouse aiming is off?. When I use only elevator key withou "c" key, then mouse aiming is still working and this sux. Also when i use "c" key, before the mouse aiming will be off, i must first move camera to side and back. When I dont do this move with camera, then mouse aimnig is still on and it doesn´t matter "c" key holding. I really dont know how to fix it. I try to set up my settings as I see in same of your video in beginer guide, bud it still now working right. Thanks for video, it is very helpful and sorry for my english.

[@long5hot]

Ok, here's a test for you. Fly your plane straight & level, don't move the mouse, and now hold the up elevator key. Does the plane do a loop in front of you? Or does it ignore your keystroke and keep flying straight. If it performs a loop, mouse aim is indeed disabled as the plane's ignoring your mouse and obeying your keystroke. If it just keeps flying straight, it sounds like you don't have the key binding set properly.

[@amyikozak]

I know what is problem. My keyboard has obviously broken "W" key (my elevator up) and when i was thinking "i´m holding W" it was just "presing W W W" key instead... and when i use it without "c" key, then plain was flying really crazy. I try diferent key for elevator and now it is working right. Thanks a lot. :)

[@long5hot]

Glad you found the answer :)

[@TheSupernova147]

nice, i use these sometimes but i also use a climbing spiral with rudder only and correcting angle with roll keys, only possible in arcade ofcourse. what do you think of that

[@long5hot]

Yes that'd absolutely work, provided the plane's facing upwards to start the maneuver. More than one way to skin a cat ;)

[@TheSupernova147]

+long5hot sometimes you can exploit engine power even more that way. as you said, rudder barely bleeds speed in arcade

[@eagle9972]

you need to be careful as some pilots can still get u as u are doing this maneuver. An experienced pilot such as myself will committ and use landing flaps and rudder heavily to actually out turn u in your spiral. So be careful :)

[@TheSupernova147]

+EagleKnife4321 yes experienced pilots always take the odds down, but even then, if you do it right you have a good chance :)

[@eagle9972]

+Glenn B True

[@jasonh8640]

Hey longshot your videos really have helped me out but i am stuck on something and that is i play the ps4 version and i use the crappy controller. Do you have any tactics on how to dog fight with the controller? My problem is i can evade attacks i stay up high but when i BmZ i just miss for some reason i can not hit anything at all when i am dog fighting i tried leading way above the circle and all around it all i ever do is minor hits i usually have to break off my attacks and give up. I am frustrated because your tactics work for PC but for the ps4 controller i am having a hard time. Any ideas on what to do? ( besides playing it on my PC which isn't that great of a platform)

[@long5hot]

You could always plug a mouse & keyboard into your PS4 ... As I haven't use a controller (I don't own a playstation) I haven't the experience to be able to suggest anything. If other PS4 players don't respond to you here, I recommend asking on the forum.warthunder.com and/or reddit.com/r/Warthunder

[@jasonh8640]

Thanks it really is a shame that ps4 controller is at a very terrible disadvantage i have played tons of flight sims and arcade games and although i am not the best in the world or even in my town i always have been able to hold my own in flight games. I guess i am going to have to set up the keyboard/mouse (now all i got to do is convince the wife to let me buy that lol) I hope some others might have some suggestions as to how they survive using those crappy controls

[@long5hot]

Heh, "convince the wife" ... I've walked in those shoes :) Here's the PS4 section on the forum, there might be something helpful buried in there - forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/670-playstation-4-related-problems-and-advice/

[@crazyfula]

not sure if anyone has asked this or im missing something but you stated that when using your elevators and rudder your mouse aim disables? mine does not and it makes it impossible to do advanced maneuovers is there a control setup option for this, havent found it

[@long5hot]

So ... what happens to your plane when you hit the rudder key? Either it will ignore your keystroke and fly toward the mouse, in which case your keystroke isn't working and you might want to bind different keys, or it will turn to the side to obey your rudder command in which case mouse aim is disabled while holding the key.

[@crazyfula]

ooh it was just a keystroke bind, all fixed!

[@long5hot]

Excellent!

[@hiimmidas]

Was rudder + up elevator turning nerfed? Maybe a few months ago? Anyone know?

[@long5hot]

No, its just as effective in Arcade as its always been.

[@hiimmidas]

ah, ok. thanks. I had a misunderstanding.

[@piketchupwarthog3574]

Long5hot would it be okay if I link this video in a vid I'm working on?

[@long5hot]

Sure, go for it.

[@piketchupwarthog3574]

Right thanks for the permission

[@edrohhhhhhhhh]

Nice vid Can you make a video on how to engage multiple oponents and get away?

[@long5hot]

Unfortunately that's a bit too vague a topic on which to make a video. Can you be more specific?

