Aemond VS Lucerys Was Very Different In The Books

Vhagar vs Arrax was much different in the books. Despite the outcome being the same the intentions behind it were far different.
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[@DurvalLacerda]

I liked how in the show both Dragons attack each other without their rider's command, showing how young and unexperienced the riders are. Two kids with nuclear weapons.

[@loremonkey]

Thats a really wild and terrifyingly accurate way of putting that.

[@joyelizabethmellinger]

The belief that we control the Dragons?... Is an illusion. - Viserys Targaryen Should've seen that coming from a mile away. Love this show. 💯💯💯

[@loremonkey]

George really loves that foreshadowing

[@stew-03]

@@joyelizabethmellingerEspecially with an old beast like Vhagar

[@austinbridges518]

They should've called Hiccup, he'd have set them straight with a nose pat and some fish.

[@lnarius]

I think he felt like he wanted revenge but didn’t want to escalate the cold war into a real war.

[@loremonkey]

So much for that

[@user-ll6zn3xv9v]

That's why you don't bully.

[@loremonkey]

Typically doesnt end well@@user-ll6zn3xv9v

[@thalmoragent9344]

​@@user-ll6zn3xv9v Well, Lucerys took his eye 😅

[@matthewriley7826]

And getting a reputation as a kinslayer is NOT something you want to have.

[@anthonyufert8477]

The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion.

[@loremonkey]

big facts

[@smithers4420]

People love this quote but 90% of the time they do in fact control their dragons lol

[@humbleherald2163]

@@smithers4420That’s like saying ‘90% of the time, one’s children and vassals obey them’. Yes, the Targaryens (and Valyrians in general) do have a good track record, else they probably wouldn’t even bother trying to ride nuclear dinosaurs. But just like with one’s children or vassals, the dragons choose to obey, they are never forced. They are animals with wills of their own, and psychic connection between dragon and rider is delicate rather than compulsive.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

I think it has more to do with controlling one's emotions rather then outright controlling one's dragon through domination. It's said a dragon and it's rider share an empathic bond. Yet the catch is at the end of the day.. nobody can truly control one's emotions. Only actions. Making it inevitably impossible to control one's dragon outright. Which is why Vhagar AND Arrax both did what they did....fueld by the emotions felt and shared through both of their riders at that time. Arrax acted out of fear, anger, panic and defense....while Vhagar acted out of impetuous revenge, rage and superiority...all emotions felt undoubtedly by their corresponding riders.

[@susushisushi]

wow you’re so cool for quoting 🥺

[@kingkongchief1177]

Aemonds reaction in the show makes perfect sense cause he knew that he fucked up worse than any other Targaryen in history and just started a civil war by accidentally drawing first blood that would forever damage his families dynasty and power over Westeros so bad that it caused his family to be overthrown entirely 172 years later all because of his stupidity and vengefulness against his nephew.

[@legacyandrews1339]

His dragon had a mind of its own after being attacked, hard to command a dragon to just take a fireball to the face without retaliation

[@BobbyBoucher634]

@@legacyandrews1339he still fucked up in a massive way. Lucerys was headed back to dragonstone, all he had to do was let his nephew leave

[@loremonkey]

He did decide to chase him. Kinda his fault

[@Mohler41]

​@@loremonkeyits all viserys fault

[@user-ll6zn3xv9v]

Yup. But marrying a Hightower ruined the Targaryens.

[@jayfiggs4656]

I like how the show explains the solid fact that although Aemond was just toying around. Vhagar, a seasoned dragon who's seen many wars. Was not.

[@loremonkey]

All fun and games until someone gets eaten

[@kkplx]

I still think she was very much toying around until the other drake attacked her.

[@miraculousfanyt]

​@@kkplxI don't think so imo

[@Alias102.]

I think Vhagar was toying around too, snapping his jaws behind Luces dragon. Everything was fine until the little dragon decided to grow balls

[@Alias102.]

⁠@@miraculousfanytVhagar was snapping her jaws behind Luce, I think they were both messing around, if he wanted to eat the dragon he would’ve done it long before it blew on his face

[@lordbonney9779]

I mean, GRRM literally says himself that the book “Fire and Blood” isn’t necessarily trustworthy. It was written long after the fact, and most of the sources in the book are written by people who dislike like Aemond or Lucerys particularly, one being Rhaenyra’s fool and another being a Septon of the faith.

[@loremonkey]

Hard to tell, which is more accurate. I like how it's kinda up to interpretation

[@ErikPT]

Innacurate or not in the books Aemond shed no regret.

[@lordbonney9779]

@@ErikPT if I wrote a book about a WW2 General with my witnesses being giant anti-war proponents, chances are my witnesses will alter the truth by accident or on purpose. Aemond may have been regretful, but Mushroom never interacted with him so he wouldn’t know, Septon Eustace tries to make Aegon look good to justify his own actions so he isn’t too credible, Eustace also had extremely limited interaction with Aemond as well so he isn’t privy to Aemond’s thoughts either. Ultimately, we do not know. He might’ve been a one dimensional villain, but this is ASOIAF we are talking about, even the most evil characters like Ramsey and the Masters of Slaver’s Bay aren’t completely one dimensional, and that makes me inclined to believe GRRM’s historical characters aren’t so simple either.

