Here's how ATSC 3 broadcast TV DRM reduces consumer choice

[@chumbawumba1959]

**ANY APPLICATION OF DRM IN ANY FORM IS ANTI-CONSUMER**

[@rogerf3622]

All the ATSC3 broadcasters here in central Florida DID NOT turn off encryption before, during and after the last 2 hurricanes. One of the arguments these people made was that during emergencies, encryption would be turned off. If a hurricane is not an emergency, what the heck is?

[@smccrode]

In the context of the Communications Act and the FCC's mandate that broadcasters serve the "public interest, convenience, and necessity," the primary focus has traditionally been on ensuring that broadcast content is accessible to the widest possible audience without any special equipment or subscriptions. DRM limits that and is detrimental to serving the public.

[@kensmith5694]

Yes but that seems to not matter to them. This seems to be purely a takeover of the "Public's airwaves" by a narrow special interest.

[@YokiBrewster]

Hi lon! I’ve been subscribed years and years. And sometimes bud it just makes my day to hear your classic intro! And seeing you do what you enjoy🎉

[@LonSeidman]

Thanks for sticking around!

[@flaxj]

Can we just file a class action lawsuit to get the DRM dropped on the ATSC 3.0 Stations?

[@timbo303official9]

Agreed and gtmedia should team up.

[@schoolofwonders]

I signed the petition and have uploaded it to my community online a server of around 2,000 people who I hope will sign it. Long Live FREE TV!

[@mrpedrodrodriguezsr7628]

Lon, you should include petitions, to the FTC and Congress! I have already summited your form to the FCC, but we should be pressuring others in the Government. More pressure on the Government can mean a better and quicker solution.

[@ZachSwena]

With the new administration coming in, try to get a collab with Joe Rogan, or some of the other social media personalities that have gotten the ear of the president during his campaign...

[@BryanTorok]

@@ZachSwena That is an excellent idea! I don't know how to reach them, but getting Elon and Vivek on our side would be great. As TRump continues to name his cabinet nominees, contacting them could be helpful. Come to think of it, Vance is still one of my Senators for a few more weeks.

[@PC4USE1]

I can see DRM on one subchannel for 'special events and first run movies" like ON-TV and Spectrum was in the 1980s OTA. That being said,most channels should be free and clear

[@davidjernigan8161]

ATSC 3.0 will never have widespread adoption or deployment with encryption

[@RJMaker]

I think that is indeed the end goal.

[@madmax2069]

Well of course, they're trying to push people to subscribe to a streaming service

[@jeffreyswanson2207]

OTA with DRM and required internet? No way no how. Ever !

[@matthewjbauer1990]

Zinwell sells an OTA ATSC 3.0 single tuner that in most situations shouldn't require the internet to decrypt ATSC 3.0. Just plug it in and it should work if the firmware is the correct one. If it isn't the correct one, WNY over the Air says you can try to get your DRM protected station to fix their DRM so its compatible with the Zinwell. Otherwise I think Lon did a video on the Zinwell also and he did like a 1 time update and is good no longer needing to connect it to the internet.

[@preshisify]

Thank you

[@WaynoGur]

I live in Tucson. All the channels are encrypted. My HDHomeRun is basically a paper weight. My Zapperbox works, but as you said, it needs an internet connection, rendering it useless in times of an emergency.

[@igeekone]

Ditto on the signal quality. 3.0 may very well be the standard that everyone, even with a little indoor antenna will be able to get these channels. It's important that these channels are not locked down because of an archaic business model.

[@GilmerJohn]

One of the carrots the FCC dangled before the broadcasters to get digital TV going was right to encrypt one or more sub-channels. Few, if any, broadcasters too advantage of this. I suspect that consumers will decide that if I have to pay for OTA TV I might as well pay for a dish or cable and get a zillion channels.

[@McGregorMX]

I'm the opposite, I think if I have to pay for ota, I'm going to get rid of every tv in my house and find other things to do. This makes me want to get my sailor hat out again.

[@CrimsonTideGuy]

the FCC shouldn't dongle anything, Broadcasters can easily be left in the dust by FCC yanking our licenses back and giving to content creators that are ethical for public use.

[@robertoney5665]

DRM is a form of control for the broadcasters. In the future, it can be used as a form of subscription tv.

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

ATSC 3 basically does not exist in the real world - it is a technical demo. It doesn't appear that it will ever actually be useful to normal people. So I don't see why it gets so much press. It's the new AM Stereo.

