Loop Pedal Buyer's Guide! Which Loop Station is right for you? BOSS RC-500 vs RC-300 and MORE!

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Ben Rowlands Music

Ben Rowlands Music

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@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Learn more about all of Loop Station in today's video with my Ultimate Guides! - www.benrowlandsmusic.com
@bluenotgreen63
@bluenotgreen63 2 жыл бұрын
I get bored when I see musicians showing how to use a foot pedal looper… with their hands? Makes me keep my RC1 and not want to purchase any other so called updated loopers. Maybe that’s just me. Certainly there has to be someone out there who has enough intelligence to invent a Hands free Looper that has all the bells and whistles.
@Dubski
@Dubski 2 жыл бұрын
Great overview of these loop pedals, but I'm wondering which one makes the best cup of tea?
@rbaleksandar
@rbaleksandar 3 жыл бұрын
How on earth is a loop pedal with 10-15 buttons good for beginners...?
@jrockofages5413
@jrockofages5413 2 жыл бұрын
My shirt has 13 buttons. Had it figured out in a week.🙃
@fgonzalez90
@fgonzalez90 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! 6:50 AFAIK, the RC-300 uses 16-bit WAV files (not MP3!)
@johnriley8314
@johnriley8314 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos Ben...VERY INFORMATIVE man. Detailed & to the point is what I like , and NO B/S either...cool enuff man. Keep up the GREAT work and Stay Safe All....
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Thank you! Stay safe!
@MichaelMacherey
@MichaelMacherey 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but the background music was sometimes too loud, and distracting me from you talked about!
@aaronjohnston120
@aaronjohnston120 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see some constructive criticism instead of just trash talking
@underseacreature2088
@underseacreature2088 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like BOSS commercial. I couldn’t get through the vid
@arturmouradian6356
@arturmouradian6356 3 жыл бұрын
What about the RC 202? Thanks for the great content!
@leftbehind4030
@leftbehind4030 3 жыл бұрын
Would love it if you could get your hands on the Aeros by Singular Sound,you might need a Beat Buddy too & yes its all a bit pricey but I think you could do wanders with it
@lolaa2200
@lolaa2200 3 жыл бұрын
OMG it has more bits !!!! well so what ? the only question is does it have enough then you can add as many as you want and it does just nothing but turning on young players when reading specs.
@jpankis7851
@jpankis7851 3 жыл бұрын
First coment :v dude you are funcking amazing am going to share to all the fucking world and you deserved
@danielpineda2165
@danielpineda2165 3 жыл бұрын
Hello I have just bought your Boss rc 300 loop course in Udemy, and It is so great can you please make one of rc 500? Thank you
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Daniel!! Thank you so much for picking up the class! Yeah my RC-500 course is out now! You can check it out here: www.udemy.com/course/boss-rc-500-loop-station-the-ultimate-guide/?referralCode=D25FA13D2BFD7A56F8B3 Thanks for the support! Have fun with your loop pedal!
@danielpineda2165
@danielpineda2165 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenRowlandsMusic Thank you I am going to buy It, with the quality of your videos soon you will have millions of subscribers 👍🏻. Do you have a patreon account?
@howardtaylor229
@howardtaylor229 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Suggestion: use a little more lighting when doing close-ups so people can see the inputs/outputs and labels on them. Pan slower. Keep up the good work.
@OverJam52
@OverJam52 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid but for my needs still lacking a more in-depth review, specially regarding midi capabilities, midi clock syncing etc. Etc. The RC-5 has a midi input but I’m not sure if it can accept midi clock input.
@antonio.guerrieri
@antonio.guerrieri 3 жыл бұрын
I bet it will be called RC-1000 😉
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
That is a fair guess!! Good chance of it! Time will tell!
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard 2 жыл бұрын
The main thing I need is the ability to pre-record LOTS of loops and with the click of one button or food-switch, go from loop 1 to loop 2, then to loop 3, etc etc.