[@gravesidepoet5405]

@@lordbonney9779Ramsey is 100% one dimensional. And that’s ok

[@willyrodriguez10]

​@serendipity4346 thats actually wrong info. GRRM said that the book and show have different cannons. The show is not what actually happened. If you had read the books you would know that would impossible.

[@fergalosanchez7675]

I normally hate background music but this went very well with the dragon imagery

[@loremonkey]

I'm glad it fits! I'm always torn on when to include it. I try to use it only if it adds to the vid not as a rule

[@Niddhogg_]

the song used here is from a game called Bloodborne,you should check the OST,it's scary

[@nickthegreat9434]

​@@loremonkeyvery good fit with the bloodborne music for a massive dragon chasing, laurences theme right?

[@martinaraya8728]

​@@nickthegreat9434I think it's the Cleric Beast's fight

[@ryanharvey1610]

@@loremonkeylove bloodborne it fits well with the darker parts of tsoiaf

[@thekameru6058]

I like the depiction on screen. That this gigantic old nuclear weapon with a mind of its own obeys him 99% of the time, but when an upstart, comparatively tiny panicked dragon defensively dares to flame at her face, the gloves comes off. Neither of them had full control of their mounts for different reasons. That oh crap moment was fantastic.

[@loremonkey]

It does play out very well. Im excited to see how that plays out next season

[@TheVikingWolf12]

If in the next season Aemond changes the story of what happened, as in saying "I did what I had to do" or "He deserved it", I would read it as Aemond trying to own up to it. Admitting you couldn't control a dragon, an animal known to be subservient to your house, might seem worse than kinslaying.

[@loremonkey]

From a power perspective, it could. You would have to weigh public opinion on your morals vs. your control.

[@legacyandrews1339]

Lucery couldn't control his either though. Aemond was in control until his dragon got attacked with a fireball to the face

[@loremonkey]

For sure. Dragons are wild beasts, especially with an inexperienced rider they can do what they want

[@po0rter373]

@@loremonkey although I think it is important that Vhagar is not similar to a pet or horse unlike some other dragons, she is a hardened 200 year old veteran that has been killing and destroying things longer than Aemonds parents have been alive. Vhagar getting blasted in the face with a fireball from Arrax probably sent her into a frenzy that no rider could have prevented

[@david91lvb]

Yea that's exactly what he will do

[@highlordmungus8729]

Despite the writers changing the greens to being pretty much the villains of the show, unlike in the books where many characters on both sides had their big faults and evil moments, I like how they changed Aemond to be more of a complicated youth than heartless, as well Daemon being more sinister. If I recall in the books it was not made clear that Daemon murdered his first wife, and likely did not do the deed and was a real accident. Can't wait for their showdown in the second or third season!

[@highlordmungus8729]

Going back to the Game of Thrones tv show, my favorite episode/battle scene was the Battle of Blackwater Rush (Stannis vs the Lannisters), since we weren't really compelled to root for either army, unlike most other shows/movies where there are clear good and evil sides. This made the battle all the more exciting in my opinion, especially since I watched the show before reading the books and had little to no idea of who was going to win.

[@loremonkey]

I like Aemond as a more grey character, over Alicents change. If executed correctly, it could make his character really dynamic in the dance. Alicent being good is just kinda boring imo

[@loremonkey]

Game of Thrones battle sequences are ao sick. Not having a dog in the fight can certainly make it a more fun watch!

[@highlordmungus8729]

@@loremonkey idk i could see Alicent developing into a compelling villain in the later seasons through multiple paths. She could succumb more to the influence of her ambitious and villainous advisors (mainly Larys and her father, as well as the rest of the council) as the war progresses, or push away, becoming a more independent regent and eventually turning into another Cersei. Or, since she has somewhat of an estranged and harsh relationship with Aegon, and he now comes to enjoy his position since he was crowned, she may be unable to control his rashness and she slips into madness as both of her sons have become brutal warlords and kinslayers through her own manipulation of them in their early lives.

[@highlordmungus8729]

There is also Criston Cole, feeding Alicent and her sons hatred of Rhaenyra and her sons, and there is Helaena who is a nutcase and could likely do little to console Alicent if her sons abandon her to their war, both characters which could further influence Alicent's turn to villainy and/or madness.

[@ChildOfTheFlower]

My think this change was made due to a callback from earlier in which Viserys stated the dragons can't be controlled. Everyone is excited about the dragons, but we all forget these creatures can cause destruction where Daenerys had to put them aways because she couldn't control them. With Aemond losing control of the situation and Lucerys getting killed, it shows that no only Viserys was correct but the Targaryens' over reliance on the beasts was their downfall.

[@loremonkey]

The link between riders and dragin is poorly understood. They are still animals with their own wills evidently.

[@Teddy-tz6zw]

I’m so happy someone remembers that when Dani’s dragons were “teenagers” she had to lock them up because they were unruly. Yes, she regrets this and lets them go free later. But had she not they would have never been loyal to her. She earned their trust and in turn they stayed and remained loyal to her.

