Lost Origin Pull Rates Revealed - Can we Believe Them!? (Pokémon TCG News)

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Ptcgradio

Ptcgradio

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@connorism69
@connorism69 2 жыл бұрын
I think the analysis here is way off regarding the Pok'emon Company's target market. It used to be all about the kiddies with regard to the TCG, but now it seems to me that they're heavily targeting nostalgic adults who are getting back into the hobby and are ready to spend plenty of money seeking rarer cards. The rarity of the alternate art cards is a clear move in that direction, as kids cannot afford to get these cards through here-and-there pack buying. When I collected as a kid, I was able to get my master sets completed without buying cases and such; nowadays that would be impossible.
@matthewbermudez4061
@matthewbermudez4061 2 жыл бұрын
Well said and exactly what I have thought about newer sets since the the hype was revived.
@Pancakes23
@Pancakes23 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. He's waayyyy off. Adults have the money and get their kids into pokemon. Kids become adults and pass it on. Generational fans for years = $$$ in Pokemons pockets
@mrdinosaurproductions9507
@mrdinosaurproductions9507 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a kid and I’m very sad because I know the only master set I’m completing is the Halloween booster bundles :(
@RickyRank
@RickyRank 2 жыл бұрын
You're right on the money with how the Pokemon company is targeting their consumers. I personally think they're using certain sets to target both kids and adults. Sets like Evolving Skies and Lost Origin were definitely targeting adults because of how expensive most of the cards are and sets like Astral Radiance and Pokemon Go were for the younger audience because of how easy they were to get a Master Set, plus the cards were affordable. It's like the Pokemon company gives both age ranges a turn to enjoy the hobby.
@erikastenione9047
@erikastenione9047 Жыл бұрын
Nah its prob the same you just had kid luck back then like im 10 years old and i just pulled a giratina alt art like i only buyed 1 elite trainer box and i got it from first pack First pack magic be treating us kids differently
@youcanthandlemyname7393
@youcanthandlemyname7393 2 жыл бұрын
regardless of if the aerodactyl is more or less rare than the other alt arts i think we can all agree one alt art every 2-3 cases is ridiculous.
@1Pedr0o2
@1Pedr0o2 2 жыл бұрын
I managed to pull the girantina alt art out of one of my cases lmao I bought 5 boosters and pulled a lot of crazy stuff
@youcanthandlemyname7393
@youcanthandlemyname7393 2 жыл бұрын
@@1Pedr0o2 lucky you got the giratina and not the meowth lol.
@dubandpat
@dubandpat 2 жыл бұрын
One in 2-3 cases would be ridiculous but the numbers in the video show closer to one per case. (Average out the 4 pull rates and divide by 4) for the chance of getting one of them.
@michaelfanton205
@michaelfanton205 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he didn't do math right. There's 4 alts so it's not 1 in 25 boxes, it's 1 in 6 boxes to get any one of them
@mav1877
@mav1877 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that the alternate arts should be roughly the same rarity between 850-900 packs which is a lot of packs. I'm ready to give up on this set to pull an alternate art. If the TG subset wasn't good, it would be a pretty miserable experience. It's too bad that Pokemon made it so tough for this set.
@elcidcampeador9629
@elcidcampeador9629 2 жыл бұрын
The idea that one has to spend roughly $3 per pack x 1000 packs = $3000 to find any particular piece of shiny cardboard is ridiculous.
@SaberkiddASMR
@SaberkiddASMR 5 ай бұрын
And money is paper. Does not matter at all that cards are cardboard. Money is backed by gold and Pokémon is backed by the show and most importantly the core memories we carry from childhood of collecting. Special times
@LightYwins
@LightYwins 2 жыл бұрын
But didn’t they make charizard in celebration harder to pull than blastoise and venusaur
@Aqua-ij3xs
@Aqua-ij3xs 2 жыл бұрын
That’s true… I pulled 3-4 of each Blastoise and Venusaur but never pulled a single Charizard.
@arasaychaviano3746
@arasaychaviano3746 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled 3 golden mews and only one Charizard.
