Lorna Shore ​(Will Ramos) - To The Hellfire [Pianist listens to metalhead friend’s suggestion]

[@Greatmeasures]

Stick around for the discussion after the song. What is it about harsh vocals that’s appealing to you? Judson wants to know.

[@MartinvonBargen]

I've always liked them since I got into extreme music at the end of the 80s. Something about the saturation they add to certain tunings. Personally I can't stand pig squeal vocals. With more traditional death and black metal vocals, for me it's like the vocalist's chance to emulate and compliment the insanity of the guitarist and bassist's tones. Also phrasing is much more dramatic if the vocals literally sound like someone dying. Biggest plus is when a more casual listener likes the music but hates the vocals. Then you know you're onto a winner. 🤘🤘

[@Greatmeasures]

@@MartinvonBargen “phrasing is much more dramatic if the vocals literally sound like someone dying” 😂 I lol’d. 🤘

[@MedTechMetal]

I've always been a fan of them since I first heard them back in the late 80s early 90s because of the level of aggression it adds. To me it just adds another layer of heaviness and feel

[@MartinvonBargen]

@@Greatmeasures When I was a kid I used to fight a lot with one of my older brothers, especially when we'd watched old skool wrestling on UK TV. We'd get each other in chokeholds so often that we'd sound like George Fisher, but in 1982. First times I was truly blown away were seeing Carcass in Liverpool when they were a three piece and Bill Steer was doing the backing vocals, and also seeing Emperor and COF live in 1993. Really did sound like someone was being choked to death in a 70s horror film. 🤘🤘

[@rexlupis]

As someone who has enjoyed harsh vocals for decades and someone who was a vocalist for a couple extreme metal bands back in the early 2000's, I agree with the sentiment of the above comments; it is certainly a style interested in making the music sound even more primal, raw and aggressive to compliment the other instruments in a harsh, disharmonic way. It is meant to amplify the intensity in both the music and the listeners. Clear annunciation of words is less common than other styles; some vocalists are rather clear but still sound brutal. Glen Benton of Deicide is rather easy to understand through his growl; Deicide was one of the first death metal bands I got into back in the 90ies. Oli Peters from Archspire has some of the best annunciation of any vocalist I've heard, but he is also doing it so quickly it still has the same effect of overloading the listener's capacity to understand the lyrics. His technique is amazing though and is worth a listen if you want to look at death metal vocals percussively. I tend to actually prefer vocalists who make the choice, like Will Ramos, to happily sacrifice annunciation for more experimental and distorted tones. Some of my favorite vocal performances were Lord Worm in the early 90ies with Cryptopsy's first two full length albums. That being said, some vocalists get amazing performances of some of the best from both schools of thought; people like Peter Tagtgren from Hypocrisy. His vocal performances on the albums "Abducted" and "The Final Chapter" are incredibly varied, yet relatively clearly announced for the genre.

[@ianlogan205]

The pure discomfort was great.

[@rasputinpootin]

I love how Richard is just laughing at poor Judson's faces as the video goes on hahaha ,the Richard cam really adds to the viewing experience. On that note, Pain Remains has a instrumental version of it, maybe Judson would appreciate that and sort of "get" the melodic side of Lorna. Maybe also showing the lyrics of the song would make a difference. This song has incredible lyrics and without knowing it I would never like it as much as I do now.

[@Greatmeasures]

That’s exactly what I plan to do when we revisit Lorna Shore. I have a hunch that the drumming might still bother him, but it’s worth a try.

[@justsmile963]

​@@Greatmeasures wow! Definitely will be waiting for this!

[@rahbeat9785]

@@Greatmeasures why go back to Lorna Shore when there is so much better more melodic Deathcore out there

[@Greatmeasures]

@@rahbeat9785 We’re just getting started with the deathcore stuff. I plan to show him a lot more. Do you have a recommendation?

[@2174863]

@@GreatmeasuresMaybe show him some Shrine of Malice or Disembodied Tyrant or a cool tech death band like spawn of possession

[@alexkenley1]

harsh vocals should be considered another instrument like any other. they shouldn't be lumped in with "traditional" vocal styles because that's not what they are. It's an aquired taste and takes some time to understand it.

