Looking Back at the Patrick Roy Trade

It is a day that Montreal fans still don't like discussing. It's Tremblay that set the wheels in motion though.
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[@Alexander-Hatfield]

Patrick Roy. Still the last man to lead a Canadian team to the promised land. Done pissed him off so bad he put a curse on the whole damn country.

[@Jiltedin2007]

Not really, just those stupid Habs.

[@Alexander-Hatfield]

@@Jiltedin2007 as far as I know the 93' Habs were the last team from Canada to win a title.

[@Jiltedin2007]

@@Alexander-Hatfield And they’re the ones I hoped will be cursed for trading him. Must’ve been a huge slap in the face of the Habs for Roy to win the Stanley Cup with the team he was traded to back in 1996.

[@davesecx]

Love to see a detailed video about the 1992 Lindros trade.

[@TheFruitsnacks93]

Would love to see this too.

[@ClintFitzer3]

Agreed

[@answeris4217]

Lindros didn't want to play in Quebec... Well from what I understand his parents didn't want their kid to play in a French town. Lindros sat out played in the Olympics and got traded for a kings randsom and Quebec moved to Colorado and won a couple of cups.

[@davesecx]

Yeah, I was 13 years old in Philly at the time. I kind of want to hear more about what happened to all the players the Flyers traded, who the draft picks were, and what happen with the Rangers too. Would just make a good video I think.

[@answeris4217]

Dave Muscarella- There wasn't a player I have hated more in my life than E. Lindros. Just because of this ordeal. It's not that Quebec sucked but because they where in Quebec. They where open about this too. I know that Stevens escorted Brett Lindros to the bench bent him over Claude Lemieux who sucker punched. If you can lip read right after you can clearly see how much Claude Lemieux hated him. I really don't know if he wants to touch on this subject really and there was real political reasons for not going to Quebec too. At that time the seperatist movement in Quebec was at it's peak and only a few years later they had a referendum where they lost by one or two points.

[@romainlavoie1526]

Excellent analysis . HOWEVER - We need to highlight two key elements that played huge in all of this because I was at the game that night. First ! The day before the game after training a Detroit journalist asked Tremblay if the 70's Canadiens would have won all of these Cups without Scotty behind the bench. To this question Mario Tremblay responded that Bowman had very little to do with it. Hmmm ok. The journalist runs over to the Detroit's dressing room and reports the following to Scotty Bowman "" Tremblay says you had no impact in winning the Stanley Cups during the 70's """ To this question Scotty responded : "" He said that ... I guess will have to see "" Second ! So here we are the night of the game. I'm with my father who loves Scotty - and who is a real hockey savant. Five minutes into the game after McCarty had destroyed Stevenson after only 0.30 seconds of play, my father says to me "" Bowman is only playing two lines Yzerman and Larionov "" And Bowman was really sticking it to Tremblay. Federov was on the ice every time the Habs fourth and third lines were on. That was on top of playing his regular shift. Tremblay was really getting schooled. And he did loose more then he would ever know. Just look at the box score - see the plus and minus. www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199512020MTL.html The moral of the story - Unfortunately for Scotty , this act of vengeance played against him. My friends there is no question that until Colorado made this superb trade , the best team in the league was Detroit. This being said and to the credit Avalanche, their GM Pierre Lacroix smelling blood was the first one to call the Canadien's and pulled the trigger very quickly ! It is rumored that Sauve called Lacroix that night and told him everything and that Patrick would go. And I believe this to be true. Everything happened to fast. With Pierre Lacroix now gone from Covid, only Patrick could tell the story or Robert Sauve. Perhaps one day . Who knows. To continue - the deal is made ! The best player in his position for the last ten years gets to play with a team set to dominate that year ! And for Scotty this would cost him another Stanley Cup. In Western Conference Final, Detroit faces a prime and ready PATRICK ROY with his new Club ! The Colorado Avalanche ! And they take it in six. Bey Bey Scotty . Then the Avalanche went on to win the Stanley Cup - dismantling the Florida Panthers in four strait games. Patrick was remarkable versus Florida allowing only four goals in those four games. You want more moral to the story !! On Feb.5th 1996 the Canadiens are playing the Avalanche in Colorado. The Avalanche take it 4-2. With Patrick in goals of course - at the end of the game while Tremblay is crossing the ice , Patrick skates over to Mario and throws the winning puck over at him !!!! With this moment and winning the Western Finals against Bowman along winning the Cup !!! IT WAS COMPLETE

[@jasonvoorhees8545]

I remember where I was when that happened. It was front page news as well. I became an Avs fan the day of that trade.

