Lords of the Fallen: PS5/Xbox Series X/S Tech Review - A Stunning Reboot With Ongoing Tech Issues

Even a month on from its release, the 2023 reboot of Lords of the Fallen still has clear issues on console and PC. The use of Unreal Engine 5 allows for lumen and nanite technologies here, and this is a true current-gen PS5, Xbox Series X and S game. However this technology isn't optimised well for its 60fps performance mode on console - with extreme hang-ups dragging play down to single digit frame-rates.
Note: the game was tested for this video on patch 1.1.293, but all issues persist on today's patch 1.1.310 (or 1.16 in the system menus) - as shown in this Series S re-test below:
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00:00 Introduction
02:24 Xbox Series S Performance
06:08 Xbox Series X Performance
08:44 PlayStation 5 Performance + Three-Way Perf Comparison
10:14 30fps Quality Mode
11:19 Mode Comparison
14:29 Verdict

[@concinnus]

You know you're in for a good time when the frametime graph goes to 320ms. Then you find out it's not even worst-case.

[@leonro]

note: 320ms amounts to 3fps

[@nekov4ego]

At 432p you can appreciate the per pixel improvements in each pixel. The future is now.

[@electrikoptik]

Even more proof that the series S should have never existed.

[@duppypixels]

@@electrikoptiki played this on both series x and series s, and i played them both on separate 4KTV’s… whatever upscaling they’re using on this game is working really good because it definitely doesn’t LOOK like its running in 720p or lower… same as alot of recent games running at lower resolutions. Even in this video you can tell the upscaling is doing a pretty good job

[@Jokerwolf666]

​@@electrikoptikIt is the engine not the system fyi.

[@edenk8898]

​@electrikoptik clearly dev team is lazy to optimize this game, xss can run many visual stunning game but not a lazy game.

[@ArronTKO]

@@electrikoptikfound the Jim Ryan simp

[@anakinskyguy6582]

How do developers run into all these crazy crashes and stability issues while on QA phase and still say, you know what, let's release it. Its absolutely insane.

[@GKoopa]

it's not the developers making the decisions in almost any studio besides the small ones, dude they just do the best job they can within their too-tight deadlines and the game comes out like this

[@chrisc6874]

exactly. this is why I don't buy anymore until i check the reviews

[@anakinskyguy6582]

@@GKoopa then we must stop buying games day one so these greedy bastards actually wait until the game is finished

[@carlos710mx]

They know it, they just don't care. They want the money.

[@vince.420]

Why spend time perfecting it when everyone stops playing a week later

[@denisruskin348]

Tom is too kind. 432p sub 30fps is not ''quite poor''. I would call that ''remove from Xbox store''.

[@DroneCorpse]

>320ms frame time had me dead

[@adk4986]

Honest to god, these framerates and reolutions are embarising. Absolutely shamefull UE5 is an awfull engine

[@4ikibrikivdamk3]

And cyberpunk on past gen was unacceptable, but this year releases are okey with stuttering and resolution that drops below 720p on main consoles! Also considering that many game coming out in unpolished state (of course not as bad as cyberpunk), the worst thing is that people still buying that, so we won't see situation improve. Lets just hope that we will see great releases that will set a benchmark that others need to hit.

[@edenk8898]

yeah, this game is not that vitual stunning and extremely poorly optimized.

[@Console_Gaming_Vids]

Unfortunately, Tom didn’t play far enough for the autosave stutter to manifest. It has something to do with save file size which gets bloated after so many hours. The game then stutters every time it autosaves, which is multiple times a minute. It’s bad.

[@Crimsongz]

The new skyrim

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

Wow, I thought that bug was unique to Skyrim on the ps triple. That's honestly fascinating.

[@marlow21]

this. man the autosave stutters on the final areas of the game are so annoying.

[@desmondbrown5508]

Oh that's what that shit is? I was SO confused as to why in areas that I've already loaded all shaders I was getting random bouts of stutter.

[@Console_Gaming_Vids]

@@stevenholmes4324 Yeah, that’s not true.

[@Navierstokes256]

don't dislike the video if you are frustrated about the performance. DF is just covering it.

[@bargaintuesday812]

Doesn't matter either way. A like and dislike are the same. Both equal the same amount of "engagement" for the algorithm.

[@XcN3Retrogameplays]

Digital Foundry waited until both versions were patched and xbox was degraded to match poerformance parity.

[@godbelow]

Don't tell me what to do!

[@leonel9110]

Once again PS5 showing better performance then series x what a joke

[@ihmpall]

Oooombral realm !!

[@butai2116]

If I wanted 720p in the modern day, I'd just turn on my PS3... This is pathetic.

