Losing Is Fun.

I made a video about why losing is fun/isn't fun in video games. Very unorganized and I ramble quite a bit. Zero credibility because I'm just a guy and I'm just saying what I'm thinking but making it sound okay.
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and also a bunch of game trailers from a bunch of gaming journalism channels
Games shown:
Risk of Rain 2
Slay the Spire
Lethal Company
Valorant
Marvel's Spiderman 2
Trails in the Sky SC
Stardew Valley
Elden Ring
Bloodborne
Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3
League of Legends
Final Fantasy XVI
Tomodachi Life

[@anthonyrodriguez9232]

This is the kinda of mindset that is healthy. Its also why I play a lot of fighting games because when something goes wrong it's my fault and it protects me from mentally booming knowing that I was the reason I lost.

[@kuramaruki]

For me, im just go crazy when i realise that's all of losses is totally my fault😂

[@goblator4186]

Except when you play them online with bad servers lmao

[@Gabriel_F4924]

OMG don't let me get started on fighting games. My real life friends don't play with me because I beat the shit out of them WITHOUT trying. I have to pretend i'm playing bad so they have a chance. It's crazy how they think they're so good after beating me. I swear playing league of Legends evolved my freaking mind while everyone else still chases the adrenaline and feeling of superiority for beating a weak ass person. I don't give a shit anymore but maybe I'm just different and only find meaning in chasing harder and harder things. Easy things don't satisfy me. People go as far as smurfing in league of getting a low rank player in your team in COD just so you can find more newbs to squash and make them want to uninstall and also get as many nukes as possible by beating said newbs. That is not even competition it's easy, relatively at least. Easy for their skill level. Why? Why is the overwhelming majority like this? This translates to your behaviour in jobs.

[@SomeCowguy]

​@@Gabriel_F4924you sound like you have serious mental issues

[@joaoborgesrodriguesalves6554]

@@kuramaruki i go crazy both when i realise its my fault that i keep losing and when i realise it isnt

[@usernametaken4023]

This video is the embodiment of "One must imagine Sisyphus happy"

[@Reinoiro]

The indomitable gamer spirit

[@TheBreadbear]

Ultrakill moment

[@yourlocaldumpsterfire8188]

"Competitive" nah that's hell with extra steps

[@terrified057t4]

Yeah, I feel like its typically a misconstrued word. Yeah, the game rules are stricter than "casual", but it's not really anything real to compete on. "Oh no, my internet points went down with this loss!" but I learned a few things and generally had fun, so who cares?

[@odukomaster5473]

You appeared out of nowhere, are a complete random, and simultaneously have a shit and amazing taste in video games. It's like your channel was made for me.

[@zombieboss5178]

wait what in your opinion were shit games? just wondering (also why do you think they sucked)

[@odukomaster5473]

@@zombieboss5178 league of legends is a shit game made by an out-of-touch dev team with a somehow shittier playerbase. I have 4k hours in League of Legends.

[@gameringdudeguy1126]

​@@odukomaster5473oddly relatable

[@justaguy9681]

@@odukomaster5473 A lot of the dev team is undeniably out of touch but calling League a bad game is dumb, probably the best competitive game out there, and if it's not, it's definetly not out of the top 3

[@zeiccia]

​@@justaguy9681 no, it really is pretty bad, valorant also is

[@Westile]

As you've said, calmly responding is one of the best tools you have. You'd be surprised how often I diffuse a Rager by just typing a reasonable statement and ending it with a period. Yes the period makes a difference.

[@DOG_EATER_1887]

oh so you're that guy i sincerely apologize to you and your folk I am utterly vicious when I fuck up too many times

[@keyman245]

The period makes me MORE mad

[@dram3711]

​@@keyman245 grrr! This guy, can you believe it? I think he thinks he's smarts!

[@Mantosasto]

@@keyman245 .

[@peavuh]

@@dram3711 how COULD he!

[@gittattle]

losing is fun until its been 13 matches and you lost half your rank and your controller is now one with the heavens

[@widdrshinswonders]

...maybe don't break your controllers. Tech waste is real

[@xyaless]

Always remember that the chance of a troll being in the enemy team is statistically higher than in yours, since you can actually decide if 1 player in your team (yourself) trolls. :) I recommend to always play with a friend (that isn't whiny/toxic), because it makes it a little bit more bearable when you lose. (That also means you indirectly have control over 2 people trolling in the game, yourself and them.) "Competitive" games are a blight to ones mental health, its preferable to just quit them outright and to play games that are actually good/fun instead of ones with an artificial skill ceiling (you can only do so much) and obscure matchmaking balancing system (usually doesn't scales rank points gains/losses dynamically based on how "difficult"/skewed the game was).

[@Pompadourius]

This is also why I don't play ranked until I'm either really good, or just not at all. So many people stress about getting demoted in fighting games or something, and then quit because they went on a losing streak and went down an entire rank or two. Just play for the sake of improvement itself, at that point.

