Lori Vallow, Psychotic Splitting, & the Sacred Disease

[@trex3003]

In every exchange I've seen between her and a policeman, Lori flirts. She tries to manipulate them by flirting.

[@bella3775]

Exactly. She’s not manic, that’s her idea of being “cute”

[@emilyflotilla931]

💥

[@sadiehughes6972]

I noticed that too but she didn’t try that with Nate did she…..think he was the only one she didn’t try that with him.

[@bella3775]

@@sadiehughes6972 she didn’t because there wasn’t a need for it. She also understood that she should keep her mouth shut.

[@Messier45_Pleiades]

It worked. They were easily manipulated. Because the cops were easily manipulated Charles died, and the kids died..

[@lizabme7678]

I've had experience as a psychiatric nurse and I thought the same thing regarding folie a deux with Chad and Lori. They just seemed to feed into each other's delusions and actually expand upon them. Lori's cousin Megan reported yesterday that no one in the family had ever heard of Lori dying during her pregnancy with Tylee. I imagine she wanted to be just as exalted as Chad.

[@KatJ3st]

Bingo!

[@lesliekupchanko5001]

Wow. How can people yarn stories!!

[@judiashley5818]

Summer also backed up that this story was never known to anyone in the family.

[@cantsay]

She was pulling out all the stops, using every technique she developed to wrap people around her fingers. It worked in church, not in court!

[@harrynac6017]

Well, a folie a trois in this case. Alex basically did most of the dirty work.

[@sandrabryan817]

what also should be discussed is her strange relationship with her brother. She portrayed herself as perfect and her brother worshipped her as perfect. She really enjoyed the adoration of her brother and used it to her advantage.

[@catbyte0679]

Agreed. I found it interesting that she never mentioned her brother at all in her little sermon. Why didn't HE "visit" her? Consciousness of guilt? Distancing herself from her partner in crime? Well, not partner. Convenient stooge is more like it.

[@BethStoss-zt4dm]

Yet she never mentions him once! Not on her insane statement!

[@darklorddisco]

He had a TBI from a motorcycle accident which makes the whole thing extra sad

[@deborahsunflower939]

Also bro's wife Zulema described Lori putting her legs around Alex's waist and him bouncing her up and down while they made moaning noises. Ugh

[@catbyte0679]

@@deborahsunflower939 Oh, ew.

[@dsbond8048]

I feel sorry for Tylee. Her mother made her lie about her father Joe Ryan, fed her poison (Factitious disorder), and made her an accomplice in the murder of Charles Vallow. After all this loyalty, Lori had her murdered and chopped up. .

[@ihatespam2]

And for months she told her she was getting Dark, which she knows meant demonic control. So she was terrorized.

[@aphroditestan]

I mean I feel pretty deeply for JJ as well. He wasn't even her biological child. If he had been placed with someone else, he would be alive.

[@ritagreen6499]

I believe Tylee did not fit her mother’s vision of the physically perfect teenager. Tylee was a full figured teen & her mother & sisters were extremely fit & cheerleader types during their teenage years. I believe since her daughter wasn’t a carbon copy of herself she was viewed as disposable by her Mom. Tylee always appeared to be a loving & sweet young woman, who cared deeply for JJ.

[@kevinhornbuckle]

@@ritagreen6499 Lori likely saw her daughter as competition and made her fat and sick in order to sabotage the competition. So, like a true narcissist, Lori caused the problem and then exploited the existence of the problem. In her statement to the court, Lori cast herself as a compassionate mother of a very sick daughter.

[@jerseyshoreliving_NatalieMal]

@@ritagreen6499 I've thought that too.

[@MQuadrucci]

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony (circa 1896)

[@StellaFl]

👏👏👏👏

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

That is the best, most accurate quote I've ever read! Describes my mother in law perfectly 😮

[@DavidDeeble]

Really? Most people I know believe their Creator demands they do those things they *don’t* wish to do: tell the truth, remain faithful, hold back their anger, etc.

[@CristinaF210]

i always said that i THOUGHT everyone knew this

[@CristinaF210]

@@DavidDeeble that too, but many will say the Lords name when they shouldnt they will say it just to prove to others whatever they are doing or thinking its because the Lord wants them to, and we all know ITS NOT TRUE

[@sarkahalastova9667]

Great analysis! And it’s amazing how many of these tendencies her cousin Megan Conner spotted! Apparently, Lori’s dad always referenced the “95 %” (the ordinary, mediocre people) and kept stressing their family was special, smarter, better-looking.

[@forgivemore4488]

LDS families feel like they are better than others.

[@somewhereincanada3335]

With reference to "smarter", did any of the kids attend post secondary?

