Civic Type R vs GR Corolla | Last Chapter, Problems Explained

[@savagegeese]

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[@ASImplename57]

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[@RavnHood]

The music during the incogni ad😂

[@RavnHood]

And now the music during the beginning of the race!😂😂😂😂

[@amonikkiwhite9317]

Hey Guys! I think you should get a BMW 340i. I would love to see it go up against an American v8 sports car. The American can be a two-door v8.

[@JordanReederPhoto]

dude, i would just watch your commercials

[@jaythor7123]

My fiancé saw me watching this now she’s ok to call off our wedding so that we can put that money towards Ohlins dampers for our Rav4

[@jackholmes8105]

God bless

[@antoinewallace8698]

Wild

[@Zygrene]

This is the way

[@savagegeese]

@@jaythor7123 I can connect you with them to do a custom rally spec long stroke damper with external canister for 20k. Chances are in 10 years that long stroke design will out live something as disposible as a first marriage.

[@msmarshall854]

@@savagegeese awesome!

[@churchofbrap876]

Just sold my Arbys stock and returning my kids Christmas toys, paying $12K over sticker for a Type R ! Thank u mark!

[@Promisedland_garage]

lol 😂😂😂😂😂

[@CharlesB46]

Yeah I bought my 2024 GR corolla premium for 39,500 (3K under sticker).

[@QLPJosh]

Today I Learned: Mark is a coward for not wanting to crash into a wall.

[@AngryWalter]

He doesnt wanna ruin his titanium glasses

[@pan4632]

PDK IS HIS LANGUAGE, VIP ALLOCATIONS 🔥

[@MrBlueacara]

Asian persuasion

[@rockino2562]

@@MrBlueacara Business invasion

[@Boguardis]

@@rockino2562 CLOSING DEALS

[@Zygrene]

For what it's worth, my Integra Type S on Endless ME20 pads and Castrol SRF has virtually no brake fade during 20 min sessions as long as I do the pedal dance to disable brake torque vectoring. I'd imagine Mark's FL5 setup with CSG/Endless should perform similarly but the key is turning everything off.

[@layne4376]

Known issue with the platform.

[@savagegeese]

@@Zygrene One of the reasons why we kept it that way here is if everyone bypasses the built in problem Honda wont address it. The other issue is since they chose to cheat and use brakes to rotate vs suspension tuning, with pedal dance the car is far less eager to turn in with brake tq vectoring off.

[@dreamdrivedrift]

@@savagegeese from a ex-FL5 owner, did Honda ever give insight as to why they implemented to a pedal dance to turn off the VSA rather than a button? The FL5 is full of these chicken poop issues that contributed to me selling - FYI - Honda.

[@30hours51]

@@savagegeese There's minimal difference between VSA on or OFF 99% of the time

[@30hours51]

@@dreamdrivedrift did you properly test VSA on your fl5 to say that? In canyons, autocross etc, they feel virtually the same, on or off, on track, well you are going to set up your car anyways, VSA literally does minimal job lol

[@blammers]

"I would like to thank my sponsor: money." I'm definitely going to use that, provided I ever have money again.

[@FreshYoungDude]

More than you can afford pal. Modified Corolla.

[@Rudyelf1]

No! Ménage!

[@NotAnonymousNo80014]

70k Corolla ...

[@Wind_slash0]

Monica!

[@The1.-Jay]

GR COROLLA!! 😡😡

[@ThinkPeace3]

Guys, I've been watching your channel for 5 years and this is one of the most consistent and healthy relationships of my entire life. 😂 -Derek

[@punjabeeplaya]

The song. Chef's kiss.

[@Paulfromwish]

My wife saw I was wearing a Patagonia jacket and she knew a 75k purchase for a FWD 4cyl was coming

[@VBMichael_D]

So, you're smart and stupid at the same time?? Choosing a Civic over a MKV Supra is (per Sgt Osiris' words) 'you went full We Todd!' You seriously can't find a proper RWD sports platform for 75K? So more money than intelligence?

[@Atomicpotato102]

A man of culture

[@VBMichael_D]

@@Atomicpotato102 A man of culture wouldn't spend 75K on a FRONT wheel drive 'sports' car. You can find an S2000 for less, probably even a 1st gen NSX.