[@merykhan97]

I believe he did regret it only because he knows what will follow. Rhaenyra could've accepted Alicents terms simply for peace and to protect her 3 elder sons. But losing her son was the last straw. He f*cked up big time. And became a kinslayer

[@loremonkey]

You think he didn't regret his actions just what would come of them

[@massimo4307]

When your kin is Lucerys it's not that big of a deal 😂

[@sblade777]

He murdered a very STRONG boy

[@imkool51391]

Aemonds look of "fuck i just started a war" 😂

[@riickyworld1]

He really did though. I can’t wait to see Alicent’s face when she finds out the f*ckery her son just caused lol.

[@doeb23]

Yep. That moment was outstanding acting.

[@PhilbertDeZwart]

The text in the book is written by a maester who is not an impartial narrator, so we can't trust the literal text of the book. That means that this might be the way it actually happened without breaking canon.

[@loremonkey]

Weird to think that the show may be more accurate than the book

[@ErikPT]

It's not because of the revisions but entertaining to see them attempt an adaption. @@loremonkey

[@in_vas_por8810]

But the Maesters are supposed to be controlled/baised towards Hightowers, right?

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

​@@in_vas_por8810certainly biased for sure. As both share the same home of Old Town. One hand feeds the other.

[@arhylle]

GRRMartin literally has said that the portrayal in the show is the first perspective of the characters, therefore it's accurate. İt's what really happened. @@loremonkey

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

Yeah when you're using a 500 ton animal of war in a joke you cant say you have a good excuse

[@loremonkey]

Yeah it's pretty bad. But you know how stupid people can be with stuff like that. He's 100% responsible, but I could buy it that he was like "its just a prank bro"

[@mappingshaman5280]

This is why i don't get aemond stans saying "it was an accident" as if thaf excuses aemond. It's like saying if i shoot an lmg in the air but something falls into me and knocks me over, causing me to shoot someone that i am not responsible for that persons death.

[@legacyandrews1339]

​@@mappingshaman5280It's a dragon, what did you think would happen if it got shot in the face with a fireball?

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@legacyandrews1339 that supports my point. You can't ride a creature like vhagar and then say its an accident when it acts vicious.

[@byunbaekhyun4010]

​@@mappingshaman5280 right on point my friend

[@williamballangarry2995]

I liked the change, showing the riders don’t control the dragons at all, and very real consequences can come from it. Aemond, intentional or not, just killed his nephew and started a war.

[@loremonkey]

It works especially as Aemond is a relatively young rider and has not had as long with vhagar as say jaehaerys and vermithor. The lack of contol makes sense

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

I think tge "control" has more to do with a riders ability or inability to control one's emotions. As dragon and rider are empathicaly linked. Or so they say. The catch is one can never truly control one's emotions fully...therfore a rider can never control one's dragon fully...rather only getting serviceably better at it.

[@kap2652]

Explain the iron throne then

[@williamballangarry2995]

@@kap2652 it’s a throne made from the swords of Aegon the Conquerors enemies. I hope that helps 🙏🏽

[@kap2652]

@@williamballangarry2995 aw yes and the dragon just wanted to make a nice little chair they control them at least enough to win wars and become kings

[@damienruzco]

The that was one of the most beautifully filmed scenes in either show got to hand it to them

[@loremonkey]

It was really sick. Im looking forward to more dragon fights in the next seasons!

[@damienruzco]

@@loremonkey yeah the one we got in GoT was hot garbage so hopefully they keep this up

[@loremonkey]

That's what I want! We got plenty in the dance, so even if they mess some up, we have a couple of chances. Hopefully there all good tho

[@ino7604]

Cleric beast music in the background 👍 👌

[@loremonkey]

A sharp ear! I found it fitting

[@ino7604]

Sorry, Vicar Amilia right?

[@loremonkey]

Nah you had it the first time it's cleric beast @@ino7604

[@Axesmed]

​@ino7604 both bosses use this soundtrack

[@ino7604]

@@Axesmed the sharpest ear

[@egesarca9550]

Also in the books, one of the Lord Baratheon's daughters say: "i thought you lost one eye, not your one ball. I want a full man". Then Aemond gets angry and goes after Lucerys to kill him.

[@siddharthgaur2205]

I can see it if Dragons can feel their riders true emotions then Vaghar reacted to Aemonds hatred

[@angeenoirceur]

So much for “it was a fair exchange, I might’ve lost an eye but I gained a dragon” 😂

[@TheV8Pumpkin]

I actually love this change! It his makes more sense for Aemond to now go full psychotic. Instead of just being a hateful school shooter, now hes known as the “kinslayer” and knows there is no turning back he will forever be a villain

[@loremonkey]

There's some good potential there. Im eager to see how they develop that plotline going forward. If he'll own it or deny it

[@jamesarockiaraj6390]

He'll probably tell the truth to someone possibly even daemon before their dance. A prank gone horribly wrong works well here.

[@apomtaylor8054]

But it's not necessarily a change. For all we know this is how that fight could have actually went down. The fight could only be seen from people on land, they didn't know exactly what was happening

[@massimo4307]

But he's not a villain. Not when compared to everyone else and how degenerate they are. He's not any more of a villain than Daemon or Rhaenyra.

