Lord of the Rings: War of the Rohirrim - Angry Movie Review

[@LalienX]

Better than Rings of Power but that's not that hard to do.

[@ryouma1717]

a giant pile of shit is better then rings of power

[@CovertPhilosopher]

I think it is, without eating up a billion dollars and still be better than rings of power, now that's hard, lol

[@Cheeki_breeki6]

It's like comparing syphilis to AIDs

[@andrewbottesch3062]

Thats like saying star wars skeleton crew is better than the acolyte. The bar is underground so anything is going to be better. Arcane did female characters well while still having good male characters. Too bad Arcane is an exception not the rule

[@gamedude412]

Best star wars since The acolyte

[@Leprechaunproduction]

I wish Helm had been the main character; having him journey from a battle-obsessed King to someone who realizes that his lust for war and glory has nearly brought doom to his people, and then redeeming himself by saving his people by punching everyone to death would have been a great stand-alone film that fits the tragedy in so many of Tolkien's stories.

[@eriksolfors]

@@Leprechaunproduction but from Helms POV he would have died before the war was over, what next? End of the movie? Or would the audience just hear an epilogue about what happened, or follow another character - which one then? We got to see pretty much what you describe in the movie but from the daughter’s pov.

[@Leprechaunproduction]

@@eriksolfors The movie would end after he died, as that's the logical ending. Some artistic liberty would have to be taken so that the war would end, too (maybe Wulf would be his final kill, thus demoralizing Wulf's forces).

[@eriksolfors]

@ so you’re okay with changing the lore to make Helm kill Wulf, which he didn’t do in Tolkiens work. Also, ending a movie because someone dies is not a good way to show a movie-conflict like this. It would be like having the LOTR movies end with the death of Boromir.

[@Leprechaunproduction]

@@eriksolfors If given the choice, yes, I would make the change, as having the main conflict be between Helm and Wulf makes for a more focused and intimate story. As to ending the film when Wulf dies, I believe that would be a logical choice: Wulf's death would resolve the story's conflict, at which point the story is pretty much over. Having LOTR end when Boromir dies would not make any sense, as the conflict of the story (Sauron attempting to get his ring back) would not have been resolved.

[@fastage101]

@@LeprechaunproductionI just personally don’t think that would be a great ending. You would be left with an incomplete ending. You also hear them talk about marriage and I’m assuming that would still be the plot. Wulf wanted their whole family blood line to end and he continued to attack no matter what just to make it happen. Even his romantic feelings didn’t matter. I personally enjoyed the movie and did feel worried about characters dying, but I also enjoy a ruthless bad guy which they did.

[@ColJonSquall1]

The rights situation is a mess, WB via New Line has the movie rights to the LOTR books and The Hobbit, Amazon has the appendices of said books, Embracer holds the Tolkien Estate's overall IP rights. So it's all over the place

[@DragonHeart613]

If Embracer has the overall rights than doesn't that mean that they own all the rights like film, tv & gaming?

[@celdur4635]

@@DragonHeart613 They do, but they are leased to WB and Amazon.

[@darthrange1]

@@DragonHeart613 Its a complicated shit show. Embracer owns the rights to ALL of Tolkien's works, the Silmarillion, the movies, the books, the appendices, all of it. However they DO not control the Film rights. That was given to New Line before Embracer had control of the estate, and therefore as long as New Line continues their pre-established deal, they could maintain the Film rights indefinitely. Embracer gives out exclusive license deals to publishers to make content for a contracted period of time. (Normally 10 years) Currently 2 deals are publicly known. 1. Amazon has the licensed deal for the TV rights to Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Books) and the Appendices of those books, thats it. They didn't bother getting the Silmarillion or anything else. 2. New Line Cinema has the Film rights and the ownership of the Peter Jackson movies WB had rights for Video Games but I'm pretty sure that agreement went void two years ago which is why that Shitty Gollum game happened.

[@DragonHeart613]

@@celdur4635 Gotcha.

[@AelfwineGaming]

One of my favourite authors divided and contended among a bunch of corporate ignorants. That's sad and disrispectful...

[@Scar_117]

Joe let your boys talk jesus.

[@maybrittwilkens6149]

Yes. Good someone mentioned this

[@bowserbrowser6559]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail I thought "why have another person when the other 2 can't ever finish a thought?" And then your comment is the first I see lol maybe I should skip this one

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

Its his channel, you can unsubscribe if you don't like that he takes control

[@maybrittwilkens6149]

@@TheBlueArmageddon Og selvfølgelig er det en lille l*rt fra velfærdsstaten der kommer og spiller smart/leger voksen

[@ChimpBrained]

Angry "What did you think but im going to interrupt your explanation for no reason" Joe

[@shawnmatthews1595]

Always, why are we still watching?

[@spiffygonzales5160]

Haven't seen it but somehow i get the feeling a movie about a character who exists in a single line of a single book without a name or any development at all isn't gonna be the most respectful to Tolkeins work.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

True..

[@nickm1242]

It could have worked had they made her a secondary or side character instead of "Main Lead Girlboss who Saves the Day with her Girlbossing and Doesn't Need No Man" BS

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@nickm1242 if they had done literally everything completely differently it would be better.

[@k--music]

It was surprisingly respectful actually. There isn’t much in the notes about this but what is there is told 100% identical to Tolkien’s writing.

[@k--music]

⁠@@nickm1242 she’s the main character of her own story here and does her part but she doesn’t take any of the other characters’ roles from Tolkien’s notes. At the end it’s frealaf who saves the day just like the book, and helm does everything Tolkien wrote him to do. Seems more that they made her the protagonist because she was already the subject of the conflict with wulf. It allowed that to be more personal. I think the problem was more so that the dialogue wasn’t written as well as the films (very on the nose “it’s snowing because it’s winter” type narration) and the animation wasn’t great.

[@JohnGoetzGaming]

Glad this gave us the origin story of Hera's Deep

[@Vicioussama]

Deep in Hera

[@NebLleb]

SEYUCKS!