[@Paulfromwish]

@@VBMichael_D ok boomer

[@VBMichael_D]

@@Paulfromwish I'm Gen X. Nice judgment of character there, Millennial. I completely understand why you want a front wheel drive 'sports' car that costs $75K. You mention 'my wife' ...I'm pretty sure you are the wife in that union.

[@honda_miata]

Still cannot get over how good Rallye Red looks on the FL5!

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

i waited two months to find mine, the red never gets old

[@Closertotruth2]

Love the Bond-like tune as Silverback crosses the finish line!

[@Tony_miata]

Had a type r and have a gr rolla now. Type r is a super high quality car and motor that's defined by fwd and lack of grip always even in the dry. The grc is a super great daily w eco interior and a shit box vibration filled 3 banger but the awd is sooo much better and makes the car feel like a modern evo.

[@Paulfromwish]

Feel the same about the I30n great car but the FWD has you getting on it significantly less then if you had an AWD car

[@caffeinefix2751]

for me, had the gr yaris --> fl5 type r now. agreed

[@preventer333]

That green looks so damn good, why Toyota isn't offering more colors for GR Corolla is beyond me.

[@JHONNYR98]

They have something similar on the GR86. But I realized, they don't offer more colors because its built in a Toyota factory. The other cars, they just ask BMW or Subaru to do it 😂😂

[@PMdrizzles]

They have that dope sienna green too. Such a Shame

[@AngryWalter]

A couple cans of paint are too expensive for these billionaires.

[@zedexna2t]

​@@PMdrizzlesand that new ocean gym camry

[@Mr.Marbles]

yeah especially for such an "edgy cool" car. they should have a look at what ford was doing with the ST and RS models. Orange, Green, Blue, Yellow etc. same with the yaris GR here. only in white, black or red. Maybe they should get inspired by the colors of their current rally livery, let me look it up. ...oh.

[@Godspeed111]

Watching this while high was an absolutely out of this world experience. Always the greatest duo making world shaking documentaries on the elegant lifestyle we share as automotive enthusiasts. Bravo gentlemen, this is one of your finest productions.

[@stever.3855]

Thanks!

[@VoidAlone-lz8ww]

I loved seeing how much fun you both were having on the track Thank you both so much for what you do, there truly isn’t another KZbin channel that has come close to how much I enjoy your content, whether it is something like this or a review of an npc CUV, you both make it very enjoyable and a ton of fun to watch

[@Suction_]

I think the next series should be S4 vs M340i, BUT mark has to get the BMW and completely blue ball Jack B58

[@Shredcheddar]

Hahahaha 😂

[@pr0craztinazn]

I hope this video does well so you continue to film yourselves driving your cars. It brings me joy to see you both getting track time. As for the next car? CT4-V Blackwing.

[@utopiadeferred]

Thanks for talking to 555 after our discussion in the comments on the last video Jack!

[@The_Stick]

I think it's time for B58 Jack to, you know, buy something that is B58 powered. That or a Porsche. I love these types of videos that are track and engineering focused.

[@markthibault8579]

With that theme song, Jack is surely a frontrunner for consideration as the next Bond.

[@literally_not_kevin]

Jack's Theme had me cackling it's so catchy

[@Dowlphin]

I hope that was human work and not AI.

[@Peanutdenver]

Look what was playing on Jack's info screen prior to the race starting...lol

[@DabDabGoose]

Don't know if there is another brand out there that understand the FWD platform more than Honda, each new Type R is the Pinnacle of the platform.

[@MrSaaadpanda]

I love that you did testing on a track and not just do a few laps but actually do like 12 laps to see how the car would react. I would love to see more cars go through this to see how they would perform. The reason I say this is because some people do want to know the limits of the car just incase they ever have to push it to that limit or take it out on a track like you guys did.

[@shamalabadingdong]

Really really excited for a long term ownership style review of the Elantra N. Especially winter driving. Being one of the only cars in its segment with defeatable traction control and a real hand brake, I think you're in for a huge surprisem

[@Vizions-media]

- Beef n cheddar on my lap ✔️ - Hog recently cranked ✔️ - Karen has the kids today✔️ Oh yeah baby. It's savagegeese Friday

[@diydrivenGA]

GOBBBLESS

[@yayinternets]

HEEL YEA BORTHER!!!!!

[@BattyMckicknPunch]

😂😂😂

[@thegirthquake8574]

Bruthr dibdn't bless them clibbins!!!

[@MrTobytat2]

Bro.