[@paul1979uk2000]

At first, we were all excited about UE5 and even though from a tech level, it's quite impressive, the performance and cut backs on some games are getting crazy, especially when using upscaling to render at a really low resolution that even the PS3 would be proud off lol. I don't know if it's the engine is badly optimised or it's the developers pushing the engine too hard, but it feels they need to scale back a little with the current hardware or do some major optimisations. The more I keep seeing, the less impressed I am with UE5, where it's almost feeling like an engine that's designed for the next gen hardware that's not on the market yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for visual flash and all that, but not at the extent of the cutback they need to do to get there. The funny thing is, the games we are seeing where the resolution is dropping to crazy levels, the visuals are not exactly blowing us away, and considering how much we are seeing this from game to game with UE5 is making me feel like the engines is really badly optimised on all platforms, I'm all for better visuals but it feels like UE5 needs a lot more hardware to do what other engines can do with far less power.

[@phant0mdummy]

So here's what basically happened: The consoles finally got powerful enough to deliver UE4 games properly, at 60fps. And the industry quickly shifted to UE5 projects that will not run well on this hardware.

[@murray821]

I don’t like the dotted particle effects that everything appears to be made of. You see objects and textures materialize into existence like its Scotty pushing the switch. The water effects in UE5 suffer from this and the reflections are terrible. Torches above water dont reflect like it should, but the entire scene gets projected on the water making it appear that the background is on fire and causes that reflection. Its weird. Perhaps ray tracing fixes that, but that is currently impossible to run decent on the ps5.

[@phant0mdummy]

@@murray821 what you're talking about sounds like the effects of upscaling from sub 1080p images. The upscaler doesn't have enough information and things start to break down.

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@phant0mdummy That's true, they are pushing the boat out with the newer gen consoles, but they've got a lot more power to play with compared to the last gen consoles, besides, we are also seeing a lot of this mess on the PC with higher end hardware. It just feels like the quality we are seeing doesn't match up with the hardware needed, and none of these consoles should be dropping to such a low resolution whiles still getting poor performance and considering this is happening with many UE5 games, regardless of features being used does kinda suggest there's something wrong with the engine that's needing way too much power. This engine is supposed to be next gen for the current gen hardware and PC's, but it feels like we are taking a few steps back when it comes to resolution and stability of the frame rate, it's almost getting to the point where I dread the idea of a game using UE5 before performance for the visuals won't look that great and there are likely a lot of other issues with bugs, frame rate stability and so on.

[@wodensthrone5215]

​@paul1979uk2000 PC can brute force a lot of these issues with high end hardware while using DLSS 3.5 or FSR3, something neither consoles offer. And it's still up in the air if the ps5 and Series consoles will get any FSR3 support.

[@mattspeer01]

I find it hilarious that Epic said they were working hard to keep UE5 from being as disastrous as UE4 has been for performance, especially on PC. Yet here we are in the same situation all over again. Idiots.

[@DroneCorpse]

Unity’s mainstream alternative cannot just be Unreal.

[@deepblue8143]

Unreal is just a tool. It's not their fault that these developers just plain suck.

[@millrrs]

The low resolution... the poor performance... we are going backwards.

[@Rocko130185]

I had no problems until I got to the fens on ps5, then I'd the strangest frame rate issues I've ever seen. Everything on screen was moving at different frame rates, the enemies were coming at me at about 15fps, though everything else was about 30 or 40, my character was 60. I've never seen anything like it.

[@kostasbousbouras2654]

It's just pure magic😂

[@iihamed711]

The magic of UE5 😍

[@ciprianstanciu7]

That's due to animation optimizations. Only a specific number can run animations every frame, then when adding more characters, they run every 2 frames, then every 3 frames. Problem is, it's not about "onscreen" but more like how many are spawned in the world, so if you explore a lot, you get more spawns and it can't keep up with all of them animating.

[@Rocko130185]

@ciprianstanciu7 the result of the endless trash mobs.

[@PushStart_YT]

you unlocked easy mode

[@BassCannon420]

Regardless of the patches, the fact they thought releasing the game in this state is okay shows the state of the gaming industry and its disregard for the customers.

[@SurrealLeaf]

We should expect better, however no studio outside something like CDPR/Nintendo can delay games for months to year JUST for bugs and optimizing. They dont have money for it. You have to release the game some day to pay bills. That being said, Series S performance is big yikes.

[@koenuffing4416]

Ah, yes, CDPR - the shining example of a 'release it when it's ready' ethos /s @@SurrealLeaf

[@johnmarstall]

It sold 1 million in ten days. The publisher was exactly right about its customers. From a purely economic rational perspective, I'd be promoting the manager that forced it out.

