Star Trek The Next Generation Ruminations S5E05: Disaster

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@thexalon
@thexalon 5 жыл бұрын
The thematic core of this episode, to me at least, is that emergencies force everybody to do things that they don't normally do, don't necessarily know how to do, and are definitely not comfortable doing. Troi isn't a commander. Crusher isn't a cargo handler. Worf isn't a doctor. Picard isn't a babysitter. Riker isn't an engineer or a maker of positronic brains. O'Brien isn't a bridge officer. About the only characters that are really in their normal element are LaForge, Data, and Ro. Everybody is fumbling, and that's what makes this interesting.
@EnvisionerWill
@EnvisionerWill 2 жыл бұрын
I think you mean "Worf isn't a midwife". XD
@LostMercenary99
@LostMercenary99 5 жыл бұрын
I love the follow up in DS9 where Bashier tells Worf Kieko's having another baby and his reaction is that of PURE HORROR!!!!!!
@KnightRaymund
@KnightRaymund 5 жыл бұрын
Yup. Already booking his vacation.
@PerryWhyte
@PerryWhyte 5 жыл бұрын
Something I've always wondered about this episode is what happened to the engineering staff, when Riker and Data arrive Engineering is empty.
@mb2000
@mb2000 4 жыл бұрын
PerryWhyte Yeh you’d think that Engineering would be one of the places to be/someone had to be during an emergency. It is the backup bridge after all. But no, a power outage and everyone runs for the hills!
@Redshirt434
@Redshirt434 Жыл бұрын
Probably had to evacuate because they all cower away every time the warp core burps.
@robaitken4592
@robaitken4592 5 жыл бұрын
Using my experience with the US Navy via family, not me personally in case I am wrong. Several Medical specialties will have an officers commission between Lieutenant and Captain. Examples such as Surgeons, Internists etc. This is tO give them a place in the Military Hierarchy especially when working with lower ranks and enlisted. Medical Advice and in the field can be an Order to follow. However on-board ship lets say the bridge is hit, Captain and EXO are killed, the embarked Jag Officer on lets say a Carrier, a Lieutenant Commander is never going to take command, they don't have the training, your going to run out of Ensigns first before the Lawyer is in command. TLDR: Line Officer VS. Staff Officer. As for terminal Ranks, they exist in Staff Officer Positions based on billet. For the Flagship it may be Commander. In the JAG Corps the Terminal is a Vice Admiral (3 Star) and no Higher.
@Rasolisu
@Rasolisu 5 жыл бұрын
What Dr Crusher actually says would have got them killed. You wanna exhale then hit the vacuum of space, that air will kill you.
@JanetDax
@JanetDax 3 жыл бұрын
Right, lungs would explode.
@badmaninc.536
@badmaninc.536 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite episodes, probably because it takes characters that would be vital to the quick and easy solution of the problems presented and separates them and keeps them occupied with problems of their own, bereft of the tools and resources and sometimes, the skill and expertise needed for the situation. It pulls them out of their comfort zone and shows us their ability to problem solve when the chips are down. Troi, O’Brien, and Ro, have perhaps some of my favorite bits of interplay between them. Ro, effectively doubling every so often as those of us in the audience by her incredulity at the notion of Troi taking command... the counselor? Seriously? And her butting heads with O’Brien also works for me, primarily because it shows that while she has taken steps to fit in somewhat, not everyone necessarily likes or trusts her yet. Geordi and Crusher, cut off in the cargo bay works well too, because if Geordi had been in main engineering... problem would have been fixed very quickly, it also kept Crusher from reaching other injured people to render medical aid. Geordi also had limited tools at his disposal with which to deal with their small scale crisis. Picard, trapped in an area with a trio of children... deprived of his most vital resource (his crew) and having to deal with both being injured and keeping the spirits up of three untrained and for all intents and purposes defenseless children, keeping them safe, alone it really makes me think that he could be one hell of a great dad if he gave it half a shot. Riker and Data, fantastic situation, I don’t have much to say except I loved Riker’s discomfort at the idea of casually removing Data’s head and carrying it around with him. And then there’s Worf and Keiko. Brilliant, and brought some much needed levity. It also lead to one of my actual spit takes over in DS9. “Have you heard? Keiko is having a baby.” Worf: “Now?!!” The implication is that mentally worf is saying “nope, nope, nope NOPE! I’m out!” Anyway Lore, fantastic episode
@lemonade_011
@lemonade_011 4 жыл бұрын
Well I think Troi did a good job 👍🏼
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
I like how Riker is both perturbed and amused at Data's suggestion to remove his head.