[@drh0d3s]

I tracked my DSG 22 Golf R completely stock at PIR and The Ridge for 3 20 min sessions and the car held up great with no modifications. I don’t think VW gets enough credit for these cars for their out of the box track capability. Since then I’ve tracked it multiple times with just upgraded pads/fluid and wheels/tires and it’s a blast.

[@victorramos8296]

Jack’s theme song lmaoooooooo

[@SereneSpeed]

69th like. Nice.

[@kyleleisenring7430]

The Jack song is 10/10

[@hollywoodhitch6678]

When he said 70k corolla I spit my drink out laughing

[@tv321123]

I looked at a new decked out S5 sportback that was 69K lol.

[@angelgjr1999]

Should’ve spent that on a c8 or darkhorse Mustang

[@tv321123]

@@angelgjr1999 I can't blame someone for not wanting to spend $70K on a car that consistently comes with mismatched interior panels, mismatched seats, to complete the build quality of a kids ball pit picture.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@tv321123 I can’t blame someone for paying 70k for a car that spontaneously combusts for going 80 mph on the highway.

[@tv321123]

@@angelgjr1999 Well I can, And I'll think they are not the most intelligent. 70K for the quality control of mismatched interior panels & seats, and being recalled 10 times a year is BS. 70K for a FWD based Toyota hatchback that likes to catch fire is also crazy. You can go buy a new S5 with all the right options for 70K, you can buy your pic of BMWs, an RS3, a second hand Porche. None of these have issues spontaneously combusting, being recalled 10 times a year, or mis matched interior seats.

[@VS666]

Don’t get me wrong. I still love a good project and blowing money on go fast parts but the older I get the less receptive I am to fixing manufacturers intentional failures. I love most cars but at this point in my life, I would just rather write one check and have fewer headaches. I am happy to see that these owners are essentially getting a solution to a problem they were unaware existed in the beginning.

[@Paulfromwish]

I’ve experienced this with 3 S550 mustangs just endless modern electronic problems the dealerships couldn’t fix and ended up selling up and just keeping my 2007 sti due to nothing being able to go wrong

[@Bosanac023]

@@Paulfromwishf STI it just keeps going , that’s why I love them. If treated right they will last forever and are so underrated. That drivetrain is like nothing else.

[@Paulfromwish]

@@Bosanac023 normal issues I have like thermostat ect just so easily fixed and no having to deal with dealerships with computers or having to wait 6 months for them to fly a technician in to look at my 10 speed trans just garbage

[@BoostedFilms]

I love videos this honest. Helps kill the fomo of always wanting something new. (still love my evo8 😊)

[@ZakTheRipper18]

Your Evo 8 is honestly a better car than the Corolla, and arguably even the Type R. I know I prefer my obsolete, slower STi.

[@LordHolley]

About 20+ years ago I picked up a set of well used AP brakes off ebay. I put them on my well used 1996 M3 with a used set of PSS9 coilovers and tracked the piss out of it. The brakes were still awesome, never had brake fade and eventually sold them to another track guy. AP earned my respect, great brakes!

[@Dai1lest]

I daily drive my Type R and not once do I ever get bored in it every moment is just fun!!!

[@Mc88Flyy]

How is it in comfort mode? I daily my 24 Si and I feel like it’s overdamped and I just bounce on every road. I drive over a lot of bridges so it’s more noticeable. Thinking of trading up for an FL5. Just curious how much stiffer it is. I know I can swap over the ITS dampening module, definitely doing that either way 😂

[@SixGap]

It would be cool to see a base/Premium/Limited VB WRX go through something like the GRC did.

[@GokuTheHusky]

I think someone else did it. The wrx took the most beating out of the 2. Was slower than type R but faster than gr corolla.

[@YaBoiBrady]

A Mustang GT Long Form Series could be cool, there appears to be many options from both the factory and aftermarket it could be a fun and entertaining deep dive series.

[@Hawkborne]

Jack managed to go nearly 50 seconds without mentioning Corvettes. That's impressive.,

[@931shooter]

First in line at Arby’s so I could enjoy this video the proper way.

[@Shredcheddar]

The combotic ritual must commence.

[@KyleMacDonald-ei7do]

Great video! Enjoyed learning about all of the OEM limitations of these cars and the innovative aftermarket solutions to address them. Just curious if you had more to discuss regarding the Elantra N in this context. You piqued my interest with the brief mention of the Elantra N near the beginning.