[@widdrshinswonders]

@@Pompadourius seriously. I truly question if something is even competitive unless one has experienced a loss in it. I find that loss drives me further - kind of a necessary part of the cycle for games like Hunt: Showdown, Tarkov, and most roguelikes

[@veto_5762]

that's why I avoid comp games, they make losing actively feel penalizing in an environment where most of the time you can't 100% affect the outcome

[@skinnytimmy1]

Souls games have mastered the art of consistent feedback, which is the most important thing for gaining competence. In "competitive" multiplayer games, real people can't punish every single mistake you make, so its harder to identify what you do right / wrong. Neither winning nor losing is inherently fun, but feeling your improvement is.

[@jooot_6850]

It’s hard to feel consistent improvements against an inconsistent competitor, too. Sometimes your particular style of play works very well against someone, so you feel as if you’re improving, but then it may also fair poorly against another’s. With a boss battle you can consistently see how well you are learning it’s patterns

[@neuropath6465]

Why the quotes around competitive?

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

No fucking way. Elden Ring is Garbage at giving you feedback for why you died. Sekiro is pretty good though. And I'm right cause I did lvl 1 club only no ash of war runs.

[@skinnytimmy1]

@poutineausyropderable7108 I agree, sekiro is much better at teaching the player compared to elden ring. Elden ring bosses do a 10 hit combo, then jump to the other end of the arena before you can hit them back.

[@austin0207]

You mean negative feedback

[@CannonBallBluey]

this guy is made for video essays like these, smooth transitioning between points and always keeps you entertained. 19 minutes never went by faster.

[@Boricosa]

KZbin has been recommending me smaller creators and holy shit I am glad it did, this vid is amazing

[@dulguunjargal1199]

KZbin really has Changed and is now Support Smaller Creators every now and then and I am 100 in for it. Found like 3-6 Small Channels I absolutely Love after the Algorithm Changes

[@Rpground]

I like it when games are kicking my ass. If I am not constantly challenged I lose interest quickly in a game and end up dropping it...kinda sucks but that's me, it;s why I have so many unfinished games. I also like how this video went from "Losing is Fun' to "League is shit" real quick...and I couldn't agree more.

[@skelint]

this is a topic i've thought a lot about after taking a complete break from competitive FPS games almost two years ago now (and feeling much better for it) from what i see, so, SO many games these days are made with the sole goal of rewarding the winners and punishing the losers which, on paper, seems like a perfectly reasonable design philosophy. in reality it greatly dissuades the underdogs from sticking with the game and having fun, because the clearly imbalanced reward distribution makes winning an objectively better thing to do than losing; the player is no longer trying to win for themselves, they are trying to win for a battle pass or a challenge or worse, to have fun in the first place. this imbalance also makes snowballing very common, people with more content in a game are more likely to stick with it, meaning the winners keep winning and the losers keep losing (this ties into the greater skill-based matchmaking issue that plagues competitive games). in reality, neither winning nor losing are inherently good or bad outcomes, they have been artificially assigned a place on dopamine scale to keep people coming back.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I think a big problem these days is actually putting AI in ranked matches, but giving them player names so nobody can tell they're against AI. This gives people the victory hit, without requiring them to improve at all. It locks people into a mindset that they're making the right moves when they aren't, and traps them in a system that has to hand them wins.

[@soni3608]

You should try out Foxhole, it's one of the few games I've played that makes comebacks amazing to witness and be a part of.

[@RiteOfSolaris]

I think this video goes hand in hand with "if you call out everything as unfair in a game, and don't take things as your fault, then you will not grow on flaws you refuse to even identify."

[@salmongod9115]

Glad you touched on it in the end. There are two ways that losing can be fun. Everyone focuses on the one way where you get a sense of accomplishment from struggling to conquer something difficult. That's valid. It's not often recognized that losing can be fun when there's a good story to it. When it's funny, spectacular, or otherwise memorable. There aren't enough games that capitalize on this. This is why I love Dwarf Fortress, and why it is the game that popularized the saying "Losing is Fun". When your people retreat into the fortress to weather a siege, but the front door doesn't close because a dead butterfly was blocking it. When your king's cat dies, so they throw a fit and punch someone, they punch back, then everyone dogpiles them for committing treason, and the entire settlement destroys itself in a riot. You will chuckle every time you're reminded of those moments for the rest of your life, even if they marked the end of 200 hours of playtime. It's gold. And yeah, Lethal Company is great at producing those, too. We need more games that do this.

[@nautilus1642]

I recently came back to the pantheon of hallownest in hollow knight and did one run every day. After about two weeks I had gotten so much better and almost didn’t want to win. But the feeling of finally winning was so much better after a series of “happy losses”.