@chiroquacker2580
@chiroquacker2580 5 жыл бұрын
Things still break down unexpectedly in the 24th century, even on the latest and greatest federation flagship. I appreciate that idea, that even the components installed on the Enterprise are subject to being manufactured with imperfections if someone in the factory on Arrakis Prime decides to drink the water of life with a spice chaser thinking they are going to become the next kwisatz haderach but just shows up the next day with a hangover.
@MissTea_Trekkie
@MissTea_Trekkie 5 жыл бұрын
DS9 follow up!!! Quark: "Did you hear? Keiko is going to have another baby." Worf: "NOW?" Oh the trauma! LOL!
@redshirt5126
@redshirt5126 5 жыл бұрын
"Worf sweats nervously"
@johnfoltz8183
@johnfoltz8183 3 жыл бұрын
I will be visiting my parents on Earth
@nickokona6849
@nickokona6849 5 жыл бұрын
I like episodes that have all their stuff that they usually babble about to save the day break. This one, Civil Defense, Genesis. When the familiar setting becomes unfamiliar or dangerous. Troi as LtCmdr was odd to me too. Especially when Bashir never gets past Lt. Dax, who’s commanded the Defiant isn’t a Cmdr. More inconsistent stuff re O’Briens rank. From NCO to Lt, to Ensign, to NCO, but with a high position. Considering he’d had such a rank, had served as a tactical officer on the Rutledge under the warden of Shawshank during war time. Even being in the engineering/operations division, he’s had, by this point at least 17 years of experience in Staefleet. To say nothing of the fact that the first time we see him, he’s in the command division. So we can assume he’s had at least as much command training, and clearly more command experience than Ro.
@jef_3006
@jef_3006 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine that you're Picard, and you're selecting senior staff for the new Enterprise, the new flagship, and the most important ship in the fleet. If you know that there are commander rank doctors in the fleet, even if it's just a handful, are you going to accept anything less than a commander as your CMO? The Enterprise is the Flagship, so it gets the best. In my mind, that's why Troi is a Lt. Commander. Had she been anything less, she would've been passed over.
@EnvisionerWill
@EnvisionerWill 2 жыл бұрын
And Worf's status as a Klingon might be part of why he's lower-ranked, but he's also excellent enough to have been hand-picked by Picard.
@AdamCollings
@AdamCollings 5 жыл бұрын
Troi's rank of Lieutenant Commander makes sense to me. She's at the top of her field. She'd the head councillor on the Enterprise (I'm sure she's not the only counsellor on the entire ship). She's a department head, just like Geordi. Yes, Worf is also a department head, but he would seem to have less experience. Remember how Green Worf was in season 1. He was referred to as a "junior officer." Worf's promotion to Lt. commander comes later once he's gained quite a lot of experience as chief of security. We know Troi's career didn't start on the Enterprise, so I'd say she's just risen up through the ranks by being good at her job. I would guess she was promoted from Lt. to Lt. Commander when she got the job as chief counsellor on the Enterprise.
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
The way I figure it, Troi's powers either aren't good enough to tell precisely where people are, or more likely she's having trouble sorting out a jumbled mess of people's emotions, since everyone is all pumped up. My counter argument to Ro would have been that they were able to scan plenty of life-signs closer to the bridge, so there are likely plenty of survivors in the drive section as well. I do find it funny that Ro says Troi would be responsible for everyone's death if she doesn't separate the sections. It's like, well, who cares - Troi would be dead too at that point. Picard does have one more misstep after the disaster happens. He more or less yells at the kids to buck up and stop crying, and it just makes them cry more. (at which point he realizes, oh, that wasn't the right approach) The thing I wonder about is why the turbolift uses a set of clamps as an e-stop, rather than some type of passive system. (well, story reasons) I love the humorous elements in the episode. Worf completely misunderstanding how the birthing process is going to go, at least without the advantage of a real doctor and the sickbay, is hilarious. It's even better when Keiko starts yelling at him. The other part that made me laugh was the "wrong port" and Data's subsequent facial expression. Frickin' comedy gold right there. I think the humor fit in very well at the end, since that was the point of the episode where everyone else was breathing a collective sigh of relief, so to speak.