[@TheV8Pumpkin]

@@massimo4307 not a villain???? He single handedly slaughtered every last member and relative of house Strong. Then proceeds to burn every small town and village in the riverlands out of spite. Then even tried to fin Lucerys’s dead body to rip out his eye to bring to his mother. And ofc the fact he had a witch as his mistress

[@DirtyDan6767]

I'm undecided here. I think it being an accident could play out in an interesting way if Aemond is remorseful and carries that throughout the dance, but well have to wait and see

[@jeffreysamson5938]

He will carry the guilt for sure. Dragons dying. I'm sure no targ want that. When facing daemon he'll confess this I think.

[@loremonkey]

I wonder if Aemond would change his actions if he knew this wpuld spark the extinction of dragons

[@ErikPT]

Spoilers: No lad inaccurate or historical bias... Aemond carries onward for the Dance to draw a bloodbath

[@matthewhenthorn3343]

I think it was a call back to what the King said at the start: the belief that we control the dragons is an illusion. Never is that more so than in the last two exchanges in the fight. Neither had control of their dragons.

[@loremonkey]

It's the same with any animal. But if your dog was a fighter jet

[@herbthompson8937]

It's only an illusion in this show...not in the canon.

[@UncleNuggets]

Love the music choice lol

[@mappingshaman5280]

The book is a history book and the only surviving witness to the battle is aemond whom obviously would not want people to think he cannot control his dragon as it would make him look like a weak fool. Therefore he might pretend he did it on purpose so as to make himself look stronger.

[@duanescott7484]

The dragon felt he was really annoyed by him. Even though he was just bullying, the dragon felt that as actual "you got us fucked up" and really ended that shit and caused a 100 year dethrowing 😂

[@loremonkey]

It would be funny if Vhagar was actually really smart and was like "enough pussyfooting around"

[@gandhimohandaszkaramcsand2634]

I think this was a really good change

[@loremonkey]

You think so?

[@kap2652]

Yea make the biggest moment in the Targaryens history a accident nothing like in the books like why was Aemond even chasing him if not to kill him bad writing those who think different need help

[@gandhimohandaszkaramcsand2634]

@@loremonkey This change gave Aemond an extra layer of characterisation. Instead of being a generic cool villain from the start, he made a huge mistake out of anger and revenge, which will start him on the pass to became a villain. And another really interesting question is how he will present this to the public? Will he admit that he lost control over his dragon thus making him a "weak" rider or will he embrace the "kinslayer" trait instead?

[@loremonkey]

It does provide some interesting plot dynamics for the charter going forward, which will alter how he is framed in a big way

[@loremonkey]

I can definitely understand not enjoying the change. Im giving it a chance until we see how it plays out in the following seasons.

[@ria-zul-zannah7100]

That actor who played Aemond is fabulous! His face was priceless after old granny Vhagar devoured baby Arrax.

[@loremonkey]

The look of shock is priceless

[@sarahr.9991]

i like that they made these changes though. history is written from the perspective of the victors, and despite the outcome of the dance of dragons ultimately it is Rhaenyra's descendants who are the victors in the end. i like the take on how thinks could have actually happened, but were written from a different lens based on the narrator

[@in_vas_por8810]

"Give me your eye bastard, or I will take it!" Doesn't strike me as very playful; what would have happened after that? They try to make it seem like an accident, but I think Aemond is just a bit ruthless, impulsive, and obviously not forward thinking. Even some killers irl sometimes are shocked by the results of their own behavior, and show remorse...AFTER the fact, due to the realization of consequences. That was his first kill.

[@harrisonherbert1848]

I love the idea of the the boss music playing during this fight .

[@cloudxen]

I don’t think this is a change, the book is a history book and therefore we only know what he said, but not how he felt. I feel like a lot of videos hype this “difference” from the books, but I think a better view is that the show is the events as they happened and the book is the events as they were recorded

[@loremonkey]

I know it's not explicitly different, but the implications change a lot

[@bgt2848]

Personally, I love how the interactions we learned about through the book have so much more nuance in the show. It makes the book feel like an actual book written by somebody with a perspective of the events and the show we are very witness to the actual historical events

[@loremonkey]

Its an interesting and unique dynamic thats fornsure

[@limiteelkpo0189]

Muy, muy bueno esta quedando el recinto del rex, felicitaciones por la creatividad y el esfuerzo Cata, se agradece mucho la dedicacion al canal, el entretenimiento que tengo con cada video es enorme jaja❤❤

[@fookpappyvanwinkle9162]

The animations here show a terrifying scale of size! Love it

[@Iggystarkk]

Because Fire and Blood is written from the view of the maesters it’s hard to say what really happened. They would’ve only had Aemonds point of view. I love how the show depicted it.

[@loremonkey]

It's definitely cool tongeg the up close look at the situation !