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

I like how she had a completely different accent to the rest of her family.

[@riseofatlas7969]

this is not origin story bro xD

[@Ravenbones]

It happened this way in the book too.

[@KoRn1044]

Other Joe: 4 Jay: 3 Alex: 4 Angry Joe: 5

[@GeekMasterGames]

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I LOVED this movie and they are terrible judges of films

[@Neroevelocity]

@@GeekMasterGames But what were they wrong about???

[@BoredMarcus]

I'll never get their rating. I like their reviews, but the number they give is a mystery to me. Joe can rant for an hour how bad a movie is and then gives it a 5. If you dislike something that much almost without finding any redeeming qualities it's not average.

[@ryankelly7070]

@@BoredMarcus 5 is average but yeah joe probably gave this movie a 1 or 2 extra points for being Lord of the Rings since he does have favoritism with certain franchises

[@justinanderson2631]

Watching the movie later on really explains how Helm Hammerhand killed Wario with one punch.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Lol oh shid

[@PEHErATbl]

This is Angry JOE show but it's still really not cool that you interrupt the other guys sooo frequently. For the viewer it seems like you're treating them like shit. Im not saying you are, but it sure feels like it.

[@40KWill]

I agree. It feels like over the years, Joe does this more often.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

We asked him to chill many many times... He does for a bit then he resets to factory settings.

[@40KWill]

@@vlastelinprislic286 the other guys should have a mute button they can use once an episode.

[@MentorRick]

They accept it because he pays their bills.

[@codyvaughn4195]

I’ve noticed this for years. He looks like he’s jumping out of his skin if they talk for more than a minute at a time 😂😅

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

Lord of the Rings was part of my Childhood so much. I even still have both BFMEs and play them regularly. It's sad to see things you loved as a Child get dulled down into Corpo slop and Checkmarks on a list...

[@riggidynail7228]

Those games are legendary

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

@@riggidynail7228 Yea EA sitting on Gold and just sleeps.

[@wolfsbane9985]

​@refugeehugsforfree4151 I'm pretty sure EA doesn't have the license to those games anymore, which is why they're considered abandonware. A remake or something similar made today would be amazing. Imagine "Total War: Middle Earth" Similar to Warhammer

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

@@wolfsbane9985 I would preorder lol...I don't preorder.

[@wolfsbane9985]

@@refugeehugsforfree4151 yep that'd be a day 1 buy for me. If anything just to show support that we want more games (actual good ones, not Gollum) in Middle Earth.

[@voidox]

well, it bombed at the box office and has not gotten much interest with the general audience and not great reviews from critics. As Alex pointed out, it was clearly just a dumb license renewal movie and it shows, especially with the bad animation. For LOTR fans, this was not a good movie and Hera especially was a bad fanfic mary sue character they created that was just an unnamed character in one line in the book. She completely ruined an already meh story, making her so important and the best at everything... just from her name alone we can see how bad the writers are, Hera is a greek name and Tolkien's story was based on English fantasy and history, not Greek. And as Alex said, her scene and just being able to get the Eagles to do anything was horrible writing and mary sue nonsense, the Eagles are not just random big animals like AJ thinks, even for Maiar like Gandalf it's not so simple to just get the Eagles to do things for them. AJ so desperate to try and defend the character with "oh if you like shield-maidens!", no dude, ppl like well written characters not just cause she's a woman someone will like her, stop trying to find excuses for bad characters just cause it's a female character.

[@HeyItsFranklyn]

Bad Animation? Are you out of your mind?

[@rollercoaster478]

Speak for yourself, not all LOTR fans. I liked it. And Hera is not a Mary Sue, she has no superpowers, she has no insane skills except for riding a horse. She won vs Wulf only cause he was unstable and she knew how to beat him from childhood. She basically lost vs the traitor dude until stabbing him with a pitchfork thanks to the horse helping out.

[@ShawnF0912]

Most mature animations bomb in America. There's nothing new there

[@HydraTower]

How was the animation bad? The lack of CGI creatures was impressive and the character movements had a lot of frames.

[@battleshipboyd2758]

I know in my local theater it only had like 4 or 5 showings the entire day. It was almost guaranteed to bomb unfortunately. Also, I really liked the animation. I don't understand all the hate that it gets. That can be very subjective though.

[@art2norrman872]

I enjoyed this movie. We rarely get 2D animated movies on the big screen

[@ZiroWatt]

I refuse to watch this film because its a product of today rather than an honest adaptation of tolkiens work. Also, writing an interesting female character isnt hard. The solution just isnt "but shes a really good powerful sword fighter too" hollywood cant comprehend that historically women actually did have important/interesting lives that didnt involve being able to take on men twice her size in battle

[@purefoldnz3070]

yeah dont watch it, I regret doing so.

[@wolfsbane9985]

It stays pretty faithful to the lore, arguably more so than the Jackson trilogy did. With that said, just because it stayed faithful to the lore doesn't mean it was great. The way the story was told could have been a lot better. I agree with Joe, not terrible, but average, 5/10. Dont listen to hate reviews saying it's woke or worse or as bad as Rings of Power, which is fundamentally not true. It definitely has problems, but I wouldn't say woke is one of them.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@wolfsbane9985 "It stays pretty faithful to the lore, arguably more so than the Jackson trilogy did. " utter nonsense. So where in the appendices did this Hera person meet Gandalf to talk about the rings? lmao. You are full of it.