@Chubbytoad12
@Chubbytoad12 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled 100000 blastoise 1 venusaur 1 charizard
@vincentramos6343
@vincentramos6343 2 жыл бұрын
What’s funny about that is that I pulled 1 blastoise, 1 venusaur, and 2 charizards lol
@adamkarlb6329
@adamkarlb6329 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aqua-ij3xs that is andictotal
@jonathanellis9560
@jonathanellis9560 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Danny Phantump's pull rate video and he had some similar numbers for pull rates even though he opened only 2,880 packs from booster boxes. Then i opened 3 Pokemon center ETBs and in 1 of them i got 2 gold giratinas
@dillsimmons
@dillsimmons 2 жыл бұрын
I opened a booster bundle and got alt art aero and gold giratina... i just didn't bother buying anymore...
@itsacoaster
@itsacoaster 2 жыл бұрын
Be very careful with individual card pull rates because they are subject to a lot of variance on the tail end. It would be better, taking your assumption that each alt art is equally likely, to take the 1/200 pull rate and divide by 4, giving 1/800 for each. Still, an alt art every 5-6 boxes is absolutely insane!
@Dwellic
@Dwellic 2 жыл бұрын
especially when a far more popular set such as evolving skies has a chance of having 0-3 alt arts in a booster box. it's actually mind boggling.
@TheZarr
@TheZarr 2 жыл бұрын
In previous sets if you bought a case you’d see 2-3 alt cards per case. There were definitely some that only had 1 or none but that seemed to be rare. For Lost Origin I’ve seen people open up a few cases without seeing a single alt art.
@mattdeegan7300
@mattdeegan7300 2 жыл бұрын
This was my first thought as well. But if you think about it, how consistent is that? What’s the sample size? That’s what everyone said for sure, and that’s been a close to my own experiences. I just don’t know how accurate it is. Pokémon does have the ability to print “less” sheets that contain Secret Rares and/or Alt. Arts. It just doesn’t seem like they would intentionally want to print more or less for one given set, as Wossy mentioned (the scandal). @Ptcgradio Any thoughts on this?
@gumpbrave
@gumpbrave 2 жыл бұрын
No you wouldn't. There was no expectation that case=2 or 3 alts at all. Because, as he mentioned, a 6k pack size is wayyyy too small beacuse it a. is almost 0% of the total packs opened and b. it tries to measure an event that may only happen 10-20 times. Meaning any degree of bad or good luck makes the results totally worthless. A case is 216 packs. That would mean the pull rate is somewhere between 1 in 70ish or 1 in every 100ish packs. They'd have to map and seed it to an insane degree, first of all. Secondly, we know that isnt true by empirical data. But most importantly, if that one pack, one tiny aspect of luck in 216 packs, could ruin that, make it unrealistically high or make a hit figure nonexistent. Alt arts are not guaranteed, not does 1 alt art in a box prevent another. In fact, you can get a secret and 2 alt arts in the same box. I highly advise that people don't go into opening product with fictional expectations that aren't even supported by the poor data we've ever had, which is also all the pull rate data owned by anyone other than pokemon
@deathbymazda
@deathbymazda 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve opened 4 booster boxes of Lost origins and pulled 2 alts
@mattdeegan7300
@mattdeegan7300 2 жыл бұрын
@@gumpbrave Thank you- this is a great and detailed response. I was trying to reference “seeding” and collating (as it relates to the print process) but failed to explain in a digestible and accessible way, as you did. I would recommend that everyone watch RattlePokemon’s reaction video to Millenium Print Group actually producing cards. Once you see how the layout sheets are designed, it becomes a lot more obvious that pull rates aren’t so inconsistent or random. Social media noise just makes people second guess that empirical data- I get it. The main rumor that I want to debunk is the idea that different products have different pull rates. For the aforementioned reason, this doesn’t make sense- all of the packs are coming from the same production pool. It would take SO much work for production to essentially “seed” and sort packs differently for the millions of different products released in a year. This is a major assumption, but it’s logical, and it bothers me hearing PokeTubers trying to push this idea that one random 3-pack blister is “the buy” and “investable” because of “better” pull rates. EDIT: Booster boxes are an example of a product with relatively “fixed” pull rates to my knowledge, but I just don’t see how production would be able to spend the time and resources to basically “fix” every set of packs for every product.
@gumpbrave
@gumpbrave 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathbymazda Two sample sizes too small to draw meaningful conclusions from, besides the lack of a rule per case here, that disagree. That would be the case for cards less rare than alt art vs too by the way.