[@JoboMcFakeAF]

you said it at towards the end. They're portraying Aemond in the show differently because he wasn't supposed to start the war. it almost makes more sense he'd (selfishly) display shock and remorse because he FUCKED UP

[@loremonkey]

More concerned with the consequences than the acr

[@JoboMcFakeAF]

@@loremonkey BTW great art detail with the vertical dragon chase through the clouds bro

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

That one picture with Arrax flying and Vhagar's opened jaw right behind him nearly swallowing him reminds me of How to train you Dragon's final battle in the first movie 😂

[@deadzeppelin9565]

I really appreciate the work they’ve done this season to unravel any ambiguity as to who these characters really are.

[@loremonkey]

That was what I was worried about in S1. There was so much set up, and a lot of the characters personality was in the backgrpund as a byproduct. Now were really getting a chance to see their personalities take the forefront, which is super important in a show like GOT

[@MrNathan650]

The book fire and blood is told from the perspective of maester munkun, septon eustace and mushroom the dwarf. Just like any retelling of a story their accounts are biased by their own opinions. None of the people above know for sure what happened between Aemond and Lucerys simply because they weren't present there. Naturally they'd paint a sensational and simplistic picture of the true event with bits of nuance lost each time from one retelling to another. The show paints the true image of what happened and highlights how history can be misconstrued by those who are the authors of it simply because of incomplete knowledge, misinterpretation and personal biases. The same thing applies to Alicent, King Viserys, Rhaenyra and many others.

[@loremonkey]

I have heard the sentiment that the shows are merely another perspective on the events, which I enjoy as it provides more room for theories and discussions

[@CristianMartinez-yc6pr]

I think a lot of the changes were refreshing as even as a book reader I’m wondering what will they change next. It adds a level of mystery. That being said I hate how they changed Rhaenerya to be a hero as both Aegon and Rhaenerya were not fit for the throne that’s the overall message in the dance. Both claimants and their camps had issues with them including the children. Jace, Lucerys and Joffrey are bastards making them as fit for the throne as Cersei’s bastards 180 years later. Daemon is a nutcase hellbent on boosting his power and authority and would’ve no doubt ended up killing everyone ahead of his sons in the line of succession. (I still loved his character he’s a badass). Aemond while capable was to vengeful and spiteful to rule well. Daeron is a follower. Aegon is a drunkard with no interest in the crown. Rhaenyra herself is spiteful and shows no regard for laws and stability as by having bastards she threatened her own claim. And it’s great they have their flaws as then you don’t know who to root for and it makes the outcome and the damage being done compelling to watch unfold. The show changed that to be good vs. evil and the greens are targeting the poor Rhaenerya. Like she isn’t an innocent helpless character let her shine on her own and let the greens show their actions if they’re evil or a cornered dog

[@loremonkey]

It keeps thing interesting for the book readers. Not just the same story rehashed. I do wish they kept the moral ambiguity

[@TheUndyingCrystal]

I don't really get the impression they made Rhaenyra a hero. While the show made a point of her being a victim of politics at various points, it didn't shy away from the fact she was impulsive, selfish, and emotional to the point of irrationality. It absolutely showed that she played her part in starting the war that would crumble her family's dynasty. The show really just provided context and showed many of the bad decisions Alicent and Rhaenyra made against each other were based on bad information/decisionmaking that continued to escalate things, rather than being the intentional, blatant enemies they thought they were. Their meeting at Dragonstone illustrated that war didn't need to happen...at all. The Dance could've been avoided a thousand times over...but everyone messed up. Viserys lacked the courage to make the hard decisions, Alicent chose her manipulative father one too many times over the people who actually cared about her, Daemon ignored the reality of the world around him in favor of indulging his selfish whims, and Rhaenyra took too long to actually start thinking of the realm she was supposed to be serving. Aemond accidentally murdering Lucerys was the final boiling point of all their mistakes, and sealed the Targaryen dynasty's fate.

[@beckyweiss6072]

You using the Cleric Beast music in the background is brilliant

[@KENOMAN1969]

The pursuit was the continuation of a childhood rivalry that got out of control because dragons cannot be controlled. This was reminiscent of Vysaris warning that dragons were a power that the Targaryens were never meant to have. This was also reminiscent of the warning in game of thrones that Jorah Mormont gave Danny, that dragons are wild and cannot be controlled.

[@keanancupido]

I liked Alicent in the show but that episode 9 was just something else

[@loremonkey]

How so?

[@zegan7777]

The original seasons of GOT used to to deviate from the books in ways that actually serviced the story, hopefully we’re back to that

[@loremonkey]

I remember those being fairly minor for the most part. Could you give some examples?

[@zegan7777]

@@loremonkey yeah they were pretty minor for the most part but very memorable, like Littlefinger and Varys conversation in the throne room

[@annie-sc]

​@@loremonkey Arya and Tywin at Harrenhal

[@manosbouzoubouzou1386]

I love the cleric beast theme in this, gives the whole thing a sense of a ritualistic hunt.

[@loremonkey]

Me too! Thats why i picked it

[@manosbouzoubouzou1386]

@@loremonkey have you thought about doing any souls related shorts?

[@DadBooom]

I loved everything about this scene. One of the coolest fantasy scenes ive ever read or seen

[@Savage-nv6wr]

The change in the show is dog shit , Aemond is suppose to be a cruel , unapologetic badass dragon rider !