[@sarkahalastova9667]

@@forgivemore4488 Yes, Megan explained that. However, I watched Tammy's family members testify at the trial, and they all seemed like nice and honest people. They corrected the picture for me...

[@maryanncarine2075]

Yes...I remember her mother saying how stunning beautiful Lori was. Couln't figure that one out. Sometimes , ok looking is good enough .But beauty is in the eye of the beholder,of course. ..gets a bit over used IMO.

[@susiew2521]

This is why I adore my dad, who has kept us all feet to the ground with his amazing and often hilarious honesty. Like when I told him I wish I'd been a fighter pilot - his response? . . . "Oh Susie, that's for the few, you're one if the many". 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ChubbyUnicorn]

Religion gets Lori what she wants. Lori wasn't religious because she believes, Lori is religious because it puts her in a group of people willing to feed her narcissistic beliefs. A culture which is easily manipulated by her.

[@GeorgiaJakes7]

I think it gave her crazy brain the rush of dopamine that she craved. It seems that way to me. Maybe combination of both.

[@judiashley5818]

Exactly well said

[@sarkahalastova9667]

Yes! In his podcast, Lori’s uncle Rex talks about how she was always jealous of her grand-mother for her reputation of having psychic powers.

[@jessaabraham]

Yet no one came forward and asked her to stop sit get treatment. Seems like they encouraged her.

[@maryellenbeale2188]

Just like Tom cruise with scientology

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

I think it would be fascinating to see you do a video about Darrell Brooks, the man who killed 6 people and injured dozens more in Waukesha WI. His trial was infuriating to watch, his personality is something else.

[@lisacarroll9927]

Her saying a ticking time bomb was done serious foreshadowing

[@mrfake675]

People tell you who they are if you let them talk long enough.

[@glowindark64]

​@@mrfake675and if you wait longer they will back it up fo ya

[@kalliamanoussaki876]

The “miss my lip gloss” comment was part of her charm technique. She is being cute and trying to elicit laughter. She seems very good at it.

[@jankasza5538]

Thus, manipulation!

[@MKM508]

:Miss my lip gloss" Part of her superficial self-importantance to look the part of beauty in order to elicit attention. Lip gloss would be the least of my worries if I had my purse taken with all my important items in it such as money, license, credit cards, etc.

[@lydiaj7492]

Oh yes, people like her are usually incredibly charming and can make people adore them

[@marcomalo02]

No matter her mental condition, this accursed harpy knew then and still knows that murdering her children (and others) was categorically wrong.

[@denisesorenson4000]

To me Narcissist are Demonic...honestly Lori does not care what she did in her mind if she wanted something she was entitled to it, and whatever she had to do to get it was justified ...it's ok. There is no difference to her between stealing something or killing someone it is all the same, equal....no big deal "I needed to do it" so I can have what I want and since I am more important than anyone else it's ok and everyone else should just be ok with it.

[@innocentnemesis3519]

yep. People don’t lie and spin tales to deceive others if they are too insane to know right from wrong.

[@deborahsunflower939]

I think she thinks she knows better than everyone else. And the rules don't apply to her since she has the hotline to God. Her version of God.

[@South_Heat]

I love that description…”accursed harpy.” Of all things, “accursed” is the most fitting word I’ve come across and “harpy”… equally as perfect.

[@kateashby3066]

I just don’t know about this. I think it’s more complex than that. Delusion is after all… delusion. I say this as a woman who’s father was delusional and so was my ex. When I was a child my dad accused me of stealing a diamond ring from his room and replacing it with a CZ. What KID knows how to do that? That’s just one example of the insane shit that would poop into his head and he ran with. My ex has bipolar and believed he had a 6 figure job, except that he was sleeping on his friends floor because he was broke. I don’t understand how delusion works because reality doesn’t correspond with the delusions most of the time- but the person isn’t able to acknowledge that. In no way will I ever excuse LVD’s actions, but I am not convinced she truly understands what she has done, not like WE do. Another example- I am a recovering alcoholic and looking back it’s insane to me how I was on denial for about 10 years that my life was out of control. It was MY normal so I didn’t “see” it. This is a different type of delusion which we just refer to as denial, but it’s very real. The human psyche is very good at creating barriers to protect ourselves from acknowledging hard truths. So what then does delusion look like when we are talking about actual mental illness? Like I illustrated with me dad and ex? I think on a level- she does believe this shit, because she HAS to. She can’t accept who she REALLY is.

[@mariedowney1676]

Notice how all her psychosis relates directly to her financial gain when convenient

[@xymotic]

THIS!

[@EmilysDismantlingDelulus]

I always think about Tylee and JJ. They were such beautiful kids. And my deepest condolences to the entire family!! Also to Charles and Tammy's wonderful families I send you my sympathies..