[@banimanFJ]

~$3,000 (after tax) to fix limp mode is not a bad price to be honest. Thanks for the series guys.

[@Wind_slash0]

Especially to top the venerable type r on its home turf, it's more than worth it.

[@caffeinefix2751]

THANK YOU! I have been comparing these two online and on the forums ever since the GR yaris and FK8 civic were compared and people fantasized about a GR version of the corolla

[@nismo4x4n]

So mainly what I got from this is to buy a lightly used Cayman if I want a small track car. You pay for the performance one way or the other.

[@Shredcheddar]

💯

[@TwoLuckii]

Yeah, but your car won’t be as “ReLiAbLe” as the others.

[@briantroy24]

Next car should be the CT4V Blackwing 🏁 it's price is about what you spent on the Corolla build

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

Agreed. Aside from weighing a bit more, the alpha chassis is just second to none. Personally I'd try and find a base CT4 Blackwing over a Type R or Type S for not much more. Difference is 10K in the real world and worth it

[@TampaDE5]

Had one before my DE5. The 4vbw is so damn good ....

[@Jay-zx1sg]

100%. And for 2k in tune and basic Boltons you can have it outperforming corvettes... Although not that z06

[@bg772]

This^^

[@zkGuts]

favorite video of the year! great job guys!

[@maxrieker1591]

The comment about SRS sent me through the roof laughing. Keep up the great work‼️ Best KZbin car reviews period

[@bananaoligarchy8754]

As the owner of an SS 1LE, I approve of the message at 19:32. Great vid, guys! Also, you know my recommendation for the next car series :)

[@jvepps]

"Buy a Corvette instead" no truer words have been spoken. 🤣😂

[@dielaughing73]

Fine for Americans..

[@tv321123]

@@dielaughing73 Even more true for places like the UK in a different sense. Used cars are a fraction of the price in general. You have your pick of real RWD based (AWD if you want) Depreciated German luxury for 20-30%+ cheaper all around.

[@nathangrant104]

A Corvette isn't AWD and isn't as practical of a daily driver.

[@tv321123]

@ It is practical enough to be used as a daily by a lot of people, and most of the country dose not need AWD. But if you do, and you want more practicality, just change Corvette to S4/5 with the Audi sport package or M340 with the M sport pkg. They can be had second hand for cheaper than a TR or GRC; and are a lot more car that drives a lot nicer.

[@VMPhilosophy]

Fantastic video all around guys!

[@cjburn2758]

I went to check the price of the transfer case replacement from a Toyota website (dealership) and I found the price between the LSD and non-LSD transmissions to be within $2 of each other. That's amazing to me. The transfer case is the same price as a complete transmission with limited slip at around $2400.

[@UnstoppableMileage]

I have both and love both. My GR unfortunately hit a deer and the replacement parts are non existing. They deemed it a total loss today. My 24 Type R will carry the torch for now. It has 50,000 Miles as well!

[@SonikDethmonkey]

Awesome! How’s the CTR handling the miles?

[@shiftautomotive854]

are you the guy from facebook?

[@bobbykhan5787]

Great video, love how in depth you guys get. I’ve been interested in a CTR or GR Corolla because of what they represent (especially the CTR), track ready enthusiast vehicles which are more “affordable.” But after watching this I feel like I’m actually less interested in either car, watching these major flaws that they have, and the investment needed to rectify them. Granted driving day to day on the street one wouldn’t really have these issues, but I kind of get this “you get what you pay for” vibe and see why maybe that more expensive (insert sports car name) is justified in its pricing.

[@acanuck1679]

Thank you for this series, including this particular video. The dynamic between Mark and Jack is just terrific to watch.

[@jabito17]