[@loremonkey]

I think he will become that in the later seasons

[@legacyandrews1339]

They made Daemon way more cruel than Aemond. Aemond should be more ruthless with a backbone instead Daemon is fulfilling the role as evil person

[@loremonkey]

I think there trying to make it so both sides have sympathetic and evil characters. Ex Alicent being innocent and Daemon being a douche

[@ericlayton8888]

Daemon did some undeniably horrible things (killing his first wife, r*ping Rhaenyra, massacre of King’s Landing) but I wouldn’t call him straight evil. He clearly adored his brother and cares deeply for Rhaenyra and her children, I think like Cersei he just sees some people as important and others as unimportant - as opposed to Ramsay or Joffrey, who were quite happy to hurt anyone at all in whichever way pleased them

[@LPno.9]

When did you see that Daemon cared deeply for Rhaenyra's children? He barely acknowledged his own and got pissy when Jace deferred to his mother's authority. He didn't speak to any of the other children besides Baela. I don't see why anyone was expecting a child to be Daemon's counterpart with the greens (that's Otto), but Daemon was pretty evil in season 1. He didn't get the kind of joy Joffery and Ramsey did from hurting people, but he did so freely, repeatedly, and with the same sense that he was entitled to do it as they had.

[@HelloYoutube89]

I'm curious to see how they make the battle with Vhagar vs Caraxes, especially showing Caraxes crawling out of the water.

[@yoyothefool5607]

Hearing the cleric beast song from Bloodbourne made it more scarier for me, for some reason.

[@loremonkey]

It's an intimidating score

[@deathoftheendless]

In the book Alicent does yell at Aemond. You still have one eye how could you be so blind! Aegon II however congratulated his younger brother. An eye for an eye a son for a son. Team black 🖤

[@thalmoragent9344]

People saying Aemond wasn't experienced enough to ride Vhagar in such a moment, but you're telling me Caraxes, a dragon KNOWN to be rather ferocious, wouldn't have done the exact same thing? With or without Daemon's consent. An Apex Predator getting attacked like that would perceive it either as a challenge or threat, and I promise you that most of the other Dragons would've responded the exact same way that Vhagar did

[@natedagreat19]

The fact that the very young Aarax got so scared of the 500ft monstrous Vaeghar chasing it, it instinctively lashed out in fear made the scene so much more believable. That exactly how animals behave. It also gives the dragon some agency as well. They’re not horses.

[@victorblh2fknji]

I would say that in the series, Aemond is not really "shocked" or overcome with a feeling of "guilt" about killing Lucerys Velaryon - but if he is in that psychological state it is above all because he is fully aware of the repercussions of his action... he knows what he has just triggered and that there is no going back to this situation. & above all, at no time during his life would he have imagined being the reason that would lead the entire continent of Westeros to war, fire, and blood. All the deaths among his loved ones which will be inevitable. And many more thing. He knows it. I think that's what keeps him in this state, especially what we see on his face when Vhagar settles his score and snaps his immense jaw on Syrax - Lucerys on his back. And probably also the fact that this is his first murder. (And that this first murder turns out to be that of his nephew. Maybe a little?) Anyway, apart from the fact that he has just opened the door to the apocalypse, I think that this will awaken him to his true state of being, he will discover himself from a new angle of perception. Like a radical rite of passage to adulthood. Especially since he is already someone mature, conscientious, open-minded, analytical, attentive to his environment, he is a person with a developed intellect and who ensures to remain so, he does what is necessary to keep his steely mind sharp - as much as continually training in hand-to-hand combat techniques. This death will transform him in interesting ways. He will reveal himself. ● Je dirais que dans la série, Aemond n'est pas vraiment "choqué" ni envahit par un sentiment de "culpabilité" vis-à-vis du fait d'avoir tué Lucerys Velaryon - mais s'il est dans cet état psychologique c'est avant tout parce qu'il a pleinement conscience des répercussions de son acte... il sait ce qu'il vient de déclencher et qu'il n'y a aucun retour en arrière possible à cette situation. & surtout, à aucun moment au cours de sa vie il n'aurait imaginé être la raison qui allait mener à la guerre, au feu, et au sang, l'entièreté du continent de Westeros. Tous les décès au sein de ses proches qui vont être inévitables. Et j'en passe. Il le sait. Je pense que c'est surtout ça qui fait qu'il est dans cet état, c'est surtout ça qu'on voit sur son visage lorsque Vhagar règle ses compte et fait claquer son immense mâchoire sur Syrax - Lucerys sur son dos. Et probablement aussi le fait que ce soit son 1er meurtre. (Et que ce 1er meurtre s'avère être celui de son neveu. Peut-être un peu?) Quoiqu'il en soit, en-dehors du fait qu'il vienne d'ouvrir la porte à l'apocalypse, je pense que ça va l'éveillé à son véritable état d'être, il va se découvrir sous un nouvel angle de perception. Tel un rite radical de passage à l'âge adulte. D'autant qu'il est déjà quelqu'un de mâture, de consciencieux, d'ouvert d'esprit, d'analytique, d'attentionné à son environnement, c'est une personne à l'intellect développé et qui fait en sorte de le rester, il fait le nécessaire pour garder affuté son esprit d'acier - autant que de s'entraîner continuellement aux techniques de combats aux corps à corps. Cette mort va le transformer de façon intéressante. Il va se révéler à lui-même.

