Mayflash Magic-NS vs. 8bitdo Wireless Bluetooth Adapter : PS4 / Xbox Controllers on Switch, Pi, PC

[@dneck]

Lon, you rule and you're such a professional. Hope you make decent money on KZbin because you deserve it. Your channel feels like a show that should be on "real TV." One of the best tech youtubers out there with great, honest reviews.

[@renatinhoss]

my favorite reviewer for sure

[@l00tur]

Fully agree!

[@Adam-ru3fi]

Great vid think this would work in the Wii U

[@mariomadproductions]

@@Adam-ru3fi if you use the homebrew "HID to VPAD" then probably yes

[@__1201]

Glad i did my research before purchasing the 8 bit do. The wired functionality is a deal maker for me.

[@PikangsFutaba]

Me too, last week I got one of the Mayflash (specifically the Magic-S Pro 2 as it would allow me to take advantage of it's Ps4 compatibility and to allow me to not be in a hurry to get more than 1 Ps4 controller as a backup... yes, I got a Ps4 controller, a 3rd party one, but with the Mayflash Magic-S Pro 2 I can take my time in getting another replacement while I can play with my switch controllers, xbox one/series controllers and 8bitdo SN30 Pro1 and Pro2 in the meantime... and also Wiimote+Classic Controller Pro for the heck of it, even if it lacks the R3 and L3 buttons on the analog sticks that makes some games unplayable or having to do some workaround if the game allows it, like using a keyboard in PSO2NGS to access the subpallete for example).

[@peterk1837]

Lon is king at grabbing stuff without looking down at it. It really is a skill.

[@jordancollier6716]

I thought this would all be too niche to really find something in regard to a ps4 on switch with a mayflash vs 8bitdo comparison. You my good sir put out the PERFECT video that I was looking for, thank you!

[@Eunostos]

Thanks for pointing out the multiple controllers thing - i'm pretty excited to get 'copilot' without an adaptive controller. I think this is going to be exactly what i need to show my disability service the value of this sort of tech for clients.

[@wintdkyo]

Wow, this makes my old P3 controllers useful again, especially for PC gaming!

[@kamil950]

You can use some free software to make DualShock 3 controllers to work on PC without adapter.

[@HentaiNat]

You could, but why? Why jot just buy a ds4? Or something modern

[@Eunostos]

@@HentaiNat Because there's no need to 'buy something modern' when what we have will do a great job.

[@HentaiNat]

@@Eunostos idk, ds3 never did a "great job" for me, even a good job.

[@phillipthepug7032]

@@HentaiNat Scp toolkit is the one i've used for about 3 years without any problems. You should check it out.

[@tequilawolf64]

You missed a critical issue that affects both adapters: stick accuracy. The Magic-NS (on the latest firmware) has much better stick accuracy than the 8bitdo Adapter (also on the latest firmware). Still, stick accuracy on the Magic-NS is not 1:1 compared to a native Pro Controller, which negatively affects precision on games that require inputs from the right stick to look around. The Magic-NS has around 90% accuracy, the 8bitdo has around 40% accuracy compared to a native controller.

[@Igor767]

I noticed that too, the 8bitdo has a strange precision when we talk about the sticks, and I found out about it too late, when I was testing the sticks at my switch :(

[@masterof2d926]

Where can I get more data on this about the 8bitdo controller? I have a Mayflash already but I was considering picking up an 8bitdo because it is cheaper in price

[@c0ldshock927]

@@masterof2d926 just stick with the mayflash since you already have it

[@c0ldshock927]

@Bubz of Steel I'm just assuming here, but it's probably a consistency issue. You won't go the same distance each time pressing it with the same pressure for the same amount of time

[@tequilawolf64]

The first one. The adapter gets the direction right, but between the center and the UP direction lets suppose that the Pro Controller has 10,000 thousand different values while the adapter only has 7,000. You can still move around reliably, but you can't aim with the same precision and that to me is a really big handicap. I can play games like Apex Legends on my PC with a controller EASY but I can't do the same with the Pro Controller using any of the adapters.

[@jaytee7997]

This is exactly the info I needed, thank you.

[@grimcrow21]

12:58 that's all I wanted to know. You're a saint sir, thank you.

[@jimlewis1]

The hardest aspect of using these supposedly simple devices is the very limited feedback they provide through their only LED. I have a Mayflash NS that used to pair with my Xbox controllers and just won't anymore. Honestly I was also confused by the mode, wondering whether the mode should be set for the device it is connected to, or the brand of controller. Obviously now I know, and only today realised I can also connect a Wiimote to the Mayflash on the switch. in itself, not too great, but I can also connect a wii wired controlled to the wiimote and use that. Progress! I will also try a PS' controller after seeing your demonstration. I also hadn't understood/considered the need for the two modes on the switch, but that also makes more sense after your video. Thank you!