[@leomahmet7555]

It really is a unique instrument and not just a technique, especially since mostly you build up your throat and mouth into the shape for the harsh vocals and not just shape out what is already there from birth like you would do when learning clean vocals. It's very exciting as an amateur singer to see a whole serious genre of vocals starting to emerge from what was once just a lil flavour in rock music.

[@weebsarecringe2102]

The unique technique is what sets it appart tho. While doing clean vocals you also build up your throat and mouth into shapes to hit different notes.@@leomahmet7555

[@Tr0llmannen]

@@leomahmet7555 Considering that babies can scream for hours without break, I strongly suspect that they don't use their vocal cords because those would be fried after 5min... I would therefore rather argue that we forget "harsh vocals" as soon as we get old enough to speak more than we scream; so maybe by the age of 2 (?). Then, if we want to again learn that technique later in life, it costs us years.

[@leomahmet7555]

@@Tr0llmannen maybe, I'm not that convinced cry screaming and guttural or fry screams are thr smae muscles at all, animal vocalisations seem to use those muscle groups and tendons more than our natural "harsh" vocals. But then again I am only an amateur enthusiast in vocal techniques plus there don't seem to be a lot or if any seriously concise research paper on these new tecniques, not even Fry screams have been fully defined or standardized even tho its the one techniques that has been used the longest(in modern cultures, throat singing is older of course).

[@rexlupis]

@@Tr0llmannen As someone who was a vocalist for a couple of extreme metal bands, I can confirm raw screaming/crying is nothing like the technique used for death metal growls or black metal screeches. The high, black metal screams are closer to it than the death metal growls, but they are still totally different techniques. Further, children can go hoarse if they cry excessively. My sister, when she was first born, cried so much she earned the nickname "Baby Wah Wah" from my father; she'd cry day and night, sometimes until she became hoarse.

[@MOAllDa]

Will Ramos is a very talented vocalist

[@Jeff_Savior]

very hard working vocalist

[@TheBlaskar]

It’s an acquired taste, like anything else. Nobody likes the taste of beer or coffee at first, but after a while those are things you know you’re in the mood for. Now, I’m always in the mood for metal

[@jaakkomaaniemi2136]

The human ear gets used to anything. It's just a matter of hours spent listening to it. Once it's not alien and constantly abrasive any longer, you get to focus on the intricacies of it and quite possibly find things you like. I didn't use to like blastbeats and harsh vocals much, but now I don't even blink.

[@rahbeat9785]

i beg to differ, it just sound bad it's s till abrasive to me.... and i listen to the heaviest sub genres out there this is just straight boring deathcore

[@jingo1410]

@@rahbeat9785 we got a contrarian over here

[@brandonbailey3511]

​@@rahbeat9785 lol keep listening to your grindcore and black metal. "Heavy" lmao😂😂😂

[@killerpaja03]

@@brandonbailey3511 whats wrong with black metal?

[@brandonbailey3511]

@@killerpaja03 absolutely nothing, I listen to all kinds of music, and recognize that heaviness comes in different shapes and sizes.

[@BigBadBalrog]

I really adore how Judson doesn't just let it all wash over him and go numb to it. The incredible intensity hurts him, but he tries his best to take it all in and fully experience it.

[@kurotoruk]

That. Has got to be the chillest looking reaction to the, uh, goblin schnorts towards the end, that I have ever seen.

[@shiahalud]

When I first hear bands like Lorna shore I always consider the vocals as just another instrument. I pay attention to how the sounds fit the music and what those sounds are conveying emotionally. After a few listens I start trying to hear the lyrics.

[@Besogon11]

Not bands like Lorna Shore, lets just say in extreme metal in general , vocals are considered as just another instrument.

[@shiahalud]

@@Besogon11 this is true but the more extreme the vocals I tend to apply that thinking more on the initial few times listening to it.

[@ndshreddermn]

What have you done to Judson 😂 protect this man at all costs. That was hilarious to watch.

[@missingaustralia]

I had to deal with abuse as a teen and for me, the harshness of the sound was an amazing outlet for the rage and frustration I felt. The FEELING of the song came first, then I would go and read the lyrics.