[@workshed556]

It exists, it is just gimped because dinosaur broadcasters are clueless. ( I worked as a broadcast engineer for 30 years).

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

@@workshed556 It exists as much as AM Stereo exists, which is basically only in the lab.

[@thedude5040]

So ATSC 3.0 looks beautiful even if the source is 1080p. Just the bump from 720p/1080i to 1080P looks amazing on my new TV and significantly better than any atsc 1.0

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

@@thedude5040 The miracle of 30-year better compression algorithms. The truth is ATSC 1.0 could use the same compression algothims if the broadcasters wanted to. Many modern TVs support these better codecs (but not all ATSC 1.0 tuners do, so they design for the lowest common denomiator).

[@jjones2582]

@@thedude5040 - It probably also has to do with the h.265 video codec. 1080i to 1080p isn't a huge jump on it's own, but 10 years ago a recording from my NBC and CBS stations would consume about 7 GB per hour on the drive. Today a one hour recording is only about 3 GB. So they've drastically reduced the bitrate of the MPEG-2 video by more than half.

[@GameSack]

The DRM really sucks. I have that Zapperbox thing. The firmware updated and I could not receive some channels because the Zapperbox would not resolve the DRM, even though it was connected to the internet. I had to factory reset the thing and then I shut off auto-updates. Also I'm noticing that ATSC 3 looks no better than ATSC 1. It even has the same compression breakup and artifacts. One channel is broadcasting in HDR but it's fake injected HDR since no TV shows have real HDR applied.

[@andrewminutillo1918]

@LonSeidman keep up the great work. I am so disheartened by the DRM on ATSC 3. I've been looking forward to this new more robust signal for almost 7 years now, and maybe being able to switch to indoor antennas. For the most part, the ATSC 1 signal is fine, but there are a few channels that are prone to interference, and that is not an issue on the ATSC 3 channels. The problem is the few devices that can decrypt the DRM stink. As I write this I am in the process of returning the Zinwell box I just purchased on sale, because the IR remote control conflicts with the TVs remote control and there is some freezing happening when I watch--maybe not coincidentally I saw quite a bit of freezing when watching encrypted channels. I already purchased and returned the ADTH box when it first came out. Zapperbox is too much money for a non-network tuner, and I'm not buying new TVs, so I guess I will live with a little interference on ATSC 1 and give up the dream of all clear TV. This DRM thing is the pits.

[@dpt17]

I don't see how any sunset date can be put into place with the shape that it is in. Awful.

[@aramb]

In the Boston market, the only unencrypted ATSC3 station is WGBH's main channel. All the other ATSC3 stations are encrypted.

[@revision386]

I live in an area that has no Cable or Broadband. This is important to me. I live in a populated area between a township & city. No services other than OTA or Satellite are available.

[@johnkwolf]

Great job 👏

[@ericB3444]

This should’ve been created in a free manner just like the original over the air. The only benefit to providers is that they have targeted ads, which should be huge enough.

[@demosdoulou]

Everybody needs to send a letter yes a physical letter to your local station that has DRM activated and state that they are not serving the local community by employing such practices. In order for the stations to keep their FCC license they must be serving the community. They get inspected every few years to see if they are upholding this mandate. They must keep all letters that they get from the community on file so the FCC can inspect them. You must make sure that in the letter that you state that they are not serving the local community.

[@polarvortex6601]

i wonder if the networks can be sued for this because what they are doing goes agaisnt the public interest at large. we had a couple of storms here in florida and i bet that ppl arent pleased to find out that they were put out of the loop because of encryption shenanigans besides the public is paying taxes to the FCC to give licenses to these corps to implement this

[@loricapobianco6905]

I am trying to put the form for the drm to the fcc but when I put the 16-142 number in there it doesn’t recognize it.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

My gut feeling is that ATSC 3.0 DRM will turn the way of HD Radio. Basically what I'm envisioning is that manufacturers will either pay to have ATSC 3.0 in their TV or they won't include a tuner at all. Also, I'm envisioning no more external tuners/DVR tuners after the transition phase that we're in now.

[@raymondmartin6737]

I have the GT media too, which works with mine, but as you said DRM is locked out. 😮

[@doogie812]

First and foremost, DRM control must be taken away from Google!