[@ajordan1976]

Tammy's children unfortunately are standing behind their father.

[@WyCowgirl2010]

​@@ajordan1976I kinda get WHY though. They've been drinking the KOOL-AID since they were born. They desperately don't want to lose their father too .. and have to believe that HE took her from them! I can only imagine their fear and wanting to hold on to that last thread of hope. I'm so very sorry for their losses and their pain. 🙏💔

[@ajordan1976]

@@WyCowgirl2010 I understood until her autopsy results were released. Now there's no doubt she did not die of natural causes. That would wake me up from any Kool aid induced stupor. It's insulting to their mother's memory to support her killer.

[@patjohnson6234]

All the time they were together and thought they were praising the Lord, they were serving the devil.

[@wisewillow5731]

The fact she spoke nothing of the so called "zombies" in her final speech speaks volumes. The fact that she justified murders as basically "mercy killings" is utterly repulsive and shows she is way too dangerous to ever let free. This after 4 years and seeing the evidence presented. Arrogant to the bitter end, her bitter end.

[@StellaFl]

Aren't you glad she decided to speak? I'm ecstatic because she gave Judge Boyce no choice but to bury her under the prison.

[@starrycrown]

Excellent point about the lack of the zombie thing!

[@StellaFl]

@@starrycrown I second that! great point! Not delusional and she knows right from wrong!!

[@JackieOlantern]

I thought that at first too but then as I thought about her statement “no one was murdered” I wondered if she is justifying killing their physical bodies “because” she believed they were dark/zombies/demon possessed. 🤔🤔

[@wisewillow5731]

@@StellaFl absolutely! As annoying as it was, because you know she got off on the ego boost of it all, it was worth it. She will waste others time and money in an appeal, but that speech has utterly buried her! 👌

[@Maxine.Demian]

@14:00 or so- I have bipolar with psychosis and when I saw her police interview for the first time I saw the same red flags indicating that she might have mania. (Granted, I have “hammer/nail syndrome” when it comes to bipolar.) The emotional lability while managing to socially manipulate the situation + Tylee managing her odd behavior + reference to lack of sleep. Not saying she really hadn’t slept in three days, but if she is sleep deprived she certainly doesn’t seem tired, which is consistent with mania….

[@Ricalitch]

The connection you explained - her being unsatisfied with her previous husbands until she met someone who was self proclaimed messia-onic - mutually reinforcing their delusional disorder.... so interesting. She finally found what she was seeking...

[@nolagirl2458]

I thought the same thing! Two perfect insane (killer) storms found each other..

[@jupeter24]

she did.

[@lindas5964]

This was one of the best personality disorder analysis videos I’ve seen.

[@gogo-word]

She knows how to keep up the fantasy. Even though she says there were no murders, just maybe suicide, accident, or bad medications, one child was tarped and duct taped and the other was dismembered and set on fire. There is no logic to her lies. She is using religion as a shield.

[@Listening4Gabriel]

I heard one clinical psychologist say that she didn't believe murder had occurred because she believed her children and Tammy were zombies or demons. Therefore, the real people were only set free.

[@winstonsmith2663]

Yeah, I was also thinking about the specific murder aspects. Pretty hard to square with any kind of fantasy she is willing to share. There’s a lot of iceberg under her facade.

[@mickymitts3031]

LVD IS A LIAR!!!!!!

[@DeeLite220]

Don’t forget Tylee and the multiple stab marks to her pelvis.

[@Jgjanice]

Extreme religiosity is why this all happened. She believes everything that pops into her brain. She was infatuated with this last piece of work who wrote books and literature that went along with her dilutions The kids her x husband and his wife were in her way to move right along Her husband was appalled by her delusions so she had to escape the relationship and found the perfect nut case to escape her current marriage What a weirdo and insane delusional screwed up evil 👿 manipulative demon.

[@LauraLeeSolomon]

Don't omit the evaluated narcissism--using people and always getting what she wants. Thwarting Lori is a good way to wind up dead.

[@tracymartinson2927]

Right? I think her son's girlfriend is lucky to be alive.

[@nancyswitzler667]

I'm

[@cassandra3862]

The police were actually advising her in how to avoid the law…’If you don’t answer the door then we won’t break it down’. They were taken in by her. Again.

[@StellaFl]

Thank you! I wrote a post specifically about that before seeing yours. And, on top of that, they never took her to Community Bridges. She went with Gibb and in a few hours said she'd passed with flying colors. 😠😠😡

[@eden_aumakua]

This is - BAR NONE - the best commentary I've seen on the players in this case. People are so rabid with anger and disgust (and granted it goes against all that we know as healthy and good), they just want to set these people on fire. In my opinion, we'd better learn to recognize how these cults work and how, in tandem with mental illness, can result in disastrous results.