[@willjohnboy]

​@@SurrealLeafnintendo does it right though cdpr takes forever and still releases a broken game

[@BassCannon420]

They can but as long as people keep buying and making excuses for it then they won't @@SurrealLeaf

[@jesusleal6262]

Sub 1080p native resolution is inexcusable upscaling or not. Upscaling technologies were supposed to help older GPUs to keep up with recent releases but now these technologies are either exclusive to new hardware (DLSS Frame generation) or mandatory to run games at decent framerates.

[@cdragon88]

Help older gpus keep up? 😂😅. Never heard they made upscalers just for that reason.

[@lemmy154]

😂😂

[@guyjackson4165]

It’s not just sub 1080p - it’s sub 720p! You have to go back to *before* PS360 to find resolutions that low! It’s completely ridiculous!

[@juanchomsh]

Speaking of unreal 5, both lumen, nanite and virtual shadow maps are technologies that work at pixel level, so upscaling benefits them extremely. I'm not defending this game, it's clearly poorly optimized and has a lot of work ahead of it.

[@xtr.7662]

​@@juanchomshits not like that all these features are very intensive and shouldnt be thrown like this especially on these consoles thats why custom engines are still very important

[@someguyusa]

I am very tired of so many games releasing in these lousy states. Performance issues should not even be a concern on this generation of consoles. I don't know what the deal is, but I am getting pretty annoyed with this generation of games overall.

[@Stephen_Black]

It’s kinda crazy they are charging $70 for AA Eurojank running at 432p and 5fps. This game is an absolute disaster. Without a hint of irony, I’d rather play the 2014 original. Even if they ironed out the technical problems, it’s a few steps below Steel Rising, Mortal Shell, or Thymesia, and not even in the same league as the Team Ninja games or Lies or P.

[@ThomasVvV]

Its a way better game than all of these. Especially Nioh 1&2 are so bad. Performance will get fixed but a shitty game at 120fps is still a shitty game

[@Crimsongz]

The performance will never get fixed until the PS6 lol@@ThomasVvV

[@Stephen_Black]

@@ThomasVvV it’s literally the worst Soulslike I’ve ever played and it’s not even close. Glad you’re enjoying it but you can compare any metric: console and pc performance, sales, critic reviews, user reviews and Nioh wins every single category by a giant margin. So you might love it, but you are definitely the outlier. But hey, different strokes I guess. Enjoy!

[@ThomasVvV]

@@Stephen_Black Lol Lords of the Fallen got really good sales, and the bad reviews mainly come from the performance issues, but yeah some people enjoy trash from the Doa Xtreme developers

[@Stephen_Black]

@@ThomasVvV Correct. Many millions more people prefer Ninja Gaiden, and the Nioh series to this game. Glad you recognize you’re an outlier in the minority, here. But it’s hard to argue with CI Games track record: Enemy Front, Dogfight 1942 and Alien Rage are all certified bangers. Between those and the 2 LotF games, they are certainly consistent if nothing else.

[@RagoonCrown]

I am very disappointed how UE5 is turning out on consoles. I remember seeing the first UE5 tech demo running on PS5 and thinking “Wow! Cannot wait to see what mind blowing graphics we will see using UE5 running on consoles!” Now that we are finally getting UE5 games….they do not look mind blowing and the fact that they have to run at such a low resolution when we were just already hitting the 1440p-4K with high fidelity games running at 60fps, its a downgrade. If the cost of using UE5 means resolutions lower than 1440p and lower textures, just go back to UE4. Comparing LOTF and Remnant 2 (using UE5) to Callisto Protocol or Mortal Kombat 1 (using UE4), you can fool me and say MK and CP are using UE5 while LOFT and Remnant is using 4. At this point, just wait for the next gen of consoles and hopefully UE5 can be more optimized for consoles.

[@krzysztof6591]

Demo was already low res for comparison. Also, RT is too heavy for any AMD APU.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

Arkham Knight is using Unreal 3 and looks leagues better than this next gen sh*t they’ve been pushing out. Trying to brute force a bunch of features they have no idea how to work with. Piss poor craftsmanship at its finest this generation.

[@concinnus]

It's not UE5 per se. It's Lumen and Nanite, which are optional, and general incompetence around loading -- which UE4 games also had. What UE5 needs is a Coalition game to come out and show other devs how it's done.

[@guilhermebasso9219]

Lies of P on UE4 looks great and it runs great.

[@EnglishMike]

First gen UE5 titles were always going to have performance issues. Once the developers have gained more experience with the engine, and more performance work has gone into the engine based on their feedback, things will improve significantly like they did for UE4 based console games.

[@martinramirez9647]

Can you feel the 'next gen' gaming experience?

[@liquid1514]

oh, i can feel it

[@m0ntypth0n]

At 432p resolution. We're right in the heat of "next gen"

[@znubionek]

you feel it too, don't you?

