LOST 5x7 | The Life And Death Of Jeremy Bentham | Reaction (NEW)

[@reatores]

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[@Leeozcajobi]

Uma das desvantagens de assistir com a galera é que perde um pouco o clima de imersão, e é nesse tipo de EP que a gente percebe isso. No meu caso, sempre vi vidrado na tela, com fone, no escuro, é impossível não chorar com um EP desse, aquela cena do Locke chorando nos braços do Ben é uma das melhores atuações de toda a série, quando se está imerso ao assistir a gente sente o peso e minutos depois mais uma sensação de ódio, angústia e tristeza que só uma série como LOST traria. Por outro lado, o "assistir sozinho" nos deixam num limbo de solidão e não temos com quem conversar sobre. Por sorte na época que eu assisti as comunidades do Orkut bombavam muito...Época dos megaupload da vida, que tínhamos que esperar almas bondozas legendar os EP pra gente, bons tempos. Agora bora pro próximo EP que também é maravilhoso!

[@reatores]

Sim, a gente acaba levado pelas discussões. É verdade. Vantagens e desvantagens de ver em grupo... Bora nessa!

[@alddovazquez5145]

Era una tortura esperar cada semana a un ep nuevo,ni hablar de esperar un par de años para la siguiente temporada,cuando no había filtraciones,ni fotos en internet...toda la información la tenía a gotas en lostpedia...que buenos tiempos.

[@youtpfpm6097]

Title in French: "La Vie et la Mort de Jeremy Bentham" (The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham) Ben squeezed the Lemon-Locke to the last drop. Then he threw it away.

[@reatores]

Totally sad!!!

[@letsrock1729]

Been away and am now enjoying catching up with your reactions 😍 Saddest episode of LOST for me...I'm always tempted to skip it on re-watches as it's just too heart breaking. But I couldn't skip this brilliant reaction and discussion ❤

[@reatores]

Oh, I know the feeling! Really really sad episode. Glad you watched and liked our reaction though! ❤️ welcome back!

[@letsrock1729]

@@reatores Thanks, it's good to be back!

[@FreshZCORD]

The moment we're my 2nd favorite character killed my favorite character

[@reatores]

Sad but true 😁

[@eschatological]

I always forget it's summer down in Brazil, we could use some of that heat up here in the States. Time for a vacation.

[@reatores]

Oh, boy... August, September and October are really hot here!

[@eschatological]

@@reatores I've been to Argentina, but never Brazil - apparently my Portuguese last name has become slang for something rather unflattering in Brazil, lol.

[@reatores]

Hahahah they don't show the name anymore on your comments through the phone. I'll try it on the computer to see!

[@eschatological]

@@reatores it's not on KZbin but my surname is Pinto. ;) I've been told it's slang in Brazil despite being a normal Portuguese surname.

[@vanessaholanda3672]

da segunda vez que vi lost em diante esse se tornou o episódio mais triste da série.

[@reatores]

Nossa, sim, Vanessa... não sei se vc tá vendo o novo grupo reagindo a Lost, mas temo pela saúde mental da Mayra qdo chegar nesse episódio...

[@lukasmilcik5825]

No nicknames in this episode from Sawyer.

[@PernelTV]

Jeremy Bentham was a British philosopher, just like ... John Locke (1632-1704). Funny theory : who are the only 2 persons to call John "Mr Locke" ? Who told John "next time you see me, you owe me one" ? Who John help just after that on the island ? Walt. There is a theory that says Walt and Abaddon were the same persons. Walt have "powers", he can be in different places (remember what Ms Klugh asking Michael about Walt in the episode "3 minutes", "is Walt ever appear in a place he wasn't supposed to be" (something like that) and remember who appears to John when Ben shoots him in season 3, episode 22 ? Walt, older when he was supposed to be in the USA (NY if I remember). They are "African American" both, and when Abaddon brought John to Walt he wasn't on John's side, he was near the car, for all other people Abaddon brought John, he was near him. I don't know if it's true, but it matches a lot. In a show like Lost, I think it's highly possible, too many coincidences. What a sad episode. What an amazing acting, once again. Locke and Ben scene are always amazing, always well written, always well played. They deserve better career. At least "Locke" will be in the new spin of The Walking Dead.