[@theanman777]

Thanks for taking a look! Very glad to get a comprehensive review on both products.

[@stevehernandez6430]

I was looking for a video exactly like this, and happened across your video. Thank you so much, it was incredibly informative and well-produced.

[@AcirMandelloJunior]

The Wii U Pro controller also works with Mayflash Magic NS and Magic S. You can use it to play on pretty much anywhere. To pair the controller, just press the button once on the Mayflash and the sync button on the controller.

[@comixof2morrow]

Does the 8BitDo Pro 2 work with the MayFlash Magic?

[@BlayzedBlue]

I own several of the 8BitDo and Mayflash adapters. Both work great. The Maylash Magic-S has support for PS4 and not the Switch, while the Magic-NS supports the Switch but not the PS4. . Both support the Ps3.

[@georgelaney4354]

I’m thinking of getting one of these adapters, but I want to be able to play with another person. If you plug in two adapters at the same time, are you able to play two-player games with another person using two controllers? Edit: I’m referring to the Nintendo switch specifically.

[@titaniumcranium3755]

Thank you so much man. I've discovered that you can use this on a ps3 as a controller adapter aswell

[@cherpuwu5446]

Holy sh!t you deserve that Button in the background and many more Keep that excellent work

[@armyofninjas9055]

Just ordered a mayflash for a pi 4 running Lakka. Let's hope It's better than the Tiergrade I have now. Good video.

[@Sapple498]

Great, clean video! Love my Mayflash magic ns, so I bought another one!

[@Hakeraiden]

good but the main difference between this two is when you use any controller playing via bluetooth (adapter) on pc and non Steam games, you will need to charge at some point. In that case you need to plug in pc and use x360 software to convert it, if you use 8Bitdo. If you use Mayflash you don't need to connect your controller to your pc to charge and use software because it has a usb port where you can plug your controller and charge it at a same time as playing games, where 8bitdo doesn't.

[@LonSeidman]

Yes that was covered in the video.

[@italoa.b.oliveira3499]

@@LonSeidman Suggestion for new video, the difference between 8bitdo adapter (BROWN / ORANGE) and 8bitdo adapter (GRAY), they connected on PC, imput lag test

[@Josuh]

@@italoa.b.oliveira3499 they're the same

[@McobraR]

Great review. Got the 8bitdo before watching this. After finding out price of the mayflash, im happy I got the 8bitdo lol.

[@UnpaidInternn]

Aren’t they the same price? Are there any benefits of the 8bitdo that there other doesn’t have?

[@Dezlite]

Very nice review, almost zero time was wasted!

[@Luchablay]

You just saved me $90! The Magic pro Manual didn’t say anything about switching the pro controller that I could find. THANK YOU

[@shuarseneguer]

Excellent video. Thank goodness I did a little more digging into this subject. I'm definitely getting a Mayflash instead of the 8bitdo. Thank you!

[@thatannoyingkid871]

You can directly plug in Xbox 1 PS4 and Nintendo Switch controllers and translate them using Steam without a usb.

[@PikangsFutaba]

I recently got the Magic-S Pro 2 and I love it, is funny how I can use my Xbox Series/One Mass Effect PowerA wired controller on my switch, ps4 and ps3 like it's not a big deal, not to mention that my 2 8bitdo SN30 Pro 1 and 2 respectively, also works with the adaptor on non-switch consoles, making me wanting to get another one for another controller I have in the future, and to be honest... I didn't experienced input lag, and nearly all of my controllers, original Dualshock 3, original Dualshock 4, ps4 3rd party, ps3 3rd party, PowerA controllers for Xbox, the 8bitdo controllers I mentioned to have... yup, I can't go wrong and I can put some of my older controllers like the gamecube inspired Wii Classic Controllers I have into a good use.

[@PK-gf1mw]

Do the motion controls for the PS3 controller work on a Nintendo Switch? I've only seen reports of PS4 controllers working. Confirmation would be awesome!

[@anonymousperson1706]

No; they don’t. I’ve purchased the magic ns adapter, and played BOTW, but the motion controls don’t work for ps3

[@bluekewne]

I love the Mayflash because I can use my PS4 Taiko controller on Taiko on Switch.

[@joelkarito7572]

Returned the 8bitdo with the quickness.