[@MT_Real_]

Series S is already dead

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

At this point im just waiting for ps5 pro or ps6

[@deepblue8143]

These so called next gen games look, feel and play worse than the PS4/XBox One generation of games. Look what was done on last gen 1.3 teriflop machines compared to what weve been getting recently, it makes no sense.

[@HAL1138]

Why release a game in this condition!? Could have been a great souls like with a ton of success without these terrible launch issues. They will never gain the player base back that they have lost.

[@AbrahamZX1]

Because people buy it anyway.

[@mrdappernature8861]

It runs pretty good on a good pc from what Ive seen. Consoles just cant handle it. And devs seems to have issues with optimizations recently.

[@DroneCorpse]

We live in a post-resolution world. The world’s resolution: 432p

[@WildHart_z]

This is shocking. You have such an unnecessarily kind amount of optimism despite the game dropping to SINGLE DIGITS in its framerate. Bizarre.

[@alex.starostin]

Exactly. If John did the video he would've destroyed this game

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

​@@alex.starostinThe tone of his Elden Ring video was so different lol

[@Anna_Rae]

Part of me questions how many Series S owners even have a VRR capable display.

[@SamuraiLJacks0n]

I do. My upstairs tv has my series S and VRR compatible

[@IMan_93_]

Yeah…Like buy a nice tv with VRR but then cheap out on the console?

[@sonnieslim5973]

@@IMan_93_tvs with VRR arent expensive lol

[@somegit7113]

@@IMan_93_you can get VRR 1080p/75hz monitors for cheap, I think that’s a good combo for it

[@SkelitonLord227]

How many series x owners? Or how many PC owners have one? The entitlement is real

[@Splendorius]

Dynamic 720p wtf? Is it a switch game?

[@Nick_Lavigne]

its crazy to see standard definition base resolutions in games nowadays.

[@AKSBSU]

This isn't an easy game to render. At any time you can use the lamp to peer into the other world, and enemies from the underworld can see you and pull you into their dimension. On top of that, the game is very detailed with cutting edge technology implemented.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

@@AKSBSUSo cutting edge that it starts to look worse than PS4 games. What’s the point if it’s all so badly handled ?

[@originalityisdead.9513]

​@@flyingplantwhale545 The mediocre hardware in the 9th gen consoles doesn't help. The PS5 was great at launch, nowadays the experience it provides is OK at times and obysmal at others.

[@KemmelPinto.]

​​​@@originalityisdead.9513It's not like it's much better on PC, unless you're considering that all games should be optimized only for the 0.1% that own high end GPUs and CPUs. Last gen had way worse hardware for it's time and we weren't seeing this kind of embarassing launches at this point of the generation.

[@Coxy_Wrecked]

@@originalityisdead.9513 That would be because at launch (and the following 2 years) you were playing PS4 games on a PS5.

[@Whiteshade]

This game was nominee for game of the year at Golden Stick Awards but not Lies of P. Lies of P is smoothest game I've played this year. And it was my GOTY after Baldurs Gate 3.

[@SiixCurses]

I refunded on Series X after the courtyard and Pieta fight. I really wish devs would've stuck with UE4 for a while. Lumen and nanite aren't worth the drawbacks.

[@JoseFArias-lt4uv]

Sub 720p and 20 fps in 2023. Thanks!

[@znubionek]

looks like next gen games should be played on CRT monitor lmao

[@Judie-Nator]

Honestly, I don't think it's worth it to have a 60fps mode in UE5 games on Series S if the image quality and preformance is going to be this bad. I know UE5 isn't a very optimized engine but I think a 30 and 40 fps mode would make much more sense for the S

[@kenroyforrester156]

Out of everything you saw I'm this video the series s was your problem? Dude, you have serious issues

[@Omar-kl3xp]

@@kenroyforrester156I mean 400p range resolution is wild in 2023 , worst resolution then ps3 lol

[@captaincrunch6011]

​@@Omar-kl3xpworse than most (If not all) PS2 games.

[@malazan6004]

Series s isn't worth it period

[@RyanThomas-oh1wk]

ps5 and x runnning 720p lol@@Omar-kl3xp

[@LordRaydenTube]

„The game is on the right track“ showing the Series S Version with 6 fps. Well..

[@Poptartsicles]

PS5 and XBSX. The 648p Generation. Thanks UE5.

[@randyrrs7028]

the engine is not to blame, these consoles are not powerful enough

[@Poptartsicles]

@@randyrrs7028 You're half right. UE5 features are a bad choice for current gen, but the devs CHOSE to use nanite and lumen anyways. You can't blame a console when human beings made poor software decisions that didn't fit the target hardware. There are tons of games on PS5 and Series X that look AND run better than this because they actually targeted the hardware and made appropriate software decisions.