[@hdervish2497]

Same here. Sometimes I need my music to be heavier than the noise in my head and the rage and hurt in my heart

[@salmanman3771]

anti metal will use these type of comments to attack metal rebilion core against every thing tyrant and the main big idea of this type of music which has no limit and break all the red lines of religions and society and politics authorities , its just pain in the ass for them

[@Alexandria87]

Same here man! Even at 37, bands like this are therapeutic for the stressors in my life currently.

[@ShounenN]

At times like these, lyrics would be a godsend haha -It usually helps me digest harsh vocals much easier when I can understand the words being said and the meaning behind all that noise. I'm not a fan of harsh vocals, but I do have great respect for singers with such ability. To go from a human to a goblin bear pig creature is beyond impressive haha

[@Greatmeasures]

It’s very difficult to watch a video, listen to the music, and read the lyrics simultaneously in a GENUINE “first listen” of a song. We tried it a couple of times before and we realized we can’t please everyone. People in the comments are either upset because he’s not watching the video enough or not reading the lyrics enough. 😂 On certain occasions, I will play the lyric video and turn the laptop screen towards him. That’s been the best case scenario so far. The Lamb of God “Vigil” video is a good example of that. He was able to follow along with the lyrics and focus enough on the music that he was able to play the intro on the piano. Maybe we can get another screen soon and have the lyrics set up right next to what he’s watching. We’re only 6 months into this journey. I feel like we’re still finding our footing in certain aspects of the channel.

[@mlb-yt]

You could just google it while listening and watching ya know....??

[@ShounenN]

@@Greatmeasures no no, I didn't mean that you should add the lyrics. I was just saying that for me personally when I am experiencing these songs I like to read them. So I thought maybe Judson would digest it better as well. Dw, no criticism. Loving these videos!

[@ShounenN]

@@mlb-yt ik the lyrics, you didn't get what I was saying, dw

[@Greatmeasures]

@@ShounenN I’m sorry, I hate how the context is lost sometimes in text. I completely understood what you were saying and didn’t take it in a negative or critical way at all. You’ve been with us for a while and I appreciate you for it. My response was more for others that needed an understanding of why we do it the way we do.

[@bumblefluff79]

Remember to treat your Judsons with care, and give them a warm safe place to relax after traumatic experiences.

[@yeetyeet486]

Gojira is a band that actually does what Judson described about the way you sing certain words perfectly, it obviously wouldent be as obvious as Adele but songs like L´Enfant Sauvage, Where Dragons Dwell, The Way of all Flesh and the biggest example (imo) All the Tears do this a lot

[@Gwimblyy]

Love how you brought up TBDM, absolutely love them. RIP Trevor you’re loved by so many 🖤

[@awesomehate9466]

I absolutely love the high at 4:24 for some reason, it's so... clean

[@brendangross6052]

You need to show him Septic Flesh! Their guitarist and main song writer went to school and studied music composition. They have a lot of symphonic elements to their music. Thee are some videos out there where they did a concert with a full orchestra.

[@bounceow592]

It's lovely to see someone learn the beauty of a breakdown.

[@calsweet9797]

Lorna Shore = awesomeness

[@dtltmtgt]

😂 "That's what you took from all of that?!?" That was funny. Honestly I just laugh when I listen to Lorna Shore and similar bands. I am in awe of what they are doing, but that's about the extent of it. Its exclusively headphone listening however. It never fails to empty a room if I play otherwise!

[@Chulpichochos]

This was an instant click. Cant wait for Judsons reaction to this lol

[@hdervish2497]

I've always been drawn to things deemed ugly or scary by others. I love the juxtaposition of thunderous symphonic metal music and the absolute hell mouth that lives in Will Ramos' chest

[@Handsofakiller19]

I can't understand most Operas lyrically, but I definitely understand how the story flows without understanding the words. The music and the singing met to tell a story you could basically understand without knowing the words. Same kinda idea in my opinion.