[@wolfsbane9985]

@@purefoldnz3070 There was a lot of unnecessary member berries in there for sure. Gandalf is known to have traveled Middle Earth to establish relations and aquire different stories from people around Middle Earth. In the Jackson universe, its entirely plausible that he would seek out the story of the war from the surviving daughter of the former king of Rohan. As for staying faithful to the lore, the film adapted literally everything that was written in the short few paragraphs that were available, right down to the wild men being fearful of some kind of wraith in the night they thought was the vengeful ghost of Helm, Helm being frozen standing upright, and Saruman taking residence of Isengard after the war happens. The only thing they changed was who killed Wulf. Wulfs army was still defeated by Frealaf in a surprise attack. The Jackson trilogy made massive changes to the established lore to fit the films to the point that certain events were changed entirely or didn't even happen. Where in the books does it say Legolas shot Saruman on top of Orthanc? Or that The Witch King broke Gandalf the Whites staff? So no, I'm not "full of it", I'm just not going with the narrative that it's complete trash and actually want to give it a fair shake instead of outright dismissing it. They got the lore mostly right, but in execution it could've been a lot better.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@wolfsbane9985 " The Jackson trilogy made massive changes to the established lore to fit the films to the point that certain events were changed entirely or didn't even happen." The films worked closely with Tolkien scholars and the estate to be true to the story, of course there are changes its an adaptation. And those films are hailed as some of the best ever made while War of the Rohirrm is considered one of the worst ever made. So cry more lol

[@echecroi]

It's NOT tough to do a Strong Female Protagonist. It's been done for AGES!

[@FromTheAshes0762]

It is hack writers, thats all. They dont hire the best. Its people who have great ideas of empowerment but not the ability to write them in a sophisticated way and thats a shame.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

It's a shame, because they're kinda harping on Eowyn's story somewhat, dimishing it a bit.

[@liamwilson7549]

No it actually hasn’t. Strong female characters are rare especially at this level of the financial world.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@liamwilson7549 Oh yeah? Except in like every single Hollywood movie.

[@liamwilson7549]

@@Patrick-y4d1z marvel and DC maybe, don’t really know any other movie franchises that have well written strong female lead characters except in the anime industry.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Atleast R34 artist got new materials

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Good ol r34 ❤

[@ryankelly7070]

only ai slop, even the r34 artists didnt care about this movie

[@marioshobbyhq]

They bait you into some cool lore and characters, and then switch to their stereotyped mary sue, and badly executed production. Nothing new - send it back to abyss of trash productions of this sad age.

[@purefoldnz3070]

it was only made to retain the rights and it shows that this was lazy and full of tropes.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

I wouldn't say she was a Mary Sue, she was generally kinda naff. The problem was that there was literally no reason to make it about her. -Helm Hammerhand killed the noble, Wolf swore vengeance against him. Remove Hera from the story and it is actually more interesting because it removes the cliche.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Patrick-y4d1z no, not a Mary Sue but she is the "Wild Woman" trope like the character of Alloy from Zero Dawn. Her character doesnt have an arc, she's one dimension and shallow. Just a terrible character all around.

[@christianbarrera4283]

@@Patrick-y4d1z bro do you know what a Mary sue is

[@rburk854]

@@christianbarrera4283 Mary Sue = female character I don't like?

[@wavetactics13]

Helm punching a troll was goofy, but to say Aragorn in the book couldn't kill a troll. My guys need I remind you that freaking Pippin kills a troll in the book! Hurin, father of Turin, slew the troll-guard of Gothmog before his capture and Helm himself is descended from a dragonslayer. Both were normal men, not of the line of Numenor as Aragorn is.

[@Diffussy]

their point was that they wouldn't be able to BRAWL a troll to death.

[@wavetactics13]

@@Diffussy 30:20 AJ literally starts talking about Gandalf killing a troll, Legolas killing a mumak, and Gimli a bunch of orcs before asking if Aragorn could in single combat. Alex says no three times before OJ brings up punching jokingly.

[@wolverines5279]

Helm didn’t punch a troll to death a spear killed the troll and helm finished it by bashing its head with a rock

[@wavetactics13]

@@wolverines5279 Tell that to Diffussy, I just said Helm punching a troll was goofy, not that he killed by punching it.

[@wolverines5279]

@@wavetactics13 ah I misread that my apologies

[@ChopperFlip]

Children of Húrin is a unique tragic story that would capture a large audience when done correctly. No need to change the writing just say action. While yes there’s bizarre scenes the message in them is important and thus warrant to not change

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

and no one has the rights to adapt it

[@mrmoviemanic1]

Honestly with how the director did a film named Jin-Roh Wolf Brigade. I almost feel like that would've been the perfect film for him to adapt.

[@oldahe865]

17:35 The Twin Towers joe??? 😂 17:38: Alex: 'Never forget' 😃😃

[@Saberyoko]

Its not for LotR fans, because its about a nameless nobody doing bad ass things while using "nobody heard about her" defense card. It's not for casuals, the plot is absurdly generic and predictable. You could guess how the film will be based on the teasers they provided. So yeah, it smells like a product of someone who was mad that there isn't a strong female (spoiler, LotR has 2 strong females), but since said person don't know about LotR and want to create their big moment, they elevated a character the autor didin't even care to give a name (just so you know the importance), but did it anyway just because its female. All for the sake of girlboss trope, the resume is basically: if everyone listen to her everything would be fine, because everyone is stupid except for 2 women.

[@liamwilson7549]

Bro my mother watched this with me and she is the type of person who doesn’t watch fantasy. She liked this movie. Not everyone thinks the same way you do.

[@nativelog7302]

​@@liamwilson7549Your mother who doesn't care about LOTR loves a movoe about a woman whp was right and the best person ever who should be queen. No way would your mother like a film like that... stop disrespectong your mother by making her sound so basic.

[@liamwilson7549]

@@nativelog7302 ah I see, so you’re just a basic misogynist. You don’t actually care if the movie is good or bad you just want something to hate,

[@vengeagrippa]

Honestly, felt like they just saw woman in the story of Helm Hammerhand. Then just decided we should focus and create a whole movie around someone that didn’t even have any major plot in the actual story.

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

other than being a central reason for the plot to begin with AND would have been responsible for leading the people as the only survivor left of the royal house at Helm's Deep. She warranted further development.