@Skatedonut1847
@Skatedonut1847 2 жыл бұрын
Even if you had a looper like that it would be really hard to use it in practice because of varying tempos and the whole point of the looper is to show the creation of the loop to your audience. Your better off just getting an audio interface and making a backing track custom fit to what you are trying to play
@dancingclair
@dancingclair 2 жыл бұрын
Most human band members can be operated with a food switch
@RealShinyDummy
@RealShinyDummy 2 жыл бұрын
The RC600 can do this! It’s called “single mode” as opposed to the default “multi mode” and I’ve just started using it! It’s pretty cool
@exsight3047
@exsight3047 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ben. Want to watch your comparison video for Boss rc10r vs Singular Sound aeros with Beat buddy, and video with simple new loopers from Pigtronix, and MXR in the future. About this video - Great job, you are one of the most interesting new guy on KZbin.
@mikeconlonmusician1607
@mikeconlonmusician1607 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx Ben. Great vid mate.. answered alot of questions for me🤙🤙
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
No problem 👍Glad it helped!
@dethsyndrome
@dethsyndrome Жыл бұрын
Would the boos rc1 be enough being that i have a looper on my me80 and plan on playing to backing tracking from my tablet plugged into the aux in?
@WillEvansMusic
@WillEvansMusic 3 жыл бұрын
What is the foot switch you are linking with the rc 505?
@taylormcc
@taylormcc 3 жыл бұрын
Great info, but the background music is disorienting. Voluming it down a bit mgiht be more effective.
@john-nx4xn
@john-nx4xn Жыл бұрын
I have a harmonica, microphone and amplifier. What ELSE do I need and what loop do you suggest. I'm a beginner. THANKS
@HubertMessenger
@HubertMessenger Жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, thank you very much for the detailed explanations, which I find very helpful. But may I also make a suggestion regarding the design of the video? It is extremely exhausting to listen to you for longer than 5 minutes because on the one hand you speak very fast (!) and on the other hand the accompanying images also rush across the screen at a frequency that their information potential (i.e. what reaches the recipient and sticks) is close to zero. It would be very pleasant if all the information was blown out at a speed that also gave the receiver the opportunity to.... receive ;-) Hope, you don't understand me wrong... Thank you very much!
@jjcevallos12
@jjcevallos12 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how much I will watch your channel but I subscribed because of how well your video was planned and edited. It was amazing. All around perfect video.
@geldeddonkey7320
@geldeddonkey7320 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ben any chance of a trio bandmaker and a rc500 used together . Id like to copy something i put in the trio into the RC500? Ive an older Trio that doesn’t save but the RC does. 🇦🇺 scott
@MalcolmRobbins
@MalcolmRobbins 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben i am a newbie planning to buy a looper but which one I am a sax player and windsynth player and I wont be giving just using the looper to record stuff what would you recommend
@RobertChambersJr
@RobertChambersJr Жыл бұрын
What's the pedal called you use for the beat boxing looper?
@Joyboy027o
@Joyboy027o 5 ай бұрын
Should I buy boss rc 50 in 2024? I want to start live looping shows and wonder which one to buy
@juliusaitken
@juliusaitken 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Ben. Can you tell me which of the top end loopers have a retrospective record function? Ie you”re improvising along until you hit the killer riff/melody/beat and you want to capture that 1/2/4 bar section into the looper. In my eyes this is better than hitting record and hoping you play the killer part correctly. Maybe they all do this - i’m new to these gadgets! Thanks.
@TheFeddman
@TheFeddman 3 жыл бұрын
Man this would be such an awesome feature
@FusRoMoose
@FusRoMoose 2 жыл бұрын
All I can think of is Ableton but it’s no pedal
@duncanjames8905
@duncanjames8905 Жыл бұрын
That's all good and well but when will you finish repairing Woody?!