[@amiosa35]

This channel is excellent, I agree! You’d probably enjoy Hidden True Crime on this topic as well

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

💯

[@plumberofamerica]

Thank you. As a forensic social worker, I fear people don't really appreciate real experts anymore. I really appreciate a psychiatrist's perspective because I'm not one. We can understand these cases and even prevent them if real experts have a public platform. Unfortunately, many of us can't talk about these cases online because we're targeted by mentally unstable people all the time. I used to talk about these topics too and then a delusional person I don't know decided to make me his next obsession. Therapists and other MH experts are less and less safe these days. That's why I encourage people to support the few of us left who make good content. We're a dying breed

[@i.ehrenfest349]

@@plumberofamericayou were the target of an online obsessive person, or in real life?

[@i.ehrenfest349]

Yes, if we just want to look at disgusted faces we only have to turn Nancy what’s her name on. Pointless.

[@armynurseshark]

Excellent, non-sensationalist look at this overwhelmingly sad situation

[@farmgirl-nursedoc]

THANK YOU!! I was hoping you would jump in with your take on this- such a horrible case! I would love to hear you collab with Hidden True Crime!

[@emmyrose1802]

I agree. Two very intelligent men. Although I think Dr van der vaart is smarter but he has a MD. I love Dr. John though!

[@judiashley5818]

Dr John has interesting takes but not always. He totally fell for Amber Heards story

[@vihmake]

They are somehow very different. I don't know, different school of thought? I prefer van der Vaart, but would also like to listen to their discussion. Lauren, as a journalist, keeps Hidden very active, this is the main reason I have listened to Dr John a lot.

[@dfinite1111]

These are such deep, scholarly, videos; this channel is one of my favorites. I think you would get more viewers if they could find you. Your name of your KZbin channel is your actual name, but there are no words that identify ‘psychology’ ‘crime’ ‘criminals’ etc--Key words in a title are how interested people find the channels they are insterested in. Those key words, descriptors, are words they search with.

[@indigoblue4791]

I agree this channel would appeal to so many people. I have a feeling it will come!! 😊

[@nolagirl2458]

I agree 💯!! This is a great channel. Just not reaching enough ppl maybe

[@em84c]

​​@@nolagirl2458I only just found it and Ive been watching true crime for years! I had to search for it after someone reccomended them in a comment.

[@DELLRS2012]

I had no idea about temporal lobe epilepsy, but this explains so much. My mom who has this diagnosis and is also a Mormon who exhibits psychotic behaviors and hyper religiosity.

[@misspoppymagill6487]

I love your videos! You give the best psychological understanding of anyone I have seen.

[@emilyflotilla931]

It will be interesting when Chad's trial comes up to see if there's been any mental health diagnosis of him during his incarceration of note. The Folly A Deux theory here may be interesting.

[@juicyjules7409]

Yes 😈👿💔💔💔💔💔

[@nicoledoubleyou]

Folie a deux

[@claudfili1]

as a behavioral health clinician, I cannot thank you enough for this thorough and interesting analysis of this woman. I always question why I am intrigued by these cases, and thanks to you, I now believe I understand! I hope you will continue on You Tube with these analyses of these personality types. Thx again

[@kittygonzalez2827]

I think you hit the correct assessment button on this one! Good job.

[@clockworkpink13]

Wonder how long it would have been till chad either "passed away" or was replaced.

[@Nefertiti0403]

Good question.

[@avavienneceleste965]

When the money ran out and she needed more.

[@rita6459]

Money & sex

[@LadyNerdyLegalPants]

Lori was diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder and hyperreligiousity. This was verified by the judge during her sentencing.

[@VintageVegans]

Hyper religiosity is not a diagnosis.

[@janicescott7338]

I think you are right on Dr. And In the police interrogation of Lori I never blamed LE for not retaining her because she just acted silly and flirting. Very manipulative. In my experience trying to get my loved one committed, it’s a long, drawn out process. Where LE failed in my opinion was not arresting Alex when he killed Charles.

[@ajordan1976]

Lori was there and I believe she shot Charles at least once while he was in the ground. Go listen to the interrogation after the killing. Le failed to detain them both All 3 told 3 different stories. They treated her like a victim. They should have tested for gunshot residue at the minimum! Go watch again. You might just change your mind.

[@lindatannock]

Charles told the police more than once that he feared they were going to kill him. If a woman had said that it would have been a different matter entirely. The police did absolutely nothing. He warned them about her behaviour and they failed him utterly. If Alex (as you said) had been arrested everyone else would still be alive.