[@jher615]

I really love every reaction you make, keep going! Greetings from Peru 🙌

[@alexjohnson8184]

I always look forward to new videos from you guys! Waking up to see this a reaction on this one take video, I never clicked on a video so fast ever lol Ya'll keep it up, loving these videos

[@johnfenton6134]

I love judsons take on this, even though its not his jam, he is open to the art behind the music. Think he needs to listen to the opus that is pain remains, part 1 through to 3, next. Keep up the vids guys. Awesome content. 👌

[@tiffanykrasinski622]

I saw this live at night and it was life changing. I was in a trance the entire time.

[@paulortner7843]

I would love to see Judson´s reaction to something from Vildhjarta. Probably won´t like it, but it would be very interesting to me!

[@GargantuanMonkeyFist]

Hoping they do a Vildhjarta song too

[@namnam5625]

Yes!

[@ArborusVitae]

Something like den helige anden or The Lone Deranger would be sick.

[@paulortner7843]

@@ArborusVitae den helige anden would be absolutely awesome!

[@Vaughanroof33]

You have to show him Will’s cover of Sleep Token..I think that would show him his even more impressive range

[@jbow2114]

In the album version of this song his vocals are pushed way back, the mix is definitely inverted in this particular version so that his live vocals stand out

[@rask4p]

I totally get Richard's point, I listened to a ton of music from languages I don't understand and it's amazing to hear the tambre of the voice without getting stuck into the words. Eventually I want to know what the lyrics are, but I listened to certain albums while reading and the voice became the protagonist of my story and it was wonderful.

[@Fred-rh9ds]

You should show Judson the pain remains trilogy with discussion after each part. Now that is a piece of art, and a lot of what will says (especially in part 1) is discernable

[@lindygrrl658]

Masterful❤

[@Bmm1620]

I didn’t always like harsh vocals at first, but then when I got into the mindset that the vocalist is another instrument, it changed my perspective

[@The_KlaVra]

You should definetely show him some Archspire and watch his brain melt at the sheer speed.

[@sybow]

Finally, someone else notices Archspire. They are so underrated.

[@manuelschnee177]

Golden mouth of ruin has a nice groovy touch

[@DingusMcBrungus]

He should show him Human Murmuration, there's a good guitar playthrough video of it and I think as a pianist he'd appreciate the augmented-to-major harmony motif throughout it

[@ThaBeatConductor]

You really gotta show him Wintersun. If he wants big epic symphonies and sounds, it doesn't really get bigger or epic-er than Wintersun. Sons of Winter and Stars or Time will do nicely, the live rehearsals at sonic pump studios, of course. Also, on the point about not being able to understand harsh vocals on first listen, i think this has less to due with them being harsh and more to due with how different vocal cadence is in music compared to normal speech. The distorting still plays a role, but I think cadence plays a bigger one. Also also, that AB, CD, comment was gold Judson. Absolute gold. Last also, I promise, the purpose of any instrument is to convey emotion, vocals are just another way of doing this. The words are irrelevant.

[@dimitriid]

I like Time a little better but it's pretty well understood that the song just cannot be shown on youtube without a ton of copyright issues anyway.

[@MatusDust]

Yeah the Sons of Winter and Stars rehearsals (+the intro) would be great for someone just getting into metal.

[@Jairon_Junior]

YES, I did recommend for it too, would be a great reaction, also I'm trying to see some reactions of "Wintersun - Loneliness" because I do think is an awesome song, lots of feels into it and also great vocal performance

[@ThaBeatConductor]

@@Jairon_Junior Ive got a reactor thats gonna do the whole forest seasons next month. Interested?

[@Jairon_Junior]

@@ThaBeatConductor for sure, send me and I'll take a look, I've been waiting for the ones I've currently watch to take a look to loneliness but no look so far, the charismatic voice principally I think would have a good reaction xD

[@олег-е9н9т]

super brutal vocal amazing cool 👍👍🤘🤘

[@Latanieredesgeeks]

"I feel myself tensing up and loosing my breath" Yep you have to let yourself loose don't tense and let the emotions flows. if you tense that means you are keeping bad feelings inside. let them out and you'll be able to appreciate that type of music.