[@marine47ncaa25]

I dislike this change from the books. “Aemon One Eye, the Kinslayer” is meant to be villainous. As his actions further prove after these events, he’s essentially wicked, much like Queen Alicent. Knowing Aemon’s future, I don’t get why they chose the empathy route but🤷‍♂️still love the show though

[@loremonkey]

First season feels like a setup for the drama to come. Probably just trying to give him a personality at all for the later seasons

[@marine47ncaa25]

@@loremonkey most likely! Definitely a dope character. The Battle above the God’s Eye is going to be insane on the big screen

[@loremonkey]

And that's just one of the battles! Knowing how wild the rest of the story gets, i totally get why season 1 is so much buildup.

[@kimberlyplatt2382]

The chase made no since in the show because. Aemond literally know that his dragon was a ancient fire breathing war machine. The show should have had him snap out of anger, then come to after everything was done.

[@loremonkey]

Making it a mistake was an interesting change. I'm wondering how it will play out in the. Next season

[@maggiecramer8154]

"The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion."

[@loremonkey]

This. Especially the older ones

[@maggiecramer8154]

@loremonkey it calls back to that line from visarys and rhanys saying that the new generation knows nothing of war. To them it is a game. Aemond played with powers he had no business messing with in the first place and Luke payed the consequences

[@loremonkey]

Seems like neither knew what to expect. Aemond seems like he doesn't have a good grasp on the fact that actions have consequences

[@erdngtn9942]

It’s like how the other guys side dies. What you’re seeing is written history and what everyone thinks happened vs actually being there. George explained it exactly as thus. How well do we trust eye witness accounts for that reason.

[@KenobiStark1]

In the books isn’t it from the Maesters perspective and they changed things? Cause I think I remember somewhere that when they found Lucerys corpse, his eyes were stabbed out after the fall, so Aemond basically found him after the fall, and took both his eyes. But the show is more a young man who made a fatal mistake by trying to be something he wasn’t actually at the time, but with that act, it forced himself to become the kinslayer and leaned into the role.

[@prof_jesus]

The book was a very rough surface level historical account of the period by maesters who may or may not be politically biased in their inscriptions. That being said the show having been produced under the watchful eyes and considerations of GRRM seems more canon to me because it adds all the nuances of the story- the emotions, the depth, the conversations between characters, the internal affairs and conflicts, the details of every events and character's overall disposition within the realities of the ASOIAF world. The show to me seems more personal, and closer to the audience for obvious reasons, good reasons.

[@loremonkey]

It's an interesting idea. That the show is more cannon than the source material. Only instance of that I can think of

[@patriciogarciadamiano7469]

I think the biggest change from the books is that Aemond speaks japanese

[@loremonkey]

That one was a shocker, alright

[@carastone3473]

There’s a world of difference between ‘playful’ and ‘bullying.’

[@lilyayora]

I loved this angle in the show. It added so much nuance to both Aemond's character and the Targaryen relationship with their dragons. The book is a third-person account, so there's room for these kinds of tweaks, especially with Martin working with the writers behind the scenes. It also keeps the show exciting despite having read the book.

[@Timboslice475]

Love the use of the Cleric Beast theme.

[@The-ArthurMorgan]

If only Cleric Beast’s OST from Bloodborne was playing in the scene too 😂

[@Chivista808]

I love the cleric beast sound track in the background

[@loremonkey]

Its a great one! Fitting too.

[@PJ-io8pl]

I like that this whole war started because of an accident. It’s just one accident or misunderstanding after another. Makes the story more compelling than just having the characters be straight up villainous.

[@modapit]

honestly in this case, i think i actually appreciated the re-write. i like not knowing who i should be siding with. my emotions are constantly battling with who the real good guys and bad guys are. it makes the show really interesting.

[@loremonkey]

There is something to be said for the more nuanced approach. It adds different layers, which I can appreciate. Makes it more interesting than just the book again

[@toastmalone1853]

Cleric beast music goes hard in the background

[@SjiekeGast]

Great choice of music

[@MT-UK]

The books are written as an accounting of what people saw from below and what Aemond said happened I like how the show is doing it and it’s like it is showing us ‘behind the curtain’ I look forward to seeing what else they do

[@asall727]

You also have to remember the story in the book is being told by maestors and not by the characters themselves. The story is written by what history and other witnesses spoke of. Since no one was on dragon back to see the outcome of aemonds actions no one can say if he truly cared or didnt care about what he did.

[@GT19525]

He knew he f-ed up. If he hadn’t done that, Daemon wouldn’t have sent blood & cheese after Aegon’s children. Won’t go as far as saying war would’ve been avoided but this was definitely a turning point. Even his mother & grandfather freaked out.

[@loremonkey]

Yeah overall that was a big oopsie

[@ricosalvaje5802]

Great music for this.

[@loremonkey]

I thought so too!