Have a GRC with basically the same setup minus the brakes. I don’t think you need to take it to $70k to beat a CTR/EN on track, considering it was less than 0.1 second behind a CTR stock with identical tires. You could probably do: 2025 GRC Core - $39k Ohlins R&T/Annex- $2700 Camber Bolts - $30 That alone would probably dust a CTR/EN for a single hot lap well under CTR MSRP while not turning into complete ass in less than ideal road conditions. To take it to something that would do it all day without going into limp mode: 555 transmission cooler - $1500 (can’t speak to this just yet, mine just shipped) Syvecs AWD controller - $1000 Powertrain wise, if you don’t mind voiding your warranty, a tune and intake ($1300 for remote through Limit+1, $460 Sxth intake) will take you to +40 whp, 30 wtq. Not sure how far you’d want to go beyond that, given the relatively soft valve springs. Power will vary more than competitors given the amount of boost required. In more ideal conditions, C&D managed a 4.4 0-60 despite hitting 60 in third, stock. After a tune, I actually ended up driving my car in the custom mode with eco drivetrain most of the because I prefer the power delivery. This thing rips with a tune. www.caranddriver.com/news/a61687494/2024-toyota-gr-corolla-premium-test-analysis/ Suspension imo was the biggest weakness in the stock setup. Basically with the addition of coilovers you beat any ICE hot hatch on the market on track for under 43k. This is actually a tremendous value. Add transmission cooling ($2500), oil cooling (~$1500), and a intake/tune ($1800), you’re still getting a pretty decent deal compared to competitors that’ll do a full track day, all though value proposition isn’t as strong. 70k is kind of absurd. They paid 7k for essentially a cosmetic package as the circuit actually weighs more than a fully loaded core, then spent 6k on a brake package that’s overkill unless you live on a track, intake that sounds amazing (I have one) but could probably be replicated output wise for $1100 less, $600 rear upper control arms despite fairly aggressive rear camber (over -2 from factory that can go more aggressive with ride height adjustments alone) and also a $1000 exhaust that weighs +10lbs more than stock. Props to savagegeese for seeing the potential in this platform.

[@jyom3371]

i actually watched the ad all the way through. well done

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

i’ll be getting the same Apex wheels on my red CTR, they look almost identical to stock and get the stance just right, while adding sidewall. Look so good.

[@MrBrettypoo]

I'd love to see a MK8 Golf R, specifically DSG full testing

[@jamescardi1308]

Please do these builds on the Elantra N, the community would completely rally behind this kind of build while also give Hyundai a boost to keep making cheap enthusiast cars!

[@TheOnlyMrDinoHenry]

Absolutely

[@donrichter3523]

At least the CTR and GR Corolla are decent street cars. Every independent mechanic I know of says to stay away from Hyundai/Kia. The engines just don’t last.

[@TheOnlyMrDinoHenry]

@@donrichter3523the N engines have a fantastic reputation for reliability.

[@jackdialogue1]

@@TheOnlyMrDinoHenryWe just got our first Elantra N in the shop last week, the owner opted for the cheaper option of engine oil, he bought the car used for 10k under MSRP with less than 15k miles on it, that alone tells you ‘how much’ the owner of the car weighed the car. On the other hand, my first FL5 customer will not let anyone park his car anywhere close to curbs because he put 30k on it the first year he had it, he is so afraid of any little bit of imperfection of the exterior of the car. Did I mention how cheaply the bumper the Elantra N was made, one side of the bumper pop out with the corner bolt was still holding it to the bracket, we had to push it back during the oil change. These two cars are not in the same universe. The Elantra N might look good and even drive good at first, but it will not last.

[@rcl4668]

Great video! So two components are needed to fix the limp mode/transfer case issue on the GRC: (1) Syvecs - AWD Controller and (2) 555 Engineering - Transfer Case Cooler. Do you happen to have a link to these products?

[@scottt.4596]

Incredible content! Cheers 🍻

[@Jastzu]

This was so much fun all the way through, with Jack’s theme song being the ultimate cherry on top.

[@martingriggs6362]

I have driven all 3 of these vehicles (stock). For me in stock form it goes (3) Honda, (2) Hyundai, then the (1) Toyota.

[@Buddyclub33]

I work for a Toyota dealership, stellar explanation of the from factory inherent lack off 'track' capability of the stock GR Corolla. The more you know...

[@brettbrantley1474]

TCR edition for the Elantra N just dropped!!!

[@justinbecker4772]

No real world performance improvement

[@jeffspaulding5116]

@@justinbecker4772larger 4 piston brakes, but that’s about it

[@justinbecker4772]

@@jeffspaulding5116 yeah, I don't think they saw brake overheating issues on track. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@brettbrantley1474]

@@justinbecker4772 brakes…possibly, wing only in theory, but hey the seatbelts kinda clean!

[@velvetsmack2645]

Just a great great video. Congratulations.

[@michaelp8928]

Holy shit that Silverback Jack song was absolutely gold and a perfectly describes Jack.

[@LuvADuc]

Thank you for the great content.