[@fightsports66]

I remember when this trade went down. When Mike Keane was thrown in on this deal several teams said publicly that if they had known that Montreal was willing to trade Mike Keane they would have made an offer to get just him.

[@kevaninthe4135]

The Curse of Mario Tremblay is real.

[@marie2274]

Life in the 413 - I heard to remove the curse, walk around Bell Center backwards.

[@samuelwoods7832]

暗黒騎士 Ankokukishi I mean he was humiliated, so I don’t blame him.

[@dnasty312]

🤡

[@juliannadarzins1604]

Hell yeah, St. Patrick! It's weird I wasn't even born in '96 and was only 3 in '01, but I love the hometown team through thick and thin. Thanks for some Avs appreciation, Shannon!!

[@andrewpayette621]

My favourite player of all time. I have over 50 cards of his. So I was a Habs fan, then an Avs fan, then a Leafs (homer) fan when he retired. Ty for the video HG!

[@gocanuckurself1]

Wow, $4 million per year for Patrick freaking Roy. How salaries have changed.....

[@ChickNPawks]

Johnny Canuck he was making 8.5 mil in 01. That's on par with today's highest paid goalies -Price

[@jalencampbell8807]

The Hockey Guy, I couldn’t agree more with you. Mario Tremblay was the one at fault in that game. I don’t care what sport you’re coaching. If you make a stupid decision like that, your players, stars or not, are not at fault. It’s the coach. I like this video btw. 👍🏾

[@davyt0247]

How didn’t Tremblay didn’t get fired after that game???

[@carletonrutherford1799]

Every goalie has a bad game and gets shelled. Not every goalie acts like a baby and demands to be traded. Roy was, and still is a scumbag.

[@kevinbudzinski9576]

You are mistaken, Roy went over to Ronald Corey (Canadiens President) not Rejean Houle after being pulled

[@andrewpayette621]

I literally lol’d with the Mensa comment

[@petrograd4068]

Yeah, that was a nice shout out to Mensa xD

[@qualityherbsonly]

This trade still makes me smile. I was a huge fan of Roy as a kid. I started watching hockey before Colorado had a team. So I picked the Nordiques because I liked their jersey. Roy was always fun to watch the Nordiques play against. His style was like no one else. And even though the Nordiques had a better team, Roy would always keep those games close. I watched his final game in Montreal and I was so upset… until a couple days later when my dad told me the Avs got a new goalie named Roy, mispronounced of course. Lol

[@xblackcatx1312]

Roy is the greatest ever. I live in Detroit, but I love Roy. He’s my all time favorite goalie.

[@commandershepard1838]

Then you aren’t a real Detroit fan

[@xblackcatx1312]

@@commandershepard1838 speak, or at least act, with your mind as a guide, not your heart. That makes no sense. Don't be dumb like a liberal.

[@louiebili17yearsagoedited85]

xblackcatx13 Why on earth did you you bring politics into it? Nobody wants to hear political opinions on a damn hockey video...

[@timcastleman3427]

Happy for you! Found you around 99k subscribers and it's awesome to see your growth. Love the videos and great breakdown here.

[@Ryan-0413]

Rewatching video of that game, his defence really hung him out to dry. If they weren't allowing breakaways, they were allowing a guy to stand in front of the net wide open, or if they were in front of the net, they were screening Roy!

[@okyouknowwhatever]

This was also against a monster spectacular Red Wings team that outclassed the rest of the league in the regular season. 62 wins, 131 points and a +144 goal differential. Especially the Russian 5 and the Fedorov-Larionov-Kozlov line was toying with the Canadiens that game.

[@allsystemsgo8678]

Obviously when you let up nine goals your defense is playing shitty. Of course that 96 Wings team was amazing.