[@ajordan1976]

@@lindatannock 🎯

[@doctorposting]

any halfwit doctor or medical student would have picked up on the signs of potential bipolar/borderline and sent her to get a full eval. cops should NOT be doing a job they’re clearly not trained for.

[@plumberofamerica]

my guess is that Lori was cleared by LE and the hospital, but not cleared of any mental illness. she waa just cleared of any SI or HI. Unfortunately, most psych inpatient programs only keep you if you meet that strict threshold. I work in the field. did rounds in a psych inpatient at the VA and it was really scary to see how many patients have to be released who shouldn't. I could tell real quick that she was showing mood instability and manipulation. I'm sure they had concerns, too. this is why we burn out in mh. we can see the dangers and its the courts that prevent us from acting on our clinical instincts. Shame on cps. they should have been way more involved and earlier. our entire cps system is staffed with social workers who are not trained well and get paid abysmally low to do the hardest job on the planet. I'm a social worker and cps failed to protect me from a mother who's Unfortunately got a lot of similarities as lori

[@adoral.libertucci2647]

Yours was the analysis that makes the most sense to me. Lori’s grandiosity and sexual prowess has had me wonder if bi polar along with BLPD with narcissism. I found the temporal seizures discussion fascinating. A thorough forensic examination of Lori would be very interesting indeed! I’m so intrigued by what brings people to commit the unthinkable.

[@pikas_palace]

I really love your channel, the way you invoke both current research and historical concepts. It seems that the majority of analyses one finds on youtube are audience driven, rather than an objective appraisal. That is, focused on giving the viewer what they want and reducing every action of an offender to "narcissism". Although this medium is for entertainment primarily, so fair enough, but this is just to say I enjoy your scholarly takes

[@melmac685]

Well done, I had to replay to digest your observations. I feel you're spot on, & you explain it well here. Thank you 👍👍

[@camillemayers103]

Don't forget that Chad told Lori that she is a literal Goddess. He is also reported to have used this same tactic with other females preceding Lori.

[@KineticSoul2]

Best psychological assessment of Lori Vallow I’ve seen. Been looking for something like this. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@logans_beastmaster]

I recently found your channel and I LOVE your videos, thank you so much for taking the time to make such a detailed analysis. As a clinician it gives me the opportunity to learn more about how to conceptualize these one in a million cases

[@JackieOlantern]

With all due respect to police officers, the ones who dealt with Lori on multiple occasions, seemed to be somewhat enthralled with her… even the female officer than questioned her after Alex shot Charles. It’s so cringe. Charles begged the cops to help him. He told them she was going to kill him. The had no effs to give. Even after he was actually killed. It’s unbelievable to me.

[@muirgirl]

Cops fail male and female victims of IPV just like that every day. It’s terrible.

[@MissMala]

I think you’ve made more sense about this than all of the other specialists have made. Not to put them down, but your information just makes so much more sense!

[@StellaFl]

It does indeed!

[@phiggins54]

An articulate and perceptive analysis which has a relevance and application beyond the individual case. Excellent!

[@ferociousgumby]

I keep thinking of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrand. Very similar dynamics with Lori and Melanie Gibb.

[@pirbird14]

So many people try to place one or the other as "the" mastermind. It has seemed to me from the beginning that they fed off each other. Chad supplied the intellectual ability to spin elaborate plans full of intricate detail, while Lori supplied the passion required to motivate reification of those plans. Yes, Lori is almost compulsively flirty and is seen as manipulative; but, Chad had the ability when they first met to instantly size her up and come up with the exact line needed to reel her in. They both used each other and fed off each other.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Chad is a doofus He isnt any sort of intellectual.

[@griffin2263]

Plus he thought Lori was so out of his league he had to make crap up to impress her any other woman would have smelled his bullshit a mile away. Plus Charles was 100 times a better man then chad. She must be crazy 😜

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

💯

[@courtneycampden-main7133]

Dr. Van der Vaart, please make a video about Ethan Crumbley and or his parents. It’s great to see your channel growing.

[@dailyybargollin6783]

I love how you get right to the point with no long introductions

[@ceedeebee6423]

Hello! New sub here...I have to say this is the most insightful analysis i have seen on Lori..and I have seen many. Great video!

[@cobibezuidenhout8078]

Totally agree.

[@Nefertiti0403]

Wow that was good! I could’ve listened to you for hours

[@pseudio3141]

Interesting that you bring up temporal lobe epilepsy. I have really enjoyed some of Yuval Labor's work on TLE, religiosity, and certainty. I have found his suggestion that L. Ron Hubbard had TLE very compelling. Fascinating stuff.