[@kensmith5694]

DRM needs to go away completely

[@GeoffreyMorrison-xh2eo]

WNC here. Lon is right about broadband internet (and, towers), after the violent destruction--it was the last thing finally enabled--before water--which is not yet, even now, potable. Given that this was enabled then, emergency info would have proven still impossible. USB should not be part of the "solution," at all: A stupid and hasty makeshift add-on.... Besides, as for copying content, remember "kinescope?!" (Actually filming TV.) Is their content really worth all this hassle and anger?: I like one sub-channel, an:yway.. ("Grit.") Could the clueless broadcasters really prevent determined piracy, anyway? This is akin to pirating a container ship--with only a few empty containers, aboard.....

[@petermschenk]

DRM is killing a great standard that would make OTA broadcasting far more attractive. By the time broadcasters come around they’ll have lost even more viewers to streaming

[@beitie]

OTA bandwidth has been cut down over and over again. OTA TV broadcasting is a privilege and not a right. If these broadcasters don't want to broadcast in a manor that the vast majority of consumers want to view the content, then revoke their privilege and open it up to someone who will!

[@paulanderegg5536]

I wonder how the economic breakdown of withholding free OTA ATSC 3.0 long enough to make the spectrum much more valuable to sell off when no one is watching due to the DRM works out.

[@joe10117]

sounds illegal encrypting. free to air can we see zapperbox multiroom please

[@kensmith5694]

It should be illegal

[@ryanfraley7113]

ATSC 3.0 isn’t worth it for as long as channels are encrypted. If I wanted encrypted TV I’d just go for streaming. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ColoRadio6996]

Just remember this when you vote !

[@CrimsonTideGuy]

I'd rather have no TV than have Thump

[@irfanspace]

pretty confused about this , I have sony K85X tv built in ATSC3.0 when I tune local channels , options appear next gen tv , but all these videos i play , comes from Internet , when i turn off internet , it just disappear , so what is all about ? its is not basically coming form the Air its over internet .

[@LonSeidman]

It needs the Internet to validate the encryption

[@irfanspace]

@@LonSeidman so means , without internet this feature is useless.. why tv provider needs a encryption validation if they are broadcasting free to air , inside the spectrum, makes no sense ..

[@STB-jh7od]

How about a DRM decoder that plugs into OTA antenna that doesn't require internet and doesn't cost alot-that would sell.

[@dbenedict357]

Smash that like button y’all!

[@Nomad-Rogers]

If I owned a tv station I would broadcast 4k content in the MPEG-4 video codec which is twice as efficient of a codec plus you can add more substations plus with MPEG-4 99% of all modern tvs and external tuners can decode the MPEG-4 codec.

[@hondaopportunity8107]

The day I cut the cable, that was the day I freed myself and family from the mainstream media. Today, we get our news from internet sources, youtube, X, and others.

[@kensmith5694]

youtube and Xitter are the new mainstream now. They really aren't trustworthy news sources

[@dawidwolnik628]

In our country there is hd+ I don't have it, my children will not know RTL and so on

[@kensmith5694]

I fully expect to carry my TV set out to the curb in 2027. The internet is not getting connected to it. This whole DRM thing makes a nonsense of "the public's airwaves" and also "in the public's interest". It looks to me like the FCC is just going to take away the rest of the TV band at some point in the future because nobody will be watching other than perhaps a few poor folks watching PBS and we all know they don't matter.

[@kumarp3074]

This will just encourage piracy. A lot of broadcast channels can already be viewed online through nefarious means. It may not be the best quality but it would still beat the hassle of dealing with DRM.

To me it seems like we are heading slowly towards a pay per view off air system like in England.. I fully expect a surprise in the future that we all will not be pleased with.. It might start out with broadcasters just protecting their blackout areas for sports and other contract restricted things for viewing area then progress to paid tiers for going from 720 to 1080 or 4k and so on to full subscription based.. And why does Google seem to be becoming the gatekeeper for many Android based phones, TV's and even Windows operating systems and internet sites??

[@mc1412007]

Soo does microsoft and apple just not care or they waiting to see what the end result turns out to be??

[@justanotherstanczyk]

I expect everyone is waiting to see who gets elected like Lon said. There's little point in spending any money building new products until you know how the election turns out.

[@timbo303official9]

I think gtmedia should sue the people behind atsc 3.0 because they got denied while adth with the exact same tech gets a pass.

[@mongo2044]

I was submitting and had it 90% done and the FCC page just blinked off and gone! Vanished! So, type up the response FIRST, THEN go to the link (must be typed perfectly or it goes to lon KZbin page!) and paste it in. Well, I am not rewriting that!