[@vengeagrippa]

@@user-jt1js5mr3f In the actual story her cousin was the one that defeated Wulf and the Dunlendings, and he became king of Rohan. The character of Hera which is the unnamed daughter in the story didn’t have any role or any significant part to play in the battles between Rohan and the Dunlendings. The only major plot in the story that she had an indirect part in was the actual war starting. Helm killed Freca who demanded him to marry his daughter to Wulf. After that the unnamed daughter isn’t mentioned in the story again. Don’t personally have an issue with a female protagonist. But when a character is shoehorned in like she was in the movie just for the sake of it then that for me is an issue. Especially when there are actually other female characters in both the Silmarillion and LOTR books that they could have focused on. But it is what it is though.

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

@@vengeagrippa trust me, I know the story. Frealaf still dealt the killing blow to Wulf by coming in and decimating the army. Without him, they would have died. Hera simply distracted them. I don’t mind that the final killing blow was dealt by Hera, it fit. Frealaf still became king. Just because she isn’t mentioned again doesn’t mean she wouldn’t have played an important part. Especially after her father and brothers died, with Frealaf in Dunharrow, she was most suited to lead those under siege. Fleshing her character out simply makes sense, and to give her narrative focus also works because she was one of the final characters alive. As far as the silmarillion goes, no one has the rights to adapt that.

[@dkerr200]

I was really bored throughout and that is sometimes worse than just being bad.

[@emhu2594]

Yeah, if it's bad it can be interesting and watchable. Something like rings of power is worse than bad because it's just unwatchable

[@DutchGamer-W-]

I have seen this movie yesterday. As myself I am a huge LOTR fan (also didn't watch The Rings of Power, I refuse too) and also a die-hard anime fan and... well, I really didn't really like this movie. It was a bit of boring tbh, a generic revenge movie. When I think of The Lord of The Rings I think on big battles, beautiful locations, a great story overall. I think the story was OKAY till (Bart and Lisa Simpson)«-» MEH. The first scene I was pretty pumped because they used the iconic Edoras / Rohan theme song but after that... Sadly they didn't used more of the score of the original The Lord of The Rings. The animation... AND THANK YOU for pointing that out it was not good, or I am too spoiled because I have watched so many anime with fluid animation. Especially with and by the fire / torches was the animation well, not smooth. So yeah, if someone invite me to watch the movie again for free I would say: "No thank you, one time is enough" and those are words I would never like too use around a Lord of The Rings movie. :(

[@ChimpBrained]

It was Elrond and Gandalf that summoned the raging river that dehorsed the Nazgul. The river was a defense of Rivendell and the horses were added by Gandalf.

[@emhu2594]

Gandalf wasn't there

[@BattleMatt]

@@emhu2594 he was in the books, he'd already arrived in Rivendell and said later that he'd added the horses.

[@ChimpBrained]

@@emhu2594 Read the books my guy

[@alexkats30]

It just occurred to me days after watching it, that the biggest weakness this movie had was it didn't have the high stakes usually associated with LOTR and the characters weren't connected directly to any of the well known characters or stories, so maybe most people didn't feel invested and the story not being the best thing ever written, couldn't pull them in

[@stephenfornadel7937]

And lack of advertisement

[@liamwilson7549]

@@stephenfornadel7937Peter Jackson dropped the ball on that one. As executive producer he was responsible for the primary advertisement

[@believeinmatter]

I feel the same way about this movie as I do the Gollum videogame. Out of al the fantastic stories and characters in LOTR, why did they choose this? Nobody asked for this 🤷‍♂️

[@fluffinsfloofins6641]

Neither AJ, nor super-expert Alex remember Éowyn by name... Oh dear.

[@AdalgrimTook]

I do agree that their Tolkien lore could improve as some of the points they made against the movie are actually lore canon heh

[@jonbaxter2254]

Who needs to remember Eowyn, when we have the awesome newe Heracle!

[@mrandyseaspray]

To be fair, it's very easy to blank on a name when put on a spot no matter how familiar sometimes.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

ear win , there its so e z - liberal

[@AHobbitHere]

Anyone else pick up on Alex's 9/11 joke at 17:34 ? ahahahahaha

[@vlastelinprislic286]

The other guy had a good one with the "typical brown eagle" at 56:40

[@bigyoshi5170]

*WAIT THIS EXISTS?!*

[@winstonsmith8482]

Yes, and it sucks lol.

[@SixshotRevan]

I saw the movie's title earlier this year when I was looking up a list of upcoming movies, but I didn't see a trailer until a week ago. I didn't realize it was animated until then. Marketing was next-to-nothing. Which makes sense for something made just to maintain licensing rights.

[@pumpkiiin]

@@winstonsmith8482it doesn’t suck lmao

[@Pure_Havoc]

@@winstonsmith8482 its honestly more "whateves" but doesnt suck. if anything it makes me want a Fire Emblem animated movie more.

[@wolfsbane9985]

Agreed, it doesn't suck. It's about average. There's a lot of hate reviews out there saying it's woke because Hera is a Marry Sue or destroys Tolkien lore. It's not, and Hera is fine, and it stays about as faithful to the lore as the Jackson trilogy, but that doesn't mean it's great either. It definitely could've been better. I agree with Joe, 5/10 average.

[@nosbigdamus9665]

Hammerhand freezes to death Fought with his hands Must have grabbed a hammer at the end then ???? Never had one before

[@HydraTower]

I think that was just a visual. It showed him without a hammer in the wide shot.

[@CharlConstantine]

And they had time to defrost him just to slow him before his people 😂

[@silentsorrowbane]

He is called Hammerhand because his punches are so strong they are like being hit by a hammer. Not that hard to understand.

[@EvsEntps]

Can we finally get to the point of openly saying that female characters inherently have a different narrative effect than male characters without being afraid of some mental case accusing you of commiting some sort of ism or having some sort of phobia?

[@JohnGoetzGaming]

Bruh we still have to establish men and women are different at all before we even get to that lol. If you say anything is different these days people freak because they want man and woman to be a choice

[@Landofalcon007]

100%

[@dukeofgotham4311]

It can be done right, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor comes to my mind immediately. The problem will always be the writing.