[@giorgismama8024]

Thank you for your explanation! I had picked up on the idea that Lori might be bipolar, too. You point out so many interesting things. Blessings!

[@atticus-iz7iw]

Thank you very much for sharing such insightful thoughts and information. You mentioned folie a deux … I am wondering if you might consider doing an episode on the Swedish Eriksson twins? This is an extremely bizarre UK case featured in a documentary called “Madness In The Fast Lane”. I watched this a number of years ago … I would be very grateful for your input. They are identical twins. There is also fascinating discussion in this documentary about “folie a deux” and acute polymorphic psychotic disorder. Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

[@user-vz3fh6oj7d]

"I don't want to come down too hard on the police." Well, Charles was strongly and actively trying to let them know what was happening and the eminent danger he felt he was in as well as the kids. They decided to gnore him and were too busy flirting and handling Lori with kid gloves. They are partly responsible for what has happened to Charles, Tammy and the kids. Smh

[@StellaFl]

Plus a bit later in the video he showed from Gilbert PD, the same 🤬🤬cop gives her tips on how to evade being forcibly taken for the psych eval.

[@listrahtes]

A female abuser is still treated very different and often gets away even when caught. Police ignore signs , judges do not actually incarcerate them despite doing the crimes. Look at his other video about Anna Stubblefield. She raped a mental patient and got her sentence overturned. It's horrible but as a woman you have a good chance getting away with physical abuse and being overlooked preparing murder

[@MlleAventure]

As a sociologist I can’t help but feeling that so much of this is contextual and learned :)

[@lmullens75]

What you said at around 11 minutes is a breath of fresh air compared to what other analysis have talked about. It bothers me that she talks about religion and Jesus potentially skewing someone looking in from outside Christianity and evaluating the Christian faith based on what she is saying. I mean she’s crazy so you would think people would take that with a grain of salt, but it just hurts my heart I think about what this could be doing to turn people away from the Christian faith. Thank you for your intelligent, straightforward approach! It also was easy for a lay person who is not a PhD to understand.

[@EmilysDismantlingDelulus]

She is responsible for the death of her kids, Tylee and JJ. I have followed this very closely. I saw a time in which she changed, and I am in no way giving an excuse. I am trying to understand her thoughts. I think when JJ entered her life, she didn't want that. She was happy Tylee was finally older, and more independent. Now she is back to diapers and a child with very special needs, which means that freedom is gone. Poor JJ was a gift. She was losing control of Colby. Very passive-aggressive. How can a mom be jealous of her son's girlfriend!! A controlling and narcissistic evil mom.

[@skyeblu1722]

Agreed…great analysis

[@judiashley5818]

That could be part of it but look at what happened with Joe Ryan so it goes back further

[@JackienoO]

Changed meaning the mask dropped ....😒

[@janetshemaryahu5529]

JJ made Lori appear younger, and Lori liked that. And she used his special needs to get a whole lot of attention (schools, social services), and to play the martyr and the saintly mom.

[@EmilysDismantlingDelulus]

i dont think our minds can comprehend this

[@laraoneal7284]

This is the best analysis I’ve heard on this woman . You are on point. You bring in spiritual connections also which I’ve heard NO PSYCHOLOGISTS INCLUDE. Excellent job sir. Great provocative knowledge here by you. Ty . Subbed.

[@Stellaluna88]

Chad was also known to use the “We were married in a past life” line when making a pass at other women. It worked on Lori and the rest is history. I do agree about the folie a deux between them.

[@ColleenMcCoin]

Excellent analysis IMO. I've devoured every bit of information I can find on this case, and I've followed it since the beginning. Loved hearing your take on Lori. We are all so baffled at how this seemingly "normal" woman could go so horribly wrong. Your analysis helps us make sense of it all. So thank you

[@Maxine.Demian]

I think this is the first channel I’ve seen say she might have bipolar. This is so validating since this was my theory as well

[@peterjhayashi]

Really enjoyed the video. FYI: Geschwind syndrome not Gerschwind. (I was a neuropsychologist in the behavioral neurology founded by Norm Geschwind and saw most of the epilepsy patients).