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

what makes a lot of these games worse is "gotcha" difficulty. When a game kills you for not having knowledge you'd have no real reason of having. It dramatically hurts games replay value aswell. A lot of the time with rougelikes you can with zero luck beat a run, the issue is if i have to do another isaac no items run i may actually rip my hair out because of how god awfully boring it is. So you're faced with the option of 1) get a good run 2) don't enjoy the game

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

That depends. People like Kaizo Mario runs despite the "gotchas", and the Souls games are also essentially designed like that. Decent roguelikes like Binding of Isaac also throw you in pretty blind, but with enough knowledge you start finding opportunities all over the place, after you know what risks are worth taking.

[@purplex4065]

this fella would be AMAZING in fighting games

[@MorbyLol]

as a fighting game player i love losing, its the best way to learn what im doing wrong. easily one of the best things i learned from playing fighting games is that you will lose at least half of your games and that you need to lose to learn

[@SadToffee]

Losing is fun so long as there is something to learn.

[@danieladamczyk4024]

For tactical games this mindset is a life mantra.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Losing is fun when you learn something, or when you are aware that chance has a say in the outcome. It's not fun when something is on the line (rank, permanent loss of items, etc.) where you don't know what you could have done differently.

[@TheSinlessAssassin]

I would say it's not fun in that context if it means that much to you. But otherwise you can still remain a detached attitude toward rank on the line matches. Easier said than done though of course.

[@luigiymario2xd]

You definitely remind me with this how it's normal and fun sometimes to play without cheats, even if I die I can just respawn lol

[@roadkilledpigeon]

cheaters in competitive games should just quit, absolute degens.

[@novideoscorp]

theres a game where the community writes losing as "fun". like having your dwarves killing eachother because lack of hats made them too angry and thus losing a fort is -... fun... and it really is, the way these dwarves became angry, the way they fought, maybe it was a 4 year old choking a war veteran to death type of deal. the game is called dwarf fortress

[@MemeLad147]

I'm glad this video randomly popped into my recommendations after I was giving Lethal Company a try solo, after not feeling motivated for a more serious pvp-game I was playing with my friends. Some of them asked me why I was playing alone and said that I should play with friends to make it easier, and it was originally to see how well it runs on my laptop, but I liked the intensity and challenge of seeing if I could possibly meet quota more than once, then understanding what I did wrong and being able to jump back in again. I know I could make it easier with other people, but I like seeing myself possibly making it further. I'm realizing this might not be a good example of the original lesson this video was trying to teach, but I'm just happy to see someone else say that losing is fun; dying, learning, and trying again.

[@TuriGamer]

Taking risk of rain 2 as an example is absolutely hilarious cause that game has terrible difficulty 90% of the deaths in that game are you dying in 1 hit to a projectile that was off screen

[@Tafeee33]

Painfully true but it usually only happens when you start looping and at that point you’re just seeing how fast you can kill your computer lol if I’m not looping and I got one shot then I definitely did something stupid

[@godlyvex5543]

I think risk of rain 1 does difficulty in a much more fair way. Feels less feast or famine and more like an actual curve of difficulty.

[@rensouhoutv3139]

I'd say that the game only started being that way when they added blind pest. They're basically the same as wisps but they're tankier and do way more damage.

[@godlyvex5543]

@@rensouhoutv3139 I can guarantee you it was a problem before blind pests. Elder lemurians are especially good at one-shotting you with random fireballs.

[@lilmanlil6852]

lmao can confirm died like this on normal playing as loader

[@diamondmetal3062]

I was introduced to this idea back with Dwarf Fortress. DF really takes this philosophy and runs with it (to the point that “Losing Is Fun” is the game’s unofficial motto). It accomplished that by making losing both an inevitability and a spectacle. Like, from the moment you start a fort, it is destined to collapse. It may take years, but Great Armok will claim it in time. The question is no longer “how do I win?”, it is instead “how do I last as long as I can and make my end as glorious as possible?”

[@noahmonserrate927]

This was one of the best video essays I’ve seen in ages, you’ve earned a new sub and I can’t wait to see you at 10k subs.

[@quisquiliarum7710]

I got my ass ragdolled in Ultrakill by Minos Prime 225+ times in a row and I thoroughly and unironically enjoyed getting my head bashed in every time it happened and jumped right back in that arena no hesitation. I never even got slightly tilted at it, how could I? it was an amazing fight and it's not the dying or the restarting the fight that's annoying it's the things that surround that: loading screens, run-backs, cutscenes; skippable or not skippable still both annoying honestly. But it didn't have any of that. You die > You press 1 button > You take a step forward > annnnd you're back in the fight seamlessly just like that

[@salt-d2032]

Exactly. Ultrakill is a great game when it comes to not punishing you super hard in an annoying way.