[@edrohhhhhhhhh]

Yes it is pretty vague. I mean something like, for example, a situation of 2 or more enemies vs oneself, both oponents coming from the 12 o'clock and you the only one in high altitude or same altitude as your oponents. Or another situation, you in the middle of a dogfight, one vs one and then another oponent join the dogfight.

[@long5hot]

Hmm. Thinking about it, all I can visualize is a bunch of examples from games rather than being able to condense it down to a tactic to employ. So much depends on what plane you're flying versus what the opponents are in, how much altitude you have to play with, and the skill level of your opponents.

[@nimitzpro]

How did you get 3 colours of smoke at the same time longshot?

[@long5hot]

I bought a "dog tag" a while back when they were selling them cheap for some tournament they were running. Among other things, it provided the smoke, the Bf109 E-7 and the P-51A.

[@nimitzpro]

nice! i was just curious :P

[@ricardomilos990]

the tank on the bottom of the 109 could be a drop tank

[@SkySky-dk7si]

I have lost count on how many planes I stalled while alone and outnumbered.

[@jaredbussard6920]

Could this be used to get someone off of your tail (say .8km out)??

[@AlShalPerish]

for sure if you have an energy advantage and a plane with a strong engine

[@long5hot]

What Requiem said. If your energy state is equal I wouldn't use it though, not straight away, not when he's 800m behind you and can easily get a guns solution if you spiral in front of him. Instead try a rudder turn to get past him and then assess whether a climbing spiral's likely to work. An example can be found in my La-9 stock survival guide - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZu0nGCHrtWihtkm26s

[@JoostP99]

how do you get 3x smoke?

[@long5hot]

I bought a "dog tag" when the Thunder League tournament was running. Tri smoke was one of the rewards it provided.

[@JoostP99]

long5hot oooh i was already wondering why i could never find it. thanks :) and thanks for the video, really makes me a better player because i always have trouble getting on someone's tail after they attacked me

[@YouXforx]

hey long5hot, how do you get AI in your battles?

[@long5hot]

Menu -> Custom Battle -> Create New Battle -> choose a map -> make sure Enable AI (or is it Enable Bots?) is selected in the list of options.

[@YouXforx]

long5hot thank you sir!

[@mr_derpo9729]

Can't we do a rope-a-dope while corkscrewing

[@AdvancedManagement-jo8ts]

this maneuver is also good to spot aim bot user. if someone stay and follows you in perfect sync with you it probably using lock enemy mode in aim bot. I admit i did buy the bot once before.

[@jamespfp]

12:05 -- -ESPECIALLY against a strong turn-fighter, like a Spitfire. :P

[@piketchupwarthog3574]

I've been called a hacker several times for outturning spitfires in my 109 Emil XD not that I love doing it all the time but when you get 2 angry players after you it'll save your life :)

[@playthegame957]

Thx man, can you do a tutorial on jet fighters?

[@long5hot]

As soon as I have some. I'm 5K RP away from unlocking the first MiG-9.

[@alexmansson1250]

Gratz! 50k away from meteor here :D

[@captainnyet9855]

+LWD Vids kikka is a terrible plane for realistic, as it is just not powerful enough to compete with other jets, and it's speed advantage over superprops is mitigated by lackluster climb rate.

[@captainnyet9855]

+LWD Vids in arcade however, the kikka is a very dangerous plane. The same goes for the Narwhal, it is great in arcade, but the increased br in realistic makes it a bad plane there.

[@playthegame957]

+harald s to me it flies really well and I have the otsu mod, I just can't line up shots XD

[@mikexstad1121]

How do I do this on PS4? :/

[@niksarass]

You sell your ps4 and you buy a PC

[@misterbuklau4053]

Chance that still wouldnt cover the cost of a proper gaming pc. Ps4s are only worth $250-300 at the most. Pc's are at least $750-900+

[@kombatace7971]

The 109 stalled first, maybe cuz he had a bomb?

[@barrybryant8589]

is it a skin on your plane?

[@long5hot]

Yes it is, downloaded quite some time ago from live.warthunder.com

[@barrybryant8589]

cool thx you are always free for the commeents

[@diegoalmaraz1257]

How does one go about beating the Japanese for next vid ? Na just kidding but good work this should help me out.

[@aho5133]

by shooting them with Incendiary rounds

[@kh2b573]

2:40 the russian shot other russians down?

[@eagle9972]

With this maneuver u can take on at least 3 people at one time and kill all of them. If I can't shake him then I bait him.

[@blackeyemachine]

This is so true! It's difficult for me cause I'm not as skilled as you or long5hot but in rare cases I've pulled it off before. That moment when you look around and realize there's no one else left cause you just killed them all... priceless.