[@gaiagreen2690]

During our psychiatry education, we learned that people always naturally incorporate the elements of their environment, upbringing and the belief system they grew up in into their mental disorders. In other words, the way that one was brought up would naturally be a part of one's mental illness. That is why here in Europe, up until the mid 20th century most of the psychotic symptoms had a religious nuance to them, but as the society grew more secular, there appeared less and less religious elements and more modern ones in every new generation of patients. Most of my psychotic patients, who all grew up and were educated in big towns, now believe they are being followed by the UFOs, the CIA or similar forces, while the patients who come from rural Italy will all still see devils, demons and other frightening elements of catholic religiosity. In Lori's case I mostly see malignant narcissism, which expressed itself through the religius teachings of her home and surroundings. Until she met Chad, she was trying to excell, be special and get praise through playing an ideal mormon woman, while simultaneously seeking male adoration (and living out her promiscuity) and discarding the previous when a new one appeared. When Chad surfaced, himself a promiscuous manipulator with a delusion of grandeur, who was satisfying his own cravings for power, money and adoration through his own religious fantasies, Lori literally saw her soulmate and her mirror image in him. He fed her insatiable narcissistic hunger by elevating her to a goddess, while she gave him sex and promissed him Charles' money. They developed a narcissistic symbiosis which manifested itself through the faith they both grew up and lived in, and they started annihilating everyone who stood in their way of becoming a pair of cult leaders.

[@StellaFl]

Grazie mille for that!!! My thoughts EXACTLY!!! Greetings from Greece!

[@TheLolapuff]

Spot on and well written

[@tay590]

Incredible analysis!!!

[@Wizardofwords-g7v]

Excellent analysis. I actually do wish that you would cover and analyse the whole story. I have a postgraduate degree in Psychology as well as a Bachelor's in Criminology and I find your in depth discussion and analysis fascinating. I have subscribed and hope to see many more videos like this. Greetings from South Africa. 🇿🇦

[@heatherfitzgerald.]

Definitely skilled in your craft! Brilliance matched with intellect! It's clear you're well educated in this field. Very much enjoyed your content! You Rock

[@lesliekupchanko5001]

I love your work. Your humor is dry in a way. Mostly i enjoyed ypur take on why us True Crimer's are the way we are. What makes us tick in an obssesive way. It explained thiings. And you did it in a tongue and cheek way that took the sting out our strangeness. Ive told a lot of poeple about that video. And especially to the acquaintances I have who ridicule my hunger for True Crime. (They just don't get it) (They are just not evolved enough....Yet you called us primitive) (Chuckle) Now because of you i have a foot to stand on.... Only true True Crimers understand each other. You're a good doctor, with a passion for humans and human nature. Thats why you come acroos, for the most part as good natured and affectiknate towards us simple creatures. 😊 I get you.

[@traceylok675]

I like your analysis of Lori, it makes a lot of sense.

[@Pure_99]

I think this video answered all my unanswered questions - please make more videos and analyses - it was very thorough and valuable.

[@luminouskaleidoscope73]

Brilliant video, thank you - I am always so pleased to see when you have a new one out😊

[@tredjesongen]

Wow. Just discovered this channel. All I can think about is this sounds like a Nobel prize winners speach. And I do not say this ever. Thank You. And please never stop. No pressure 😅.

[@MKM508]

Thank you Dr. Andrew for your very interesting and educational presentation. Your observations and explanations have enlightened me and I now have changed my opinion regarding a few of Lori's motives for her actions as well as her mental condition. I still believe she knew what she did was wrong and she is exactly where she needs to be. Justice was served appropriately. I now have a better understanding of how the influences in her life enabled her psyche to create a world for her to live in, dysfunctional as it is.

[@calicat7794]

You would think that Lori and/or Chad or Alex would have had a sane moment where they would have thought it would be so wrong to kill the 2 kids, Tammy and Charles. Out of the 3 of them I guess this never happen. Crazy how they all thought the same.

[@judiashley5818]

Alex was a total follower of Lori's. He went to jail for brutally assaulting husband 3 amd then killed husband four. This stuff happened with number 3 before Daybell. Alex had a Brain injury from car accident as a teen and Lori knew how to manipulate him. He would do anything she asked. She uses everyone to her advantage. Gave Daybell his fantasy cheerleader.

[@janicescott7338]

I have wondered many times how the whole group of them were all like minded. How in the world do that many deranged people meet! I guess it just shows how serious delving into the occult can be. Not good.

[@judiashley5818]

​@@janicescott7338it's not really about the cult. I agree with how this Dr summed it up. It was the excuse motive.

[@kookietherapy9398]

@@janicescott7338 There are 2 Melanie's that should be held accountable.

[@claudiatapia8310]

@@kookietherapy9398 And according to testimonies Melanie's kids were turning dark, thank God they had Brandon to protect them

[@kathrynpaigebabin]

Yes, very manic, Interesting to watch Tylee gesture her mother down.

[@debrabaum1110]

Best commentary on Lori Vallow that I have seen Dr Van Der Vaart!

[@jo-annepearson]

Thank you for sharing your expertise and providing insight into human behaviour that is sometimes difficult to comprehend. Cape Town.