@MuslimDraco
@MuslimDraco 2 жыл бұрын
Hey wossy you seen the new Gengar limited edition watch on the Pokémon centre uk??? Only 1300 made and it looks amazing!!!
@Zwazzeh
@Zwazzeh 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled 12 alts in one box. Source: trust me bro
@MerlinCheng
@MerlinCheng 2 жыл бұрын
I opened 3 booster boxes plus a couple more from ETB blister etc and I did not get a single Giratina V. The rates are all over the place.
@chrispatriots
@chrispatriots 2 жыл бұрын
Bought a blister 3 pack with regigigas promo and pulled a giratina vstar and gold Pikachu. I like my luck with the blisters 🤞🏻😏
@SharkTooth57
@SharkTooth57 2 жыл бұрын
I knew it. PokeRev (aka some random content creator in my opinion eventhough he is popular) opened a ton, eventually pulled Aero and he probably hyped up how rare it was and everyone watching blindly believed it. So now its super expensive. Yeah that might not be how it works, but thats what ends up happening every single time.
@needlestorm909
@needlestorm909 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if anyone compiles the different pull rate data from different sources to create more “accurate” numbers. Thanks Wossy!
@arasaychaviano3746
@arasaychaviano3746 2 жыл бұрын
Danny phantom does this on his KZbin channel.
@oldmanjake6541
@oldmanjake6541 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve opened 300+ packs by now. Chasing those darn Alt alts. Finally pulled one Alt Art yesterday. 🤪😜 Pulled: 3 black gold Pika, 5 Pika V, and Zero Pika Vmax I got a boatload of duplicate V, radiant cards, and yellow border TG cards. Full arts, rainbows, and gold are tougher to pull. Yes, those Alt Art cards are super hard to pull.
@jakeleethompson
@jakeleethompson 2 жыл бұрын
I bought (I think) 34 cards from 3 different tiltok sellers today. I pulled a gold Tina, alt art perrserker, rainbow sisters and a few other good nice hits. Blows those odds out the water really
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
I got so lucky! I opened 2 cases so 12 boxes and pulled 3 Alt arts (Giratina, Rotom and Perserkker)
@fastfirefox1475
@fastfirefox1475 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think you are that lucky in that many packs.
@LuisNapoles
@LuisNapoles 2 жыл бұрын
@@fastfirefox1475 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ idk what to tell you buddy lol no reason to lie to a bunch of strangers!
@LovelyFinal
@LovelyFinal 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisNapoles I don't think he thought you were lying. He is just saying that you are not that lucky.
@Roysphotos8
@Roysphotos8 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been collecting for 4 months. I still don't understand the hierarchy of the rarity system in pokemon. In yugioh it's pretty str8 forward
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
Its not hard. It’s literally meant for kids lol
@moreaverage4813
@moreaverage4813 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled the Perserker V alt art from my booster box along with all 3 radiant cards, gold box of disaster, full art Giratina V (not the alt art), & Charizard & Pikachu from the trainer gallery.
@tokyosour4215
@tokyosour4215 2 жыл бұрын
The irony is Pokerev pulled so many of those purserker alt arts that he literally got tired of seeing them lol. I think he pulled like at least 6 or so in the 1600 packs he opened. If he pulled at least 6 his pull rate for Galarian purrserker alt art is 1/266
@deathbymazda
@deathbymazda 2 жыл бұрын
He pulled 6 Giritina
@KittySnac
@KittySnac 2 жыл бұрын
It was Giratina not Perserker.
@NCollectorSam
@NCollectorSam 2 жыл бұрын
Lol false. 2592 packs. Giratina, not Perserker.
@tokyosour4215
@tokyosour4215 2 жыл бұрын
@@NCollectorSam + the 8 packs from the ETB he opened, giving him an even 2600. He did pull 6 Giratina alt arts but he also pulled a bunch of Perserkers.
@_RiseAgainst
@_RiseAgainst 2 жыл бұрын
It's important to note not every print sheet can have an equal number of each card. So it makes sense if some cards are printed more than others. The difference could be huge if only a few cards end up twice or three times on the sheet. Edit: he covered this. We need the print sheet leaks!