[@littletrucker2551]

wasn't expecting the turn to multiplayer games, really good video, I used to play csgo from like 2014-2019ish, and quitting that game (and really any other online competitive games) has had a really positive impact on my mental health. Found monster hunter and dark souls around that time, whenever i get the fps urge instead i hop into ultrakill. All those allow for hella casual or hella stressful runs, depending on what you want to do

[@komradesnoipah1036]

i use to get so angry until i realised that its a waste of energy that affects those i care about around me which made me change my mindset to just "its just a game"

[@definitenuts3365]

This felt like listening to my own thoughts in certain aspects. I quit League and competitive games in general (mostly due to the brainrotten individuals playing at high elo), but I still catch myself setting the difficulty too high or going for annoying achievements in singleplayer games even though, realistically, I really don't want to. Just a couple of days ago I 100% percented RoR2 (steam achievements not eclipse) and being so competitive about it made me a little burnt out, same with TBOI, I just can't get myself to play it since I've gotten all the achievements... Your video is incredibly well made, entertaining and genuinely resonated with me. Earned yourself a sub my man, hope to see you upload again soon :)

[@kajnake5905]

Bro got flamed so hard he reached transcendence

[@ColeTrainStudio]

This touches on the fact that many people attach their self worth to their performance in video games and I'm sure many of us can relate to that. At some point, we usually grow out of it, but it can take a long time. I think age is a key factor here, as our priorities in life change and our ability to self reflect develops and deepens.

[@Someone_s_nick2]

Pov : Guy in tf2 explaining that random crit that he got was balanced.

[@Uniquenameosaurus]

"That wasn't a shower, that was a baptism" is FUCKIN GOLD. I was wondering why you mentioned not taking a shower XD

[@Memfyy]

950 subs??? I def thought this would be 100k+. This is amazing and I love when I can relate to someone to this level. Amazing video! Great watch!

[@j.r.huffnstuff3549]

Kind of learned to be fine with losing with games like Gradius 3, Diablo 2 Hardcore and Resident Evil 2 and 3. With Gradius it was essentially pattern learning, D2 was a lot of luck and planning, and the Re 2 and 3 was a mix of the two, which I learned how to plan saves and get times down as close to 2 hours as possible. Then... I fell in love with The Binding of Isaac, which opened my eyes to Rogue, ADoM, and of course, Dark Souls. It took me like 4 or 5 months of playing anywhere from 3 to 8 hours a day to finish. I remember specifically getting cursed before one of the major patches made it easy to cure, so I just started over. Definitely wanted to stomp the fuck out of my 360 sometimes, but every boss kill was like a hit of heroin. That said, Need For Speed Most Wanted on 360 turned me into a caveman. Would snap at anyone nearby, then had to apologize when I stopped seeing red. Also loved those games in spite of the madness.

[@Quantumest]

From someone who stop playing CS competitive back in 2019 and R6 casually in 2020 This speaks astronomical on how I feel on those games now. Sure I would go back again for "intense" moment but I could also do the same thing in other games? I could Lethal Company being chased, Warframe with many enemies to kill without me or anyone else being an ass? Its exhausting really. Amazing video Tafee and it reliefs to hear that I'm not alone to this matter.

[@Duckamoly]

I alwyas die inside when my friends in the lobby say "let's hop into competitive", but I love challenging games, especially some roguelikes. Losing can be just as fun as not but a lot of the time it isn't thought of as a mechanic. However games that can make you go "ALRIGHT that was good let's go again" after you die, amazing. EDIT: I haven't played any of the actual souls games yet but this does remind me of the Ganondorf fight in TOTK. I sucked at combat in that and learning his pattern over the course of a day was hella fun. Every death made my willpower grow stronger.

[@insta4k796]

I was literally about to come down here to say "... Unless you play Valorant lol" after that whole thing and then you immediately fucking show Valorant this is beautiful

[@antoniolewit7852]

In Titanfall if you lose the match, it’s not over. Permadeath switches on and you have to make it to a drop point to escape the battlefield while the enemy team must blow it up.

[@nyeonii]

I’ve played Overwatch competitive since the initial release in 2016 and this was a mindset I eventually adopted. I am completely detached from the win or loss now, I only play to improve. Of course I’m happy when I win, but I take the losses as an opportunity to analyze what went wrong and how I can do things differently to prevent it next time. I know that as long as I keep improving, I’ll eventually rank up. So there is no point to focus on the result, it’s the problem-solving process that is fun for me.

[@nicreven]

Okay i'm coming back to leave another comment, partly for engagement, but partly just because I can't understate how much this video (of someone talking about that one time they forgot to shower) knocked the sense back into me I really don't know what exactly caused it, but at some point I just got really tired and I stopped trying to do difficult things because they always exhausted me immediately - because they're difficult. But I'm back to it now, I've remembered the joy of smashing your head against a wall for a while just *practicing* something. I hope you're happy knowing that your video seriously impacted someone. Thanks again.

[@thane4514]

I cannot play competitive games anymore. Everytime in recent memory I tried to seriously play and win a comp game without being pre-made I tried harder not to step on my teammates toes, in case someone isn't really mentally stable, than to try and make game winning plays. It is not an enjoyable experience and I probably will never return to playing competitive games actively or solo. I really agree with the whole video esspecially the ending part about comp games. Also your editing is very enjoyable and easy to watch. Keep it up!