[@_jm0n3y8oo_]

I love the uncomfortable shift and crossing of the legs lol

[@djinnera]

Let him listen and see the video when will Ramos from lorna shore really sings sleep token chokehold

[@hektor032]

Thanks to Judson for his patience and open mindness

[@stevenzwiesler5104]

I was never really a fan of harsh vocals in the beginning, but I was always a fan of the high energy that came with metal and I loved the double kick pedals. My love of how high energy mixed with the heaviness of the instruments was enough for me to look past the vocals at first. As time went on, I just slowly started developing a love for the vocals as well. I started off listening to Disturbed and Five Finger Death Punch and now I listen to bands like Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail. Harsh vocals are a lot like beer, it's an acquired taste.

[@Blackhorselove1]

New subscriber acquired! Love this, and Judson’s reactions are top notch! Keep it up!

[@sluggdiddyyddidgguls]

I am sure others have mentioned, the album version the vocals sit further back in the mix that this video

[@sauliruottu5871]

Lol, Judson really enjoying the high shrieks. :D

[@dedballoons]

Judson is so wonderful

[@zerraticz]

It took dude in the grey jacket almost all the way to the guitar solo to stop white-knuckling his knee 😂

[@FikriAndrianto-sp8vo]

I think when he watch will ramos cover sleep token it's easy to understand lol 😂

[@XeLYoutube]

its a good mix of black death gore symphonic calm bit, fast bit, heavy bit.. satisfying variations

[@closinginonclosure]

22:23 He goes into this statement about how it's the way they sign a particular word that gets you, and you essentially to be able to audibly understand every word to really feel something. I personally find that way of viewing it to be a bit closed minded, and almost like he's been musically conditioned. Using his logic, the only thing in music he can truly connect to are lyrics sang in English that he can clearly understand. No instruments could make him really connect or feel something, and no music in any language he doesn't understand. I find that a bit silly. Guitar playing can almost be like singing without words. It can make you feel something. I can enjoy songs in languages I don't understand. So I have to disagree that understanding all of the words on the first listen is necessary. It's just a flavor of music. Let's call it chocolate. Sometimes you want strawberry or vanilla, and other times you want chocolate. You can find different things you enjoy about them all individually, and it can change depending on the mood you're in. Having different available flavors is a good thing.

[@alecjasper]

"To keep the heaviness level, next up is cattle decapitation with 'your disposal'."

[@danlikesthings8247]

You should listen to Will Ramos' covers on his channel with his clean vocals just for a nice juxtaposition of his range. I recommend his Sleep Token cover. EDIT: Judson mentioned Sleep Token! Gotta watch the cover now! Lol😂

[@mykodemgrzybodem]

That A/B to CD thing is a good touch tho, never thought of it

[@чорныйзверь]

супер мощный вокал песня супер 🤘🤘

[@billybobthornton9668]

First video I've seen of you guys, led here by my love of Will's vocals, and I've gotta say I love your chemistry together! 'That's what you got from that!" Had me rolling 😂 I find it really interesting that Judson seems to interpret the appeal of or engagement with these vocals as being the aesthetic or kinda surface layer of 'does this sound good or appealing as a sound?', with that being separated from the meaning of what the vocalist is saying. I think there's definitely a lot of people who would share that opinion and I can certainly understand why; however, as someone who's been listening to this stuff for the last 15ish years, and practicing the vocals for around 10, I've always found that the extreme vocals heighten the emotion of the song and actually enhance the meaning in a way that's different (and imo better 😝) than clean vocals. I was always initially drawn to bands with clean and harsh vocals, so the contrast between the two really elevated the despair, rage, or defiance that the harsh vocalist's lyrics would often be dealing with. Nowadays, because I can usually understand harsh vocals on the first listen, I can find that same juxtaposition between the different techniques, with fry screams generally being clearer, and false chord screams usually being a little more like pure noise/what a random person would hear or picture as being screamed vocals. All that is to say that I think the layperson's experience would be to have a first listen where it's literally just noise and leave their engagement at that. Imo, the best way to then progress and acclimatise to the song/vocals would be to then read the lyrics along to understand the vocals, then finally experience the emotionality and musicality together with that general grasp of what the song is actually about, and in doing so find those specific lines or phrases that really resonate emotionally or sonically. Over time this becomes a quicker process because your brain has acclimatised to these vocal techniques and allows you to engage with each layer of them simultaneously, and I think that's where the appeal lies for me. Essentially, I think harsh vocals have a really high barrier to entry because it takes a decent investment of time to understand them and to stop yourself from just hearing a loud angry sounding person yelling at you 😂 But, I think the rewards from that can be huge because you're effectively broadening the range of emotion you can convey with your voice. If falsetto is perhaps a softer emotional range, then screams are the natural Yang to that Ying, occupying the opposite end of the emotional spectrum in a way that belted singing can't quite access. Anyway, I could ramble about screaming for years, but I just wanted to engage with the video (because we all know longer form content can struggle with engagement) and to show some love for the most in depth discussion I've seen in a reaction to this song in particular, and harsh vocals more generally! Truly great work fellas, you've earned a new sub ❤️