@athrunzala6919
@athrunzala6919 5 жыл бұрын
I heard in an interview way back in the 90's that Forbes doesn't like committing to any project - at all - it's just her thing, she's an actress that prefers variety to a high degree. I loved her as the Coroner over on Homicide: Life on the Street, Mom and I already loved that show too and we enjoyed seeing her there as well :)
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
She turns up on True Blood as well.
@BroughPerkinsMedium
@BroughPerkinsMedium 5 жыл бұрын
It's a really comfort rainy day/sick day episode for me. I like your review here thanks for this.
@mr51406
@mr51406 4 жыл бұрын
19:47 YES! Thanks for asking the question that has been nagging me for 29 years! Gravity generator in a lift shaft? Why?? Groan! The reason of course is to have a dramatic setting that hits buttons with everyone. They should have written something that doesn’t, as usual, trigger silly explanations to cover the lack of scientific editing. Thanks for giving a rumination that scratches my itch. But it’s a good fun episode, and your critique is as always eloquently spot on.⭐️
@mr51406
@mr51406 Жыл бұрын
14:30 Fuses, on/off switches and plugs! I mean I can’t count how many times the only way to unblock or unfreeze a computer is to simply yank the plug out of the wall. 🚩Ro and O’Brien: would Ro have given up her Starfleet commission to have been a major in the Bajoran militia as Kira was?
@Eelco_de_Boer
@Eelco_de_Boer 5 жыл бұрын
Mem-summary: A quantum filament disables the Enterprise, leaving Counselor Troi in command on the bridge, and various groups on different parts of the ship facing perils alone (Picard promotes Marissa, Worf helps Keiko deliver...)
@andrewkyriacou6405
@andrewkyriacou6405 5 жыл бұрын
I think this episode does some good stuff. Mainly just because it throws some characters together, some unlikely groups like Worf and Keiko, and some who we're familiar with like Riker and Data. It lets us seem the characters in a new way since they have to rely on themselves and their own ingenuity rather than all working as one big team. As you say it was the wrong call to not separate the ship but then this episode is one of those that could have been solved by remembering that shuttlecraft exist with their own independent systems. It would have been so easy for someone to just force their way into one of the shuttlebays and start communicating with and beaming people where they need to go to fix things. Oh well, it's still got some good character pieces.
@williamozier918
@williamozier918 5 жыл бұрын
19:47. That's a great question! And now that you ask it I can immediately imagine how many missed opportunities we had with awesome zero-g schticks in turbolifts throughout all Star Trek.
@Chuck0856
@Chuck0856 2 жыл бұрын
What bothered me most was that there was no reference at the end to Troi's sucess -- only a teasing by Riker.
@JimPlaysGames
@JimPlaysGames 5 жыл бұрын
Could Troi's rank be relevant to the fact that she handles a lot of personnel matters, like when she does the crew evaluation reports with Riker?
@williamozier918
@williamozier918 5 жыл бұрын
(Minor spoilers in this comment) Strangely this episode accidentally end up being a very important character arc for the whole show. It pays off directly later with Troi taking the command test. I think it also pushed Obrien, and Ro to up their career ambitions. Worf delivers Molly in this episode, which nuff said on that; pay attention to Worf's arc after this, it's less Klingony and more about other aspects of Worf's life and love plots oh yeah. All in all I feel like with every character you can look back at this episode and see a change in them as people because of this disaster.
@jamespepper8671
@jamespepper8671 5 жыл бұрын
Beverley's advice for breathing was exactly wrong. The effects of the bends would be exacerbated and would have killed them in the worst way possible. And yes what the hell is with the control panel?
@shootingreal5945
@shootingreal5945 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this epi and I loved that it was the the motivation situation that got Troi off her butt to persue commander status..loved that she achieved that and got into uniform later on.