[@zanejones6473]

Yesterday I was actually looking for a video on this exact topic. This is awesome

[@MarquisdeSuave]

I miss the old Avs line of Mike Ricci, Adam Deadmarsh and Mike Keane. That line could shut down any line from any team.

[@randdomize858]

Love these videos on older trades Please keep making them

[@SnapeMaster]

Thanks for the video and the timeline of the event; i was overseas when all this happened and never got really a full description of what had happened and your perspective is solid. Tremblay was always a hot big head for sure.

[@ngee4925]

So glad you covered this! Nicely done!

[@ronweasley4767]

Love Roy, he’s one of my favorite goalies, they totally should’ve pulled him after 5 it’s ridiculous. Also nice jersey.

[@billwindsor4224]

Awesome job on this. Especially your research and showing the players’ later results and timeline. I’m a huge Patrick Roy fan: “two Stanley Cup rings I have in my ears” LOL. *Thanks, man!*

[@lastofusclips5291]

what's this video about? i can't hear it. i've got my two stanley cups rings plugged in my ear :D

[@rickhall3578]

I was going to tell you to turn on the subs if you can't hear...but again I guess you can't see either cause you also have 2 more rings in your eyes

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

@@rickhall3578 No, he can't see the subs with the three Conn Smyth's in the way.

[@brianhostetter5309]

Lol

[@philipcoggins9512]

When I was younger, I always looked down on Roy after this trade, and why he left Montreal, but age has told me otherwise. Also, my brother used to shoot at my head during the warmups whenever we played together, and it always pissed me off. One time lost a game because of it...

[@answeris4217]

Here's the thing that english hockey fans probably don't know is the Mario Tremblay was the French CBC's Hockey Analyst with Don Cherry's spot. His skid was to bash one player and to complement an other. Tremblay bashed Roy more than any other player. Like he would destroy Roy live on the French CBC and you know that Roy knew about it too. The Media in Montreal must have mentioned it to him. So here is and ANALYST that constantly bashed Montreal Players that becomes coach. Yeah let that sink in... Then this happens. Oh and at the Forum there was no glass behind the Montreal bench and the executives sat right behind the bench. Tremblay shouldn't have been given the job and the Execs shouldn't be accessible like that.

[@shawngillogly6873]

Yeah, I knew even as an American that Trembley had always been critical of Roy, never convinced he deserved the comparisons to Dryden he received. So he had made it his job to tear down the myth of Roy. Which isn't really compatible with having a good team either.

[@mglenn7092]

Tremblay and Roy were team-mates in Montreal before that, and it seems that they never got along. Not surprising that he kept sniping at Roy as an analyst, but it does set up the situation - sooner or later one of them would be leaving Montreal.

[@sinisterone4673]

I remember this like it was yesterday. I just wish there was footage of Roy’s first game as an Av back in Montreal

[@michaellalli7693]

Wow, great recap. Bruins fan for over 50 years, but Patrick Roy was my favorite goalie and player during that Era. Loved it that Roy won the CUP for Colorado.

[@ericbaker2025]

Excellent Video Shannon! This story never gets old and I'm a HABS fan! It was Tremblay that cursed the HABS for sure. They've not won a cup since Roy. I see Bergevin making similar mistakes the past 6 seasons he's been with Montreal as a GM and one can only hope the bleeding will stop and the HABS can be contenders once again. Huge fan of your videos! Keep'em coming!

[@WhiteEagleJeremyjf]

NOOOO WHY YOU GOTTA LOOK BACK 23 YEARS LATER 😭😭😭

[@janellemaynait]

John LeClair and Eric Desjardins for Mark Recchi was pretty bad too.

[@JeffCfreeradiorevolution]

Janel Lemay-Naït ughhh... arguably even worse,,,

[@expendablegerbil]

That wasn't really viewed as a bad trade at the time, Recchi was coming off some excellent years and although LeClair had a monster playoff run in '93 he wasn't exactly known as an elite player yet. It's only in hindsight that it became absolutely horrendous.

[@emmaduncan2991]

LeClair was okay, but his getting lined up with Lindros, was just one of those freakish things, I don't think LeClair would have been the player he became without being paired up with Lindros and Renberg. sort of like what happened to Kevin Stevens production, after Mario Lemieux.

[@mtlhabsss]

chelios for savard was pretty horrible too.