[@gcolasall]

the competitive speech hits way harder w/ ror2 music in the background

[@BaconRavioles]

this is really well made! derserves more attention

[@EchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEc]

Bro I just found you and having Trails in the sky in your backlog is just too relatable. Oh and your video was great!

[@Senshiiyt]

This was seriously an amazing video bro

[@dragonsmith3285]

I asaw the words "loosing is fun" and am reminded about dwarf fortress, who used that as their moto

[@SaltyMaud]

Only tangible effect of a malding team mate is that you're now effectively down a player and stuck in a lost match.

[@Mantosasto]

4:03 to 4:12 those nine seconds and that delivery sold me. I'm in, my man.

[@rune9428]

Ngl when I first read the title I swear it was "losing isn't fun" but when he explains the simplicity in being calmer. I had the feeling of rereading the title and it rendered into "losing is fun".

[@XxboxodxX-nk4mz]

This video was really informative, fun and very high quality! please do more

[@craftminerCZ]

Not the content I'd expect given the title, but interesting view nonetheless. Not a one I agree with, but still valuable in some aspects. Toxicity in competitive games has always been a part of it for me, I don't think I'd enjoy gaming as much as I would were everyone in multiplayer kind to each other. I grew up on CoD, with all the stereotypical experiences of that platform: Slurs of racism, ableism and other fun isms; and because I grew up on it, it became normal to me. I'd wager there's a decent deal of people in a similar condition. I don't see red, I don't get angry over craptalk, I don't carry these mannerisms to other aspects of my life. I genuinely doubt people in general do - they wouldn't be in a position to afford to play the game in the first place if they did, money or time wise. Almost any anger I feel throughout those games isn't actual soul-eating anger like you'd feel if someone poisoned your dog or worse, it's a sort of determination to become better at the game. Thrashtalking others and being thrashtalked yourself is fun, an undeniable part of a lot of these games. Some people like you tend to assign it some serious value and fair enough, you did give out an example that made you consider it this way, but I think it's important to realize it's a 1 in a million occurrence and most people just move on with their lives. I don't think one should base their behavior around rare happenstance instead of the norm. The compromises that approach to life would require are an insane price to pay for 1 less hurt soul, and I'm not entirely sure they'd even appreciate being treated like this in their decidedly unhealthy mental state of the moment. The reality of the matter is people play games they like, they invest time, and they'd like that time to be well spent. They don't derive joy from interacting with other players, they derive it from getting better - something that requires investment and with great investment comes great anger management issues. To these players, not being invested enough to get angry is a lack of will to get better, at which point: why are you even playing the game? The conflict doesn't arise from these players on their own, it arises from mixing a player seeking a casual experience with a bit of rank on the line with a player actively attempting to improve.

[@Tafeee33]

Hey just wanted to say that this is a very insightful comment and I’m glad you posted it. I definitely understand where you’re coming from and I hope my thoughts didn’t come off as one size fits all kind of opinion because I think there’s different allowances for all types of situations. It’s definitely acceptable for different levels of trash talk in more competitive situations but I think it will still get to me when I’m in a more casual or low elo setting with friends and someone blows things out of proportion. I also may have exaggerated a bit on the anger part to make things more entertaining. Trash talking can be fun in the cases of fun banter but when I see someone type out slurs as an insult in the game chat I still can’t understand how that’s fun for them, they always just seem extremely angry. Though all of this might just come from us enjoying games differently. Anyway good comment 👍

[@mysteria8663]

this video is secretly a lethal company ad

[@ymotle]

I finished Sly the Spire at 100% in 3 different accounts with all characters at ascension 20 and all achivements, I love to see another Sly addict out there, Im subscribing

[@raysandrarexxia941]

I lose too much in life so losing in a video game is too much

[@Jojosloes]

This is the most healthy gamer ever (great video. Very underrated)

[@Schradermusic]

Being angry at someone is like poisoning yourself and expecting the other person to die.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

I play a lot of competitive games honestly and I like to play a bunch of cozy games to just chill out and detox. Great video btw. I love how it went from hard games are fun to get off VALORANT lol

[@Leradarr]

Dude i know the video was supposed to be informative and all but.The league part was literally the funniest thing i have seen this whole week. thank you

[@nighthawk47]

keep up the good work 👍👍

[@Jonrocks7]

Totally fair, but losing over and over and over again because games often put you in scenarios where your against tons of people who are out to make the game as miserable as possible (sweats) or a stupid glitch that randomly happens, it quickly stops being fun.