[@silentsorrowbane]

​@@dukeofgotham4311 it's still different, well done or not. You kinda didn't get the point he was trying to make.

[@FromTheAshes0762]

Its crazy, people are always complaing about MvW. If Mulan trailer dropped today people would scream woke and it would bomb.

[@MarkusBartus]

I think with this movie I realize some stories are not ment to be told from the perspective of the woman. I know shocking but at least understand where I coming from. As much as some people want to hide that truth simply put this story should have been made from the point of view of the Helm and subseqently Frealaf. I would not mind Helms daughter to have some agency but she should have been just a supporting character in the film. In the age we are living right now women cannot be just a secondary or supporting character in someone elses story. No, they have to be the lead character of someone elses story while the actual main character Helm and therefore also Frealaf are sidelined into supporting characters instead. If this movie would have been made ten years ago there is no doubt that the main character would be Helm because it is that obvious what type of story this is. Yet the only reason why this even exists is only to WB retain the right to lord of the rings IP. Not because for the love of the adaptation to do it right but only because of pure money milking from the IP mixed with contemporary social norm these days.

[@rebirthofgodrics907]

I mean helmet was written by Tolkien ....want his daughter barely mentioned and without a name even ...

[@tomhyland8799]

The movie was decent, it definitely could have been worse. It’s a good proof of concept, more LOTR anime films could work, hopefully with slightly stronger characters/story and more consistent animation next time.

[@rburk854]

Yeah, the people saying the movie was awful are definitely on some weird shit.

[@stephenfornadel7937]

Yeah I think animation can work for some short stories like what gondor was doing during war of the rohirrim

[@hayatojin2886]

@@rburk854 oh your just have shit taste.

[@Vicioussama]

My thoughts were, it was fine/good. Solid 5 or 6 outta 10 on Joe's scale. It had some good art, animation was good at times and kinda meh at other times. The characters were fine, some were unneeded. The story was fine, but a few plot elements sure are too familiar to LoTR stuff. Same with the dialogue at time would try and be like "memberberries" and yea. It was fine. Helm Hamemrhand was a badass though

[@Vicioussama]

Alex such a hobbit movie hater when they are fun :P also, the hobbit book was retconned at times by JRR Tolkein himself, screw caring about it imo

[@thomassmart4227]

Aragon could be a troll with any weapon and especially with anduril. Hand to hand no

[@MAC-bb9bu]

Movie shouldn’t exist

[@liamwilson7549]

Then live action shouldn’t exist.

[@MAC-bb9bu]

@ would take Rings of Power over this crap any day. And that’s saying something

[@liamwilson7549]

@@MAC-bb9bu lol I watched rings of power, this was way better than rop. Stop being insincere with yourself.

[@MAC-bb9bu]

@ this is anime tho…

[@liamwilson7549]

@@MAC-bb9bu anime is a multi billion dollar industry, probably more profitable than live action movies now given the right marketing of which this movie had no advertisement metrics. The moment this comes to Crunchyroll or hi-dive we will see major profits on this movie.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

It needed to be a series with ten to twelve hour long episodes. It was far too much to compress into a single movie. Nothing had time to breathe or develop without feeling like it was on fast forward. If it had more time to really flesh out all the characters I think it would have been great.

[@stephenfornadel7937]

If it was a series it would be made by Amazon and majority of people dont like how Amazon treats the LOTR ip

[@DaneHammond-z5o]

It's Elrond and Gandalf who command the waters at the ford of Bruinen to wash away the wraiths, not Glorfindel

[@nickolasaday2257]

It was a good time. It wasnt the best but i didnt hate it. Helm was cool.

[@DiamondsDancing17]

reviews at the table goated🔥

[@VodKaSlam]

The team that created Castlevania Anime should have made this. Also why don't they do the story from War in the North? That would've been awesome too

[@aliens4143]

Castlevania is shitty edglelord tripe, some of the dullest stuff ever produced. But it's telling how you arbitrarily grasp for another animation to justify your stance against this movie to yourself and other idiots who forgot they are totally into ALL animated garbage (except this once).

[@sopppa]

first time i saw the photos of this movie i tought it was IA made.

[@aliens4143]

Better than literally being a swine-flu virus who can't distinguish AI and IA (if even AI and anything else). Probably you're not even aware this wasn't live action...

[@Treayom]

Funny how joe talks about tolkien lore while not even knowing who Eowyn and Arwen are 😂😂😂

[@bowserbrowser6559]

Aj claims to be a big fan of nearly everything he covers but he will sometimes sit there and read the lore directly off the wiki and somehow still be wrong

[@TheMagicGatherer-s4g]

I guess this started as a project to keep the rights and they thought to make anime as animation in Japan is relatively cheap to make. However, maybe they thought they could make some money and over-invested but not enough to fix the cheap animation parts and low quality script. Sadly there is no heart in this.

[@piotrkarp9562]

Tolkien would never named this character Hera. Whole Rohirim faction is Irish/English based and Hera is kindaaaaaaaaaaaa Greek name. Tolkien was philolog. He would freaking go nuts about it for sure xD

[@tomhyland8799]

The Rohirrim are largely Anglo-Saxon based, and Hera is also a Nordic name so it’s not a million miles off

[@joshhudson7413]

Hera is a name that exists in Anglo-Saxon history, they used that one

[@rburk854]

What does Irish/English mean? This is how you know people are just regurgitating this complaint with even a surface level understanding of what is being discussed.

[@wolfsbane9985]

​@@rburk854it's fairly common. People lack the critical thinking skills to formulate their own opinions and need (or strongly prefer) to be told what to think. That's why there's so much parroting of youtuber opinions and why youtubers that make outrage p*rn content do so well.

[@universalspaceexpeditioner8259]

This is Genshin argument once more. People are free to name their kids however they want. Also Middle Earth literally resembles Europe from Iceland, all the way to Lebanon in the map, with the big islands just merged with the mainland. Since Mordor is literally the Turks, you can assume that the lands around them are Greeks, Georgians, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians and Iranians. Not the actual nations but their parallel.

