Lotus Emira Ownership Reflections (versus Porsche Boxster GTS 4.0)

[@Throttle.Monkey]

It honestly sounds like you’re spiralling. I think enjoy the cars you have and accept them for what they are instead of constantly comparing to others. I’ve been in the same head space before and it ruins the ownership experience. Maybe in a few years have a look to swap/add to the collection but for now I’d focus on what you have and try not to compare every car you review. My two cents.

[@jubbalandcars]

Did you watch the full video? I’m clearly very happy with the Emira on street. Comparing and reviewing cars is literally the point of this channel.

[@Throttle.Monkey]

@@jubbalandcarsYes, I watched the full video and enjoyed it. I’m just pointing out enjoying your personal car in isolation without measuring it against any competitor can be therapy.

[@jubbalandcars]

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[@dino_will_win]

@@jubbalandcars Problems with being a perfectionist. But if there were no perfectionists, there would no Apple like companies, no porsches, no Honds NSXs

[@jackson5068]

@@jubbalandcars no need to get defensive. Your buddy fenton is a much better reviewer. More clear / less wishy-washy

[@dennisthewalker]

In my opinion, at the end of the day... Miata is the answer. ;) Is a common thing where many previous Miata owners traded in their Miata for a Porsche and then go back to it later for a ND.

[@redcarrot1148]

That's usually because they bought the wrong Porsche ; ). ND2 Miata owner here myself 😀

[@dennisthewalker]

@redcarrot1148 I never really investigated why and from what car but I think most of them most likely got the Caymen or 911? Which one do you have? And what do you like and dislike compare to Miata?

[@Jabin04]

Miata is the answer, until you upgrade to the Lotus Exige, and then Mclaren. All three are super light cars that are amazing on track. Porsches are getting too street friendly for my taste.

[@americanAlienBoy]

@@redcarrot1148 I love ND2 Miatas. With some inexpensive suspension tweaks, they are literally a scalpel on track. So, there are moments when I question my purchase of a GTS 4.0 over saving a *lot* of money with a lightly modded ND2. Then I wind the F out of it, hit a couple of turns where I can really feel the way a mid-engined car rotates, and I think, "Nah, I'm good." I am debating a cheap NB or NC, and setting it up for rallycross...

[@redcarrot1148]

@@americanAlienBoy I can relate. I have Xida coilovers on mine along with underbody braces. They helped make a great car even better

[@mwm33333]

I left a 992 GTS for an Emira. Modified the Emira a lot -- 3rd cat delete, tune, lightweight battery, lowered.. I love the Emira more as its very very connected far more fufilling to drive. The car becomes an extension of you. Modern porsches (911's that I've had) are more capable but are pretty boring to drive. My 992 was incredible at going over 100 mph. But muted and kinda boring otherwise. Heck, the emira is fun to CHANGE LANES IN at 50 mph. :)

[@mrmonday42]

S2K and 991.2 GT3 would be a perfect garage. Although I'm not sure the S2K is that much of an upgrade from your ND3. The engine is, but I would argue that the rest of the package is better on the ND3.

[@joshuathompson8474]

Nah, the ND3 is simply faster. It should be; it's like comparing an MGB to an S2000. A lot of improvements happen in 20 years.

[@JWTDO]

I was making the same decision between a GTS 4.0 vs Emira a little over a year ago. Ended up with the Boxster GTS 4.0 with manual transmission. No regrets at all! Only thing I felt the Lotus had over the Boxster was the exterior design. Otherwise I think it's hard to beat the much more emotional engine, superior build quality, and confident handling. Much respect to all Emira owners, however, as I feel you have to be an enthusiast to even be making the choice!

[@aaronbryan5095]

At that price point I'd also definitely take the GTS 4.0, mainly because it feels like a car that has been developed and manufactured by a company that has money, meanwhile the Emira still has a bit of that built in a shed feel that Lotuses always have. If we go much further down the price range I would go for the Supra.

[@apolloandratti7922]

Agree with the S2000 + 991.2 GT3 combo. Or a GT4 first as the next step before the GT3: you will enjoy it more on track and it’s good enough on the street/weekend car in spite on the long gearing. The experience of owning an Emira will serve you well in narrowing down that perfect formula of what you really value in a car.