@youcanthandlemyname7393
@youcanthandlemyname7393 2 жыл бұрын
seriously i hate how tpc did this because it totally kills this set for long term investment. in five years nobody is going to want to spend 500 bucks on a booster box that has less than a 10 percent chance of having even a single chase card in it. as wonderful as the trainer gallery is the value of those cards will never match up to alt arts and when you are spending 500 bucks on a box you are not going to care about pulling a 20 dollar card from the trainer gallery. its like i always say nobody buys a base set box to pull an alakazam they do it to pull one of the big three and likewise in five or so years nobody is going to buy a 500 dollar lost origin box to pull a trainer gallery card they are going to do it to pull one of the alt arts. difference is a base set box almost gurantees atleast one of the big three but a lost origins case does not even guarantee one of the alt arts.
@EwanTroioni
@EwanTroioni 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a case of lost origin, opened 4 boxes, kept 2 sealed. Somehow I got 2 Rotom Alt Arts out of the 4 boxes I did open.
@Poke_N_Fun
@Poke_N_Fun 2 жыл бұрын
How are we sure that alt arts rares are not it’s own separate sheets have we ever seen a sheet with alt arts ??
@BassWhoopinFishingTeam
@BassWhoopinFishingTeam Жыл бұрын
The cards are usually cheaper to just buy outright than it is to spend money on booster boxes and packs to try your luck…
@Spoompal
@Spoompal 2 жыл бұрын
oh god my Aerodactyl is gonna tank
@Loki_Loki01
@Loki_Loki01 2 жыл бұрын
I bought 2 packs randomly as my first packs i got of lost origin and got a V card in one of those packs and a trainer gallery in the other. Its all luck what you get haha. Pull rates are a general guide but shouldn't be used as fact imo. 8k packs also is no where near enough packs opened to get closer to true pull rates. Also the pull rates are just localised to those 8k packs as well aren't they? the pull rates could be totally different in a seperate 8k packs. There's lots of ways you could look at it and variables to take into account and i guess unless you open every pack in existence or know how many total cards are in rotation, you won't actually know the true pull rates 100% haha
@lucariotcgbaz
@lucariotcgbaz 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for signing my Lucario card
@Kennydustin333
@Kennydustin333 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled 1 giratina v alt art from my second booster box and 1 aerodactyl v alt art from one of two 3-booster-blisters. This set startet very lucky for me. I sold them both and hope to get them for a cheaper price again when the hype comes down. Or pull them again... But i opened another 24 sleeved boosters and 2 etbs and the pulks where really bad.
@memenazi7078
@memenazi7078 2 жыл бұрын
3:16 THANK YOU The pokemon company is not smart enough to have different rarities per card, they’re not putting much thought into this. They’re just too casual for all that shit.
@Tanjams
@Tanjams 2 жыл бұрын
Ptcgradio in with the logic and reason again! Agree it's likely the same, if the pull rate for a single card is 1/900, you could easily open a few thousand packs and still not get it. It'd be like flipping a coin 6 times and getting tails each time, it's not super likely, but then do it again for each alt art and have a bunch of people do it. Someone is gonna flip tails 6 times, that's what happened to PokeRev. TCG player only opened around 8000, as a very rough analogy, flip 18 coins for each alt, as a statistical average you'd get 9 heads (9 giratina alt for example) but the sample size is too small so you'll likely get different results each time.
@matthewbermudez4061
@matthewbermudez4061 2 жыл бұрын
I understand what you’re grasping at but the concept and math aren’t concrete. It would be nice if TPCI could provide some official data for some of these sets that they KNOW people will want to collect master sets of. We’re already shelling out so much of our disposable income on pieces of cardboard, I think showing us what we’re getting into is fair.
@Tanjams
@Tanjams 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewbermudez4061 Yeah, totally agree. Im not a statistician or anything and statistics are hard. Mostly just trying to make a napkin sketch comparison to point out we really don't have enough data to know for sure yet, and they "could" be the same. Would be super nice if they just told us.
@matthewbermudez4061
@matthewbermudez4061 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tanjams I bet the transparency would be better for business anyways. Like if I knew the hard odds. I would set a budget and test my luck happily.