@adeftonic
@adeftonic 5 жыл бұрын
Troi as and LT C does somewhat make sense in certain circumstances. She is in essence the civilian liaison officer on the ship, for Example evacuating decks during Best of both Worlds, over seeing all schools and civilian matters taking them to the command staff. Also She is part of the diplomatic arm of the Federation advising and going on diplomatic missions. She may have the rank as a formality, so she can give orders to officers about missions etc. In the British Navy of the 18th/19th Century Diplomats often had to lead missions but whilst they had no naval authority still gave "orders" to the crew to fulfill missions, usually via liaison officer.
@gpfoster1966
@gpfoster1966 3 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute!!! This episode had a "scientific advisory team"????? And the whole Geordie/Beverly scene was left in? And no one on the "scientific advisory team" picked up on what would immediately happen to the human body (not in a pressurized spacesuit) when it is exposed to the vacuum of space? I'm sorry, Doctor Crusher, but "holding your breath" is not likely to work. The moment that the cargo deck "depressurized," the dissolved gasses in Crusher's and LaForge's bloodstream would nearly instantaneously and explosively "boil" away. The scene left behind would have been more like the one described by Ducat in DS9, when he related the story of when he was a lowly Glinn and had to clean-up the mess left behind after explosive decompression.
@maisiesummers42
@maisiesummers42 5 жыл бұрын
12:53 - interesting discussion on leaving someone to certain death vs saving them. Yet TNG has two episodes where the decision to let someone die is made. First is by Wesley during the "psych test" section of his Entrance exam. He has to choose between definitely saving one person and letting the other die, and trying to save both and possibly getting all three of them killed. He chooses to save the one. The second is by Troi when she's taking her commander's exam, and is forced to send Geordi to his death. She does this because it's the only way to save the ship in the given scenario. It's very much a "needs of the many" moment.
@zuzoscorner
@zuzoscorner 5 жыл бұрын
Always did wonder why they had ot pump plasma all throughout the ship. what' wrong with just plain electrical wires?
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
Ship design by Elon Musk.
@mb2000
@mb2000 4 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t Geordi see the plasma fire behind the panel? Doesn’t the VISOR do infrared? Why did they have to touch the walls to know it was hot? I don’t think Tori’s rank matters or she’d wear a uniform that could display it! I laugh when O’Brien has to explain that to Ro because she’s never seen her in a proper uniform. Interesting that Troi has become a Commander to command the ship, but Jadzia Dax did it as a Lt. commander. I assume that these command officer tests we see later can be taken at any point. That could even be why Jadzia was promoted between DS9 Seasons 3 and 4!
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the panel has a fairly low thermal conductivity, and since the fire had just started, it wasn't obviously hot just yet.
@DrownedInExile
@DrownedInExile Жыл бұрын
I think it makes perfect sense for Dr. Crusher to be a full Commander. She may not be a bridge officer, but as the CMO of a ship of over a thousand, she should have command of a huge staff of doctors and nurses. Come to think of it, a starship full of civilians constantly exposed to danger, should have a lot of work for mental health professionals. Troi should also have been in command of a huge staff.
@harrypothead42024
@harrypothead42024 5 жыл бұрын
Ro is not on the command track. There is no command track, the red uniform is for operations. How do you think doctors command medical ships? How do you think Engineers become captains of terraforming vessels?
@quicksilvertongue3248
@quicksilvertongue3248 Жыл бұрын
If LC is the maximum non command rank, that would help explain how Data is an LC with 22 years in Starfleet despite not being legally a person. He shot straight up in rank at positronic-brain speed, but then hit a glass ceiling of LC (since nobody wants a one of a kind robot being THE BOSS, no matter how smart or efficient or anything he is), and since he isn't capable of feeling outrage at such discrimination, he didn't care and just stayed LC for far longer than most people ever would. Probably the only reason he was third in charge of the flagship was because Picard specifically took interest. (My rewrite may also tie this in with Conspiracy somehow....if the Bluegills were in charge pre-Farpoint, they might have been part of what held Data back from command, since he couldn't be infected and thus could easily have exposed the conspiracy in exactly the way it later got exposed.)
@millefune
@millefune 4 жыл бұрын
I remember some guy in "Titan AE" saying you have to exhale when exposed to space so your lungs don't blow up.