[@MacellaioNero]

If the issue he has with the 4.0 Boxster is that it feels too planted and composed on street, then the GT4 is just the same problem but worse (and I say that as an owner). It's not really "good enough" on the street - like most modern Porsches, it's too good. Too competent, too serious, they just want to grip and go. They're a dream to anyone who prefers that, and a hoot at 9-10 tenths on a track, but they are not playful like a Miata or an Emira. A GT3 gets away with it's serious handling because the engine is genuinely fizzy, but a GT4 can't cheat the system in the same way. Great track cars, but not at all what this guy seems to be looking for based on the vid.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@MacellaioNero cayman gt4 is absolutely not a hoot at 9-10 tenths on track. They are not good at the limit Gt3 is whole other game though

[@MacellaioNero]

​@@maximborodyuk3773 Thanks for your terrible comment. "NAH, YOU'RE WRONG, AND NO, I WON'T BOTHER TO EXPLAIN WHY!" ?? What's wrong with you? They're great at the limit - linear, predictable, and communicative. That's why they're so popular among track enthusiasts (see: any day of the week at the Nordschleife) - but they do need a proper alignment to compensate for the weaknesses of the MacPherson strut suspension design (as do most generations of GT3). Maybe you just drove a shit one with factory alignment (e.g. most of them). Or maybe you haven't driven one at all and are just talking bullshit.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@MacellaioNero what to explain to you? Someone would not make such an ignorant comment to being with. They're anything but linear,predictable and communicative. You can't overcome strut limitations, it's physically impossible - as unlike 911, it has it both front&rear. They're popular not because of a single reason. I drove race prepped cayman S & GT4 & GT4 Clubsport (factory race car). Sufficient enough? Did you actually drive them on the limit and compare to other platforms? Almost any decent sportscar is better once you sufficiently track prep them (not comparing apples to oranges).

[@MacellaioNero]

@@maximborodyuk3773 You drove three RACE prepped 718s and found them hard to handle on limit??? 1) that's not what we're talking about. Race prepped and track prepped road cars aren't the same thing. You ARE comparing apples to oranges. 2) sounds like driver skill issue, sorry. If they were shit race cars, they wouldn't be frequent series winners. As for struts, no you can't completely overcome strut limitations, but you can minimise the disadvantages with proper setup and geometry. Can you get them to handle as well as any generation of GT3? Not in my experience, no - multilink rear is superior. But you can get them to be linear, predictable, and communicative with very little effort. I've driven every generation of GT3 on track, and owned a 718 Spyder for 3 years. I'm not a pro, but I do have a pretty wide band of experience, I've driven track prepped Miatas, spec series BMWs, purpose built one off track cars, Ginettas, Caterhams, and plenty more. All on track. By comparison to any of them, I'd argue my Spyder from factory was mediocore at the limit, pushing in most corners, putting way too much heat into the tyres from a pretty obvious lack of camber that the platform is known for (and is what you expect of any modern road car from factory, for safety, including GT3s). Proper alignment solved 90% of the problem - and mods to enable additional suspension adjustability (top plates, toe links) dailed in most of the last 10%. It's not a perfect platform by any means, I wouldn't want to race them, struts will always be a limiting factor due to the camber curve. But, you can absolutely get them to be fun and predictable at 9/10 tenths. You throwing a tantrum and telling me "NO YOU JUST IGNORANT, BLAH BLAH" is just pointless. I've LIVED it. I've DONE it. You may as well tell me food doesn't taste good, or the sky isn't blue.

[@jonpaxk]

dude you need to upgrade your emira with jubu ecu and make 7200rpm and put pagid pad + new brake fluid it will be a weapon on the track too my friend just had a jubu ecu upgrade and its completely different car

[@DriverMD23]

Agree - knowing your use case and priorities. Right now I’ve have a Miata BBR paired with my mk7.5 GTI DSG, each has its own purpose. I keep thinking about the emira, but the Miata is enough of an event/date night car to fill my current needs. Also, per @everyday driver don’t put the pressure on a car purchase that it is going to be a forever car, things change, taste change, use case changes and there’s probably a car that fits the bill better. Right car, for the right purpose at the right time (adapted from what I tell my patients - right surgery for the right patient at the right time). Love the content man

[@Rex_Racer]

Know what else isn’t good on track? Dino 246, McLaren F1, Lamborghini Miura (and Countach), and many, many more desirable cars. They are enjoyable on the street, look fantastic- just not track cars. That’s ok!!!!