[@koreygeren2677]

Don't forget Gilbert Dionne was also part of that trade! lol

[@3kimkim3]

When Roy goes up to the Managers and said what he said is one on my favorite thing to happen is hockey...

[@luctoulouse]

Precision here: Serge Savard try to trade Roy to Colorado at the begin of 1995 season but was fired by Corey (with Jacques Demers). The player were Owen Nolan and Stephane Fiset. The detail are in Jacques Demers book.

[@Ishkur23]

As we've come to learn from Patrick Roy's coaching career, he's a bit of a prick in real life so I wouldn't lay this one solely on Tremblay. It was simply a case of two very strong personalities mixing like oil and water. Their relationship didn't start off well and it only got worse (there were rumours of the two coming to blows on several occasions, including the practice where Tremblay took a head shot at Roy). But if I were Canadiens ownership, I would've fired Tremblay. They had enough Hall of Famers in the system that finding a good coach wasn't a problem. But finding a GOAT goalie.... those are rare.

[@madeinedmundston]

Tremblay is the one who tried to use his "status" to get away with DUI! "Le Bleuet" is a ***king Prick.

[@c71score]

Thanks to whoever suggested. Big trades would be a good series after the Finalists are complete. Vids about last overall team each would be cool too.

[@kahnmashin]

Tremblay seemed to have set the wheel in motion, but someone else is far more responsible... On RDS, Vincent Damphousse once mentionned that the first time Tremblay entered the locker room and spoke English, Roy giggled at his accent. The two never looked eye-to-eye ever since that incident, and Tremblay would only speak in French after that. The two were very stubborn and would do their things their own way. Tremblay first seemed he was a right fit. He was well involved in the French media covering hockey and the Canadiens. But he had no experience behind a bench, and he and his assistant-coaches/former teammates were old-fashioned and wanted to bring order to a team that seemed nonchalant. It caused a lot of conflict with players, with Patrick Roy and Donald Brashear on the first year. As for Rejean Houle (Peanut) who would believe he could be a GM? He was spokesperson for Molson brewery before being hired. He was completely out of the hockey world at that time. He had no vision, no strategy, no philosophy on how to build a team. He just said let's win, work harder, let's win. In 1997, he didn't know whether to keep Tremblay or not, and Tremblay himself decided to quit. With trades, according to Francois Gagnon, he just tried to make everyone happy. And as for drafting, Houle hasn't drafted anyone worth mentioning. But the one who REALLY set the wheel in motion is Ronald Corey. In the early 80s, MTL was going nowhere, so he turned to a former Habs, Serge Savard who did well in the 80s. After dropping the ball in 94, Savard and Demers started the 95 season in MTL. The Habs lost 4 straight games, and Corey decided to fire them. Fired after only 4 games is really weird, and there usually is no one relevent available at that time, so I am sure he went desperate and turned towards Houle, another former Canadiens. Houle should have said no, but he said yes out of Honour for the team. Corey should have either done the move in the offseason before of after. And, he should have studied carefully who were competent candidates for becoming GM and Coach.

[@jgreenhalgh1]

I knew the basic idea thanks for explaining the whole story as a Roy fan

[@a_coleman11]

there's so much irony in all of this... 1. last Canadian team to win the cup, 1993 Canadians led by... Patrick Roy. 2. last Habs game played vs. the presidents trophy winning red wings and they lit him up in that game. 3, traded to Colorado who was recently moved from Quebec and launched arguably one of the best rivalries in the NHL against.... the red wings Montreal never went back to the finals until 2021, Roy added 2 more cups, the Wings got 3. oh and Mario Tremblay should have been fired.. that night

[@LETZGONHLdraft]

Why didn' t the Captain of the Habs (if they had one at the time) step between the coach and the roy and say, "If you got a problem with a teamate of mine you don't yell at them you come talk to me and I can help figure this out." or something like that.

[@marcusambler9210]

Hey bud! We have a guy in England that’s causing big hype over here and is set to be drafted Called Liam Kirk! Any chance on a video on him and British hockey seen as we don’t get many players drafted? Possibly go over the few British players that have been drafted and how successful they were/are?