[@JamesMerlaut]

Plus he was expecting a Hero's welcome when he returned to King's Landing was unironically confused why he didn't get one

[@DEVVVPRESSS]

Great soundtrack to use for the video! Cleric Beast from Bloodborne ❤

[@loremonkey]

A sharp ear! I'm glad you liked it

[@joshuajohnson2804]

The Cleric Beast boss fight music lmao

[@thenickfoxx]

in the book, who was there to see Aemond's reaction? The book was told from the perspective of 2 maesters and mushroom. No one knows for sure what happened off the coast of Storm's end.

[@juiceboxbzrk]

I kept waiting for that Cleric Beast roar

[@MiquellaisSaintTrina]

Aemond calling his inner Maegor the Cruel killing his nephew. 😂

[@sauronpwbr9283]

Loved the Cleric Beast song from Bloodborne OST. Epic!

[@loremonkey]

Its a great track!

[@jennat776]

Just wait until the new season! Whether you meant to or not,you don't kill Daemon's stepson and go to bed happy.

[@loremonkey]

Can't wait for the showdown

[@XxDeathxX509]

Cleric Beast OST in the backround lol

[@Y0utubesux]

That first image is terrifying

[@tamamakiiti587]

The character "changes" (fire and blood is really light on detail and character work) provide an arc for the characters, giving aemond a path to becoming the psychopathic villain he's known as in the histories

[@merlokden5844]

When you're trying to find that sweet music in the background but for some reason it's listed as the video audio itself, with you then going to the discription to see if it's listed there, only to discover it's not....and you become mighty suspicious.

[@loremonkey]

Well, I was going to tell you, but you had to write this weird ass paragraph instead of just asking

[@lezlych]

The beauty on this is that the books are the story "told" by somebody else, which means we do not exactly know what happened really

[@loremonkey]

I think that adds to it in a way

[@joyelizabethmellinger]

Well said, and precisely how I see it. Believe it or not, You r the first to speak on My point of view on social media. You r the first. No bullshit. So, well done. Subscribing and sharing now. Thank You for your efforts. I can't wait to stick this little tidbit of info up my wife's nose. Who is, n fact, Team Black. While I ride with the Greens. Love Daemon, obviously (like everyone else,). He's by far the most complex character of the show. If not from both series. When the wife tried "converting 🙄😏" me to Team Black, I responded to it with "but... Alicent is so fkn fine, Honey". 🙄😑🙄... 😂😂😂🤣💀👻👍💯 It was cold n bed that night, and her support of Team Black is granite solid and immovable. 😂 I asked "Well, what if I start thinking Rhaenyra is fine hot, as well?". She responded with "I MEAN... DO U WANNA STOP WATCHING THIS FKN SHOW ALTOGETHER, ASH-HOOOOLE!!!?? I HATE ALICENT!!! UUUUUGGHH!!!!!!!" 😐😑😐😑🙄..... 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣💨💩😲...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀👻👍💯 God bless HBO and Mr. Martin. Idk that there's ever been a TV show that inspires such animated fkery n my household. Ever. Not even a football game (unless it's the Saints and LSU winning Natty's and a Superbowl. Geaux Tigers. 👍😎💯) has ever created. Good times, good times. Anyways, sorry for rambling. We love this show, and I'm glad to FINALLY find the channel that calls it how I see it (and makes most sense), and gives me ammo for my arsenal. Very well done, good sir. Subscribing and sharing now. Have a great weekend ahead, errbody. Thank You for your efforts. U have gained my attention, and with all the hot garbage on KZbin now, that is not easy to do, I assure u. Keep up the good vibes, home slice. We r watching. 👀👍😎🤜🤛🤙💯✌️ #GREENTEAMBABYYYYYY #ALICENTISSOFIIIIIINE #OOOWWMOMMA 👍😂✌️

[@cinderluna]

i turned on this short after listening to the Bloodborne OST and I had to do a double check lmao

[@loremonkey]

Haha that's great

[@kamui240sx]

Aemond is my favorite character I didn’t read the books, but the whole how they treated him, his eye and saying it’s ok he gained a dragon was just badass, I like that he didn’t want to kill him, although overplayed villain story it’s still well done

[@BenHikesOutdoors]

I play an extra in the new season. Filmed in July of last year. Almost a year since filming and I cannot wait for the new season! Dream come true for a game of thrones nerd 🤓

[@ernestbatiy1070]

Cleric beast is such a fitting track

[@gamesong6600]

Just the recent preference in cinema to have complex villains over plain villains.

[@Shinque92]

Adding bloodborne music made your video stand out. Good job bro👍👍💪💪

[@jumpsamurai480]

That scene will be forever my stuff of nightmares 😢

[@ivomollov3073]

If you recognize the Bloodborne song on the background you deserve a dragon of your own

[@loremonkey]

Hear me out bloodborne but you're a dragon

[@elizabethtristan5352]

Do we have credits for this art? This stuff is gorgeous

[@atome5571]

Cleric Beast OST I recognize !

[@loremonkey]

Good ass soundtrack

[@jonathanbaker4361]

It's all fun and games until your nephew is eaten in one bite