[@redcarrot1148]

I test drove an Emira around this time last year. I, too, hit the rev limiter (twice) in my brief drive. The tach graphic is definitely lagging behind actual RPM - have to go by sound. Speaking of which, the SC's banshee-like scream made me want to keep the throttle planted as the RPM climbed only to hit the limiter wall seemingly prematurely. Still a great car though. Also agree that it's a great street car but too quirky for track performance if lapse time means anything to the driver.

[@JordanPayneLV]

You live right down the road from me, that construction on Fort Apache is endless! Good take on the differences between the cars; I have a 981 S and love it, I love it so much that I don’t know what to replace it with. I have the 991.2 base model on my mind but idk! If you make it out to gears and grinds sometime, I’ll look out for ya!

[@sujanpoudel2]

I haven’t driven a Boxster, but I do own a Cayman S. You’re absolutely right-street driving feels a bit "meh" to me, but it truly shines on the track. For fun on the streets, I’d much rather drive an S2000 than the Cayman.

[@lorenzonencioni4135]

The fact that this car is enjoyable at low speed, why you think is the case? Is a reason of chassis or steering communication? Higher perceived speeds? The ability to relax and enjoying the inputs or something else? I personally dig this characteristic that add a lot to the driving experience.

[@TheOrangeEliseCup250]

Your Emira is very particular, exotic , rare , the engine sounds great & the design is amazing, she looks like any other. It' s a Lotus🥰👏💪 , maybe the last great one😉

[@meen28]

Enjoy the Emira. Each car is different in their own way and this is what makes each brand so unique. Porsche and Lotus offer different driving experiences for each individual. I've driven many Porsches but I preferred an Emira instead. To each is their own

[@RobCartwright-y8q]

I have both cars and agree with your observations. The Porsche Cayman GTS is like a swiss watch. pretty flawless. The Lotus has some quirks and reliability issues. My GTS is now my daily driver, but the Emira is just more fun.

[@andrewgoodger8843]

First off I've always loved Porsche, and I've owned an S2000 for 7 years.... the promise of Emira was superb. It IS a beautiful thing, inside and out. Reviews have waxed lyrical about its handling, performance and dynamics... I personally decided on a Spyder because I wanted an open top. But had I wanted a coupe I'd still have gone for a Porsche, and my decision would still have been supported by the fact of a seriously compromised production run for the Emira, the issues that owners are facing are numerous and that's born out by recent job cuts in England sadly. The Emira SHOULD have been a total sell out swansong before the Chinese EV onslaught. A sign off for analogue excellence. But British production quality control has undermined that. I am happy that others take the plunge though as I get to look at it which is always a win, but for me...a 981 Spyder offers everything I seek.

[@DantManDantMan]

Really great assessment. But in my situation I own a Porsche icon and a Turbo Cayenne , and don’t want to spend more Porsche money for another Porsche model that everyone in their momma has an iteration of , the spyder just another rendition of the basic one (but let’s be clear a super coolio and more special and more rare - no doubt and 2x cost ) - but with some very fancy and special flourishes . So nothing but love for your personal choice , I own a 930 turbo , Porsche has introduced 100s of fancy newer models , but all those buyers still have unlimited love for my 930 , and I feel no need to ever replace it with a newer turbo model .. Similar feeling about my Ducati Monster 900 sie - both master pieces of motoring iconic-ness . This Emira is and also will be over time . Like the 007 Bond Lotus esprit

[@iiroyalty2519]

If you've gotten to experience the spyder a bit, how is it? A 981 spyder seems like an attainable and perfect sports car for me to strive for, but I'd love to hear how it really is from an owner's perspective.