[@reatores]

Oh, they definetely should be more well known, they're amazing actors! That's really interesting, I think it could be possible... we'd have to consider Walt travelled through time (after going back to the island with Hurley and Ben) in order to work for Widmore and things stay as they always were, right? Cool.

O episódio mais depressivo de Lost. Nunca vou superar.

[@reatores]

Muito deprê!!

[@joabeferr6958]

Que episódio sensacional (dependendo de como esse sensacional é definido). Confirmou o medo dos fãs e deu um (cof!) fio de esperança a eles.

[@reatores]

Hahaha Disse tudo.

[@controlgamerbrasil]

31:00 será que ela vai chorar com a gente no Final?

[@reatores]

Espero que sim... mas não posso garantir haha.

[@Thegodbole]

Tragic Life Of John Locke 💔

[@reatores]

So sad 😢😢

[@astragalusson]

Ben saying "Jack bought a ticket" shouldn't be a lie because Jack was on a plane when he read Jeremy Bentham's death on the newspaper. It might take a few days until they found Locke's body and the news ended up on the paper but it can't be too long. Because when Jack met Kate on the airport (Season 3 finale) he said "I've been flying A LOT... To Sydney, Singapore, etc to crash and end up on the island" so the flight he's seen Locke's news on the paper wasn't his first long distance flight. He should have had at least a few flights to justify saying "a lot" between the time he's seen Locke at the hospital and that flight he's seen the newspaper. So, when Ben said "Jack bought a ticket" it has to be true as I said a few days later they'll find Locke's body and when Jack reads the news he's already saying he flies a lot. On the contrary, I'm a little surprised to hear Jack just bought his 1st ticket when Locke is already released from the hospital and decided to actively commit suicide, prepared the robe, etc... I'd imagine Jack would already have a couple flights till then... Maybe Locke chose to be released early.

[@reatores]

See, that's exactly how I feel about that. By the time Ben said that to Locke, I felt it was too early for Jack to have bought a ticket. But they don't actually say how long has passed, so, all we can do is wonder. And also, Jack told Kate at the airport "every Friday night I take a flight". So, that indicates that he did that once a week, and for him to say "I've been flying a lot", I imagine it was at least 3 times. Which would mean 3 weeks.

[@astragalusson]

@@reatores Ok. I've forgotten about the "every friday night" line which makes it even more complicated to me. What I can't comprehend in what you're saying, why do you say too early? I think it's too late for Jack to buy a ticket the day Ben killed Locke. Because if this "booking" is really Jack's first, he needs to fly "a lot" until they find Locke's body (and the news end up on paper Jack will read on the plane, probably the next day) which looks a little far-fetched, especially ifJack only flies on Fridays. Based on your "3 weeks" assumption, it must have took 3 weeks to find Locke's body. Is it possible? Yeah. But, I'd think they would find the body sooner. I'd buy up to 2 weeks passing much better for example but then why would Jack say "a lot" for just 2 trips (4 flights with returns), which also doesn't make sense because Jack names 3 example cities (Tokyo-Singapore-Sydney) for his destinations. So it must have really took at least 3-4 weeks until they've found Locke's body and the news ended up on paper. I think Jack could even buy a ticket later in the day he's seen Locke on the hospital. So he could have made a couple of trips (or at least one) until Locke is exchanged from the hospital and acted to commit suicide, unless Locke got out of the hospital very quickly after Jack-Locke conversation which I doubt because he was in a serious car crash and he already had a broken leg.

[@reatores]

Oh, and I had forgotten about the destinations he mentioned! That makes it even more close to what I thought. What I meant by "too early" was that Jack left the hospital room really angry with Locke. Like "here comes this crazy old man again with this destiny talk". So, I thought it would take days for him to realize Locke could be actually right. But then again, as I said in the video, Jack's beard is an indication of his mental health stages. And you can see he has a short beard in this hospital scene. So he might actually have been thinking about his "destiny", or at least realized how miserable his life has been after he left. If that's the case, maybe it was only a matter of hours until he really decided to buy a ticket.