[@Vegland]

Beautiful.. Well done brother. You are the Broduer of analytics bro... Shut out, shut out... over and over. If i dont see You on NHL soon. Gonna be pissed!

[@masonrahal6980]

There’s another layer to this situation. Jacques Demers was Roy’s biggest supporter and a close friend. Roy had roomed with Tremblay as a rookie in 1986. There was beef very early on between the 2. We, in Montreal, kinda knew the writing was on the wall as soon as Tremblay was hired. Quebec had just moved to Colorado 3 months prior. Pierre Lacroix was the GM in Colorado and had been Roy’s agent for years and, again, was one of Patrick’s best friends. We basically traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees over and egomaniacal loser coach that was fired a year later. Go Habs go?

[@robinzinger5240]

Perfect breakdown, Thanks.

[@JeffCfreeradiorevolution]

Unbelievably horrendous trade... spectacular fail! And we threw in Mike Keane... we’re still recovering!

[@Chrisman77]

Everyone involved in that trade has been retired for atleast 5 years. Your not still recovering.

[@everly-shadystudios9900]

Well said brother! New fan here... totally agree with everything you said, that was the era that I followed the most Steve Yzerman... what can you say? Nothing short of amazing , and I still live in Detroit to this day, Can you imagine if Patrick roy said "I want to go to the Detroit Red Wings?😜 holyshit!

[@4beats56]

I remember watching this on TV.

[@Bla_Razor]

Wow, I never actually knew all the details around that game/trade. Can you imagine a coach doing something like this is today's game?

[@lankancheetah]

Three years late, but Tortorella/Luongo comes to mind.

[@agentorange20]

Watching this game as a young fan of the Red Wings, it was the time of the Russian Red line on the wings being dominant. That game was waaaay over by the time it was 5-1, the swings showed all the swagger, anyone watching that would know. Watching Roy come off you could see it all there and then, Roy was never playing for the Habs again.

[@Zamppa86]

I may be a bit biased because Roy is my all time favourite goalie and damn near to be my all time favourite player but if one has to choose between Roy and Tremblay one would choose Roy 100 times out of 100.

[@IndustryLeech]

Great video. If you haven't done one of these for the Forsberg et al trade for Eric Lindros, please do. Easily the most lopsided trade in NHL history.

[@dnasty312]

If you watch Secret Base's Beef History on the Avalanche-Red Wings rivalry, this is where Patrick's hate of the Wings started while the 1995 Finals months earlier started Detroit's hate of Conn Smythe recipient Claude Lemieux. Those two arriving in Colorado the next year was a perfect storm 💥

[@Aebischer1984]

If Montreal didn’t trade Roy in 95/96 Recchi-Turgeon- V.Bure Savage-Damphousse- Keane Brunet-Koivu-Stevenson Tucker-Conroy-Brashear Malakhov-Brisebois Odelein-Quintal Daigneault- Popovic Roy Theodore That wasn’t a bad team and that centre depth was unreal. What could have been 🤦‍♂️

[@JeffKing310]

Very good review of the situation

[@308AlYsSa0034]

I love talking and reliving this trade

[@WarReport.]

I happened to watch this as a young kid on the old cbc french channel and was wondering why Detroit was scoring so much and Patrick being shelled and seeing hin made fun of by fans. I was young and just getting into hockey and at the age where Roy is known among school boys to be the best and you cant understand why a team would trade the best. Little did I know I was witnessing hockey history.

[@GF-wi6qi]

I still get nightmares of Roy saying the words😰 and I wasn’t born for a while after

[@concerts4life100]

Amazing when management puts their ego and pride ahead of the success of the team they "Head Coach, GM & President" implode. The game on 12/2/1995 occurred the day before my 20th birthday and I was at the New Jersey Devils at NY Islanders game and my eyes opened like saucers when I saw the game was 9-1 in favor of Detroit only in the 2nd period.

[@prunepanthormanofprunes7686]

Hey The Hockey Guy. I was wondering if you would,if you haven't done one already, do a vid on the career of Eddy the eagle?

[@laurentco]

He actually said, “I've played my last game as a Hab” to Ronald Corey, the Habs president who was sitting behind the bench at the time, not Rejean Houle. There were discussions about the wisdom of having the team president sitting there without as much as glass between the players and the president. (There was no glass behind the Canadien's bench at the time.)