[@andrewgoodger8843]

@@iiroyalty2519 weak points - steering lacks feel. Gearing is long (85mph in 2nd) Strong points - everything else. Steering is compensated for by a laser guided chassis utterly sublime. Hearing has not stopped me loving using it and extending the revs, I am not drawn to aftermarket gear ratios. Interior design is timeless, I’ve updated with CarPlay. Carbon buckets with a riser are superb. Exterior design is on point too I’ve added GT4 splitter and side scoops. Performance is more than enough. I’ve added brombacher ecu tune and now have 320hp per tonne Noise and character are on another level. It’s rare too so a safe place for your money. There is VERY little not to like 😊

[@iiroyalty2519]

@andrewgoodger8843 Sounds like you really enjoy it. I'll definitely strive to own one at some point in the future. Hope yours continues to be great for you so you can enjoy it for many years to come!

[@parkman8595]

Personally, and as I say this as a previous Lotus owner and still a fan, I think the Emira was a little over hyped because it looks so good and it's not as common as a Porsche. Over and over people would say "oh a Porsche is boring, they're a dime a dozen, get something unique and pure like a Lotus that feels special", but in terms of how they actually drive, you're not gonna top a GT car.. and apart from steering feedback, the Lotus is inferior in every way. If someone has a problem with how a modern GT car drives, it's the driver, not the car imo. I would keep Miata, but swap Emira for GT3. Miata is whimsical & fun, GT3 is engineering precision. Good balance imo.

[@jubbalandcars]

“If someone bas a problem with how a modern GT car drives, it’s the driver” Strongly disagree with that statement I love 991 and 997 GT3, but they’re not perfect. And GT4 I wouldn’t personally own.

[@parkman8595]

@@jubbalandcars Not trying to be confrontational, my point just being that I think you'll find a lot of discrepancy in opinions based on driver skill level. For example, many forum/comment experts will say over and over that a Cayman/Boxster has a superior chassis to the 911 because of mid-engine balance. While you'll find that people like Patrick Long, pro racing driver, or Randy Pobst, again, pro racing driver, prefer the 911. Heck, when I went from a Boxster to a 911, I felt like the 911 was worse until I figured out how to properly drive it. I felt like I was a good driver before, that I had mastered trailbraking, when in fact, I very much hadn't. Took me forever practicing with the GT3 Cup Car on iRacing, and now, I can certainly understand why people will say a 911 understeers, especially older ones, but a properly set up and driven 991 or newer, imo doesn't. It's all in loading up that front and bravery on corner entry. I think a Cayman/Boxster is easier on the street though, where you really can't truly go 10/10ths. I think that's why Walter Röhrl said the GT4 was better on canyons.

[@jubbalandcars]

I see where you’re coming from and yes 911 need to be driven to minimize understeer with RR balance. The 991 McPherson strut front suspension however is a notable limitation. I’m willing to overlook it and I still adore the car, but I maintain my point that none of these GT cars are perfect

[@cultofmodernism8477]

Doesn't seem like you're interested in keeping this car

[@AllIsWell_22]

You really should drive a SS/1LE or a ZL1/1LE for your channel. The driving Gods have blessed those with the Alpha chassis. Best part - you don’t need to be precious with them. Legends. Look up the ZL1/1LE Nurburgring lap.

[@iiroyalty2519]

I second this. I daily a ss 1le and it is truly amazing. Definitely worth a shot as they are fun, capable, and can absolutely handle some abuse.

[@dBsdecibels]

Can't comment on the Emira, as I've yet to drive one. But having driven several Caymans and 911s, I agree on your comparison. The Cayman / Boxster is both incredibly capable and sedate. The 911 is so playful by comparison. I went with the 911 and don't regret it.

[@emersonward7632]

I also have an Emira and just tracked it at Willow Springs. I am not super experienced on track, and was pretty impressed with it even when pushing it basically as hard as my abilities could handle (though I also had issues with 3rd gear). But then I took my friends 992 Carrera T for some laps, and damn. It felt really good. I've driven GT3's before (not on track) and basically can't get it out of my head. My next move is a GT3. So, I feel ya man.