@russpettit1697
@russpettit1697 3 жыл бұрын
can you split the loop and main outputs with the rc 500 like you can with the rc 300 which you do with the sub outs. I use two amps one for my loop sound only and one for my Main sound only the separation sounds better thanks
@yagilweiss9158
@yagilweiss9158 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m trying to decide which looper to buy between rc500 and Mhx 95000. I’m afraid the 16-bit on the mhx will be not as clear but it also it has many channels so I won’t need to over dub much probably. I want to practice, create/write music and preform with singing, precision and classical guitar so sound quality is very important and many channels can be very helpful. Do you hear a difference between 32 and 16 bit also without many overdubs? Which looper do you recommend?
@ironmandelboy
@ironmandelboy 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, love watching your videos learned so much . Quick question I hope . I’m 62 years old and okay acoustic guitar ( Taylor GS MINI and 412ce) . I am intending to begin busking in Spain where I now live . I’ve never used a loop pedal . I had been looking at the RC30 for ages then they bring out the Rc500. So which one Ben , beginner looper , I want to loop my voice as well had guitar and use the drum beats . Any advice appreciated . Thanks
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thanks! The BOSS RC-500 has a great modern feature set! The only major benefit of going with the RC-30 for busking would be the extended battery life .The RC-30 has a much longer battery life compared to the RC-500. This video here may help you further! Best of Luck! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqe9aGxmnNysgKM
@ronfromoregon2709
@ronfromoregon2709 8 ай бұрын
Hey greets advice. What is the best way to record vocals and guitar all in one ?
@monikab.6540
@monikab.6540 Жыл бұрын
Great job! To the point, and all the right information for an intro to looping pedals with practical commentary. Thank you!
@motokev2727
@motokev2727 3 жыл бұрын
I want AUX-IN on the RC500 You messed up BOSS
@jonasgrunberger5382
@jonasgrunberger5382 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible for one of the loopstations to put each instrument to a dedicadet amp?
@aaron6a
@aaron6a Жыл бұрын
Informative, subscribed, nice work!
@-tomcatblues-4680
@-tomcatblues-4680 3 жыл бұрын
just what i need
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Hope it helps!
@83giffy
@83giffy 2 жыл бұрын
This is a horrible comparison video. Too many Boss items.
@striderQED
@striderQED Жыл бұрын
How do I upgrade Boss RC500 to use MIDI pedal
@jeffbrinkerhoff5121
@jeffbrinkerhoff5121 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, concise, to the point, very informative. Gave me much food for thought. I've used my trusty RC-50 for years but always like to keep up on new tech. Thanx
@FastRCToys
@FastRCToys Жыл бұрын
The MPC Loop Station is the best !
@rafaelunplugged
@rafaelunplugged Жыл бұрын
But why are you always yelling lol
@HardwoodFloorRefinishing101
@HardwoodFloorRefinishing101 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, love your channel. The LCD screen on my RC-300 has gone blank so I cant read any titles, input titles, or anything that requires use of the screen, editing etc..The red track numbers 1 - 99 are still visible, as are all other lights..do you know how I can fix this? Thank you
@andreasbjorklund3187
@andreasbjorklund3187 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, do you know if I can midi sync rc 500 to rc 300 to creat 5 tracks perfectly synced ? (I have a RC 300 already but sometimes miss a 4 th track!)
@DUSTINBARTRUM
@DUSTINBARTRUM 2 жыл бұрын
that guitar thooooo holy shit
@LadyBGoode-gr8wm
@LadyBGoode-gr8wm 3 жыл бұрын
I like you. You have the same Nord keyboard as I! :)
@lynneftw
@lynneftw 2 жыл бұрын
Are you Welsh?