[@TheGoodLad89]

The animation in War of Rohirrim reminds me of the original animated Lord of the Rings movie.

[@MentorRick]

looks nothing like it.

[@Don9872]

It had some great moments, mostly action and Helm being badass, but the story and characters really lacked any depth and it was too rushed in the beginning to get attached to the characters who’s deaths should have been really impactful. I mostly enjoyed it but it was really average or slightly below quality wise most of the time.

[@liamwilson7549]

But that’s the point, it’s only 3 pages and most of the characters were throwaway even for Tolkien’s standards. Héra wasn’t even named and her brothers all die.

[@wrymehexin3885]

I personally would go a point down 4/10

[@40KWill]

Yeah less than average to low average.

[@Eyeroll_Tornado]

No one would have minded this film had they made the female main go through the hero’s journey. Instead she’s instantly the best at everything and all of the men around her are morons. She’s the very definition of Mary Sue and girlboss. I love female leads in everything but this isn’t written well enough to pass the basic toxic-feminism sniff test.

[@Imanmagnet00]

The hell are you talking about? She isn't anywhere near the best at anything in the film. Hammerhand is the one that gets the most heroic feats, she honors him by carrying his legacy but also christening the Hornbug as Helm's deep for the respect Rohan had for their king. Her siblings, guardian and the rest of Rohan all get their moment and nowhere in the movie does Hera overshadow them.

[@rebirthofgodrics907]

​@Imanmagnet00 yah the real problem is making a movie around a character that doesn't even have a name in the Tolkien writings. Is the idea that you can do better than Tolkien.

[@Imanmagnet00]

@@rebirthofgodrics907 I get that but coming up non existent complaints doesn't help anyone. The moment you complain about feminism it makes arguments sound like incel ramblings. If we are to demand smarter entertainment we also need to make smart arguments, not just buzz words and impressions from just a trailer.

[@thedarkemissary]

"All the men around her are morons." - true "She's instantly the best at everything." - not true She doesn't really succeed at much in the movie. The one fight she wins, is foreshadowed by flashbacks. And she gets an assist to win it.

[@k--music]

Wait what? Sure many of the men are stubborn but that’s a theme Tolkien wrote first. In the film she’s clearly not the best at everything, helm is the fighter and does everything he did in the book, she’s never even better at fighting than her shieldmaiden or her cousin, who saves the day every time he shows up including the end. I think the problem was more so staying too close to the two towers helms deep ending and the dialogue being very “it was snowing because it was winter” style on the nose narration.

[@Cooler7328]

Little confused about Hera. Wasnt a big part of Eowyns story in lotr her wanting to fight but being told women dont fight? Only Aragon regconized and acknowledged her, causing her to have googly eyes? And then she proves herself and (sorta) saves her dad? Guess times were different back then, but it just miffed be with the percieved inconsistency. Did i miss something or misremember?

[@ggadams639]

it's just girl power propaganda and fan service by just doing Eowyn again but worse. Why do you think think the actress of Eowyn is doing some voice over lol

[@Cooler7328]

@ggadams639 because the story of hera inspired her growing up and she idolizes her? So shes retelling the story she loved to kids? But is it real or just a tall tale? I still think its weird that this female leader existed in rohans history, but then years later, everyone scoffs at eowyn being a fighter. Feel like im missing something crucial.

[@ZiroWatt]

Eowyn wasnt some amazing fighter though. Nor was she some perfect character, she goes from losing hope after her brother dies and her father is mentally gone, to feeling she isnt doing enough as war comes, to getting rejected by aragorn, then to fighting in secret with Merry. As far as Ive heard here, Hera rejects a guy, then is the strongest and smartest character in a world of dumb and egotistical men, and wins every fight she starts. What makes this even worse is the fact that Hera takes credit for achievements Helm made in the lore.

[@k--music]

She was supposed to stay behind because she’s the last of Eorl’s line and was ordered to govern while Theoden and Eomer were at war, and presumably if they died. Aragorn actually does tell her to stay behind when she wants to go with him, and she says “am I not of the house of Eorl, a shieldmaiden and not a dry nurse?” And Aragorn says if it wasn’t her it would’ve been some captain with the same duty to stay behind, and she says something to the extent of them wanting her to stay because she’s a woman. I think she implies some history there of women of Eorl’s line fighting, and in the films she has that line about women learning long ago to wield a sword rather than die by it. In any case I think she’s *interpreting* the duty to stay as because she’s a woman when in reality it’s because Hama reminded Theoden that the people would accept her rule and she is the only one left. More so a character conflict than a gender one. She wants to fight but has a duty to stay behind. And there are notes about “fair and valiant women” in pre-Rohan history and the women did ride with Brego against the easterlings when they had to (which is what I assume she was talking about in two towers). So presumably this story could fit in. What was disappointing to me is that they do call out that Hera isn’t mentioned in history, but never explain why. So this could just be Eowyn’s version of the story.

[@Cooler7328]

@k--music well said!

[@rojasmilton80]

Having a conversation with Joe must be the most frustrating thing in the world, let your colleagues talk!

[@Howlrunner82]

Are we exited about "The Hunt for Gollum" yet?😅

[@brando3342]

The animation is likely inconsistent, because multiple studios were working on it, and not every studio has the same style, let alone the difference between each animator. Quality standards are also different. The differences between animators can be mitigated by being in the same animation team, and so having a unified lead to point out obvious differences, but if it's completely separate studios, good luck trying to get animation to look consistent.

[@doltserum2157]

Joe’s gesticulation is more impressive than saruman’s

[@dnmr.boomer1448]

Boring girl boss movie. 😂😂😂

[@purefoldnz3070]

terrible film sadly.

[@shoobydoo]

The abbreviation TWOTR is more entertaining than the entire film.