[@camex007]

i was having problems setting up my xbox series controller on the 8bitdo, so here's hoping the mayflash will save me

[@loganschaloske3435]

Extremely thorough and well made video thank you for your help

[@harrisonjacobelbey1510]

I know absolutely nothing about this but it looks kool af

[@se1yagyn]

Great review. good to know 8bitdo is not the only brand. but next time pls test the range. my problem at home is to sit on a couch 3m and three different BT adapter i tested can't handle this range with stable connection to my livingroom pc. Edit: after I test this one. The range is high. If I will I can play at my neighbor's living room

[@NicolasGeee]

Mayflash support PS3 - blue led NeoGeo mini - yellow led PlayStation Classic - cyan led

[@dukiemonn977]

i feel like im watching a 90's infomercial. even the voice mic sound feels...retro

[@devincurrie4145]

Nice! Does these sticks work well with the Steam Deck?

[@ukm_shadowzz9542]

Finally a good review

[@simbin.]

I've been using the Mayflash Magic-NS for a while now and absolutely love it. Doesn't the 8BitDo device also support all the 8BitDo Bluetooth controllers?

[@LonSeidman]

It does but those controllers also support the switch and PC natively

[@lolalola4585]

Quick easy and well made tutorial! Ty!

[@ChadGPT67]

9:43 you gotta consider the larger the TV the larger the latency. On my traditional monitor it works unnoticeably fast.

[@charliec.972]

Excellent review

[@keithkelly5692]

How about the newer Mayflash Magic NS 2?

[@nygreek743]

Digging the Microsoft Pro 6/7 you got! :-)

[@ZombiePanda402]

Does the headphone jack work on the switch when you connect the PS4 controller?

[@LonSeidman]

Negative

[@MrSchimpf]

I'm trying to compare the newer "2" versions of both these devices and I wonder if the lag would be much better on those. I'm bending towards the Mayflash just because I'm not concerned about it as badly and it does have the USB out to preserve an input for charging.

[@100Bucks]

Buy it and combine it with a Titan 1. You're set for life. Titan 1 has a feature no other dongle has. Take PC inputs and run them on game consoles. Meaning any gamepad you got plugged inside your PC. Titan 1 can detect it and you can convert the gamepad board to any output. This feature is called Max Aim DI. You plug the Titan 1 in the game console and leave the cord that comes with it inside the PC. Of course any gamepad will run on a PC. Do the passthrough method with Max Aim DI. You're set for life no matter what controller you have. Sega Genesis USB controller working on PS5. USB Nintendo 64 controller working on Xbox series s. Firestick remote working on Nintendo switch. As long as the PC can detect the board to the device with Titan 1 and max Aim ID. It will work on any game console.

[@zeroanime01]

Help me..my 8bitdo adapter wont sync with my ds4.. Pro controller communication already on.. But it cant sync at all..i also tried update the adapter firmware to the latest version but still it wont sync...

[@olimphus26]

you didnt include input lag for ps4 controller on Switch via wireless using mayflash.

[@noelle5162]

Question, does the switch (using the MayFlash adapter) recognize the PS4 controller as a native switch pro controller?

[@PixelationMusic]

Yes it does

[@FRUMACO]

Great Review. Thanks for That Perfect Job

[@vinnydarrc3953]

Useful information sir, much appreciated. 🤓

[@MoonWatcherHeadAhh]

This video was very helpful 👍

[@fwhipplee]

Can you use it for one PS4 controller and then 3 other players with Nintendo controllers?

[@GEARSxGOD101]

Also curious about this.

[@Scxrpionz]

Yes, as the adapter acts as a pro controller with the wired connection in the settings.

[@RubizZ]

7:30 Thats usefull for using 2 joycons at the same time on a pc, mobile or something else, its the only advantage I see on the magic ns, I didnt have any problem connecting ps4 controller to the switch, switch pro controller to android (why would you connect any of them to the pc if there are already software out there if you have bluetooth, I have a bluetooth adapter so I dont have to have 2 xD)

[@serajalmansori7582]

can i connect switch controller to xbox series S ?

[@threebedrooms1076]

Sorry guys, but did he show the latency of a PS4 controller being used wirelessly with the Mayflash ??

[@02337755]

Curious if the Mayflash would pair a Switch Pro Controller with a Wii U

[@LonSeidman]

It's not compatible with the Wii U system but you can pair some of its controllers to other systems.

[@02337755]

@@LonSeidman Bummer huh? Ok thanks for getting back to me.

[@roytroy6472]

I think the 8Bitdo is enough for me, all I want is to wirelessly connect my DS4 to my Switch so I should be good

[@naliboi93]

do 8bitdo controllers (Like their SN30pro , or their DIY series) work on the Mayflash Magic NS adapter?

[@Cornelius-Slate]

I want to know as well. Any luck?