[@letsrock1729]

@@astragalusson Interesting discussion. I personally think these timings are a writing error, because there's no way Locke's corpse could look that good if it had taken weeks to find his body. His corpse would be an unviewable nightmare if he had been left undiscovered/unrefrigerated for a matter of weeks.

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

31:58 - Great reaction! * SPOILER ALERT* . . Don't forget that it was ELOISE who told Ben that they needed to bring EVERYONE back to the island. So, it was her idea (told to Ben) to get the Oceanic Six AND John Locke. After Locke was dead, they needed to bring Locke's body with them. Prior to Locke's death, Charles Widmore also wanted to bring everyone back -- including Locke and even Walt. This was probably for the reasons to be seen in Season 6 (i.e., "candidates"). However, I think that Ben didn't expect that John Locke would return to life. He likely only believed that it would help get the plane to where it needed to go -- the island. Ben only wants back on the island (as did Widmore). I don't think that either one of them were concerned with anything other than being a "leader" on that island. They knew very little about Jacob or his nemesis.

[@moodfm5673]

spoiler?

[@reatores]

Yes, could you add a spoiler alert, please? No harm done cause the crew only come here after I give them the OK. I'll come back later to comment on your comments =)

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

@@reatores Done! Spoiler alert added. Sorry about that!

[@reatores]

No problem! And yes, I also think Ben didn't expect at all that John would come back to life. Spoiler As we will see in Dead Is Dead (5x12), I think that was one of the few times he was really honest without any hidden agenda behind it.

[@fernandaalmeida3721]

@@reatores se foi a eloise que falou que o locke tinha que voltar tbm, entao talvez o ben nao fosse levar ele. Que eu tava pensando o seguinte, até entao o ben sabia que o pai do jack tava morto e tava no avião? o ben ja viu o pai do jack "vivo" na ilha? Pq nao tô lembrando se ele ja viu ou nao. Se ele tiver visto, acho que ele sabia que o locke ia reviver na ilha, caso nao, acho que ele achou que o locke tava morto mesmo e por isso nem tava pensando em levar ele e só os 6, caso a eloise nao falasse nada. Mas uma coisa tô doida pra entender, o que o aaron tem a ver com tudo isso kkkk nao consigo nem imaginar o que ele vai se tornar no futuro e como ele pode ser importante na historia

[@JacopoBasanisi]

A sad, pivotal episode, just like every John episode. John’s arguments are very simple, maybe too much. I mean, if I’m off the island, I’ll need more than a vague prophecy to be convinced to come back. But that’s the point. John always needed just a sign, just a push, to act. That’s very clear in the Jack/John dialogue in the hospital. Both have sound arguments from their respective points of view. The only one trying to be manipulative was John, though. Of course from John’s perspective he was not manipulative, he was desperately trying to convince a non believer (hence, the letter). Everybody else made great points, but we know the main event was the hospital. Because Jack is the least likely to believe John, but the most likely to try to save who stayed behind. Even this episode can’t be really supportive of anyone’s side. On the island, John is alive, so it appears he was right (not really, but it makes appear to be that way). Outside the island, John ended his “pathetic little life” (as John called it in the past and Jack reminded us about it in this episode) in a sad, unimportant, way, being manipulated one last time. Only time will tell which one is right. This is maybe the worst thing Ben did in the show, in the worst way possible. He killed John the same way Anthony died, just out of jealousy about John being special. Even though John being special is something John basically told himself in the timeskip period, he’s alive now, so he must really be special, right? Right??

[@reatores]

Hahaha, you jokingly asked that last question, so I'll keep playing this game without a spoiler alert. There's so many "special" characters in this show. John, Walt, Desmond... and someone we can't name... yet. Right? 😁 I always thought that letter was kinda... mean. If I got that letter, I would totally think John killed himself because of me.