@stanislavkostarnov2157
@stanislavkostarnov2157 2 жыл бұрын
I do not know whether this was thought through or not, but in actual fact, in systems where councilors/psychologists do get rank within the military structure that rank is generally rather high.... the thought process is: a): give higher rank to bolster respect/authority.... it would be unseemly for a ranking officer to follow the commands of a mere junior sergeant, and yet, a doctor must be able to command a patient to do x b): in older military traditions, dating back to the late Medieval (Britain, France, Italy etc...), the councilors position is seen to inherit the role of direct support/advisory to those in a ship's/regiment's commander... a high level advisor specialist with access to highly sensitive data.... thus their rank should be equivalent to an adjutant of a personal Short-Major or Captain... a rank, in turn, being made equivalent to the junior officer of the bridge crew as the army reformed itself from a nobility-style army of the 18th century to the modern force. C): in meritocratic systems, for technical professionals(as opposing the frontline & combat units) in the force. rank is equivalent to the level/length of education... the education required by a medical or councilor is extensive, thus, the rank is also high.
@randomusernameCallin
@randomusernameCallin 5 жыл бұрын
The more I think about it the more I can see Troy going into civilian leadership role. I mean someone need to care for the barbers and schools.
@gcooper642
@gcooper642 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like you're putting her on Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B with the hairdressers and telephone cleaners in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
@athrunzala6919
@athrunzala6919 5 жыл бұрын
For the Troi question, when I did my basic training in the Canadian Forces, the girl going to the MP was automatically promoted to Corporal while the rest of us stayed Privates, the reasoning being it would be "Unseamly" for a superior to be taken into custody by a mere Private MP if the situation ever arose, which it could. This could be a similar thing, it would be seen as inappropriate to outsiders, and even insiders, that members of the crew or representatives of other worlds were taking psychological counciling/advice from someone of low rank.
@danielyeshe
@danielyeshe 5 жыл бұрын
I only know this via research and not experience but I belive the same is true of the Royal Navy police and, I believe the physical trainer.
@devildham
@devildham 5 жыл бұрын
If the ranks are roughly analogous to modern U.S. ranks then Tori is basically an O-4. Most medical doctors (assuming she has a degree) are O-3s once they make it to their units (in the Army at least) it's not terribly too far off that she would be a rank higher, it just means that she's already been promoted once.
@robertmartinu8803
@robertmartinu8803 5 жыл бұрын
The whole clamp idea is weird. You'd assume a safe failure mode as default, for example arrestors that need to deactivated at regular intervals. Your good, old railway does something like that. If a wagon gets disconnected the pressurized air system that keeps the breaks off fails, the breaking system clamps down and you come to a halt. For a more SciFi feel: look at the magnet in a copper tube experiment. Eddie currents. In such a setup the turbolift couldn't move faster then at a very moderate speed unless those currents are actively countered. And possibly recuperated to power something else.
@EnvisionerWill
@EnvisionerWill 2 жыл бұрын
This is a low-key favorite episode of mine, and one of the better illustrations of why season 5 is TNG at its best IMO. It's such an incredibly gripping and multi-faceted character piece, where the heroes struggle to survive against incredible odds. Personally I could live without the Worf/Keiko bit, but it lines up thematically with the rest of the ep, and we had to give Worf something to do in an episode that didn't involve any combat.
@IARsmiley
@IARsmiley 4 жыл бұрын
I'm commenting before I watch your video. Mostly all involved went beyond their wants and comforts in order to get out of their situation. Picard: Doesn't want to deal with the kids The Kids: Don't want to venture out with of the elevator Troi: Doesn't want to have command thrusted on her Ro: Doesn't want the ship to stay together O'Brien: Doesn't want to be away from his wife or break protocol Keiko: Doesn't want to deliver the baby during the disaster Worf: Doesn't want to help deliver the baby period Jordy and Crusher: Don't want to be without oxygen Riker: Doesn't want to have to ask Data to potentially sacrifice himself Data: Always just does what's necessary This was a telling episode. It was great for character development. Pushing through the uncomfortable (Keiko's case being the most literal) in order to find one's way through disaster, is my major takeaway from this episode.