[@MaddNomad1015]

People think it’s crazy Jack spent essentially 70k on a GRC, meanwhile Keiichi Tsuchiya is sitting 80k+ in his 40 year old AE86 Corolla. Lol. All jokes aside it is crazy.

[@pl7183]

Can you do a track series on Jack’s Z06 and how reliable it is for track duty?

[@clubracer6]

If you are really tracking this much, just grab a Spec Miata and race it (way more fun) or track it. You can run it for days without any brake fade. Miata remains the answer.

[@dielaughing73]

Yeah.. pads, fluid and hoses is all you need brake-wise for all-day Miata fun. And you'll still be out-braking everything else on the last session. No further braking upgrades needed unless you add forced induction

[@dannyphamous]

Great series!

[@acerimmer8338]

As someone that has tracked his last 5 daily drivers, I've come to the conclusion that it's just not worth it. Daily drivers have too many compromises. Get a second car, even if it's cheap, and build it up from there. Preferably NA and lightweight, ie Miata or GR86/BRZ or at least older (lighter and slower) Mustang/Camaro/Corvette. Turbo and supercharged engines get too hot and pull boost, killing much of the fun. Light because it's much better on brakes/tires/handling and teaches you to be a better driver. Unless you're a Jack that can afford to drop $25k on upgrades, which still didn't solve all the cars problems, just make a dedicated car.

[@KN-jw7ts]

Exactly right! these are fun street cars that can do some light track duty. i can't understand why everyone is surprised that they have deficiencies on track.

[@AlbertLamarque]

Hearing you talk about the wheels makes me appreciate the double meaning of the word "forged".

[@k-dog7013]

I’d love to see a series like this on either a Mustang GT or an Audi RS3 since I’m considering buying one. I think you’ve said they’re both a bit boring stock, but they have high performance levels for the money and I’d love to see what some track-focused mods could do

[@floodo1]

y’all have reached a whole new level

[@HallidayZ_garage]

Time to buy Syvecs and 555 cooler 🤘

[@recoilrob324]

The Focus RS also suffers from premature brake failures due to them using the ABS as a traction control device rather than an actual limited slip diff. Sure...it makes the car quicker for a few laps until the brakes catch on fire and one reviewer actually got flames from a spirited run through the twisties without actually touching the brake pedal. Sorry but I find this totally unacceptable and will stay with my SVT Focus which does none of that nonsense.

[@NoLimitBowen]

I would love to see a manual Supra or an M2 build on the channel! A little more expensive than the Corolla was but it would be awesome to see one of those cars built track-oriented the right way!

[@RevRadioJoe]

I have a 2024 Camaro 1SS 6MT. Amazing car! Nothing comes close for the money.

[@ricardosilva-xz1yt]

So... basicaly as always the answer is Miata. Used 10k. Easy. 10 grand suspension/brakes and tires. Even if you want to splurge another 5 in miscelanious like throtle bodies and exaust maybe a clutch. We are still at 50% of the cost on a stock one of these 2. You kan say its a do it all thing, frankly why would you take your 1 car to a track day? If you kan aford a track session, you kan aford the prep eny shit box would need to be a track focused beater

[@Shredcheddar]

Agreed. Best bet? Buy someone’s used track toy and pay the markup for the upgrades on a ratted car. It’ll be cheaper than building it yourself. The build process is exciting but goddamn do you bleed money for the chore of doing all the work yourself. All that said I’m looking at salvage title ND1s to convert to a track toy and probably won’t take my own advice. 😂

[@jimsgaragetoys]

Great video. I think that it's funny that people care about the track so much. In stock form the CTR is faster, so what. You are there to have fun and if you are slightly faster or slower it doesn't change the fun factor. Most people don't track and these are both fun to drive on the street. Where the GRC really shines is on back mountain roads, and in bad weather and snow the fun really begins. There is no contest on a rally course either. The CTR gets the win in stock form on the track, but I'll take a GRC for real world, all weather driving fun every day. I'm glad to see that you spoke about the 555 transfer case cooler. When watching I kept saying, why don't you install the 555 transfer case cooler??? 🤣 Luckily you don't have to spend much of anything on the GRC to have an amazing car on the street in all kinds of weather.