[@Greatmeasures]

Thanks for the kind words and great insight! I agree that it is essentially an “acquired taste”. I had a problem with harsh vocals in the very beginning of my metal journey. It seems it was the same way for most people here that have left comments. Just to give a little clarity to our process… When we sit down to record a video, he has no idea what we’re about to do. I’m careful with how much information I divulge until we turn the camera on. My intentions are to keep him from forming a preconceived idea of what he’s about to hear. I give him a little bit of background at the beginning of the video and that’s all. Obviously with bands that we’ve done multiple times on the channel, (Metallica, Slayer, Opeth, etc…) he has a bit of an opinion already formed. This was the 2nd Lorna Shore song we did, but he had never actually seen Will perform it. All that to say, thanks for stopping by and we hope you stick around. We will always be genuine and authentic as that has been the goal from day one.

[@billybobthornton9668]

@Greatmeasures1 Yo, appreciate the comment bro ❤️ 100% an acquired taste and,I think because of it often taking time to acquire that taste, it's one that we grow attached to! I love the fact that he's giving a truly authentic reaction, particularly because I think that lends itself into actually having something substantive to talk about - unlike some reaction channels who just Google the song for some factoids and then say they love everything 😂 Love the video, and I appreciate you taking the time to reply! Looking forward to watching the other vids! 👌

[@IronMetal]

I agree with Jenson Button in this band

[@jdflyers33]

You should show him some of wills covers of sleep tokens stuff so he can hear wills cleans too

[@GodBeforeMoney]

Like to see him react to Will Ramos cover Sleep Token

[@agostonersek5455]

I love that how concerned he looks through all of this XD

[@MrTeomorell]

Very very interesting conversation at the end. This is like philosophical question about what is art, basically.

[@5LEEP.]

he really SHOULD read the lyrics

[@bemtlxd]

Judson should listen to will's cover of chokechold by sleep token if he wants to hear him actually sing.

[@coyC345]

Amazing! Cattle Decapitation next plz

[@heavensplitter]

It's been a while since I've watched my first Great Measures video, and I still haven't seen you guys measuring anything

[@lostlothbrok7156]

Dude was so stressed out and sweating 😂😂😂

[@ckokomo808]

Thanks for th video. The constructive criticism is why I watch y’all’s videos. Curios on thoughts on Wilderun. They’re a prog death with lots of orchestra. Their most recent release has lots is subtleties in the orchestration. I think y’all would enjoy. Thanks for the videos!

[@whoshotya117]

What Judson explained is my favorite thing about metal, I dont know most of the lyrics of what I listen to either, I mainly just listen to guitars and drums and the vocals are basically just another rhythmic instrument that adds intensity and another feeling to the sound making it sound dark and brutal.

[@ricardomeertens9165]

will ramos actually said sleep token is his favourite band and he has a few covers af them wich are amazing and you hear his clean voice. must watch for sure. i like mister pianists vibe !

[@Boku_Wa_Mukanjyo]

Loved the creep intro 🔥

[@CasualViewer-t4f]

I’ll start off by saying I appreciate many genres of music and I feel each offers something different for me. Metal (mostly death, black, and metal core sub-genres) speaks to a primal side of myself that I don’t really tap into. It’s almost therapeutic being in an “aggressive” environment that helps keep the peace in other aspects of my personality and life. I appreciate the balance both light and dark energies can bring.