@sicily7220
@sicily7220 3 жыл бұрын
So noone was in the engineering..noone. Worf and Kieko were very nice light hearted scenes and it was great it carried through DS9; to the point O'Brien and Kieko are expecting a 2nd child and Worf makes passing comment of taking leave during that time. 🤣🤣🤣
@quicksilvertongue3248
@quicksilvertongue3248 Жыл бұрын
To me this episode is structurally perfect. It has all the makings of being one of my all time favorite episodes, with two of the twelve or so elements it revolves around being things I personally don't care for, and that's the only reason really that it's not on like my top five (reminder, my three favorites are Timescape, Parallels and the Drumhead, and I haven't worked out four and five for sure).
@MikeFuryTech
@MikeFuryTech 5 жыл бұрын
What is with the dig against Ronald D Moore ?
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
Seemed to me he was actually giving him props.
@mikewalker2274
@mikewalker2274 3 жыл бұрын
Something to consider is it would not, per how the US Navy works, be odd for Troi or Crusher to hold the ranks they do at all. Many physicians and other health care officers on major USN ships are lt commanders or full commanders. I think some CMOs on aircraft carriers are even captains. Crusher is a senior medical officer, Troi we presume has equal to a PhD in psychology. If USN, they'd enter at O-2 or O-3 rank and go up from there, so O-4 for Troi isn't odd. However, she is not at this point a line officer, so no, she should not be in command. Her rank indicates (or would in most real-world navies) her seniority within career track and general rank, but you would not have a medical officer who is an O-5 taking command of a navy vessel if there were line officers around at O-3 to do it instead.
@harpercole5321
@harpercole5321 5 жыл бұрын
The Lieutenant who was killed at the start would presumably of outranked Troi in that situation. Perhaps Starfleet draws the line at Ensigns being in command? Just watched this one again - very good, honestly, none of the five threads weight the story down.
@sg586
@sg586 5 жыл бұрын
One thing in this episode drives me nuts. Why is no one on duty in or around engineers. I could forgive if they were working outside the isolation door. But no one is there bar data and riker
@TassieDinkum90
@TassieDinkum90 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Deanna explains her rationale in why she rose to as high a rank as she is later in the series, the S7 episode where she actually takes the test to make full commander. Also, enlisted ranks go: Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Full Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain and Admiral
@jellybryce7742
@jellybryce7742 5 жыл бұрын
i liked that troi episode.
@garrettmastantuono8043
@garrettmastantuono8043 4 жыл бұрын
How military order usually goes, and this is coming from a former Marine. Is that ranks are split up into enlisted, warrant officer, and officer in that rate of authority. The most junior of all officer ranks is superior to all ranks of the enlisted and warrant officer tracks. What separates who's in charge or not of those of equal rank is what's called a billet. Which is a military job or position. You might have two officers of same rank, but if one is say in communications and the other is in The command operations. Then if a decision needed to be made as to who's in charge if command structure was taken out. Then the person who is closest to the billet would take over. That being said, if they were of dissimilar rank. Then the highest rank would take command and if that officer was in the right mind to say that they are unfit for the position. They could issue a billet to the officer of lesser rank to take command.
@MidnightSt
@MidnightSt 3 жыл бұрын
Offtopic, but since you mentioned the saucer separation: It always seemed stupid to me that the "combat setup" of the ship (with saucer being separated and away) loses ALL THE PHASERS and is only left with torpedoes. WAT. Oh, and the saucer section which is supposed to run away ONLY HAS IMPULSE ENGINES, NO WARP. WAT.
@silkwesir1444
@silkwesir1444 Жыл бұрын
they still have some of the Phasers
@jamiecashes
@jamiecashes 3 жыл бұрын
I would think that Cheif O'Brien would be the senior officer and assume command as captain?
@johnpotts8308
@johnpotts8308 3 жыл бұрын
He's not. This episode (and all episodes after) have him as a Chief Petty Officer (NCO) so any Enlisted Officer (Ensign, Lieutenant, Commander, etc) would outrank him. Although that ignores the fact that he'd been previously addressed as (and had the rank pips of) a Lieutenant!