@SuperStatch
@SuperStatch 2 жыл бұрын
326 packs opened only got the Aerodactyl and all the Giritina cards minus the alt art. to finish my master set i have to sepnd $800 on singles
@floridajames04
@floridajames04 2 жыл бұрын
But Wazzy your saying rares aren't rares then? Of course they print LESS sheets for the alternate arts harder to find. Makes sense to me!
@dubandpat
@dubandpat 2 жыл бұрын
It's looking like getting an alt art is very close to one per case. A lot harder than getting an alt art v from the likes of evolving skies, but similar to the vmax alt art rate.
@hugbell
@hugbell 2 жыл бұрын
Man I feel like I've had good luck with lost origin. I've pulled the gold GiratinaV I think it was from the 3 pack that I opened. Like I still feel like I had that one off ETB that had insane pulls.
@8r0k3n1
@8r0k3n1 2 жыл бұрын
i did find the pull rates lower than in Brillant stars, especially for trainer Gallery and Ultra rares. However was super lucky and pulled the Giratina Alt in my 3rd (out of 4) booster box. Also even though I would have liked another of each I did pull more giratina than other mons (sadly still not enough for deck).
@cruzito201000
@cruzito201000 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled that Meowth 1/1080 and the Charizard… the Cat is going to be scary in the tournament I’m excited 😆
@AsianMacAdventures
@AsianMacAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
We hit 3 alt art in 1 case, I read when you buy a case and lucky enough to hit 1, there are more in the other boxes. I tried that theory and I can confirm it’s true.
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
Thats not how that works
@matthewbermudez4061
@matthewbermudez4061 2 жыл бұрын
This is too low of a sample size to make this assumption. You’d need thousands of booster boxes.
@millionso_o4194
@millionso_o4194 2 жыл бұрын
I pulled 2 Gold Pikachu VMAX out of one Lost Origins 3-pack blister.
@danielchrysalis6554
@danielchrysalis6554 2 жыл бұрын
Well i know the best pack I’ve opened so far had Opal f.a. In the reverse holo slot & misfortune sisters f.a in the rare slot. I thought that was interesting. But the hit rates seem way better in this set than the last two.
@memenazi7078
@memenazi7078 2 жыл бұрын
Their logic: I just pulled aerodactyl vstar and giratina vstar amd eternatus vmax in 1 etb they must be 1/8 chance each! :D
@e2_earthfarmer655
@e2_earthfarmer655 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the special art evaluation is incorrect. This is because each alt art is about 1/900 so pulling any alt art would be about 4/900 or 1/225.
@ingemarmartin246
@ingemarmartin246 Жыл бұрын
What kind of math lessons did you learn?
@mikedickson6362
@mikedickson6362 2 жыл бұрын
I just started collecting for my son he is 3. I bought a booster box and a week later I bought 2 more from someone selling on the site .the 2 came first did good got the 2 gold mew and pikachu in one box and yesterday I finally got my first order and got Giratina v was stunned 👍
@matthewbermudez4061
@matthewbermudez4061 2 жыл бұрын
At least someone is pulling something good😂. Check out the rest of the comment section my friend, we’re enraged.
@gonzoswunks
@gonzoswunks 2 жыл бұрын
i pulled that rainbow giratina in my first booster box and the pikachu vmax in a booster bundle. no alt arts tho. Pull rates are an impossible thing to measure. you can get an idea like how bad chilling reign was, but everyones rates will always be different.
@robbyhaunts
@robbyhaunts 2 жыл бұрын
I think out of 32 packs I pulled 2 golds, 1 full art, 3 VStars, 2 radiants, 3 trainer galleries, the one Vmax and 3 Vs. My brother opened like 15 packs and pulled the gold giratina and the rotom alt art.
@robbyhaunts
@robbyhaunts 2 жыл бұрын
I just view it all as blind luck lol
@DINGBAWZ
@DINGBAWZ 2 жыл бұрын
I opened 8 boxes and pulled 1 roton and 1 persercker. Didn't get the other 2.
@wojo9732
@wojo9732 2 жыл бұрын
I literally pulled that perserker (40 doller one) last night in a 6 pack booster box. Ive prolly only opened 35 packs of lost origin to date.