[@gavindvs]

Thanks for covering this. I got the Xbox series X version of the game on launch and the stuttering and frame times were terrible. I couldn't believe how they could release the game in that state and couldn't find anyone covering the Xbox performance issues at that point. Refunded the game in the end as it was unplayable after the first boss area

[@Sid-Cannon]

Umpteen patches later and it's still broken. UE5 just isn't ready and needs polishing, but let's release broken games anyway that we can't fix with patches SMH ...

[@rng81]

Holy shit, Series S looks like pixelart in performance mode :D

[@AlexAnteroLammikko]

Who doesn't like pixelart :p

[@ka7al958]

I mean Series X and PS5 are not that much better.

[@Omar-kl3xp]

@@ka7al958at least they are at over 1080p but the series s is literally 400p range which it is insane ,worst resolution then ps3

[@stephkm3655]

​@@Omar-kl3xpThat's dumb reasoning. PS3 will run this game at 0fps 20p. And this is clearly both a heavy and unoptimized game.

[@ka7al958]

@@Omar-kl3xp they're not though, they have sub 1080p lower range on both modes

[@yc_030]

432p on series s is insane that's worse than ps2

[@flyingplantwhale545]

Pretty much every Xbox one game that’s running enhanced on the Series S looks like a generational leap above this sh*t. What an utter failure.

[@killermoon635]

Most PS2 games ran at 512x448 internally then upscaled to 480i 720x432 still have more total pixels than PS2 games

[@znubionek]

@@killermoon635 before the patches it was something around 500 x 300 though, so it was lower than ps2

[@Mr78Stiffler]

432p, wow. So thats how current gen looks now.

[@znubionek]

you feel it too, dont you?

[@alex.starostin]

I wish you showed the game running in its launch state. It was truly a horror/shit show

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

They don't seem to have tested past Pilgrim's Perch either and it gets so much worse in Fen and Lower Calrath.

[@yoked391]

Insane graphics that you cant notice because its blurry/muddy look and low res 😂😂😂

[@alex.starostin]

Lol, so true

[@Fire-bj5vc]

If this is what UE5 games look and feel, I just hope fromsoftware stays with their current engine for now. Frame and resolution drops cannot be tolerated on souls games..

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

Thomas! Great to hear you again! Love your videos!

[@papichuckle]

Modern developer moment, making all hardware useless unless you are rich like digital foundry and can buy the best stuff to brute force acceptable performance

[@kostasbousbouras2654]

640p in 2023...horrible optimization and performance. And still, rhere are many people who say that they loved the game....

[@ThePropaneSalesman]

So I should just redownload Dark Souls 3 and play on PS5. Okay, duly noted DF! 👍

[@crisotunity]

Series S: the albatross around next gen's neck. It wasn't enough that we needed to contend with cross-gen for so long, now the poor developers need to cater to this standing joke and Microsoft's "feature parity" requirements.

[@deepblue8143]

Those are some great mental gymnastics you've got going on there.

[@May1stBurst]

Epic has got to fix the traversal loading stutter. How good Nanite and lumen look is irrelevant if i am taken out of the experience with big stutters every time i walk through a doorway. If it is a developer issue like people say then why does almost evey unreal game suffer from this problem? This has been an issue since ue3. FIX IT!

[@znubionek]

you feel it too, dont you?

[@John-qh3sl]

When a better game Lies of P is on gamepass, no point in buying this game on Series X/S. This game feels fast when running around but the combat motions look very clunky.

[@soulhunter6.6.6]

Look at this, the Performance on the Xbox consoles, it's absolute hilarious ! WTF 😂😂😂

[@TheBean87]

It’s the same on ps5….

[@soulhunter6.6.6]

@@TheBean87 No, did you saw that in the video, that PS 5 goes 0 fps ? No !

[@TheBean87]

@@soulhunter6.6.6 that’s a bug that the developer didn’t fix, honestly do you not understand that games need to be optimized and QA needs to be followed? You don’t think that bugs going to get patched?

[@soulhunter6.6.6]

@@TheBean87 keep talking bs, Xbox is trash and always will be trash!

[@TheBean87]

@@soulhunter6.6.6 sounds like you get upset over the truth haha.

[@techtunnel402]

UE5 should have been reserved for PS6/next Xbox generation.

[@randyrrs7028]

100% agree

[@johnmarstall]

7:56 ONE FRAME PER SECOND. That's…I don't know. That's an accomplishment on these current consoles. I just have to applaud it, really.

[@kostasbousbouras2654]

It's not an "accomplishment" for the consoles. It's just the devs fault again.