[@stevensmith5160]

I remember clearly that Saturday night game and where I was. I understood right then that something was going to happen I hoped that Tremblay was going to be fired. The next days I was hoping they would make peace . The first thing that Tremblay said when he came in the Canadiens dressing room on the first day he started coaching was « from now on the boss here is me » while looking at Patrick Roy’s direction From day one there was sparks flying between them two . I was good friends with one of the training staff. So when that incident happened during the Red Wings blowout I knew something bad was happening. After that the Montreal Canadiens where never the same team.

[@ladscrimpton8590]

The fact that he completely ignored Roy is ridiculous. If he had just told Roy, "hey, I'm leaving you in, I want you to practice X, Y, and Z while you're in the net," maybe it would have ended differently. It's still classless to leave your goalie in the game in a situation like that, but at least the dialogue would have been there, and there would have been some reason given for it. When he just ignored Roy, the only conclusion you can draw is that he left Roy in out of spite to humiliate him. Tremblay could not have handled that situation any worse than he did, my goodness.

[@michaeldykstra6317]

don't blame roy for saying ive played my last game for the canadians their management was trash back then it was a miracle they even won the stanely cup in 93

[@evanoscherwitz1434]

Michael Dykstra we won because of Saint-Patrick

[@staffan144]

Montreal won in 93? Then Roy must have won 3 cups in total (since Colorado won 2 after that)?

[@ryans413]

Hey love your videos but here's a suggestion for a video when you got time for it. How about a video about each NHL arena what you think of them witch ones you like I can't remember if you did do this if so my apologies

[@BrettHornby]

Now Patrick Roy and Mario Tremblay are in an Uber Eats commercial. Also made reference to 9-1 in the commercial.

[@Jiltedin2007]

Face it, without Patrick Roy the Stanley Cup would never have been in Denver!

[@fishfoolishness4222]

Maybe, maybe not. The rest of that team was outstanding to say the least. Roy was the icing on the cake .

[@tonybleau6219]

@@fishfoolishness4222 No. Roy was the missing piece and their best and most important player with only Sakic being on that same level for their cup wins.

[@kel9855]

Well Denver won a Cup without Roy. Makar, McKinnon, Rantanen were no slouch...

[@Jiltedin2007]

@@kel9855 Yeah, a good 20 somewhat years after Roy retired.

[@thaturaniumguy]

Small mistake @8:17 Patrick told Ronald Corey - not Réjean Houle - that this was his last game in Montréal.

[@Hallucination]

After that blow out loss to Detroit Patrick Roy had actually told the Habs that he would stay if they let Trembley go and Houle's exact words were '"For the credibility of our organization we need to stick with our coach" .... Trembley resigned from his position 9 months later. So yeah, real credible move for the Habs organization. Unreal.

[@MrFreddy123]

Mario Tremblay is a fucking legend where I'm from. Our hometown arena bears his name and there's a restaurant to his name too. It's a shame lol

[@ScarecrOmega]

As a Wings fan I loved this game and I remember it vividly watching it live on TV.

[@seancosgrove1]

I wholeheartedly disagree with the assessment that "the team who gets the best player in a trade, wins the trade". Trades are seen as mutually beneficial. The Minnesota Vikings acquired Herschel Walker, who at the time was seen as a stud running back. In exchange, they gave away a ridiculous amount of prospects and draft picks, helping the Cowboys build a Super Bowl winning team. If the Islanders traded Tavares, or if the Senators traded Karlsson, and in exchange got something like 4 first round draft picks for which to build their team, I wouldn't say they lost the trade because they gave up an excellent player who would eat up a lot of cap space.

[@primemcmanus]

rentedmule83 the thing is Colorado won two Stanley Cups with Roy, Montreal did fuck all after trading Roy.

[@seancosgrove1]

Upper Bowl Hockey But would Monteal win with a frustrated Roy on a bad team? Probably not. He had 7-8 years left in his career. It couldve easily ended without another title for the Habs with Roy.

[@gynandroidhead]

It was the genius of Jimmy Johnson and the staff of the Dallas Cowboys for having the ability to kick ass on those picks. If they had traded Herschel Walker and fanned, history would've judged this quite differently, and for good reason. Back to this one, I feel that the die was cast and Ronald Corey was trading him anyway.