[@RichaRat]

Encryption defeats the purpose of putting up an antenna.

[@beerdedvillain]

the biggest issue is that I can't play my content where I want to play it because of the encryption. I wish Google would just deny these companies access to the platform, but apparently they want to be a reason to choose them over Apple. This is anti-consumer BS that needs to be addressed (and this is coming from an Android user).

[@LocalAitch]

Any broadcaster who encrypts news and public service fulfillments (as the FCC is supposed to require) should be heavily fined and lose their license. I hope it all gets irreparably cracked such that it has no effect. It's a one-to-many broadcast. All it takes is one person to figure out the key distribution, and it's game over.

[@ZachSwena]

ATSC 3.0 needs two things to succeed, outlaw drm so that tuners don't expire and require every TV tuner to support ATSC 3.0, until then I will be broadcasting what would have been ATSC 2.0 and 1.0

[@isettech]

DRM is a standard for Pay TV, so being incompatible with tuners simply makes the channel unwatchable for most of the station's target audience. The not blessed dongles are to prevent time or space shifting of recorded material, so only a one time pay per view device for live viewing is approved and built into the TV sets. Those Pay Per View can remain the realm of cable TV subscriptions, and should not be reducing bandwidth for free over the air TV. So few watch over the air TV so there is very little demand of that subset for pay over the air TV to make it a broken model which has been tried and failed many times in the past. Let it die on the vine.

[@aaronhendrickson]

Only have two of them encrypted. Fox 5 and ABC 13 in Las Vegas. Proplem is, if i had offline deciding of encryption; fox 5 is broadcast over the Internet. So you will need to be online to watch that channel anyways. Where is the fancy grafics they can do with atsc 3.0,? Take you back 16 years. During election day 2008, they had the congress seat layout on the sides of the broadcast. Before they had HD cameras in the news rooms. I would like to see them do that again. Atsc 3.0 they can. Look at what zapper box had to fix last week. Encryption update. That should have been in the video on your encryption complain.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

No plans on buying any new tv... Erie pa doesn't have any atsc 3 broadcast at all...

[@BillyNoMates1974]

well this will kill off what market share TV has any ways. conventional TV is dead.

[@MedicNYC]

Can someone explain to me how broadcasters, who rely on advertising that needs to reach viewers, want to limit who can view? This only makes sense if we were finally going to move away from ad riddled TV. There's a reason many of us don't watch live TV, preferring, instead, to view and removed versions after the fact.

[@michaeltoye9666]

Lon it's not free if it's encrypted

[@Hierarchangel]

I think that it's funny that broadcasters, as their audiences continue to shrink, still think their products are worth being protected.

[@AAa-qd8hb]

12 Reasons why OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. Just say NO to (DRM). Tell your USA Government about the Hostile Takeover of (OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV) issues listed below. DRM (Digital Rights Management) Encrypted TV Station's signals. Why? Some 3.0 tuners at this time require you stay on the internet to decode DRM 3.0 TV Stations. Why? 3.0 Currently no 4K and you only get the Simulcasted main channel and no sub channels. Channel Crawling = super slow channel changing (DRM 5 + seconds slow). No sound because of Dolby AC4 audio codec does not have a legal open source license to decode legally on many devices. Some 3.0 tuners have Out of sync audio to video problems. Private Home Networked OTA antenna tuner boxes like (Tablo TV box) can not get official certified approval for DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. Why? You may need non OTA home pay internet for updates and to unlock DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 tv channels. Possible DRM restrictions on DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings and no viewing anywhere on any device with no sound. Emergency alert messages can not be received if DRM is blocking them. OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because the FCC is not going to turn off ATSC 1.0 TV stations for many years if not enough people buy 3.0 TVs and 3.0 boxes. No one has solve the problem of no government money for free DRM 3.0 TV tuner boxes because 1.0 TV turners and recorders will not work after that TV Station switches to 3.0 TV broadcasts. (Range and signal error correction) OR (more sub channels and near 4k picture) trade off problem. FCC is not forcing any 1.0 TV Stations to move over to 3.0 TV. So some TV stations will be on 1.0 and others will be on DRM 3.0. The FCC is only allowing OTA Simulcasts of the ATSC 1.0 main channel at this time on DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. DRM ATSC 3.0 is a not finished product and is a work in progress mix of unproven ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval at this time. Software updates for 3.0 tuner boxes may be needed for changes made to the unfinished and future added new official ATSC 3.0 standards modules. Patent License problems. LG no longer sells TVs with ATSC 3.0 tuners. Some 3.0 TV tuners companies may go out of business or stop updates leaving you with no DRM or software updates. OTA ATSC 3.0 is better but is not perfect and still can be affected by weak tv signals: (distance, weather, planes, trees, buildings, trucks, poor antenna, etc). FCC rules that 5 percent of old ATSC 1.0 coverage area does not need to be covered anymore = (SHORTER RANGE). Viewing zone outside of your 15 minute city or town could be blocked. Your TV viewing habits could be tracked by your serial number or IP address. ATSC 3.0 is updatable until it is not updatable without new hardware tuners (ATSC 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0......). Some of these 3.0 TV issues may be fixed over time. This is only some of the mess with DRM ATSC 3.0 TV. This is my opinion why DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law. It is the people versus the hostile takeover by private DRM 3.0 TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves. IMO 2024.