[@reddeadcharactercreations7884]

Best review I heard was that it’s “too anime” for Lord of the Rings fans and “not a good anime” for anime fans. Yep, that exactly how I felt. Also the marketing 100% made it seem like a story about Helm Hammerhand when it’s undeniably about the new original character based off an unnamed mention of a daughter, who stands WAY out of place compared to the rest of what’s going on. Like she looks like she’s out of a different Japanese MMORPG franchise.

[@DrBreezeAir]

Good God, Joe. LET OTHERS SPEAK. STOP INTERRUPTING.

[@nickolasaday2257]

Bro, this is his show. And his friends aren't bothered by it you shouldn't be either.

[@ernimuja6991]

@@nickolasaday2257 We're bothered by it.

[@TT79-]

So many studios worked on this. Because they wanted this rushed and done. I worked on Heavy Metal Fakk2 for WB and we were 1 of 50 studios working on it. Disaster.

[@jordanfrye5171]

Im sorry but hearing Angry Joe mispronounce and confuse names is so cringe. He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about yet he interrupts EVERYONE. Thumbs down from me, DNF

[@highmarshalbalian680]

Fun fact the animation studio that did that the cartoons from the 70s became studio Ghibli

[@dominiqueodom3099]

WB was desperate to fart this movie out but they turned down the Pitch from the Spiderverse animation studio for an Animated Batman Beyond film

[@helix6206]

AngryJoe is defending this movie with Claws and Teeth, this means one thing; the movie is AWFUL

[@rburk854]

The movie was fine. Not amazing, but definitely not terrible unless you are part of some weirdo crusade.

[@jackalope_hunter]

It's an average movie.

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

Huh?? Dude is ripping on it all the time

[@Thunderlips-60602]

What these writers don’t understand is that a strong character (also a strong female character) is someone who overcomes personal flaws. That requires strength. Hera is just like Ray Palpatine. She’s perfect from the start and everyone just needs to accept it. That’s her arc.

[@JohnGoetzGaming]

They're too stupid for that. They think "strong" means literal strength or skill in many areas. It's why so many make Mary sues and why you often hear "Oh she's a badass" or "She's a strong leader" or "She's so smart and all powerful!"

[@elnumbrotres]

She’s hardly perfect. She wins her fight with Wulf with an assist from her shield maiden. Helm saves her from the Orcs, and her shield maiden and cousin save her from Wulf in Isengard

[@thedarkemissary]

Not really. Yeah, she doesn't have much of a character arc, but she ain't perfect and nobody has to accept it. The movie literally ends with her not being accepted (her choice). She leaves. A lot like the cousin. He's a smart, decent, humble person. Tries to do the right thing. And people don't listen to him. He doesn't have an arc either. The comparison to Ray is unfair, since Ray is shown to get stronger for no reason. Whereas Hera is the same at the beginning of the movie as she is at the end. That's the difference.

[@ernimuja6991]

@@thedarkemissary Exactly she doesn't change because she is perfect. The narrative is about the people around her changing to accommodate her perfect nature.

[@thedarkemissary]

@@ernimuja6991 Nah. She ain't perfect. No change, just means she has the same flaws at the beginning that she has at the end. Disregard for tradition and responsibility. Unrestrained faith in others. The war only starts because she didn't let her dad kill Wolfe. Then she almost dies at the end because she let Wolfe live. Even after she leaves, she's probably gonna give the next villain a chance. Which is why she probably gets killed and forgotten.

[@AKpoker888]

If you enjoy anime and OG LotR this is maybe a 7/10 max. Which is too bad because I want more of these animated stories.

[@stephenfornadel7937]

Same

[@MrSloth-sy3rh]

I would give it a 6.5/10

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

My issue with the film was Wulf as a villain. The guy did not have a motivation we could easily get behind, nor did he do anything we would support or even enjoy. He was just angry and vengeful the entire time. I think they TRIED to make him a "person from a shunned clan trying to earn greatness" but his dad wasn't in a bad situation, and the whole political issue with Rohan and Gondors relationship was just brushed aside.

[@occupywallets9096]

This film was a yawn fest... I give it a 2 out of 10... Morrowind had better animated fire!

[@40KWill]

And a better story

[@VastoFlo13]

I’m murdering these angry Joe episodes! I’m caught up and even watched the boys 3-4 hour reaction on the game awards 😂

[@eugene8498]

31:30 Not a troll but Finrod killed a werewolf (though mortally wounded in the process) naked, unarmed, with hands and teeth.

[@cclcanadiancountrylife3628]

The last time I went to the movie theatre was to see Dunkirk. I have 4 kids, my two oldest (7) (5) Are obsessed with lord of rings, medieval anything, the hobbit. Was I the intended audience? Yes but No, but I took my 2 oldest kids to the theatre for the first time in their lives so far. My son and daughter are now obsessed with war of the rohirrim. They loved it. It’s all they talk about other than hockey. They are the intended audience. I enjoyed the show I gave it a rating of 7/10

[@johno1544]

That was actually Christopher Lee doing the voice even though he passed like 9 years ago that was unused audio for the Peter Jackson's films.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

No way, is that true?

[@johno1544]

@vlastelinprislic286 he is listed in the credits on IMDb for the role.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

@@johno1544 this makes me smile, thank you

[@johno1544]

@@vlastelinprislic286 me too Christopher lee was such a amazing individual. Another fun fact he was the only person that worked on Jacksons movies that had met Tolkien in person

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

26:40 No it was actually Christopher Lee, not sure how but he is credited in the movie

[@quiett6191]

They were trying to imply the reason she was forgotten was because she was a woman, so the patriarchy covered up her story. The problem was they wrote her to be soo central to every single plot point, its freakin impossible that she would be forgotten.

[@MinecraftVanish]

No point wasting your money on a ticket for this guys. Its trash

[@bfkc111]

While half your complaints may be valid, one can't ignore a certain online-hivemind uniformity in the reception and tone (present long before the movie was out), and that you would have ten or twenty times the excitement for any shit-rate Witcher or Warhammer cartoon-tie-in with a total non-story and standard action scenes...