[@JamieRobert_]

Yeah we need new consoles badly

[@johnmarstall]

@@kostasbousbouras2654 The current consoles are very powerful, which is why it's such an accomplishment.

[@deepblue8143]

​@@johnmarstallnot powerful enough, the best looking games are all cross gen. This gen has been a joke.

[@johnmarstall]

@@deepblue8143 I only own Switch; let me have this

[@elwingy]

So another game were ps5a lot of people made some rather immature comments on the Alan Wake 2 comparison boasting about the “extra power” of the xbox series x doing its thing compared to ps5. Now with this one we are back to the normality, ie ps5 enjoying a boost in performance. My point isnt so much about ps5 vs xbox rather than people understanding that it is nothing more than proper optimization for each system. Countless games enjoy performance boost on one or the other machine and yet with a patch things are fixed and there is parity. Alan Wake 2 will eventually be improved on the ps5 via patch. There is no doubt about that. This game like many other games are going to be polished for series x like it has happened before. I dont know how desperate are some people to boast about their system of preference but they are annoying as hell.

[@annabeldomenech4806]

0 on series x yikes 😮

[@yep8673]

Game devs need to prioritize framerate and clean image quality before they dump resources into making games look 20% better visually which comes at a 60-70% performance cost. Most people do not have GPUs and CPUs that can run such games smoothly not to mention consoles that don't even have DLSS to help them.

[@rKAL-EL]

430p in 2023. Just wow! 😂

[@koreybarton523]

I'm happy Digital Foundry done a video on this. Iv'e been wanting them to fix the performance on X-Box series X sense in come out. There are still a lot of area's in the game where the frame rate drops, even getting into a frozen like stutter at moments. Feels like some of the newer patch's have even made it worse. I really hope the dev's actually fix it.

[@ryanwood6006]

Considering im not a frames-queen. The game dipping below 60 is like a nod to dark souls. Anyone remember good ole Blighttown?

[@timsohn7057]

Ah yes lol I dunno how I even made it out honestly haha

[@TheAxb2010]

5:25 "The longer the playstation" Tom probably meant play session 😁

[@nick4810]

432p😅 i spat my beer out when i heard that. what a joke this generation of consoles is lol, Series S really shouldn't exist.

[@mixaliss616]

On XBOX i think the more i play and time passes thegame loses performance..especially on umbral.... Like a memory leak or something...

[@mayen67]

Didnt digital foundry already cover this game? I think it was oliver talking about lumen not covering lighting in caves very well?

[@SimSimma.]

Playing on PS5. This is one of the few games I play in quality mode. I ramped up the camera sensitivity ,enabled motion blur, disabled film grain snd chromatic aberration and honestly it's more enjoyable than the performance mode

[@murray821]

Tried it, but i can’t stand 30 fps, it feels sluggish and terrible judder

[@Zenzuu]

Give it some time. After an hour or so playing, your brain will adjust to it, then pretty soon it'll feel normal. @@murray821

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@murray821it's not just 30fps, it's the uneven delivery that kills it.

[@SimSimma.]

@@murray821 I also usually hate it. But like I said. Try cranking up the camera sensitivity. You'll get used to it. I mean it's not a fast paced game anyway

[@murray821]

@@SimSimma. might try it, but I personally don’t like the high camera speed,

[@seangearhart4616]

This game should not have been released in its current state. This is horrendous.

[@ffff-um1fl]

another Unreal disaster

[@gabor-toth]

Typical Unreal Engine 5 hell. It doesn't look better than the best of last-gen, yet it runs like crap. UE5 is terrible at the moment.

[@BlackPaperMoon18]

I think i need like 17" crt tv for this game 😅

[@theconsolekiller7113]

I dont see it in the vids, but I got MAJOR texture pop in on the skybridge area before that flying boss. Its been over a month since I played, maybe this was patched? Im on Series X in quality mode. I was still really enjoying the game, but Pilgrim's Perch was kind of a buzz kill with how much I was wandering around, going in circles. Will get back to it. Hopefully they iron out some of the issues. Its an impressive effort aside from the huge lack of polish. You can tell theres a great core game underneath it all. Combat is a little too jenky, including not only the auto lock on but the manual lock on (click stick in), huge strides when striking with certain weapons, strikes missing despite looking like they hit, etc. Cant go up ladders quickly, the prompt is real fuckin finnicky. Hits lack that impact, parry is not too satisfying. Alot of little things that add up to something big. And of course all the pop in, stutter and tech issues. Couldve used another 6 months in the oven. Despite all the UE5 hype, I still think Lies Of P looks way better, cleaner, more atmospheric and of course just plays much much better. Enjoy both games. I admit that dual realm load in is damn cool though. Nice work there. Would love to see them continue this rebooted series with more polish in the next entries. Both games also use atmos sound which is very cool to see. Not enough coverage on sound in games. More games are starting to use Atmos which is nice since I got the fuckin ceiling speakers, rarely get to use them. Thought it would take off more.