@saml2621
@saml2621 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wouldn't believe those pull rates for the main set alt arts either. The fact they are stating that the four of them have different pull rates seems completely pointless in the first place, but also when you are talking about odds between 1/664 and 1/1080, any slightly reliable information would still require a decent quantity pulled (sample size). So for example say we want a (perfectly reasonable) sample size of 50 cards, even using the lowest rate they have stated of 1/665, they would have to theoretically open at least 33,250 packs and be recording the rates along the way......highly doubt anyone has done that.
@nightmarex1
@nightmarex1 2 жыл бұрын
I think the distribution of alts is not right in the booster boxes at least it seem like it could be a manufacturer error, their was a post on reddit pokemontcg that did over like 2000 packs and didn't even get one alt in them which is crazy. And just saw on twitter someone was able to pull two tina from one booster i thought that not possible to get the same alt in a booster i thought one usually is different if you get mult alts in a box.
@dankarl5824
@dankarl5824 2 жыл бұрын
Lost origin code cards changed. I had a 3 pack checklane from target, all three had black borders and didn’t get a single hit (trainer gallery, holo, v card, vmax, alt art, etc.) such bs
@amenrob3038
@amenrob3038 2 жыл бұрын
1 booster box, 1 build and battle, 3 booster bundles, 1 etb.... 19 Solid hits total.. 19:66 I have a very hard time believing any pull rather information when i have been pulling cards like this. thats basically 1:3 packs for a V, Vmax, TG, Rainbow or Gold at the rate ive pulled in such a small amount of packs
@cal8665
@cal8665 2 жыл бұрын
People demanded they printed more and put more product in stores so they did, now that they increased supply their TCG products have been sitting in stores because people pull what they want and stop buying. They lowered rates on chase cards so people buy as much as they can chasing them and now you can’t find lost origins in stores, it’s business. As a collector I’m cool with it, my shiny cardboard is actually rare now, as a person who isn’t rich, this sucks 😂
@ic7846
@ic7846 2 жыл бұрын
Mine were ok. 2 radiant cards, 1 v card, 1 character rare and 1 vstar from 11 packs
@nelticeshorts
@nelticeshorts 2 жыл бұрын
Dang PokeRev must of had super bad luck he streamed and opened 2600 packs and never got the Aerodactyl V alt art
@davosaconti1309
@davosaconti1309 2 жыл бұрын
I personally open 7 case of origin. That 42 box. I only got 4 AA in total. I very sure 100% per case is not garantee an AA.
@bennguyen9202
@bennguyen9202 Жыл бұрын
7 cases? you must have A LOT of money!
@davosaconti1309
@davosaconti1309 Жыл бұрын
@@bennguyen9202 not really I only buy a lot to degen during the first 3-5 days of set launch and sell everything to profit from it. It works for me always.
@cletus1691
@cletus1691 2 жыл бұрын
There is no way to know exact pull rates, I got the rotom v and Giratina v alt arts in one case of booster boxes
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
Pokemon can tell us, so there is a way to know
@Bradachin
@Bradachin 2 жыл бұрын
Well I failed to pull a single giratina or zoroark in 80 packs. We will see how my next 72 packs go tomorrow.
@daviebroy9174
@daviebroy9174 2 жыл бұрын
Wossy, your math is off at 6:30. If each card is 1 out of 900 packs you would pull on average 4 in 900 since their are 4 of them total. That would mean 1 out of every 6 boxes or so. Now I could be wrong but I believe that is correct. Any opinions people?
@daviebroy9174
@daviebroy9174 2 жыл бұрын
After watching a 2nd time, I may have misunderstood what you were saying.
@bmc2423
@bmc2423 2 жыл бұрын
I got so luck in this set pulled all 4 alt arts in the first 150 packs.
@MLdarknightmare
@MLdarknightmare 2 жыл бұрын
You'll probably have to open atleast 100k maybe even a million packs to determine averages for these insanely rare cards
@Rayquaza894
@Rayquaza894 2 жыл бұрын
They did….