@lauriehwrdlh
@lauriehwrdlh 3 жыл бұрын
I have to say I'm feeling a little sorry for the RC10r, it got a bad wrap and as a result is being left out of these discussions. Yes I completely agree on launch it was a bit of a car crash. However, the firmware updates and some practice it really is solid. Yes I think the RC500 is the better pure 2 track looper overall but the RC10r really can pull out a very good drum support on solo live looping especially if you do live improvisation looping or song writing.
@fgonzalez90
@fgonzalez90 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a RC-10R? How does it work with an external MIDI foot controller?
@lauriehwrdlh
@lauriehwrdlh 3 жыл бұрын
@@fgonzalez90 Hi, yes I have the RC10r but will also likely get an RC500. I haven't used it with a midi switch but it can be done. I use two FS-5U to do track selection and things like that.
@lauriehwrdlh
@lauriehwrdlh 3 жыл бұрын
The midi and controller functions are very easy to setup. They have a menu setting in the menu and you can plug in the device and just select which bits are doing which. I'm thinking of investing into a 4 switch midi controller
@osodan9255
@osodan9255 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that automatically generated subtitles are in korean just kills me. Google really feels it.
@Peaceful_Days
@Peaceful_Days 2 жыл бұрын
Can I record the rhythm guitar from a verse/chorus with a loop pedal and then play it later on when I want to play a solo over this loop? I don't think it's a good idea to hire a solo guitarist to play a 30 second solo once in a song when I can play it myself.
@dezscott46
@dezscott46 3 жыл бұрын
What holiday season still on lockdown in the Uk . Thanks for the movie on all the loopers just after weeks off looking at reviews just ordered the RC5 and getting delivered tomorrow. Update just been delivered 8am Sunday Morning less the 20 hours from ordering from PMT
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Have fun with your RC-5!! Hope you enjoy it and stay safe! All the Best, Ben
@dezscott46
@dezscott46 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenRowlandsMusic Cheers Ben .wife on lockdowm im still working them Stairlifts dont repair themselves
@Oasis4U2NV
@Oasis4U2NV Жыл бұрын
Great review, however I'm not sure why you're saying the RC-300 is mp3 16-bit when the user guide specifications state this: Recording/Playback Maximum Recording Time: Approximately 3 hours (stereo) Maximum Phrase Memory: 99 Number of tracks: 3 Data Format: WAV (44.1 kHz, 16-bit linear, stereo)
@pvpglobal7612
@pvpglobal7612 2 жыл бұрын
Lm
@raywong6765
@raywong6765 3 жыл бұрын
boss rc300?: just not enough for me. Looperboard?: it just a rubbish. I don’t know why it always has crash and restart again again and again. Sonnit looper?: I think it perfect for me. I really want to get one, but the company never reply me any messages. Fxxk
@precisionsoundworksstudio
@precisionsoundworksstudio Жыл бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@andrewp8641
@andrewp8641 3 жыл бұрын
Most incredibly useful commentary. Thank you!!! I was having the hardest time understanding the differences between the different models of loopers and you are the only one that has demystified it for me. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
@robertsikkema8505
@robertsikkema8505 2 жыл бұрын
Hit record, run mouth for 13 minutes. I don't think there was any plan behind this recording outside of talking until his brain felt empty,
@samyboy7489
@samyboy7489 2 жыл бұрын
Is that bubbles?
@BrankyMusic
@BrankyMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in the rc-300 because I think I really need those three separated controls for three channels that will probably make my life easier. But do you still think if I'm playin acoustic I don't really need a better conversion quality?
@philippephil99
@philippephil99 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! I Love Loop Pedales and I am actually playing with one today; especially with some Loop Stations for my guitare and my voice and it is so so much fun!!! I can be my very own One Man Band with this thing!!!! XOOXXO!!!! Some Thousand Thanks my friends!!! OXOXOXXO!!!!!! @Philippe Bouchard!!!!!
@snagaragpicruag
@snagaragpicruag 2 жыл бұрын
Subtitles??