[@roadkilledpigeon]

sweats are interesting, I'm a KBM PC player on all multiplayers personally, and I usually take caffine (most often tea, not that Gfuel shit) and try very hard to win, but I wouldn't really consider myself a sweat/tryhard at all. I don't care if I win or lose most of the time, and I mostly just like to improve. I almost always just play pubs and have 0 earnings on any game, and I don't act like an ass on VC. its just that doing cool shit is fun, if only a percent of the people on the game can do stuff you trained to be able to, its just cool. seeing the result of all the setup optimization, psychologic studying, and aim as well as other skill honing all come together is great. that being said I do have a couple gripes, the things that annoy me with "sweats" personally are: 1. some of these guys don't go outside. Legit have no jobs upwards of sixteen years old and play 14 hours a day, thats unhealthy and it ruins the comp of the game for the people who only play a couple hours a day, because we have other stuff to do. 2. zero ping, nuff said. this is pure RNG as far as location to servers and is annoying as shit in some games, albeit not many 3.getting in a lobby with controller players. I don't wanna get into a lobby and be as strong as a team because my opponents are on a fucking joystick, vice versa if I hop on the controller I don't wanna go against a KB player who is 4 times my skill due to sheer input. Aim assist helps but then the KB players bitch about that. Only applies to shooters as far as I'm aware. So I'm kinda curious what you mean by sweat, where is the line draw between someone whos good and someone who is just unfun to have in the lobby? Also yea Glitches suck.

[@jooot_6850]

@@roadkilledpigeonSweats are more likely to use broken meta setups and/or very annoying and hard to counter strategies. If the game has them, sweats are also the ones who abuse glitches. But in reality sweats are bad because they’re better than me

[@roadkilledpigeon]

@@jooot_6850 "meta slaves" as my friend calls them, are one thing. I don't really blame them, I mean, the best items are just better than low tier slop that might be more fun but gets you killed. The exploiters actually do suck imo, I would consider most glitches in online games cheaing, unless it's something that has persisted for years and EVERYONE uses, like the wall exploit shit in fortnite with the ramp or lineups Val/grenade lineups in CSGO if you'd consider those the same way.

[@neuropath6465]

In a perfect world there would only be sweats. If you're not gonna give your 110% stay the fuck out of ranked.

[@roadkilledpigeon]

@@neuropath6465 the hell is that pfp? You comin from Raid shadow legends or some shit? Anyway; Ofc everyone is going to play the best they can in ranked, still some things are annoying in certain games, and even if they allow people to win they actually do make the games less fun. take Steve in smash bros for example, a fighter so busted he just got banned in most tournaments, it was a dumbass playstyle with no counterplay and it just made the game worse, thats the shit people are complaining about, not really people being good, also controller VS keyboard is understandable, you could among the best controller players globally and still be worse than an average 14 year old on a mid pc and a $90 mouse. also I guess sweats in casual lobbies are annoying, but yea, most of the time its just "mad cuz bad".

[@-zourus-]

I loved the video! It feels high quality and very captivating. I also loved the "give advice" joke with that comment a lot. As a league of legends player, that was hilarious and made me laugh multiple times throughout the video. It was also just cool to see someone else that likes LoL, soulsborne games and roguelikes. And to top it all off you also seem to have a similar mentality when it comes to losing/toxicity. Anyway, have a good weekend, video was fire.

[@domovoi_0]

Great video. Good talk on the problem of modern men substituting life fulfillment with pixels. Love and blessings!

[@richardjohnson8991]

I've been trying to explain exactly this concept to my friends playing fighting games with me. In my own friend group I'm the second best player but the best player doesn't come around too often working opposite schedules of the rest of us, so when we play together and I become the guy to beat. There's a lot of frustration from them when they lose for potentially 100+ matches against me but the one they win, you'd think they won the f*n lottery. They learned something, they out smarted me, they EARNED that win. It's hard to get people to continue down the path of constant losing if winning is the goal and I always told them "don't play to win, play to be better next time". The endless grind of self improvement is an incredible feeling when you hit that next level up that accumulated from all your previous losses. Losing is also very humbling and will help you be a better person irl I've had to walk away from MTG several times because I became THAT GUY and now when I see it in other people it doesn't offend me, it doesn't make me mad, it makes me feel bad for that person because this game became so much of their identity they forgot how to be a real person and just have f*n fun

[@soupy_master]

Love this vid. I agree with many of your ideas on this topic and THIS is why I try not to be toxic online. Now the only thing I need to play any online and have fun is some friends. Hopefully you have a good day and gl on the grind :)

[@crangejo]

As someone that already thinks this and has several friends who have vicious, terminal needs for fucking Ranked Points in videogames, this was a sick vid I saw a photo of a book once that covers it pretty neatly. Roughly translated: "The Fine Art of Not Giving a Shit About (Almost) Anything"

[@gupinol8832]

best ad for lethal company i've ever seen ahhahah good video bro

[@eglaiosdeminecraft9259]

0:50 Bro that music from Tokyo Xanadu Got that in a bundle on Fanatical and it was surprisingly good! Sadly I didnt finish it, there's a real difficulty spike on the witch boss and I started to drop off at this point

[@neuropath6465]

This is a fantastic vid, that being said giving someone advice after they do a shit play is more likely to piss them off than flaming em, i find it best to just /mute all every game

[@FinalBoss27]

I agree with the KH parallel. Beating Sephiroth in KH2 prepped me for Dark Souls. It was only the beginning, but that’s my earliest memory of hitting an insane, personal brick wall

[@jetzesmit2111]

i suck at video games (like i am really bad) but i lay a lot. I tend to dislike rng games because they make it feel like if i lose i am unlucky so not a real loss and if i win i am just lucky so it does not really count. One of my favorite games is osu for that exact reason. It is just clicking circles i do everything and even though i am not the best it feels way better when you grind a hard map for that SS and then you get it. You notice your skills improving and that makes for the best feeling. I really loved your video. It is wholesome, funny and it makes sense.