@MLdarknightmare
@MLdarknightmare 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rayquaza894 no he said 8k in the video
@Mr.MimeisFrench
@Mr.MimeisFrench 2 жыл бұрын
No one is rushing to buy a perserrker... popularity has a heavier effect than pull rates
@Ptcgradio
@Ptcgradio 2 жыл бұрын
Talked about this in the previous video. This was specifically about pull rates :)
@Rossbrian1
@Rossbrian1 2 жыл бұрын
How many times do I have to explain this??? EVERY main set has the EXACT same pull rates!! Unless you open a million packs (prob more) you're just guessing then
@PokemonZed
@PokemonZed 2 жыл бұрын
I cant even pull a v card out of a 6 pack booster box, they are all hard to pull.
@Angryeddie14
@Angryeddie14 2 жыл бұрын
Good mornin y’all!
@Nygon08
@Nygon08 2 жыл бұрын
the way i see it is unless you open like 500k-1m packs its not gonna be that accurate
@memenazi7078
@memenazi7078 2 жыл бұрын
Also whatever the rainbow rare giratina pull rate is, it’s clearly an outlier and they don’t know statistics. Everyone’s just taking pull rates from large pack openings as if they’re the actual rate? While the intellectuals are putting patterns together and taking into consideration the extreme randomness, as well as the thought process of the company.
@gumpbrave
@gumpbrave 2 жыл бұрын
At beginning of video. Please oh please tell me our champion talks abt meaninful conclusions and sample sizes that are like 0.001 % of the total population. Edit: you never let me down mate. Pull rate fomo is even more insidious than using psa 10 price as the "value" of every card pulled during a stream
@Qpokelypse
@Qpokelypse 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a pain in the ass to pull the mons on the fucking pack let alone the 🔥
@Rainwolfgaming562
@Rainwolfgaming562 2 жыл бұрын
At my prerelease I went up against 3 alt so ya they really aren’t that hard to pull but they look amazing
@youcanthandlemyname7393
@youcanthandlemyname7393 2 жыл бұрын
they are literally one out of every 2-3 cases lol. i think thats pretty hard to pull
@elcidcampeador9629
@elcidcampeador9629 2 жыл бұрын
I do not understand what you are saying about pokemon not deliberately making some cards harder to pull than others. Obviously that is true, or we would all have multiple moonbreons in our collection. It is not as difficult as you think. On their printers, they likely have different programs for each art card. They simply designate a number of prints for each card. So, if they print a billion cards for a set, and they want moonbreon to be a 1/2000 pack pull, they print 50,000 of them. I am sure they take into account both sides of the business, the young kids who are just excited to have whatever pokemon cards are out there, and the picky collectors who buy box after box looking to complete a set.
@mrcluckers1279
@mrcluckers1279 2 жыл бұрын
I know it’s random but I literally opened 3 packs and packed a gold pikachu lmao
@SB-ki3jw
@SB-ki3jw 2 жыл бұрын
I opened a etb recently and got almost nothing
@timeshadow5837
@timeshadow5837 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a lot of rare cards there
@12163498
@12163498 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve opened 35 lost origin pks, not giratina no aroydactle.
@alexyahardwick7442
@alexyahardwick7442 Жыл бұрын
Pulled a gold Tina in 20 packs
@Chubbytoad12
@Chubbytoad12 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I've opened 199 packs and got 2 aerodactyl alt
@jamesjames2764
@jamesjames2764 2 жыл бұрын
thats straight cap lmao I pulled the Alt Art Rotom in my first booster box and the Giratina Alt Art and the Golden Pikachu on my second booster box lmao I literally only bought two booster boxes so far and pulled those two instantly
@yaboismashing5066
@yaboismashing5066 2 жыл бұрын
You realize that yugioh does short prints right? They been doing this for years
@guydoodson3714
@guydoodson3714 2 жыл бұрын
TURN ME UP WOSSY
@gigiizzy5651
@gigiizzy5651 2 жыл бұрын
Lol at all the people who actually believed the Aeordactyl was in any way shape or form any harder to get than the others, all of these aren't that rare compared to secrets.
@Vimzaz42
@Vimzaz42 2 жыл бұрын
And yet buyers are still paying these ridiculously inflated prices for the thing. smh
@harveylocklear9444
@harveylocklear9444 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda ridiculous. Bought over 800 bucks of product for only a rotom alt art chase.