[@TheGutturalist]

I sing for Condemned! Thanks for the support! I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with that hoodie before! Sick!

[@Greatmeasures]

Hell yes! Been a fan for a few years now. Steve created our logo. 🤘

[@STiROCKET06]

Whenever Judson speaks about any type of extreme metal all I can hear is, "Get of my lawn!" lol

[@sat6667]

Amazing the intro "Creep"

[@seantimmons5900]

I am completely with you. I often listen to the music of the song a few times, then get lyrics and that either makes or breaks the song for me.

[@randoprior4130]

24:00 I think what isn't being considered here is that communication isn't limited to actual words. We understand that "ouch" isn't simply a word, it's an exclamation of pain. For me personally, metal is beautiful because even without saying a word one can convey a story. Just like in classical music or jazz, ideas can be expressed and emotions can be highlighted through music without words. Most metal I enjoy is extremely expressive even if you don't understand the words. I can enjoy Japanese metal bands or Scandinavian bands just as much. Good music to me is music that can speak without using words. You don't need to understand the word ouch, you need to understand the pain behind it. Metal can communicate and express ideas in a way I haven't found anywhere else. I can listen to sad songs which tell sad stories. I can listen to songs that have aggressive lyrics that tell stories of pain. But metal can communicate those complexities without saying a word. I didn't enjoy death metal much as a beginner simply because it felt unfocused. I wanted music that was directed at something and could channel an emotion stronger than words, not just that random blind thrashing. But as I started to enjoy harsh vocals more I found joy in death metal because it feels more like an expression of skill fueled by blind fury. It feels more artistic to me because it is amorphous and indirect, while requiring a massive amount of skill. I think of death metal more as an abstract art. The lyrics even usually tend to be more abstract and abrasive. Almost shocking for the sake of shock rather than being driven by emotion. I still much prefer listening to directed anger, sadness, apathy, hopelessness or whatever negative emotion most genres don't explore or can't communicate without the crutch of language. I started listening to metal because it felt cathartic to hear someone else scream when I couldn't. It gave a voice to emotions so complex I couldn't word them. Listening to someone thrash out in rage against the world helped me to focus my own rage. It allowed me to channel my own negative emotions and express them outwardly when I had no other outlet. It made me feel less alone, or like the musicians could understand what I felt even if I couldn't. The lyricism in metal doesn't really matter much if the intent of the words can be communicated without it.

[@nightshade7240]

Maybe because I've been listening to this kind of music for so long but I can understand what he is singing. Though the lyrics are linguistically more complex than a lot of music because you are conveying emotion and feeling as much as you conveying the lyrics themselves.

[@tkzsfen]

Just like listening to classical music, harsh vocals require prior experience to appreciate them. I started as a basic metal lover and gradually started going into the deeper end. The older I got, the more curious I was to see what I've missed.

[@Elriuhilu]

That piano version of Creep at the start was amazing.

[@martinmendoza8303]

Dude 100% agree with everything you said about trevor!

[@Maybeabandaid9]

It looked like Judson was getting more concerned for Will as the video went along. Could show him Austin(the drummer) live performance of "Into the Earth" (or one of the other ones) from the Meinl cymbal company's youtube channel.

[@WallaceFREEEDOOOM]

Keith Buckley of Every Time I Die to me is like Trevor is to you i think, his lyrics are just so beautiful to me, even when they arent at the same time. Speaking of, would love it if you did their song "post boredom" or "thing with feathers"

[@blastfiend7478]

It's easier growing up into metal, you slowly grow accustom listening to lighter genres as a kid and slowly introducing yourself to heavier music over time, friend influence/being introduced to new stuff, seeing shows etc.

[@UndeadFleshgod]

Would be nice to hear his opinion on piano covers of metal songs! Two that come to mind are Lucid Collective Somnambulation by Archspire and Le Serment de Tsion by First Fragment, both on YT, super nice single take playthroughs. Would be interesting to hear what he thinks of extreme metal songwriting when converted into a format he's familiar with

[@youniverse8560]

little does he know hes getting possessed midway through the track!