[@doltsbane]

There's only one message you can send them that they'll listen to, stop watching. If you insist on frittering away your life, there are plenty of alternatives that are at least a bit better for you than sitting in front of the TV all day. Get a hobby, read a book, volunteer, garden, go for a walk, talk to your neighbors. What is on OTA TV that's so wonderful that you'd fight to see it?

[@GregM]

Being in Canada I can barely get the 3 major OTA TV networks. I watch one of these networks for a total of 3 hrs a week. It would have been 4 hours but that network axed local news on weekends and holidays. I can not get any of the US networks OTA. Some of the Canadian networks carry shows from the US networks but I have no interest in them. Sorry to say but I axed cable 5 yrs ago and do not miss tv. By the way, I am in my sixties and simply got fed up w TV in general.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

My dad is in his 60s and mostly reads books or listens to music. He still pays for TV (Hulu Live) for mom because she refuses to do On Demand preferring to only do linear programming. I axed cable like 5 years ago too and I'm in my 30s and am happy.

[@adriancobon7501]

Zapperbox runs a version of Ubuntu... In the end, I know it is running the same GNU/Linux under the hood as Android (after the kernel branch mergers a couple of years back...) but the API availability and end-user recognition differential make it kind of neat to note.

[@jbdragon3295]

ATSC 3.0 is dead to me. I'll stick with 1.0 forever. It works just fine and isn't crippled, I have an HDHomerun with 2 3.0 tuners, and this encryption has made it worthless. DRM sucks!!!

[@McGregorMX]

Until they shut down the 1.0 broadcasts at least...

[@gabriels3415]

I can’t see any content in HDR on my HDHomerun 4K, and it blows.

[@joe10117]

why can t sub channels be atsc 3.0

[@crosslink1493]

They could, good idea for stuff like a pay-per-view pro boxing/MMA match or a first run movie. But the big media companies want to lock down EVERYTHING to thwart 'pirate' web TV stations from copying and rebroadcasting, and you and me from recording a show to watch later at a more convenient time. they want every last penny they can wrangle out of the consumer. If they succeed my TV will just be a screen for watching DVDs/Blu-rays.

[@PC4USE1]

@@crosslink1493 Just as Tunerless DVD recorders became prevalent in 2008 plus,so also will tunerless "TVS" in my opinion. Just a monitor with HDMI/Display port inputs. The corporate greed here is disgusting. I am all for capitalism but not at this cost in this market.

[@jjones2582]

ATSC 3.0 is the standard for how the analog channel is used, so you can't really combine ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 on the same channel. The DRM is probably what you are really wondering about. The DRM itself could be limited only to the sub channels. Everyone should probably write their congressman and let's just go ahead and pass a law for the FCC to enforce stating either no DRM on public airwaves at all or else limited only to sub channels (and for which can't be the primary source of news on the channel). That would clear up all the ambiguity real quick.

[@mrtodddjreese]

My name is Todd Reese. I hope that I am wrong about this, But I am afraid that once the new president takes office on JANUARY 20 2025, The general public WILL NOT have any way of gaining access to ATSC 3.0. I hope that I am wrong about this. Because all of the ATSC 3.0 broadcasts that I have seen on your channel and the many other KZbin channels that talk about ATSC 3.0 look REAL GOOD!!!. I like many other people, DO NOT UNDERSTAND why alot of ATSC 3.0 broadcasts are being ENCRYPTED. After all encrypting everything makes the manufacturers of ATSC 3.0 TVs and SET TOP BOXES lose money, which can't be good for business!!!.