[@josephagundez5409]

It's clear that the studio didn't really care about this film because of the poor marketing and lack of screenings. My wife and I had to drive an hour to find a theater that was showing it. We both hated Rings of Power, but we enjoyed this film. Brian Cox was definitely the stand out as Helm Hammerhand. I think this film is getting a lot of unnecessary hate.

[@SirWarkwark]

I had a realy good cinema experience! 7.5/10

[@hectorzeronee]

Bros......2 things: rings of power affected this and the extra sensitivity to having girl power dynamic in society.

[@CarlosHernandez-kn8sl]

EOWYN GODDAMMIT EOWYN "Alex knows more about Tolkien's lore"

[@jacklomas4218]

Right?!?! This is what pisses me off about this channel. I enjoyed the reviews but it's the fact they claim they're critics and get the most basic shit wrong, constantly. It's fucking aggravating tbh.

[@HydraTower]

@@jacklomas4218I mean I sometimes mess up my own family’s names.

[@jacklomas4218]

@@HydraTower yeah I'm not good with some family names either tbh. 😂 We're talking basic shit all the time though. It does get old.

[@HydraTower]

@@jacklomas4218Tbf he was actually talking about Arwen.

[@TheReVmatch]

“How to do a strong female lead that doesn’t feel forced?” Watch Arcane

[@Grudgebearer47]

Or Frieren

[@Sam-vk8xd]

Or Claymore

[@jacklomas4218]

Season 1 did it better. I really enjoyed both. Thought season 2 could have done with some more episodes though or maybe even another season.

[@jeagerjeager9171]

Agreed, jinx is the best female lead

[@hvyarms4496]

Don't make em just bust through everything like the Kool aid man. Give her tools and tactics that suit her personally

[@YouOtin]

4/10 or 3/10 I was disappointed as hell I wanted a good lotr story with a good female instead I got a boring mess based for the most boring part of the lotr lore with a bland main character and side characters

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

"but embracer group has the license" I'm sure that will end well lol

[@Hades69099]

17:24 those old lord of the rings cartoons, animated ones, were terrible haha 59:03 yeah it is the gollum video game true, although that was bad because of the gameplay, maybe there can be a decent story there though, I'll give the movies a chance, but I did come up with a better story, they should bring back the characters aragorn, legolas, gimli, gandalf, and have sauron return he gets ressurected like made the witch I forget how to spell her name, ressurects him, that would be a good premise for movies, the one thing the lord of the rings movies lacked was an active threat, I mean they had them, but I feel like it would be better if Sauron was taking over cities, if he wasn't just this distant force, and they would be able to have the confrontation with aragorn and sauron that was cut from the original,

[@l90316]

26:42 That’s actually Christopher Lee, they edited his voice to form some new lines somehow.

[@tyleroutland435]

I have zero interest in this movie so I don't care how it does 😂

[@SAMHOUSTON56]

😅You're so cool!

[@tyleroutland435]

@SAMHOUSTON56 Yeah, I only care about movies in theaters I'm interested in seeing or have seen. Like tonight, I'm seeing Sonic 3 with a friend and his family because I loved Sonic 1 and 2.

[@vonnstevens2502]

Aren’t u the same dude who liked Kraven the hunter?🤣

[@tyleroutland435]

@vonnstevens2502 I love Kraven The Hunter it got unnecessary hate, but the difference is I had an interest in seeing the movie. I saw the movie with a friend and we loved the movie that's the big difference and the pathetic haters were wrong.

[@floridafan561]

@@tyleroutland435 Cool story… Fyi..liking your own comments is incredibly lame.

[@eugene8498]

Basically most of the problems in this film are connected to the forced heroine. They must have Helm die in front of the gate, admitting he's wrong about Héra. They must have Fréaláf disappear until Héra calls. They must have Héra fight an "epic" duel with Wolf on the fansy bridge.

[@Ravenbones]

I think people forget that not all of Tolkien's work translates to film well. Sometimes even his own narration and pacing gets in the way of itself. All the complaints I have been reading from people are actually how it was done in the book (minus Hera being the center). Everyone of the events happened and people think its the movie that adapted it wrong and changed it to bad storytelling.

[@nemarsde]

That moment where Fréaláf tells Olwyn he's going into the Dunlending fortress to rescue Hèra, then Olwyn says "No, I have a plan"... then very next scene she's in the fortress rescuing Hèra. What exactly was the plan?? Typical AI writing.

[@obscureprey13]

17:35 Alex 😂😂😂

[@user-fr5hs4vj4d]

Just remember This review of woke rings comes from the same joe who defended she hulk until he couldn’t anymore. Guys a total joke.

[@mrmoviemanic1]

I really liked this movie, I just wish there was more development for Hera as a character and less as an action Hero. Like I think they tried to make her like Merida from Brave and Nasuca from Valley of the Wind, which is amazing, but those characters were not always fighting, they were living their lives and it would've been more important to show that for Hera, and even for Helm, who always feels like the grumpy dude.

[@brentonbr13]

I really enjoyed it

[@Rynn21]

Well, looks like I was right it was trash lol

[@ivanvega169]

I liked it, It's not amazing but not bad either 7.5/10. I don't care about women protagonists or wokeness and that shit, in that regard this movie is very respectful to the books and has a lot of cool moments and fights like it is not woke at all. Also, helm is an absolute beast!

[@tayyib2784]

[@Dan016]

Man, whatta disappointment 😮‍💨 Was actually really looking forward to it, like maybe a Andor for LotR 😕

[@The_Bailey_show]

Gotta say I love this camera setup, gonna watch JOe play Warhammer now after this

[@santiperezclavier]

Love the new format, camera placements and style

[@lupinsensei7456]

"They want to destroy the wall using a mammoth!" Hera:"fast, burn our walls so that they can't destroy them!" Soldiers:"....." P.s: just check how fast Alex closes his eyelids...the man was tearing up insiede.