[@IvoryTrance]

Its funny watching Gabi's reaction to Ben killing Locke - shes a stone - no reaction because she is so fed up with the craziness of this show LOL!!

[@reatores]

Yeah, she was overwhelmed, poir Gabi.

[@anomalysakawendy5096]

I don't know... perhaps if you murder an unarmed woman in the back, you shouldn't be surprised to be 'stabbed in the back' yourself. (Justice for Naomi. ;-D)

[@reatores]

Hahaha fair enough, Wendy!

[@dgillphotos]

Ben killed Locke because he suspects Widmore is manipulating him. Ben is a great villain!

[@reatores]

That's a new one to me! Interesting.

[@patriciafreitas9322]

He told Hurley he was thinking of growing a beard in the first episode well before he started falling apart.I don’t think Jack was getting bad yet. He got bad after he caught Kate doing something for sawyer.

[@reatores]

Maybe a little before? When he was asking his friend for Clonazepan recipes? Seeing Christian and stuff...

[@patriciafreitas9322]

@@reatores I always assumed him visiting Hurley after he crashes the orange car in s4 E1 takes place before he gets engaged to Kate and asks his friend for a prescription

[@buddystewart2020]

Finally, an episode that will make them love Ben. lololol. Yeah, it does some strange doesn't it? Some of the people went to the main island when the flash happened on flight 316, some went to the small island. I guess maybe people went wherever they needed to be. Maybe we'll find out why. And who to believe? Widmore, or Ben? I don't really think Kate 'hated' Locke, I think she didn't understand him. Look at all she's seen on the island? In spite of that, she's never been a person of faith. Locke was a man of faith, he had faith in the island, faith that it's a special place. But not Kate. She's just, practical. ...someone's chasing me, I have to run....someone's been abducted, we have to get them back... She's never been a believer, and she still isn't.

[@reatores]

You're very right about Kate! I think "practical" is the perfect word to describe her in that matter. About some people going to the main island and other to the small island, the most confusing part to me is: was the flash inside Ajira the same one as the one that happened when Locke turned the wheel?

[@mtulio-t9z]

oxi. na melhor cena deu zoom e não pegou a cara de todo mundo. ai não kkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@soadmaniacfjc]

Esse ep é muito triste. Locke é um dos personagens mais tristes que eu ja vi. Kate pegou pesado com ele, mesmo ele sendo egoísta as vezes ela podia ter sido mais empática com ele. Agora o Jack foi o oposto que um medico deve ser, o Hugo falou la na primeira temporada que o Jack é muito ruim na parte de falar e acalmar as pessoas. Eu acho que o Locke não desistiu e resolveu se matar, na verdade ele acreditou no Cristian que disse que ele ia ter que se matar para levar eles de volta. Todas as manipulações do Ben sempre achei legal para o plot, mas nesse ep eu fiquei com ódio do Ben. Ele traiu o Locke no momento mais frágil dele.

[@reatores]

Cara, sim... ele se aproveitou da fragilidade total do John, poxa... coitado do Locke, morreu se achando um nada, um zero à esquerda 😓

[@soadmaniacfjc]

Acho que é pior ainda morreu achando que o único proposito dele era morrer, e sem entender por que o Ben não deixou ele fazer do jeito dele. @@reatores

[@rsdobr9177]

Muito fofinho o Ben salvando Lock de se m#tar 🤗

[@reatores]

Hahahahah né?

[@marekmarecki6248]

Gabi looks tired 😅

[@malinho2342]

Maybe she is tired of mysteries and questions..😊😊

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

She looks like it is very warm. I wonder what the temperature is there. Given its location on the equator, Brazil must be one of the few nations in the western hemisphere that doesn't have much change during the seasons. I wonder if the seasons are warm, warm, warmer and warm?

[@reatores]

It was REALLY warm, she was kinda suffering there, so I'm always using the fan now. And yeah, she may have been tired that day. But not from the mysteries, no 😁