@adamzukmusic4562
@adamzukmusic4562 3 жыл бұрын
I am a loop artist, I run vocals (for singing verses, beat-boxing, and looping harmonies,) an acoustic guitar, an electric guitar, and a keyboard into a 4-channel mixer, and run a single line out into my 720 looper. I want multi-tracks, something with more features so I can be more versatile and dynamic with my live performance. Was eyeing the 500 or the ditto x4? My 720 is 24-bit, I tried the rc-300 but holy crap that 16-bit is atrocious. What is the best loop pedal for me? The reason the ditto x4 is so attractive to me is the one mode that repeats the same moment, and the fade out, etc, those fx are seemingly the best fx I’ve seen on a looper from what I’ve seen, but I’ve meard it’s not Reliable for live performance and that the stop button isn’t easy to use, it’d be nice if you did a video on tha pedal. I am swimming in these options and don’t know what to get, I’m leaning towards the 500 I think Based on your videos. It’s a shame these companies don’t get with it and really just make a premium pedal that doesn’t sacrifice any features! I’d pay top dollar
@precisionsoundworksstudio
@precisionsoundworksstudio Жыл бұрын
Fantastic overview! Any thoughts on the TC Electronic Voicelive 3 Extreme?
@TheunknownMercenary1
@TheunknownMercenary1 3 жыл бұрын
Thaaaank you so much
@D.2023
@D.2023 Жыл бұрын
Realy enjoyed the high resolution side camera views, the proffesionally highlighted skin really emits that healthy luscious glow we all like
@petrvyhlidal9685
@petrvyhlidal9685 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, cool video, it helped me deciding thanks a lot! :) Just a question.. how many cameras do you have? :D
@EchadLevShtim
@EchadLevShtim 3 жыл бұрын
Who composes music and thinks 2 tracks is enough.... Maybe for someone with a guitar in a bar.
@acousticsong-guitarco964
@acousticsong-guitarco964 3 жыл бұрын
You can overdub endlessly on a one track looper. It’s a looper, not a sequencer. Composing can be done without a looper as well...
@forthmember
@forthmember 2 жыл бұрын
I need a looper pedal that is set to a tempo, but I don’t want all the extra stuff like rhythm sections and effects. any suggestions? might just get an RC-202
@jsk8drummer
@jsk8drummer 3 жыл бұрын
On the rc500 can I play both tracks at the same time? For example maybe I have a drum track or some sort of percussive rhythm saved on track 2, and I’m using track 1 to play and loop some stuff on my guitar. Can I hit track 2 at a certain point in my song to have that rhythm come in without stopping or effecting the loop on track 1? Sorry if this is a silly question I’m still learning about loopers.
@joeking433
@joeking433 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to me there comes a point where it's just better to use a 8 track recorder or a DAW unless you're using it for busking.
@MaiaDreams
@MaiaDreams 3 жыл бұрын
Great! Could you maybe share which is the external midi pedal you use for the RC 505..? Thanks!
@josephfilipow
@josephfilipow 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering the 505 foot switch question. I wondered if it would get destroyed not used on a desktop
@millerbeez9310
@millerbeez9310 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this! Very informative, comprehensive and entertaining!
@antonio.guerrieri
@antonio.guerrieri 3 жыл бұрын
Ben, tnx!
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
No Problem!
@bradleyansonwinslow3271
@bradleyansonwinslow3271 3 жыл бұрын
C’mon no Aeros? I love you Ben but this is not the full story!
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't tested that looper so didn't mention it as I have no experience with it! I shall try my best to get hold of one in the future. Lots of people too have been wanting me to do a video on it! All the Best, Ben
@Razorman75
@Razorman75 2 жыл бұрын
Are there any looper pedals that have a separate output for drums and guitar loops?
@jokercell682
@jokercell682 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown of all these pedals. Your videos are always clear and informative.