[@imvengeance666]

The majority of popular music is vocal based. Metal on the otherhand, really levels out the playing field where instruments are just as important as vocals, sometimes more so. Like everyone else is saying, I listen to metal for the instrumentation. I hardly know any metal lyrics from any bands I listen to. But I definitely appreciate their contribution to the overall song/feeling. Imagine what this song would be like with just clean Bon Jovi singing hahaha.

[@robertcr]

⛔️⚠️There's a Tuvan band called Hunn Hurr Tu you should check a song named Orphant's Lament the live version and evaluate if Judson should hear it because I really love to see you two measuring it 👍🤟

[@jamielynnpowers]

The first time I heard the studio recording, it was instantly “take my money”. The more I listened to Lorna Shore and saw more of Will’s personality especially, they became my favorite band ever, and I’m old for their average demographic. I always loved heavy music, but as my ears adjusted, I had to listen to heavier and heavier until I got my fix. I heard “To The Hellfire” and I was like, “Finally! My unicorn!” If being able to hear the lyrics is important to him, I’d suggest checking out some of Will’s clean covers.

[@Crcmvnt]

You two are great.

[@edmundcooley3096]

RIP Trevor, remember to check in on your friends everyone

[@TheBunnyb0y]

you guys are fun

[@NutOnYoutube]

Theres that Lorna Shore song where they are in the woods near a creek, that would be a great example to show just instrumentals

[@Guitars77OA6]

I think a great song would be Swing The Axe by Fit For An Autopsy, it's a pretty basic track, Joe does his vocals in a way that you can actually understand every lyric said. Now, with Lorna Shore I understand every lyric once I got to figuring out how the sounds Will is making with his vocals works I can catch 90% of their lyrics. Definitely a thing for more extreme types of metal it's kind of a thing some fans like me look forward to opening the booklet and reading through them. Enjoyable and understandable reaction, I hope y'all make more these are great!

[@sickboy481]

Piano interpretation of Creep - nice

[@Matjo7588dk]

A pianist ( Who most likely understands and plays classic music ) Should appreciate metal. Since it is in many ways close. Its technical, layered. Its about mastering the instrument, and getting everything out of it. Multiple melodies at once. And, often great and big melodies, and meaningful lyrics telling stories.

[@tiaraguy7705]

I think an amazing idea for a Judson reaction would be him watching the drummer of Lorna Shore do a playthrough. Meinl Cymbals has three or four and one of them is without the screaming so he could get a better picture of the band aside from Will.

[@Spitx]

I'm feel like I'm pretty much in tune with Judson... While I've heard a ton of heavy stuff I do like some "balance" and came down some steps from more extreme exemples in the last couple years... I do recognize the awesomeness in being able to sing with such distortion without damaging cords and with such control and I would love to be able to do such an incredible thing =)

[@oOneatherwordOo]

in terms of lyrics and meaning of it. you should check out prison. johnny crowder is also really engaged in mental health support. the lyrics deal with depression, mental illnes and such. its such a blast listening to them. its just so relatable. the song "rape me" just makes me so insanly mad, its just so on point man.

[@flightgravity7483]

Now this is what I like. This is constructive criticism, which is something that is lost on a lot of people lately. Judson can still see the art in it, he just doesn’t find it appealing and he’s able to explain why. I’m curious though, how does he feel about music in a language he doesn’t understand? Or what about scatting?

[@calcifer9088]

I understand where Judson is coming from when he says he feels something is lost in the delivery of the vocals, but vocals are so much more than just a vehicle for the written word, he said it himself in the way that a vocalist will deliver a line and give it feeling, these harsh vocals have that power behind them, they evoke emotion from the listener wether you can understand the written word or not, Heilung is another great example, the song Anoana is made up largely of a dead language found on ancient coins, as far as the written word goes there is no connection the listener can make in understanding the meaning but Maria's delivery of that vocal is spellbinding.

[@kennykelley5107]

I think Will Ramos is so talented. Those ranges an gutteral lows were clear an crisp. He is upthere with Corey Taylor with the vocal control. 👍👍💯🔥

[@musicformadmen]

Corey Taylor's really good but compared to Ramos it's not even close Will Ramos is so much better