[@jedifar]

Fellow ex 86 Miata owner, now current Evora owner. Sorry to hear about your experience but I think you should continue to give it a few more chances before deciding. While not exactly like the emira, I've been casually tracking the Evora past 3 years with stock pads and have found the car to be very potent on track and capable of hanging with some of the higher class faster/race cars. In fact, I pretty much felt the exact opposite as you...while yes the shifting needs some care but the pads are plenty and the car has good consistent pace and felt agile and quick, I had a ton more fun on the track compared to the street and will never go back to a miata/86. I'll say that I went to the UK recently and did the official Lotus track experience and drove their Emira on the hethel track...it was very familiar to the evora but felt a bit more heavier and sluggish but still a very capable track car (mind you, they didn't let us put it in race mode) What I'd suggest is flushing your trans fluid and putting in some better fluids like Motul 300 75w90 (not LS), that should highly improve the shifting on track (as it did for me) and adjust your shifting to be more gentle and it'll work with you, which will obviously take time to get used to but will result in a far better experience. Its interesting you overheated your pads as thats the first I'm hearing of it but the emira is a bit heavier, regardless, you can upgrade the pads to something more track focused but Lotus engineers have discouraged that because of ABS calibration but plenty of owners have made the upgrade. No need to worry about oil temps as the car has sufficient cooling. Other than that, you don't really anything else, its great as is out of the box. Unless you're really serious about track duty and plan to go more track oriented, I'd encourage you to keep trying it out and I'm sure you'll grow to love the car.

[@Slowster]

Very interesting. While I disagree with some parts of your Emira reviews, I 100% agree it boils down to priorities. Emira is a stunning looking car that one could drive out of the dealer’s lot in 2024, there really isn’t anything out there comparable. It also is a very comfortable car for public roads. I do think it’s more of a car that is great when driven at 0 to 6 or 7 out of 10th. Porsches in general are more for running at the higher part of the window when you drive it at 5 to 10 of 10. There are a number of distractions on the Emira, mainly to do with the inputs (shifter and the 3 pedals) feeling somewhat soft/vague/non-linear/not direct. These are less apparent at lower speeds, or in fact, more suitable for lower speeds. I am a little surprised many feel the engine is great, as it was one of the main frustrations I had (particularly the low redline). Anyway, I am not even sure if one could get a new 982 Cayman/Boxster anymore. So Emira is the only one left. Emira still is a great car on its own. I am not so sure if the non-GT Porsche cars are entirely great on track either. It’s more of a question of what part of car’s potential range are you placing the emphasis on to - note I am not saying road vs track. Putting the reliability part aside, the Porsche cars are more of a product that responds to the driver’s input very well, but uses the less-than-ideal setup. Porsche does not have the racing “tub”, doesn’t use double wishbone suspension, and moved to an electric rack. Porsches are just much less unique; they are everywhere, and they broadly look the same. All that said, buying used does support some of the manufacturers. Positive ownership experience reviews fuel used car prices and overall sentiment. This shows up in used parts sales and services. As far as 991.2 GT3 goes, that’s just a whole new ball of wax. It is a car double in price vs Emira’s, and likely go down in history as one of the best modern driver’s car - much like the 997.2 GT3s. Unfortunately it’s “only another 911”. It won’t be unique for anyone looking to be a non-conformist.

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

I’m still waiting to see/feel what all the fuss is about with Porsche. I thought the GR86 would be life changing but it’s really just a small sports car with decent levels of grip, good size, predicated weight transfer characteristics, stale brake pads, and a not so fun to use clutch with rev hang.

[@ruturaj47]

If you own a GR86, disconnect clutch sensor, that improves on rev hang. Take it to track days, I have seen last gen with 50 less HP keep up with Porsche Caymans, it's about building skills.

[@andressmith1414]

My dad has cayman GT4 it is so much f***ing fun on the street. It definitely revs higher than you would expect and that definitely adds to the experience. Kevin you need a GT4 or GT4rs if you want pdk insanity

[@MW-gi1tr]

2024 Cayman GTS 6mt owner here. not going to throw down about what is better but for me, and I've driven both, i will just disagree with u on street usage. i have owned so many sport cars over the years and have a few currently. The GTS 4.0 with the tall gears and superb ballance is am absolute laugh factory to drive on the street. that's all.

[@dadsoddjobs4355]

It can’t be such a bad thing if your ideal replacement for the Emira is a secondhand Porsche that costs twice as much. What an endorsement for the Lotus!

[@jubbalandcars]

It’s amazing on street

[@Zach-sq1gs]

Funny, because a new GTS 4.0 and Emira start at the same price.