[@AraSagherianFilms]

good analysis buddy.

[@maxlee6739]

I’ve heard this story many times but never in such great detail. Fenomenal work. The Lindros trade should be next.

[@JohnoO_O_]

have you done a video on the career of patrick lalime yet?

[@shrihithtalapaneni9227]

The real irony is that the Wings basically created a situation where they stopped themselves from having a true dynasty (or Maybe NJ, but probably Detroit) by beating Roy so badly he left. I guess for Roy you lose the battle, go to Colorado, and get 2 Cups and win the war (Probably should have at least one more).

[@kel9855]

Without Roy in Colorado, would Detroit had been a dynasty? Probably. Let's look at the what-ifs. 1996 Without Roy, Detroit advanced to the finals and trounced the Panthers 1997 Detroit 1998 Detroit 1999 Dallas 2000 Dallas represented the west anyway, but lost to Jersey 2001 The Blues would have represented the west, they'll probably lost to Jersey in the Cup final 2002 Detroit In other words, Detroit would have won 4 Cups in 7 years, while Jersey would have won 4 Cups in 9 years.

[@satyricon9955]

hey shannon. do a video on the edmonton oilers and wayne gretzky trade. and why just because a small market team that wins stanley cups, doent make them rich enough to keep their stars.

[@jonasfolkesson6609]

Pleas do a look back at the Lindros trade!

[@jean-sebastienprimeau7454]

It's funny because I had a talk about the trade with a colleague earlier last week and we both agreed that this trade was crap and we couldn't help but wonder two things: 1 - What would've happened if Peanut woud've kept Roy. 2 - What would Montreal have gotten had they traded with someone else. Because this happened due to the fact that LAcroix and Houle were buddies mainly, my opinion, and I am pretty sure Roy was worth more than the bunch of guys we got for him. But it's in history now, I'm a Habs fan, I live in Montreal and I like videos like this and aren't afraid to say that Colorado won the trade. Heck it's quite obvious! lol

[@American_Observer]

The team that acquire the best player doesn’t always win the trade. See the Herschel walker trade. However I love this video because Roy is my favorite athlete.

[@rozzie101]

I'm not a Habs fan, not really. But saying that, I liked Roy in Montreal. I had watched the highlight if the Roy/Habs being blown out by the Wings.... and I was amazed. By wasn't Roy pulled.

[@stuartwall8]

Looked back at this, Tremblay looked like he was laughing after 3rd or 4th goal. Jagr and Roy were guys i liked as i started watching hockey.

[@stamper300]

Hey, can you discuss the Ron Francis trade to Pittsburgh?

[@georgewyatt2924]

I'm a life-long Habs fan. One of the things that distinguishes the team is how they support their alumni, and SOMETIMES that works to their detriment. MT was not the best coach. Hard ass tactics do work as often today as they did pre-expansion and pre NHLPA. As for Reggie - everyone still loves him. I played in the Toe Blake golf tournament about 10 years ago and many, many Habs alumni showed up. I asked a few players why so many of them came out and the reply was almost universal, "when Reggie calls, we come." And HG, you are correct, Patrick doesn't hate Montreal. He'd love to be GM or coach there and bring a Cup. Is he the right guy? I love Patrick for what he contributed, especially in '93, but I'm not sure. MSL seems to have made the players better again. Style matters.

[@broadstreet21]

Believe it or not, the Habs rebounded after the trade, making the playoffs, every year, ironically, until Tremblay left. Keep in mind, they missed the playoffs the year before, was on pace to miss it this season before the trade. Of course, they didn't vaunt into Cup contention like the Avs.

[@Nickleblanc41]

As a goalie if in that situation at 7-1 im just skating to the bench and pull myself out

[@CaptainRoryDorkhole]

I seem to remember Montreal having 2 defensemen playing their first NHL games that night and then losing another regular D to a 5 minute major. Could be wrong ? Been trying to block that night out of my head for 20 odd years.

[@laurentco]

Getting Mario Tremblay to coach the Habs would be like getting Esa Tikkanen to coach the Oilers.