[@Archeteo]

Fighting the boss and the frame rate boss, lol. It is staggering that not only are games released performing this poorly but also we're falling into the realms of standard definition in 2023. These consoles are underpowered but developers should know this and attempting to force in all of these technologies is ill advised to say the least.

[@parasolo89]

8:07 oh my lawd single digits of framedrops.

[@joKerchy]

Thank God we have Insomniac ❤

[@BrunoMael]

I can't believe UE5 will push Sony/MS to launch Pro Consoles out of the sheer incompetence of the engine The worst part is seeing companies with good engines that run well on consoles and PC switching for UE5

[@SlayerSeraph]

It would be extremely bad if PS5 Pro arrives and it's a rushed machine again... I rather have a proper PS6 sooner! PS5 Pro should GUARANTEE: 4K 120 FPS Performance 4K 60 FPS Quality RT And 4K 40 FPS Ultra Rt Quality

[@alumlovescake]

@@SlayerSeraph third party games will NEVER run at even a stable 30 or 60 no matter the hardware some things cant be brute forced

[@drummer7557]

The consoles can't handle it, hence the word CPU/GPU bottlenecking. Especially with the crappy little Series a$$. So this is NOT the developers fault. It's the machines. I mean 652p, and 482p in 2023?!!! Umm noooo.

[@BrunoMael]

@@SlayerSeraphand the thing is: if PS5 Pro is to PS5 what PS4 Pro was to the PS4, it won't be that big of an upgrade. And if it is a big upgrade, it will be too expensive. And MS's situation is worse, cuz they ALREADY have 2 consoles and plan to launch an extra variation (Series X Digital), what can they do? Launch Series SX and XX? Have 5 models on the market? Change the name logic again? And again, if they do launch upgraded versions, what guarantee we have that a Pro Series S/X will last? One X was an excellent upgrade but Series S and X made it useless (even tho Series S has less RAM and a weaker GPU), even the PS4 Pro lasted longer than One X in terms of crossgen games and exclusives

[@SlayerSeraph]

@@alumlovescake Lies of P runs FLAWLESS 60 FPS and 30 FPS on PS5 and looks much better and cleaner that this! Also running 60 FPS 1600p !!!

[@keurdecoyote1586]

Best played on PS5 despite the so called underpowered 10 tflops hardware 😏

[@Crashed131963]

Patch this mess. Even a ps4 plays Elden Ring well . Let alone the series-X or Ps5.

[@doxdox54]

I am waiting for it for a long time. Tks. Producer do update each week. I hope it will be better. It deserves it

[@Us_TuG]

Thank you for this one, this is one of the most expected analysis for me

[@Gaming_Vegan_Ape]

The constant patches let me know they care. Also, always relaunch the game if you're using quick resume on seriesX. It really tanks the fps if you don't.

[@redbeardnj]

I just got another update this morning lol

[@andreaisonline]

This is an issue I noticed in other games too...

[@focabox5594]

They started to care after the game released. So curious

[@alumlovescake]

Care would be a good product at launch

[@3Faidonas3]

​@@alumlovescakehow could they possibly make it as good when you compare playtesting of ~100 hexworks employees vs a million players. It's much easier for them to actually spot and take care of bugs now

[@noshow]

The game is pretty damn fun on pc, its too bad it had so many issues. It is a very ambitious soulslike with some great new mechanics that set it apart.

[@sujimayne]

The game really favors the slow and methodical approach, rather than just running till you come face-to-face with an enemy or trying to sprint through everything. And on a technical level, it is a masterpiece. Performance on PC is great (had some issues originally, but patches came in quick) and the two-world mechanic is amazing.

[@sikevillian]

Own it on the PS5 and yeah it is damn fun to play. Absolutely love it. I hope pc versions have been much better for ya.

[@lum1notryc828]

Combat is fundamentally shit. A total of like 5 different enemy's, with the SAME layout EVERY TIME. Snipers behind with dogs in front of them and 1 or 2 melee dudes, so embarrasing

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

​@@sujimayne"On a technical level it's a masterpiece" did you watch the video? It's a mess mate.

[@andyward8430]

I’m looking forward to the coalition or another top tier developer putting out a game in unreal engine 5 just because I think they will iron out any performance issues and whatever solutions they come up with will probably make its way to other studios.

[@deepblue8143]

I haven't seen dithering this bad since the Sega Genesis, this is unreal. These next gen consoles are anything but, talk about a real disappointment.

[@yc_030]

There hasn't been a halfway decent running UE5 game yet on consoles and I don't think we'll see one this generation

[@SilverEye91]

Fortnite.