[@davidzebar6876]

It's always amazing to me that people will drop $50k on a performance car but then not bother spending $400 on a track day

[@jimsgaragetoys]

@@davidzebar6876 Well that depends on where the track is in relation to the owner. I'v driven many different cars on the track and the tracks near me aren't anything to get excited about. I've been racing in different forms since the 80's so I know what I personally like and could care less about. I don't care what people do to enjoy their fun cars, the track, autoX, fun back roads, canyons, that is up to the owner. Not everyone wants to dump $400 for a track day so I don't hold that against them. But most people spend 99% of the time on public roads, so worrying about little things on the track that doesn't change the fun factor of the day does seem silly to me, but to each their own.

[@MA-eb2kp]

My wife’s boyfriend and I woke up early together for this one. She just doesn’t have the T levels to understand the magnitude of this masterpiece.

[@hamzawerks]

the green GRC and the red CTR look so good together

[@gummbyandpokey]

Have you got an oil leak on the GRC? Lot of gunk around the sump pan and your under tray is also covered in gunk

[@anthonyseto]

I run my FL5 with Carbotech XP12/XP10 and castrol SRF on Kuhmo v730 tires at VIR in advanced groups on HPDE and I never have had the pedal get to the ground and that’s a hard and fast track. Now I did eat through front pads in 3 days with VSA off in Type R mode. I did get pedal bottom out when I ran Endless MX72+ pads though.

[@SsolteszZ]

Suddenly a stock Golf R is looking pretty good again

[@Shredcheddar]

B-b-b-but it has weird touch controls just like every other car!!

[@hensh911]

Solution: Mk7.5 R

[@mikeromano453]

Problem with the Golf R is the lack of a front LSD. You end up cooking the brakes to an absurd to degree.

[@joshzep1516]

Why not stay with the hot hatch theme and give the Golf R a look? If you're going American, CT4V Blackwing would be a great choice for a series.

[@ericxw]

This is very interesting and I had a lot of concerns with the braking on my Integra Type S. I did some research and chose to go with the stock brake fluid (higher temp rating than standard dot3), Paragon titanium brake shims to reduce heat transfer in the front into the calipers, and Hawk HP+ which were crazy loud but just tremendous braking force compared to stock. No brake issues at all at Canadian Tire Motorsports Park GP track, but maybe it has longer stretches that lets the brakes cool down but I also have some upgrades and a custom tune that should put the car to 360-380hp. Perhaps I'm just not pushing the brakes hard enough too with the PS4S tires. I did have torque vectoring on. Sessions were between 12 to 20 laps. Each lap was around 1:48. I guess there was also some traffic at times and even had to wait to pass a GT3 RS every session. So maybe I didn't get a chance to go full out for more than 3 laps at a time. Ambient temp was around 20C so more manageable too. I track once a year and really didn't want to go to dot4 and half year brake fluid flushes. Looking at the front and back of the brake shim, the color change speaks volumes as to it reducing heat transfer. Would be interesting how this car does in hotter weather with less traffic.

[@wojtekp3212]

When on track, peddle dance required!! The ITS (Acura Integra Type S aka the type r twin) is so good on track!! The same is required on a STi, full traction control OFF. Extreme summer tires on the smallest wheels you can fit.

[@RobertECartwright]

The next build series just has to be the new Mustang GT if it's gonna be a V8. I truly believe you are the guys on YT who will objectively approach that car with a realistic mindset to turn the s650 platform into a true dual-purpose machine ...and maybe even convince those of us who prefer German to American ( example: my wife's boyfriend) into an American "sports" car

[@honglin5143]

Thank you, you made my day. I can't stop grinning the wholr video.

[@x310gtsx]

the discrepancy between mark and jack's chairs is too great.

[@FreshYoungDude]

Can’t believe how nice Marks cans are in that ad.

[@randomhero438]

I’d love to see you guys via a 2016 to 2018 BMW M2 as a long-term car. Modded up, and compare it to these. The BMW is around the same price used as these are new and it would be an interesting comparison for new versus used on a track build.

[@Peanutdenver]

I run AP Racing calipers and rotors on my G82 M4C and they are so much better than the stock M brakes it's not even close. You also save almost 20lbs in weight up front and they look pretty damn good too.

[@GoBrand0n]

Link?

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

I bought a Camaro SS 1LE because the GRC, CTR, and Z were going for crazy money. This video cured my FOMO

[@marccandrift]

For the money yeah it was the right choice

[@TYLINK3]

The fk8 also has brake torque vectoring, not new, just a FYI

[@cloudyview]

The Silverback Jack track was amazing 😂

[@mnzulhamsyah]

Thank you so much!