[@PunkEng013]

Roy stated during a French radio interview a few months ago that not being pulled earlier in the game was just the straw that broke that camel's back. He disagreed with the low level of expectation set by management at the time stating that the goal was to "make the playoffs and see what happens" while Patrick Roy was still looking to win more Stanley cups. He felt that they had the group of players to do it again if they pushed hard enough. However, GM Reggie Houle wanted to temper expectations to avoid putting too much pressure on the team. Roy being the competitor that he is, I can easily see how a a conflict of attitudes could have developed. Now, I know that this version has been watered down for the media, but, remembering how Reggie would always side-step questions regarding the Stanley Cup, I'm inclined to believe that the difference in expectations could have played a role.

[@expendablegerbil]

Thanks for making me relive one of the worst day of my fandom life. I watched that game live on TV and I'm kind of glad I wasn't at the Forum that day or I'd probably still be in jail for murdering Mario Tremblay. Mario "blueberry" Trembley and Rejean "peanut" Houle - or the Crap Snackers as I like to call them - absolutely destroyed what was always a very good team up until they came around.

[@Aijaleena]

Wait! Patrick Roy has a book? I've waited for all these years that when he will write that God damn book ;)

[@DARK24-7]

So many storylines here-Quebec loses team to Colorado(then the franchise wins first cup.),Roy from Montreal to biggest rival(Que)Col,Roy delivered MON 2 cups(86,{runner up in '89},93),first year after trade(96) cup to Col.Then for a kicker another in '01...sheesh!!!

[@emmaduncan2991]

Roy grew up a Nords fan, of course, his first choice would be his first choice.

[@mathewlee5712]

@10:51 The Habs had already fired Jacques Demers and GM Serge Savard after a 0-5 start. No way the Habs were going to fire a 2nd coach in a couple of months. No way Réjean Houle would've sided with Patrick Roy over his buddy Mario Tremblay. It's no secret that Serge Savard was planning to trade Patrick Roy who was at the time on a decline. It's easy to criticize Mario Tremblay now, but many forget that the Habs were on a roll. Tremblay set an NHL record for the most consecutive wins by a rookie coach.

[@patch8376]

As much as I never wanted this to happen, it did. Once it happened and there was no going back, I think Montreal could have done a lot worse in the trade. Houle had to act at the drop of a hat. Roy was irreplaceable anyway. Also, the Habs needed scoring. Nothing new. Kovalenko was expected to help bring it but didn't, and Rucinsky broke out and ultimately did. I like how on the whiteboard the Vezinas and cups are included as part of the trade. Anyway, we got what we deserved. Mario may have been mainly at fault, but not solely.

[@JeffCfreeradiorevolution]

Patch 83 they should’ve demanded Sakic or Forsberg. Kovalenko was a fucking bum... Rucinsky was decent and had chemistry with Damphousse... not nearly enough though...

[@lifeofaustin1062]

Thibault is one of my all time favourite goalies! probably only behind Johan Hedberg

[@TheHockeyGuy]

Moose was a great guy.

[@juliangrenon-grekin5954]

I loved thibault growing up.. first fave goalie .. met him when I was 8.. then again when I was 12 when he came back to montreal. Awesome fellow.

[@tonybleau6219]

Hedberg haha weird pick to have as a favourite! Any particular reason why?

[@francoisbouvier7861]

Great video. Tremblay wasn't a bad hockey player but absolutely a terrible coach. Corey was the undoing of the franchise.

[@davyt0247]

One of my friends is a Habs fan, he doesn’t like discussing this game and trade. If it had been me, after that 4th goal I would have said to the back up, you have 30 seconds to get ready. Or at least during the first intermission I would have asked Roy, “you want out? It’s been rough today.” Edit: why didn’t the GM demand the sun moon and stars for Roy???

[@cootriley6]

3 Conn Smythe Trophies- Awesome!

[@tIhIngan]

Good video

[@MrPreacher84]

This was the 1995-96 Season. They did make the playoffs that season.

[@kevinbudzinski9576]

Tremblay should have pulled Roy after the first period that night

[@marknarain6617]

trembly did not like roy

[@dnasty312]

@@marknarain6617 Weren't they roommates in the past too?

[@davyt0247]

@@dnasty312 they were teammates at one point