@cjCONDAD
@cjCONDAD 3 жыл бұрын
"Right now the best possible loop pedal you could is the Boss RC-500" - LMAO: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6q7l3qFj96srJY - watch it choke when slaved to midi clock and read the comments. Love you Ben, but seriously, have Boss give me call.
@nerad1994
@nerad1994 3 жыл бұрын
Can I loop a guitar and a mic simultaneously on the 500? Oh cool looks like it can :D
@OscarRios
@OscarRios 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s say you have a loop with 10 dubs. Can you stop or delete dub# 6?
@bradenforrest1848
@bradenforrest1848 2 жыл бұрын
Can you plug a actual bass and loop a bass line with any of these?
@eeddingt
@eeddingt 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent guide (even though newer models are out). Great info and presentation.
@Melonos
@Melonos 2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video!! Thank you.
@motokev2727
@motokev2727 3 жыл бұрын
I like the layout of the 505. What bit is the 505
@ingersollmusicacademy
@ingersollmusicacademy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Dude.
@songsofallah0074
@songsofallah0074 3 жыл бұрын
Boss should update rc 300.
@AyanelDv
@AyanelDv 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh a perfect guide
@JDNicoll
@JDNicoll 3 жыл бұрын
Hey folks, here’s what I think is the best loop pedal solution: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoOapI2lo9h0ic0
@lucianacastoldi
@lucianacastoldi 3 жыл бұрын
can you tell me what is that round drum station you have at the end of the video??? thanks!
@crnkmnky
@crnkmnky 3 жыл бұрын
It is probably a Roland HandSonic.
@CamelJoebo
@CamelJoebo 3 жыл бұрын
Top notch reviews, thanks a lot!
@kuya.martinjcoofficial9846
@kuya.martinjcoofficial9846 3 жыл бұрын
My dream loopers..🙏
@bigslav5043
@bigslav5043 3 жыл бұрын
thanks ben . top guide.
@rudraanshkothari9403
@rudraanshkothari9403 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video dude! Very helpful for beginner 🔥
@mrjonbud1
@mrjonbud1 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, really enjoying your videos! I’m thinking of buying a looper pedal to give a bit more variation to my live acoustic set. I’m looking for something that has at least 2 channels and has built in effects such as reverb and delay that can be assigned to the different channels. Eg. reverb on the vocals and delay and reverb on the guitar. From what I’ve learned so far it seems like the RC 300 is the only pedal that has this capability. Is this correct or are there other options? Thanks, Jon.
@Rlezify
@Rlezify 3 жыл бұрын
thanks mane
@georgearchibald4773
@georgearchibald4773 3 жыл бұрын
Nice glasses
@martinaleksandrov7080
@martinaleksandrov7080 3 жыл бұрын
Hi again! I have issues when using RC-5 as midi slave device to Machine software. Glitches / Artefacts! I had the same with RC-505 (Track tempo Sync Off made the glitches disappear but that led to another issue - tracks start / skip bars and stop randomly, so that was not a solution!) Can you test it with master clock coming from a DAW? Preferably Maschine? I wonder if this is also the case with Rc-500.
@martinaleksandrov7080
@martinaleksandrov7080 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for ignoring my comments again and again...
@BenRowlandsMusic
@BenRowlandsMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Sorry I am unable to test this for you, therefore have been unable to reply with the answer you want. If I took the time to test every issue people have with their loop pedal setups. I would be unable to create the videos for the channel. Due to the time it would take. This would be unfair on other members of the community. As they would not get the videos they subscribed for. I wish you the best of luck and hope you find your answer. All the Best, Ben
@martinaleksandrov7080
@martinaleksandrov7080 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenRowlandsMusic thanks! Negative answer feels better than ignoring! :) i understand..
@yrusboaisocorpebsnd5968
@yrusboaisocorpebsnd5968 3 жыл бұрын
@@martinaleksandrov7080 trial and error. It’s frustrating but we all gotta deal that’s how our mans ben learned
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