@MidnightSt
@MidnightSt 3 жыл бұрын
Troi is the Lieutenant Commander of Feels =D
@ghfdt368
@ghfdt368 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there new comment but as someone who has family in the millitary mostly the navy you are correct.Typically a head of department has authority over their area over someone higher rank in another.However if its a issue or something do with their own department and they are higher rank, or its an overal ship issue then yes they have authority. In a situation on the bridge you would be correct in real life. If say the highest ranking officer left on the bridge is an LT, ensign or chief petty officer,a doctor with the rank of lt commander or a lt colonel etc cannot order them on the bridge to do an order regarding ship operations, because its not their field or department. Sure the lower rank bridge crew might agree or take advice and options, but have every right to make the judgement to refuse and say no. The ONLY 2 people on a ship who can command anyone on it is the 1st officer and captain, with the 1st officer of course not able to order a captain typically unless they break rules, laws or codes or if the captain is unfit for duty (which by the way anyone higher up the ranks can do too including NCO's like petty officer chief petty, LT, LT commander etc). So in the context of star trek and this episode in reality then O'Brien would be 1st officer and Ro in Command.
@KnightRaymund
@KnightRaymund 5 жыл бұрын
There's a very important difference between this birth and the DS9 birth. This one is actually funny and serves its purpose of lightening the episode. The DS9 birth is bad and just detracts from the episode. As for next week, I actually like The Game myself.
@shootingreal5945
@shootingreal5945 5 жыл бұрын
I love The Game episode..our good guys bc bad and Wesley finally earns his spurs by truly without any doubt by fans saves the day..I really loved the cat and mouse game with Wesley running and hiding..I really wish they would have extended that scene.
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
Come now Sir Will, we all saw you put that little game helmet back on as soon as you finished typing.
@Redshirt434
@Redshirt434 Жыл бұрын
The exceptionally rare episode of TNG that has a bad case of exploding console. Still a pretty good bottle show.
@EnvisionerWill
@EnvisionerWill 4 жыл бұрын
The obvious explanation for why Troi is a Lt. Cmdr - nepotism.
@EnvisionerWill
@EnvisionerWill 2 жыл бұрын
To elaborate further, I think the reason Troi is an LC is the same reason why the incompetent Nechayev is an admiral. Back in the Winds of Change era, the Federation probably gave a lot of positions to women to show how enlightened they were, and because those women had the social skills necessary to be extremely friendly and peace-loving just like the federation wants, and perhaps out of some Betazoid-inspired philosophy about how women are naturally better peacemakers and administrators who won't waste natural resources etc. etc...all that kind of thing seems very fitting for the pre-Wolf359 Federation. Nechayev thusly had authority for years before her incompetence for the job became apparent, and Troi had an outrageously high rank for someone who didn't actually do very much for the first several years of the ship's mission, though eventually she did prove herself to have real skills worthy of developing.
@nutiketgotc
@nutiketgotc 5 жыл бұрын
You are confusing the differences between rank, grade, rating, and skillsets. Everything having to do with Crusher and Troi's rank and grade actually does make sense.
@quasimodojdls
@quasimodojdls 5 жыл бұрын
DS9 would have been remarkably different with Ro instead of Kira. Kira is a strong willed person who is very secure with who she is (sure, she struggles with her past from time to time, but on the whole she knows exactly who she is and want she wants). Ro is a weak person. She's deeply insecure about virtually every aspect of herself. Why do so many people think that Kira is just a clone of Ro? Because they're both Bajoran women who get angry a lot? "Diaster" - the perfect example of something not being greater than the sum of its parts. It's basically a collection of five C-plots. They're all enjoyable in their own rights. However, two should have been ejected entirely (LaForge/Crusher and Worf/Keiko). One is basically nothing but crawling through Jefferies Tubes (Riker/Data). Only the Troi/O'Brien/Ro and Picard/kids plots are handled properly. Eject the others and spend more time developing these ones, IMO. And I agree that Ro should have been the one placed in command immediately once she crawled out of the turbolift. Unlike O'Brien, she's an officer. And unlike Troi, she's a Bridge Officer. Aside from the wonderful fish-out-of-water idea of Troi in command, what does having Troi be in charge add? It would have been an even better fish-out-of-water idea for the very recently introduced Ro to be in charge. 5/10
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you didn't get your way, at least with the "eject Worf/Keiko plot". Good comedy there. (and we don't get a whole lot of comedy in TNG)
@1300l
@1300l 5 жыл бұрын
I think that Troy is a Lt.Com cause she command a staff of counselors. The enterprise is a Big Ship and her duties to assist Picard and the Senior officers for me hint that the Enterprise has lower Grande counselors to the rest of the Crew, where they report to Troy. Also, Ro is an idiot, she should respect the Rank. I don't think that Troy got lucky, the idea that NO ONE on the ship would go to engineer AFTER such a disaster is lame. Ro IS wrong.