[@SilverEye91]

There's also very, very few UE5 games. What else has there been on consoles? Robocop, WRC? What else?

[@akumadeath]

Remnant II runs really nice on consoles

[@LucDutra92]

One could argue that no UE5 game so far has being launched by the big players of the industry yet. It's been mostly AA efforts by somewhat less known devs. They take advantage of the accessibility of the UE5 to push out rushed games and be branded pioneers with the new engine I imagine.

[@Luhiner]

alan wake 2

[@ek2who]

Somehow this game looks worse than three years old Demon's Souls Remake in many aspects.

[@olliewilliamsAI]

Will it play well on PS5 Pro? Hopefully it will solve some of these issues when it comes out. I’ll probably pick up this game whenever that comes out

[@johnkoutroubas754]

This game is a disaster on performance, unbelievable how anyone allowed this to release.

[@firexallst4rz277]

720p gaming in 2023 ? oof

[@flyingplantwhale545]

What’s the point of all the graphical features if they’re ruined by piss poor image quality? All the micro detail they’ve been touting for UE5 turns to soup. What a joke.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

I believe the reason they have been pushing UE5 so hard is because they can use nanite to save dev time and in turn the investors see a return on their investment quicker. More games in a shorter space of time equals more cash. Its always about money, always.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

@@originalityisdead.9513 You might very well be right. In return though, they get negative press for both, their game and the console it’s running on.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@@flyingplantwhale545 I think they've realised that games will sell regardless. Look at COD, $100 million a month and it's the same crap year after year. They either need to release as PS5/Xbox console revision or go back to 30FPS as the hardware just aint powerful enough. This generation has been the worst imo, its gone from 1440p 60FPS to an absolute mess. There's only so much you can do with optimisation, and i think the release of these newer titles has shown that new hardware is needed.

[@Lostro98]

is framerate on ps5 better if ran at 1440p output with hdr off?

[@jacksteel3464]

@digital foundry, are you guys going to do a graphical breakdown of Robocop for consoles?

[@Cgerrex]

Amazing video. Hopefully you can do another analysis in 3 months so we can compare how much it improves. Another patch just came out yesterday and they announced the auto save stutters will be fixed next week.

[@rafiii_808]

Unreal engine 5 is still a performance mess, 3 years after it's first presentation

[@bettydougherty7392]

I would love a look at this game and optimised settings on PC

[@Prasto06]

These kind of games and UE5 are asking for PS5 Pro and Series XX

[@CakeSublime]

Had to return it after an hour on the Series X version couldn't stand the way combat felt and the eye searing busy environments.

[@JamesGowan]

I’m having a great time on PS5 but do wish the HITCH that happens on Auto-Save which happens a lot. Time will tell! I almost wish IMBRAL didn’t exist because I think having just one would help performance so much

[@evostu7814]

648p on these powerhouse consoles 😂

[@rafaelramoscardona3108]

Would VRR help the performance mode for both consoles or does the game need to run closer to 120fps for VRR to really do anything? Genuine question if anyone can answer.

[@accountteam9859]

What? VRR does not increase performance, it only eliminates the Screen-Tearing on a way more effective way than V-Sync.

[@JamieChorley]

I look forward to picking this up in the bargain bin section years from now for next to nothing and actually working

[@BenjerminGaye]

They have a memory leak problem

[@dri_him]

Why no 40fps@120hz mode?

[@Kenjitsuka]

Started playing two days ago on PS5. Am in area 8 and the massive hitches and horrible pop in are still very real. Would recommend, though!

[@balaam_7087]

I was excited for this initially, but ultimately decided to pass. Not because of any performance issues, but due to yet another poorly designed trophy list. In today’s age of ‘games comes out, six weeks later servers are due to be shutdown’ I cannot be bothered worrying about multiplayer/online only trophies. That killed any desire I had to spend my money on this. Not sure why devs refuse to design trophy lists that cater to trophy hunters, the only people who care about trophies to begin with…

[@deepblue8143]

Trophies suck, gamer score is way better.

[@frankynakamoto2308]

A 40FPS balance mode using the same Performance mode settings, VRR 120hz and a much more aggressive mesh shaders would do so much justice for Series S/X & PS5.

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

I don't think it even has VRR does it?

[@3dmarth]

Can you get John to announce this game in his *Lichdom Battlemage* voice? It's been a long time coming, but we finally have a successor, in the form of Lords of the Fallen!

[@cosmosofinfinity]

PC release should've been delayed by a couple months, and console releases should have been delayed by an extra year

[@thanasispinkflo]

This is the craziest fps drop game for my entire life as a gamer. I never seen anything like that. Of i put that on side it was an amazing game.