[@lkenady52]

You say things with more understanding than anyone else on u-tube does about this case and Lori Vallow! I subscribed and look forward to all your videos!

[@GeorgiaJakes7]

Who else wishes Tammy Daybell would come back from the dead and B *tch slab Lori? 😂

[@Trendlespin]

I do. Terrible that she called Tammy her FRIEND!

[@jerseyshoreliving_NatalieMal]

I do ... I rewatched a few times the sentencing and can't even imagine if I was her sister or aunt sitting there the thoughts going through their minds. Karma will visit her. It already has

[@Rainybones]

Doctor, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us. You explain things clearly and in a way that everyone can understand. Looking forward to more of your content.

[@StellaFl]

Doctor, you raise some very interesting points, thank you! One point in the video needs to be clarified though. When you say that you don't want to come down too hard on the police officers, I REALLY think you need to know the whole story and come down on them like a ton of bricks. That idiot officer in the video, after offering his "diagnosis" that she's not a threat, proceeded to give her advice on how to evade being taken by the police for the mental evaluation (it's on the footage). They actually never took her to Community Bridges. According to her sidekick, Melanie Gibb, she went on her own, stayed a few hours and then came out saying she had passed with "flying colors".

[@jenstale]

If you saw her appear in court this week she looked so happy - she was seemed happy that cameras were there - would love to hear your thoughts

[@marietjiehildebrandt1324]

brilliant synopsis,you have a great career ahead of you. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@TheDeniseiskool]

I was thinking the same thing about her marriages. Thank you for bringing it up.

[@annalisette5897]

You have made more sense of this mess than has anyone else.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Best understanding and explanation I've seen so far.

[@epicviewerJJ]

I love your videos. I had no idea that any sort of seizures could (potentially) cause intense religious experiences. That’s crazy, wow!

[@boobootheballbreaker2092]

I love these analyses. When someone asks "how could someone do that?", this is the answer. It's not an excuse for heinous crimes, just how messed up the human mind can be. Nature/nurture doesn't even seem to matter.

[@StephenBrock17]

Your channel is great

[@janegardener1662]

Thank you for helping to explain the inexplicable. You have a very good take on all of this.

[@tdjlmj8896]

Amazing psychology and in-depth analysis

[@NatalieBryden]

I absolutely LOVE your channel. Thank you.

[@qgirl3257]

Love your analysis, Andrew! I've been saying that Lori's motive is not sex and money, but you give a good reason as to why that is important to her.

[@d.carter]

This was so interesting. I always love hearing your analyses. So sad and evil what they did 😢

[@BustershotTV]

This is such a good channel

[@222dyan]

Fascinating. Could you expand more on your comments about the frontal cortex and all encompassing religious beliefs? I liked your thoughts on epilepsy and how it relates to this and manic manifestations. TY. Enjoying your channel.

[@judiashley5818]

l think you did an exceellent assessment. I have followed this case closely since the near beginning. I wonder if perhaps some drug use as well. Her brother Alex often went to Mexico to get drugs. This might be a reason of hypermania. She was very giggly when the police arrived at her husbands shooting. The parrell between her perhaps idolizing her farher as a spirt giant to her fascination with Daybell who actually is rarher dull person is ( most would agree) also interssting as part of her psychological pathology.

[@novelist99]

One doesn't need drugs to become manic.

[@judiashley5818]

@novelist99 did l say that? Wow always rude people who need to correct a possibility as not a possibility.

[@Trendlespin]

SO agree, there is nothing attractive about Daybell.

[@Peaceshiet812]

Believing it , as an ego protective fantasy , I think you nailed it .

[@suzanneroberge494]

What an interesting assessment, thank you.

[@larajohn9535]

Mormonism is All about- ‘Be ye therefore perfect’! Perfect. Perfect! Perfect!!

[@yogadork_namaste]

Wow you really help make sense of this situation.

[@EffSharp]

So: how do we test people to discover frontal lobe seizure disorders that don’t show up on standard tests?

[@serenity2832]

First time watching one of your videos, enjoyed your analysis. Also appreciated your willingness to put your own questions out there about the relationship between anti-seizure medication and treatment for bipolar disorder. I had a venous, hemorrhagic stroke that affected my frontal lobes. About a month after, I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety. The only medication that has helped me to get out of bed each day is Lamotrigine. I've asked my doctors if I am bipolar, but they've said no. The brain is such an interesting, and sensitive organ. I'm still curious what all happened from my stoke, how it affects me now and how it will in the future.

[@Hudson1910]

This is an excellent video with an explanation of this person and her behavior.

[@clockworkpink13]

Hello 🤗 thank you for the upload, got me through work tonight. 🎉