@charlieball6930
@charlieball6930 2 жыл бұрын
Hi I have subscribed
@nathanwhitsett6919
@nathanwhitsett6919 2 жыл бұрын
It's frustrating to see how statistics is sorta mishandled in the hobby. The logical thing to do would be to sum all the counts that Pokerev and TCG Player got for each card and divide by the sum of all packs. The values from that sum will be more representative than either of their individual samples, that's just basic statistics
@shippoprecordings
@shippoprecordings 2 жыл бұрын
Just a few points, Pokemon has various outlets through which it sells countless products; they will put their brand on anything. The Fantastic Four shelving could be equated to the way that certain Pokemon were "shelved" in the SwSh games. They're not gone, just cycled out. Additionally, making the statement that they don't make certain cards more difficult to pull is entirely the point of these ultra rare cards, the numbers literally bear it out. Also falling back on "it's mostly kids buying single packs" is a very simplistic and strawman-y argument coming from an adult who knows very well that is not exactly true, and if it is, please provide data. Just saying, it's gross when you blatantly shill, we still love ya tho.
@professorburch
@professorburch 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish the Pokémon company would stop color coding the code cards so as soon as you see that white boarder your not instantly disappointed. Make the code cards uniform TPCI!
@rocketfriends8220
@rocketfriends8220 2 жыл бұрын
I dont actually mind alt arts being extremely rare. I think they should be that hard to pull otherwise everyone would have them and they wouldnt be special
@youcanthandlemyname7393
@youcanthandlemyname7393 2 жыл бұрын
keep in mind kids collect cards too and making them this rare pretty much Denys the experience to kids. also they could make it so its super hard to get all the alt arts while still making it some what easy to get alt arts if they just add more alt arts to the set. and lets be honest they could add as many alt arts they want to these sets. all it would take is them taking some of the common card artwork and putting it on a full art card. evo skies had alt arts in about 1 in every 2-3 boxes which is like 4 times better pull rates than lost origins but despite that getting all the alt arts in evo skies is just as if not more difficult because of how many there are.
@danieljstanley5547
@danieljstanley5547 2 жыл бұрын
imagine buying 6 packs and getting a tina alt art :P hehe *happy man here*
@Symbolicate
@Symbolicate 2 жыл бұрын
i got 3 giratinas and a rotem from 2 and a half cases.. 2 giratinas were in the half case , im a lucky mf
@JarrydRLee
@JarrydRLee 2 жыл бұрын
It is shameful that the Pokemon Company does not disclose the exact odds of pulls in these sets. I'm surprised the EU hasn't banned their sale given how they treat loot boxes in virtual games.
@kendallmcmanus6241
@kendallmcmanus6241 2 жыл бұрын
I think they're backwards
@xKiquex1
@xKiquex1 2 жыл бұрын
Pokerev didn't just decide, oh I'm going to make Aerodactyl v al art the rarest card in the set. He literally did a LIVE stream if him opening 2600 packs. If that's not proof then idk what to tell you.
@TheJuliabla
@TheJuliabla 2 жыл бұрын
of course they do it on purpuse, because we bare buying ii, it's not the same pleasure to find it than to buy it, and they know that well, . if not tell me why the Japanese buyer have a lot mor god pull?.Thye don't have any respect in europe and usa for other. have you received a mail from pokemon company? if it was really random you will have so much more pull.
@kedamono9212
@kedamono9212 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, but you are dead wrong about target demographic. Look at alternate art card prices from XY and sun and moon sets. Now look at them in the modern era where adults are the primary collectors now. there is a huuuuge leap in difficulty pulling full arts and alternate arts now. you have too much faith in multibillion dollar companies.
@PacManD3
@PacManD3 2 жыл бұрын
if someone has the $ to open 2,600 packs and doesn't pull the card they want. Then complains about it, you're a spoiled brat imo.
@radzio7214
@radzio7214 2 жыл бұрын
The f... up this set.
@RAM_C5
@RAM_C5 2 жыл бұрын
Nice made up opinion. Not correct, but entertaining.
@samuelsimku4272
@samuelsimku4272 2 жыл бұрын
WOSSY YOU ARE TO OLD FOR THIS 😬
@stompkiller6370
@stompkiller6370 2 жыл бұрын
Hey always a amazing video where can I send a photo of the pulls from 2 boosters of lost origin ?? So you can make please a video and explain how it is possible please Instagram Facebook. Tnx for all the good info as always 💯
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