[@Spitfire260193]

My suggestion before you move on from the Miata, dial it in properly. My ND2 lacked engine character until i fitted a sound tube mod (best cheapest mod ever) / deleted the mid pipe and aftermarketed back box and had a custom tune by Clear Motorsports - this guy is obsessed with ND engines, even developed tunes for versatuner (would be nice to do a Collab video showing the tune process 😊) Car feels so much more lively, revs to 7500 in all gears and pulls more everwhere. Then consider better bracing- ebay do a cheap rear brace for £60 which you can install yourself.

[@Closertotruth2]

FWIW I’ve owned a 991.2 GT3 Touring, other 911s, NC, ND2, and others. Current garage includes 718 Spyder, 718 Box GTS 4.0 and Emira, all manuals. IMO the Spyder is my favorite to drive, the Box 4.0 is the best daily, the Emira is the prettiest though the Spyder is beautiful as well. The Emira will be the first one to leave my garage. The Spyder is much more fun on the street than the GT3 Touring which is why the GT3 is gone.

[@ruturaj47]

S2000 is just too old to replace a new Miata imo. Gt3 is definitely the better choice, on paper I really like boxster GTS 4.0, I like the idea of 3000 pound convertible (but you already have one). If I ever bought one, I would certainly get aftermarket shorter gearing on it.

[@chrisplummer9639]

Agreed! How do you feel about the Evora? GT or 400 in this use case? As i have a G87 M2 and its great on track and doesn't bat an eye to multiple 10/10ths session out here at the Ridge but on my back roads, it's just is too heavy to get interesting besides "oversteer on demand" lol Caymans are a lightweight option tho, no soul unless ringing it out, and too clinical... Its my second vehicle so practically is whatever, and i know i know, caterham is where its at, but it rains too much up here in the PNW 🌧

[@jonathanknight8251]

A set of Nitron one-way adjustable dampers took my 3rd gen Elise’s handling to a new level. The stock Bilsteins are pretty cheap and cheesy. I got a much more planted car with very noticeable gains in sharpness, responsiveness and grip. Initially, the ride was a bit too firm for the street, so they revalved them for a nominal charge. Nitron recently set up shop in the US to be able to offer this service. I recommend watching the interview with their CEO on Inokinetic’s KZbin channel.

[@EverydayEmira]

My only issue on track was getting into 2nd on hard downshifts. Brakes, chassis, and engine felt great. The total package of this car is still ideal for me. The GTS 4.0 seems pedestrian in comparison.

[@helleri2]

Emira needs buckets, more power and coilovers. That will make it a great sports car.

[@Jabin04]

My ideal track car is the 3rd gen lotus exige (if they were legal in the US) and I'm not really sure if I would even want a comfy sports car for the street

[@luckywinner4936]

Did you get a touring suspension or a track suspension? That may have to do a lot with when you drove your car on track?

[@Rex_Racer]

@@luckywinner4936 He has the sport suspension 👍🏻

[@genna544]

I am conflicted as I bought a GR86 for track and street. I love the car for both, but not ideal for trying to do both causing short comings. The real answer I think is to have a dedicated track car and a street car, I think that would solve most problems.

[@patrickbateman7122]

Had GT86, BRZ and now GR86. I f'ing love this car!!! It makes me smile everytime i take it out. Funny i never felt the same with the previous gen...

[@genna544]

@@patrickbateman7122 I'm loving it too. Look back at it every time I get out of it. So fun in the mountains and on track.

[@patrickbateman7122]

@@genna544 i don't track mine here in uk so as a road car i don't need anymore. Yeah can't stop looking at her 🤣👍

[@ruturaj47]

-3 camber or even -4 should be good for dual duty. Get something like xidas which do very well on road and track.

[@BigChungusthe3rd]

why the hell is there no oil temp and pressure, wtf?

[@Zach-sq1gs]

I own a GTS 4.0 and I cross-shopped this car. I think this car is beautiful but disagree with your opinion that the Porsche isn't as beautiful. This car is sexy/hot but the Porsche is timeless. The fact is, you "don't plan on keeping this car forever", because it isn't a Porsche. Both are beautiful cars, but you state opinions like facts. You may be correct the Porsche is "clinical", but when you say the Emira is an "occasion" to drive as if the GTS 4.0 isn't... you are clearly delirious, bro.