[@Plunjing]

Recently had a game with a guy on my team in val that after round two blamed me for not smoking properly post plant despite the smokes being from the enemy team. He continued to flame me the entire game and afterwards I couldn't stop thinking about it. Realizing I couldn't stop made me fully realize I needed a break. Hearing your league experience really resonated with me and reminded me of that. Awesome vid btw

[@hargos4060]

I was literally bullied for losing at videogames by my brothers so much, I am afraid of it till this day.

[@substart1]

I usually think: This man is training or new at the game, and after this i'm so much patient about his missplays

[@parasocks1613]

The points you make are solid, and the fact you bring up "competitive" games to contradict part of your reasoning is really effective at getting the right idea across! It also sends another message, which is tied closely to the original. Good editing, too!

[@imperiumVII]

Loved some of the Persona background music you used! If you ever make a video on one of the games I'm sure it would do great

[@locosword3985]

"I felt nothing after accomplishing my goal..." mfs when they accomplish absolutely nothing and tried for about 10 minutes vs me who tried for 3 hours to beat a boss and finally did it.

[@AzzRushman]

When I was obsessed with League chasing the highs of doing great while getting praised by everyone (highly unlikely to happen multiple times) almost every game was a disappointment. I had to slowly get used to play normal offline games to actually enjoy videogames again. I had to convince myself that I was doing great by playing hard games on high difficulties and dominating a game I wasn't meant to master, but to enjoy. I slowly went from souls, to roguelikes, then metroidvanias... and only then I was finally able to chill in survival games or just plain silly RPGs without feeling like my destiny in life was to impress / disappoint people or myself. I could just enjoy a game for what it was and work on my life, which was real challenge I trying so hard to ignore. Last night I was playing a game and suddenly there was a blackout. I lost quite a bit of progress, but I wasn't even mad. I still had a lot of fun. I like the way I appreciate games now.

[@NGMTwitch]

good points to take home, thankfully i learned this early enough in my life that i won't die of an aneurism. PS: somewhat dissapointed you didn't mention the very game who's sales pitch was infact "Losing is Fun" which is Dwarf Fortress

[@ufailowell]

Dwarf fortress not even being mentioned when that's there motto is kinda funny

[@jackoster7115]

"It was all because of an incident... i was playing League of Legends with a friend-" Thats about all that needs to be said

[@PotatoSofi]

The only game that I can say in a group chat "I'm going infinite this time" just for my friend to say "you gonna die to a lemurian in one shot" and we both laugh about it 5 minutes later when it happens.

[@PulseBladeenjoyer]

I wish I could have this mindset. I despise losing so much.

[@Always.Smarter]

this felt like 2-3 different videos mashed together into 1 rambling fever dream. that said, the editing and commentary was engaging and i hope you continue to make more. personally i was a bit disappointed because i wanted to hear more about difficulty in singleplayer games, but i applaud anyone who talks shit about league.

[@cake2531]

it was maybe 6 years ago i decided to not play competitive games anymore because i realized i wasn't having fun with them. i've played competitive games since, but i haven't played them competitively. i've played them alongside friends that normally also play casual games with me, and we just have a good time. load up valorant and queue competitive as a full stack, immediately mute enemy chat, and then goof around and try stupid things and team kill for fun etc. i think there are a lot of people with this mindset that don't realize they have it because there are so many popular competitive games they're playing and being forced into the mindset of getting good, outskilling people, and seeing their number go up. we need more games like lethal company, deep rock galactic, team fortress 2 (rest in peace), phasmophobia, among us, etc

[@SourSourSour]

*stares at 500 hours of Noita w/ only 50 wins* I get most anxious about winning in games like Sea of Thieves, where I feel inadequate at the game and therefore am failing my crew/teammates who I assume are there to win. I've definitely been getting better at it w/ practicing losing on my own. Lethal Company tho is a totes different thing, probably because I've played more w/ strangers whose opinions of me I don't care about.

[@deejayf69]

This guy is a monk. Such a healthy mindset. I can learn from you.

[@criticalhit114]

the average dwarf fortress enjoyer: what are you talking about?

[@grfrjiglstan]

Playing Slay the Spire as I watch this, and let me just say, hearing the sound effects coming from my tablet really wigged me out.

[@itsamekaizo4821]

As a For Honor hostage, i can confirm that this video is 112% accurate with a 12% margin of error

[@TheBreadbear]

Beating my head against Sisyphus Prime for 1 hour and seeing how much more damage I did from the previous restart makes me want to roll a boulder up a mountain and snap his spine with it. P-2 took me one and a half hours and 150 restarts first time playing. Great music was a big help in that nightmare of a level.