@ohgoditshimrun1346
@ohgoditshimrun1346 5 жыл бұрын
While I have tremendous respect for you, Mr. Archengaia the Lorerunner, I have to disagree with your simplification of the uniform colors scheme. Red does not simply mean "command track". Bluesuits are trained to take the infinite possible answers to the question "what are we dealing with here", and narrow it down to find the right answer, so that the rest of the crew can know what they're dealing with. Goldsuits are trained to know how all the fantastical technologies at Starfleet's disposal work, to take the answer to that first question, and then immediately be asked the question "how should we use our available tools in this situation". And Redsuits are not just Command. They're also piloting. And logistics. Bookkeeping. Go back through the series. And ask yourself if every single professional shuttle pilot was on the Command Track. If every person in a red uniform walking the halls of Deck 7 was on the Command Track. If (from memory), 23% of the extras on the Enterprise D sets were on the Command Track. Or if wearing red MUST have a broader definition than just Command. Redsuits are trained to make snap decisions, on incomplete information, during moments of crisis. To buy time for the Bluesuits and Goldsuits to be able to do their jobs. Without making a dangerous and unclear situation any worse in the process. Sometimes, that means deciding whether or not to send down an away team into an obvious trap. Sometimes it means evasive maneuvers through an asteroid field. And sometimes it means making educated guesses about what supplies need to be stockpiled in the cargo bays before heading out on a mission, because of the difficulty of replicating / synthesizing them once you're out in the middle of nowhere. All of those are Redsuit questions. Few of them are questions to be answered by the person in command of a mission. As to this particular episode in question, Ro is not a Command Officer. She's a Helm Officer. She's trained to make snap decisions on incomplete information during moments of crisis. But only one console at a time. Making those decisions for a whole ship at a time is training she hasn't been given yet. Because she lost her rank as a Lieutenant, she had not been given the training to become a Lieutenant Commander. But Troi was wearing 2.5 pips on her collar all the way back at Farpoint, where many people have commented on the continuity glitch of her being addressed as Lieutenant despite the insignia. And she'd been coasting along since at least that far back. Not pushing for any further career advancement. Letting her Academy training in stellar sciences, quantum mechanics, and engineering... atrophy. And for four years now, every time she's been involved in command decisions, it's been to offer a consulting opinion to the person in charge. Even when the person in charge was Armus. But Troi was a Lieutenant Commander, and she had received the training, before she came to the Enterprise. There was just a whole lot of dust lying on those skills, and a whole lot of pressure. To make snap decisions, on incomplete information, during moments of crisis. Without making a dangerous and unclear situation any worse in the process.
@athrunzala6919
@athrunzala6919 5 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is, this episode isn't a complete disaster.
@conspiracyguy4045
@conspiracyguy4045 5 жыл бұрын
Lore I recommend 7 deadly sins I watched the show and right away thought of you. I truly feel like you would enjoy.
@TheRetrostorian
@TheRetrostorian 4 жыл бұрын
Picard didn't like the radish kid. I feel like he isn't Starfleet material lol.
@oakleysierney1918
@oakleysierney1918 3 жыл бұрын
Gives plot spoilers. Says "Spoiler alert". That's the wrong order.
@dreamwhisperer2340
@dreamwhisperer2340 5 жыл бұрын
What always bothered me about star trek is the transporter and replicator technology. They always handwaved the fact that you should be able to copy and store the data of the person being transported and ressucitate them in case of on site casualty. Similarily, they should be able to make perfect copies of Data, and make sure the only positronic android out there isn't lost on assignment. Replicator technology destroys all the credibility of this not being possible. If you can replicate a steak, then you can replicate a living being. Dna isn't erased just because the meat is dead., and storage space shouldn't be a problem for exactly the same reason. If you can store the dna of a cow, you can store that of a human.
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