[@dj-bn1fj]

I recommend not to buy any ATSC 3.0 devices or TV's as I'm going to wait until the FCC start shipping out STB that support ATSC 3.0 as I see no reason to spend $300.00 for a tuner that the FCC will have to send out anyway just like the digital converters they shipped out as I got two for free.

[@dschirpke]

My tvs never get internet access and never will.

[@Flexin010]

Imo, gen z isnt going to care for ota drm tv. It will go away with them. Im a millennial and ditched tv long ago. I feel bad for people who need ota. sucks.

[@BrianHaskell78]

Where can we buy the ADTH USB dongle that supports ATSC 3.0 decryption? I can't find it anywhere.

[@LonSeidman]

Not available yet

[@gudenau]

I'm pretty sure any of the little progress we might have made with this so far might be snapped out of existence if the wrong person gets elected. GO AND VOTE

[@kennethandrysiak4130]

NextGenTV = Next Junk No one cares. This is equivalent to Digital FM. They (the investors) have been pushing this for over a decade. The investors want a return on their investment! Can’t blame them. But the public could care less and good luck finding a receiver that will decode it (yes, I know many auto radios do… so what about home listening??!!). Technology that time has left in the dust.

[@philwebb59]

I think the broadcasters have killed atsc 3.0.

[@markd5067]

Broadcasters have become very greedy…

[@AirJordan23DCH]

They need to just release a app instead of these devices

[@kensmith5694]

No, they just need to get rid of DRM. If they did that I would watch ATSC-3 content. As it is, I expect to lug my TV out to the curb in 2027.

[@pilljr.3331]

Why do we need this in the first place? Network tv sucks!

[@kensmith5694]

There are some very good programs on the OTA where I live. I turn my TV set on on purpose to watch them.

[@asphaltandtacos]

Vote with your wallet!

[@srubel59]

I remember when I was excited for the ATSC 3.0 roll out. CBS in my Wash DC area has DRM enabled and has overlaid this weird menu system that makes it unwatchable. #Unsubsribe from ATCS 3.0 🤮

[@NEVIXIA]

Glad I'm not a dinosaur who needs this garbage.

[@bmiller949]

Between the HOA and geography, there's no antenna for my condo.

[@jjones2582]

Your HOA should provide a centralized antenna that can feed signals to everyone if they aren't going to allow people to install their own antenna.

[@McGregorMX]

If they aren't providing one, they legally can't stop you from installing one.

[@GrantLairdJr88]

Cant you install an antenna in the attic can you?

[@StraightThruTheHeart]

Don't vote GOP unless you want DRM.

[@McGregorMX]

Does the other side have a policy in there that removes it?

[@dankeifer]

Maybe but everything else will be much better.😀

[@StraightThruTheHeart]

@@dankeifer If you want tax breaks for the rich, failing our allies, election denial and cuddling up to dictators and tyrants, then vote for the orange guy. The same guy who intimidated gutless GOP representatives to purposely derail a historic bipartisan border deal they agreed to, just so he could campaign on it. Disgraceful. I don't expect you people to understand all the nuance though, but at least some of us are paying attention.

[@StraightThruTheHeart]

@@McGregorMX All you need to do is look at how historically the two parties have behaved in regard to the rights of the public vs corporate rights. See "net neutrality" if you need an example. You don't actually expect them to tell you the truth do you?

[@CrimsonTideGuy]

both sides are at fault, I'll tell you the truth. Trump side will do nothing except to benefit billionaire owner broadcasters and the Democrats were the ones who pushed into law Intellectual property rights giving them larger copyright protections. Neither side will help this except pressuring Jessica Rosenworcel and FCC into forcing broadcasters to implement without internet required and without WIDEVINE DRM

[@timbo303official9]

I have a dilemma because of this. If I vote democrat sure atsc 3.0 drm will be gone but the inflation will get worse under harris. If I vote trump the inflation will be stopped at least but the hes going to put stupid ajit pai back which for sure will adopt the drm.

[@LonSeidman]

I’m sure this will erupt into a debate but both administrations contributed to the inflation issue. The prior one all but closed the economy and gave out billions in free money to anyone and everyone. The other spent large sums on local government investments just as the recovery was beginning. Had the government taken a more measured approach at the onset of the pandemic this would have not been as bad.