[@TheR6R6R]

IIRC UNIQLO's founder has said once that he is fascinated by failure. Being quite the failure of a member of society as I am, I have always supported the idea that we learn more from failure than we do on success. The one trait I think all gamers should possess is that of grit. It should naturally grow through repeated acceptance of defeat. Thing is, most don't realize the value of failing, and mainstream game design practices certainly never try making losing at least seem enjoyable. Good writing and good ideas all around, looking forward to see you grow.

[@windwatcher460]

You seem like the kind of person that would love fighting games. I once got solo killed twice in LoL, my (non-friend) teammates started flaming me, the opponent made a comment I guessed was sarcastic, but I replied earnestly. Then they gave me actual advice to try into the match up next time. We complemented each others good plays and friends each other after the game. One of my favorite gaming memories

[@Airking1998]

One of the best videos I've ever watched. Subbed.

[@Neros_light]

One of the few games I enjoy losing in is Devil May Cry. The punishment for failure is *always* my fault and it makes me feel like I can improve and learn

[@jerrymajors8132]

my take is that losing is fun if it means something, either because you gain something from it (it becomes a learning experience, or otherwise feeds into a sense of progress), or it's funny (it sets up or pays off a bit that might not have even been intentional, or is shocking and/or absurd). every death I remember enjoying has fallen into one of those two camps.

[@liamn2030]

In a weird sense, I have found success in enjoying playing competitive (ranked) in games, primarily R6 and CSGO/2 within the past year. Sure, you will find toxic teammates, but I suppose in a twisted sort of sense, I've found myself enjoying the banter and flaming and retorting creatively when an opportunity arises. I also believe that while I shouldn't care about what other teammates say while being toxic, I do see the person behind the screen and I empathize with them. No player sets out to play a game with the intention of being toxic. Most of what I see as toxicity is people playing expecting too much of their teammates. And while that's not my fault, I would point that out to them. They probably don't enjoy being toxic either. It's not a deliberate action to send those hateful messages; It's an impulsive reaction that they haven't learned to control. And, in full honesty, I don't think it's fair to judge a person for not knowing how to control themselves in these moments when nobody has taught them otherwise. The fact that this is an impulsive reaction also tells me with certainty that they don't mean what they say. It's an offhand remark, not a legitimate criticism, and should be treated as such. Now, I'm not saying that having toxicity and toxic players in competitive games isn't a problem, but it's not necessarily the fault of just a select group of people that we can just deem "toxic" and deserve to be eradicated. They're only human, just like us. Them flaming you for you making a mistake is just them making a mistake too. That happens to everyone. All this to say, empathize with your fellow man, even if they are being at the moment a bit of a toxic PoS. Our best is all we can do in these types of games. The wins and losses will come and go, and we cannot change that. You play the hand you're dealt, try to make it work, and if it doesn't you can rest assured knowing that you gave it your all. On another note, you said to play lethal company as the game to destress from ranked. And while Lethal Company is good, I think that there is a better game to possibly play. You may have heard of it before, or you may have not. The game I speak of is Deep Rock Galactic. The game is a 1-4 players cooperative FPS where you play as space dwarves doing missions for a company, which always involve shooting bugs (unless if you play pacifist which is weird but I don't judge), and while each player can pick a different class to support each other in the game with unique class weapons and abilities, you don't necessarily need that to win. It may not entirely go with the theme of the video being that losing is fun, but a lot of whether you win or lose comes down to both the random chance and how you react to that. There are never any particularly correct ways to play the game, and the game lets you experiment with builds and strategies. In an interesting way, while the game does have an automatic matchmaking system (for each mission that exists at a period of time), there is rarely if ever any toxicity. If you lose, everyone knows that you all tried your best. The game's community is so welcoming, inclusive, and kind that there are people who are in disbelief of how nice the community is (Source: Reddit posts). I might not be able to convince you to play the game from this comment alone, but in that case, just look the game up on youtube. There are countless videos praising the game and how utterly enjoyable it is, some from a game design standpoint, and several others from the community standpoint and personal experience. If a flawless game does exist, this is the closest we have. Wins are very satisfying especially on higher difficulties (although the difficulties don't really go that high without mods). Play it with friends, play it with randoms, or even play it alone (which is not an optimal way to play imo but the game makes it as fun as it can be); You will have a great time. Mining ores in caves, building oil pipelines, and shooting bugs doesn't get more fun than this. Reason I recommend this game over Lethal Company is that while the scares and proximity chat can be funny, cooperating with others can not only be just as funny, but also satisfying. In other words : Rock and Stone, to the Bone!

[@liamn2030]

Also, Great video, and sorry for all the text.

[@darandompancake405]

I don't know you, but I love you. Can't wait to see what else you make :D

[@astorathegreat]

Loving this vid, never seen your vids before, but now I'm subbed! Keep it up! I also hope this blows up!!!!