[@shocknawe]

Wait, don't they all have native integration with the Switch...? Hold Y + power.

[@Paradox524]

Genuinely curious, what if one were to plug the 8bitdo into the back of the Mayflash, while plugged into the Switch? Would 8bitdo receive Bluetooth "signal" and still output to the Switch through the Mayflash? (I hope my question isn't too confusingly worded.)

[@LonSeidman]

I think that’s feasible - it’ll show up as whatever mode the 8bitdo is set to, so Xinput with a switch pro controller would get converted back to switch !

[@carlleto]

Probably it would justo input more lag into the setup, basically.

[@SPYDCR]

Detail review thank you sir.

[@drew6448]

Which 1 is better Mayflash or 8bitdo

[@aaaa7842]

Thank you for the extensive review and comparison. I am looking for the best possible solution to hook up 4 controllers to my PC without using 4 usb jacks for that because I simply do not have that many. My Oculus Rift and 3 sensors, printer and other stuff take most of them. Is there a dongle that can support multiple controllers at once? Or perhaps use one of those 1usb to 4 splitter gadgets and hook up 4 dongles/wires to it?

[@joelkarito7572]

I'm returning the 8 bitdo I lost my paitance trying to get this to work and I'm buy the magic flash.

[@chuongquang225]

Does magic NS charge your ps4 controller while playing Switch ??

[@nicrules77]

aweseome video! if anyone can answer, do you think the controller lag will strongly affect online fighting game play?

[@TheTyphoon365]

Really appreciate the lag info, was wondering if it was viable for Smash but i think its too much lag

[@TheTyphoon365]

@GenesisGems sweet man

[@AlexStLouis-gq8kp]

Since an XBox controller to use BT Low Energy last year both the 8-bit do and Mayflash NS/NS-Pro stopped working. They have released new models that support BT LE, the "8Bitdo Wireless USB Adapter 2 " and "Mayflash NS 2". Any chance you could do a latency comparison of those two?

[@trodo_]

Can you use two controllers at the same time with the 8bitdo

[@summerwintermelon]

Hi! Have you tried 3rd party controllers? Thank you.

[@aoteman3]

what's the name of the airplane game?

[@ulfrinn8783]

You know.. I was looking at this adapter, and thought it was a pretty cool idea to have a less headache inducing way of using non x-input controllers on PC, such as the PS4 or Switch controller. But 50% extra input latency seems like a lot. I am curious how a PS4 controller using existing xinput emulation (SCP server, InputMapper, etc) would compare to a PS4 controller using the Mayflash when it comes to input latency tests..

[@jo54763]

I'm a year late here, but haved you tried DS4Windows? It worked pretty well for me when I was borrowing a friend's DS4 for use on my PC. As for switch controllers... I hate using pro controllers and equivalents on Windows, but I grabbed the 8bitdo Pro 2 and it works wired and wirelessly as Xinput, while also supporting wired and wireless switch connections.

[@xNGCyanide]

Amazing thanks

[@timbear8258]

Does it work flawlessly on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ with retropie? I may consider going the mayflash route and replace my usb SNES controllers but want to be assured mayflash is the route i should go

[@NorX50]

100ms latency seems very high to me. It's 6 frames on a 60fps game which is going to make a huge difference on the harder mario maker 2 levels.

[@ekanastone]

I'm guessing it would be less wired

[@Sapple498]

Do you think I could use the MayFlash to connect an SN30 Pro USB to an Android phone? I am going to buy it or the N30 Pro 2, and can't decide. I would buy the N30 Pro 2 if it didn't look so uncomfortable. I hope the D-Pads on them are equally as good. Thank you a lot!

[@geraldgarcia67]

tyvm im one year late already had the mayflash adapter but not touched the Nintendo switch in few months

[@marnixvandenberg]

Question: I only have wireless xbox 360 controllers. To use those on my PC, I bought a xbox360 wireless receiver. Would either the Mayflash or the 8bitdo work in combination with the wireless xbox 360 receiver if I wanted to use the controllers on the Switch? Thanks

[@theycallmeboyapollo]

mayflash! you plug the receiver into the magic-ns. I'm doing the same now 👍🏻

[@Joe-tw4cq]

Does rumble work when you connect a wii u pro controller to the switch on either of the two??

[@deterlanglytone]

With the mayflash and the multi-controllers for the one player input thing, what happens if you add like a usb hub to it?

[@LonSeidman]

Hmm that’s a good question

[@nightwinn]

@@LonSeidman Perhaps an idea for a followup video? Big fan of your work.