[@eagle9972]

People are so greedy it's so easy at lower tiers to do this.

[@cwooley89]

cannot look behind you while manuvering on PS4 :-(

[@long5hot]

Ugh, how people fly with that controller is beyond my ability to understand :\ If I had a PS4, I'd be plugging in a mouse & keyboard, though I do understand if some players would prefer to stick with the more natural joystick-ish controls.

[@fly_swatter_]

you can...you just either have to have extremely flexible hands or re map the buttons...you can map side & rear views....if you use the second method heavy rudder, tapping the look behind button generally allows you enough visibility to get it done because the camera view swings ;) mapping rudder to numbers is hugely useful to pull it off as well.

[@fly_swatter_]

numbers = bumpers ... autocorrect got me. mine are mapped to R1 & L1

[@mariebcfhs9491]

the La-5 would stall first simply because Bf-109 has more energy retention while both have almost the same stall speed but oh well, shit thunder is full of Russian bias

[@tequilamokkingbyrd2016]

any one Else notice how this guy sounds like actor JUDE LAW,

[@long5hot]

Unfortunately the movie studios haven't noticed yet...

[@nortski78]

Man, I suck so bad at this game :(

[@nicolasn.7202]

2:09 q:"why did the bf 109 stall first?" a:RuSsiaN bIAs

[@long5hot]

you hit the nail on the head :)

[@keinstein3714]

I think Longshoot is a teacher in real life :)

[@long5hot]

Unfortunately no, I probably should have been though.

[@keinstein3714]

Does patreon works with paysafecards ?

[@long5hot]

I think they only support credit cards & paypal.

[@keinstein3714]

Hm, I've to make it out. Iam also really enyoing your music adivice. The Whole Tone Trio is really amazing, going to steal some riffs of them :) They are inspiring !

[@long5hot]

Indeed - check out some of their live performance vids as well, I think there's a couple of Hendrix songs where the guitarist is absolutely brilliant. There's got to be hundreds of unrecognized bands like this on youtube with mere handfuls of viewers - if only they were easier to find! When I stumble across one of them it feels like I've struck gold. Check out this guy - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZyllKycat2kh8k - absolutely brilliant, yet despite being on YT for years he has a fraction of my subscribers & rarely posts vids now.

[@4funrc11]

Asking "How" the C-key works with preventing your aircraft from snapping back to original direction while performing manevuers is all I want to know.

[@long5hot]

If you're performing maneuvers using either elevator (pitch) or rudder (yaw) keys, you don't need to use the C key, not while you're holding at least one of those keys down. You can look around without C, and there's no snap-back. When you let go of those tail control keys, mouse aim will point the plane in the direction your cursor's facing rather than make the cursor return to the plane's heading.

[@4funrc11]

@@long5hot Thanks for your reply! 👍 Lemme try to be more explicit... Or maybe I missed your point. Arcade mode - Test Flight Objective: Quickly change direction of flight 180° Example: Flying level with WEP/100% throttle. 1) I hold down A-key and roll plane 180° then... 2) I hold down S-key and flip the plane direction 90° then... 3) I release S-key and the plane *snaps back to original flight direction. (How do I prevent the plane from *snapping back to original flight direction?) TiA! 😃

[@long5hot]

Move the mouse while the plane's turning, so that the cursor is pointing in the direction you want the plane to go when you release the S key.

[@4funrc11]

@@long5hot 👍 Once again... Thank-You 👍 I'm starting (finally, lol) to sorta understand, sorta. I've re- bound the default C-key to MSB4 which has been helping, and I'll definitely try using your advice. 😃

[@long5hot]

Sure, but don't use the C-key while doing this. It'll screw you up. Only use that while you're not controlling the plane with your keyboard.

[@user-kn2qk8ly8c]

How did you get that smoke?

[@baymax1126]

i was wondering that as well

[@quatschkopq186]

settings, acrobatic smoke thing (or sth like that) just enable it in settings when its enabled, just press [L]

[@baymax1126]

He has 3 colors and 3 streams of smoke though...

[@sungyunkim7450]

2:18 obiously russian game😂😂😂😂😂

[@long5hot]

Well, true, but you wouldn't expect them to show a Russian plane being rope-a-doped in a video entitled "Victory is Ours", which was about the battles defending Moscow I believe. The purist in me does wish they'd setup the rope-a-dope properly though, with the plane starting with more energy winning rather than vice versa.

[@sungyunkim7450]

+long5hot wow that was fast (impressed)👍

[@jemperdiller]

Well, in this game when i go vertical climb with Bf109, I'm getting got shot from i-15 biplane in 1 second.

[@transparentghost2817]

This guy is so creepy , he always ends with "And i will see you in disguise" .. xD