[@FierceRamenSlayer]

Looks are subjective. Bigger problem is how most people just parrot off others. Take the Porsche Cayman GT4 as an example. Talk to real tuners and people who actually drive these things on the track. The problem with tall gearing isn’t in 2nd. Somehow everyone became a gearing expert after an influencer spoke to AP and mentioned about tall gearing at the launch interview.

[@Docinaplane]

Why are you comparing a convertible to a hard top car? Compare the Emira to the Cayman GT4?

[@jubbalandcars]

Emira and Cayman GTS 4.0 are direct competitors. But the Boxster 4.0 is what I had access to that day on track

[@Docinaplane]

@@jubbalandcars OK, thx!

[@guitfan1954]

Emira for weekend car and 5-7 year old cayman for track use.. just my opinion

[@Jay-xr3sb]

Gets expensive running two cars. A 981 gt4/spyder should be plenty

[@jamestuber2024]

Predicting Emira is on the way out......

[@Jay-xr3sb]

It sounds like you're coping a little. That gear box doesnt sound fun, the rev limiter kicking in just beofre it screams, the regual lotus faults and now its no good on track. Persinally a 981S does it all for me

[@mattyb1624]

1st gear cuts power at 6500-6600rpm

[@ryanmattson1735]

SRF is the best!

[@simonbussey7530]

If the US market follows the UK market they might be a bargain soon. For whatever reasons they've depreciated heavily here. Auto trader full of nearly new examples with 20-30K off list price.

[@Tifosi5716]

Here’s some raw ugly thoughts about how well a sport car behave on track: most people complain about certain cars are too slow on a track, just to feel better as the owner. They need that track performance “potential”to show off during conversations, and acting like they will constantly go to track, and certainly have the ability to push the car to its limit. However, more than 90% of people online can’t even push a Camry to its limit on track. It is never about rather a car is fast enough, but it’s about rather a car has a performance “potential” to brag in front of others. Just face it, haters, even if one day you finally earned enough cash to purchase your dreaming 992 GT3RS, you still might not earn respect in the track community. Yes, your car is the fastest from all who come to track day, but is your last time the fastest? Ask yourself how much of that laptime is the computer fixing all the mistake you make by hands and foot. And for those who constantly reached goes to track, like those ultimate track rat, they won’t most likely complain about it. There are two ways to choice cars for track duty: 1. Buy a M-power bmw, or Porsche, keep it mostly stock, change paddle, fluid, and tires if necessary, and go enjoy flying lap after lap without worrying about reliability and coolings. You actually end up saving a lot more money than someone trying to use aftermarket parts. 2. Buy the car to love, and use aftermarket parts to fix all the issue. If the engine loves to blows up, buy some parts and swap them before it happens; if it overheats, add cooling; if the suspension is too soft, swapped them out, etc. The bottom line is, people should not look done on someone who choice the second option. We all know M-power and Porsche the the automat choice if you want to experience zero issue. The same way of us knowing do clutch transmission is faster than manual, and also knowing that EVs will soon make all the ICE performance car pointless. Sometime the emotion from a car is more important to some people than the “subjectively best car option”. Some car can be perfect from an engineering perspective, but doesn’t earn the love from car enthusiast. If you understand why Porsche swap out the efficient and fast turbo 4s out of 718, and put an naturally aspirated flat 6 in, you should understand the point of people enjoying Lotus.

[@waltvancourt5052]

Eye exam pal, 718 SPYDER !

[@tizodd6]

@4:43 The Emira looks nice, but the Maserati MC20 has my vote for best looking under $250k😁

[@Naderj44]

Miata is the answer

[@jubbalandcars]

😂

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

V8 is the use case.

[@kcw9313]

Depreciation is going to be a u know what b

[@ryshask]

you probably just need to tune your suspension and get real brakes... yeah the transmission is bad and you need to double clutch toyota trans to shift fast

[@Slowster]

Double clutch on upshift ?

[@kineticU]

Most people can’t afford a weekend sports car nor go to track. Other than dealer and support problems, the look of the Emira is just trying too hard for what it’s not. An older Porsche would be the best all rounder for so many reasons.