[@zachario223]

It will probably not change anything except the added option to plug the controllers in. They will still all most likely control player 1. This is because all the ports go through the adapter and therefore doesn't really change the functionality of the adapter. It would be nice to have an adapter that allowed multiple controllers to connect and function as multiple players, though.

[@davemontano3790]

Zachario I was wondering the same but with a Windows wireless Xbox 360 receiver to a neo geo mini. It seems that it would do the exact thing you mentioned and only let multiple controllers control player one. What if you put a usb female to 2x type c cable to each side of the neo geo mini if it would detect 2 players wirelessly with 2 mayflash adapters?

[@angelsonic]

Can you use the mayflash on an xbox one or ps4 with switch or wii u remotes?

[@dapoopta]

so you only get 1 controller per usb device?

[@sofiam141]

Yes

[@user-jackgwang]

Fantastic, I just wonder that The device also work with ipadpro 3rd?

[@LonSeidman]

No iPad compatibility

[@user-jackgwang]

Thanks for your replying

[@RomanTateSMM33]

Great and very informative video!

[@egg9829]

Could I connect wireless headphones with the may flash?

[@james9356]

Does the Mayflash save the mode you last used? Say I was using it in Xinput mode and then I remove the adapter, if I replug it, does it stay in Xinput mode, or do you have to switch modes again everytime you replug it?

[@garystinten9339]

Does this work with retroarch also? Been keen to setup a box that allows for arcade as the main MAME controller but then being able to switch over to controllers various for other systems. May need to consider making a button bus for mayflash as I'd like to be able to hit a button for each controller without having to open my case to switch over controller.

[@AleksOniszczak]

Does either dongle or dongle-controller combination wake the Switch from sleep? I tried the Mayflash with a PS4 controller and it did not work for me.

[@48cloudpierre48]

debating on getting one of these adapters to use my ds4 on my switch.. or buying the sn30 pro .. price isn't an issue i just want the best dpad and lowest input lag possible. sn30 pro has less input lag right? but i hear its dpad can have issues and i love the ds4 dpad.. hmm

[@JOHNN01.82]

I got the magic usb and had more success on my ps1 classic mini still not perfect though

[@trinhk]

Is there a way to connect to multiple PS4 controllers so I can play some multiplayer games?

[@Bigtonesmallz]

I want to use my PS4/3 controllers for my Nvidia Shield.. Will this work?

[@aaronlau4462]

Will this allow me to seamlessly transition my controller between consoles as well? No having to plug my USB to my PS controller to have it connect back to my PS?

[@l123c]

Someone tested this mayflash adapter using a 8bitdo controller on a ps3? Can you tell me if the PS button or motion controls work?

[@PemimpiX]

Hi ! Do you know if it’s possible to play with a PowerA GameCube style controller with these adapters ?

[@maxrelax5940]

I'm having trouble connecting my Xbox Elite Series 2 with the 8bitdo. It works fine with the PS4 Dualshock and the firmware is up to date so it should also work fine with the Xbox one S / X bluetooth controllers (although I dont have one to check) and I assume the Elite 2 would fall into this category. Is there something I'm doing wrong or is there simply no compatibility?

[@justinr1094]

How many milliamps for each Mayflash adapter? My USB hub cannot support more than a combined amount of 900 milliamps, and I would like to plug four Mayflash adapters into it. Any help would be super appreciated!

[@ColasTeam]

Are there any adapters like these out there that actually support multiple controllers?

[@Tommy_ZM]

Hi! I just got the mayflash, to use Xbox one a controller on switch (it works wirelessly.) BUT the rumble/vibration doesn’t work, at least during fortnite. If I hit the two buttons on the controller to adjust the rumble, that does work. But in game, it doesn’t. I have controller vibration on in switch settings. Can I get rumble to work in fortnite?

[@SivakD]

As long as it's a wired controller, will it work with Mayflash? I have a Logitech wired controller which I use for PC gaming. Just wondering if anyone happens to know. Thanks.

[@tyshen0329]

Why not just wire your Logitech controller directly to usb of your PC?

[@naliboi93]

@@tyshen0329 I think he's probably referring to using his logitech PC controller on something unsupoorted by using the Mayflash adapter - eg, using a Logitech F310 on Nintendo Switch

[@Josuh]

this is exactly what i want to know lol

[@PogueSquadron]

I think I know the answer to this, but is there anything that will let you use any of these controllers with an XBox One? It's the console out of all of them that would most benefit from a better selection! But from what I understand, Microsoft uses some kind of proprietary Bluetooth with their controllers (not well versed in the subject).

[@kitcamone]

What´s ab out the Frag FX Piranha PS4 on the PC? Do you know? Thanks!