THESE CHARACTERS Win The MOST in Tekken 8!

[@nicolasreyes9436]

I just picked up feng, that winrate is coming down

[@LotusAsakura]

LOL

[@newphonewhodis7152]

Im with you bud, we can do it

[@oneofthekindscarf8612]

I need you fengs in my matches then. Im here struggling against them in flame ruler

[@shaqny1]

On god lol he is maybe bottom 5 imo

[@newphonewhodis7152]

@@shaqny1 Feng??

[@Nick0tine3]

I'm so tired of playing against the same 4-5 characters in purple ranks. King, azucena, dragunov, and Jin are absolutely everywhere

[@foxos7776]

Afro, Seereax, Dota and Lotus who each play one of those characters: Hello there

[@okhoh]

Claudio player here bro I feel you.

[@Gatirrecuba]

Feng player here, currently in flame ruler and have yet to go up against a mirror match, does anyone in this game play feng wei?😭😭😭

[@DarkAsylum25]

@@Gatirrecubawait how you play the character you should know how to beat yourself

[@ajbksfinest]

That’s ranked in like every fighting game tho

[@Rikent]

Lotus keep in mind that when looking at win rates, lower play rate characters don't have newer people tanking their win rates. Feng, bears, jack all have high win rates because of gimmics but also because people who specialize in them play them. On the other hand Dragunov has high win and play rate because he is OP.

[@yaznot]

hwoarang has one of the highest match up knowledge requirements in early ranks, and most players arent committed to learning the match up, which is honestly their fault when they're complaining about it, but even so, he may not be easy to pick up but he's easy to get wins with in beginner ranks which is why he's so frustrating to so many people.

[@nerooyeye2196]

This is very well put

[@beowulfmoore3399]

7:06 to answer your question, Hwoarang is one of the few characters that has a low bar of entry, but has a super high skill cap. (TW: long post) This means you can pick up Hwoarang and only play him the whole time, yet he won't feel stale. Many players will get a few moves down and think "I've mastered this character". It's hard to say that about Hwoarang. Previously, he wasn't this popular because other characters had the power of Hwoarang without all the technicality. 80 moves are more attractive to new players than almost 200. But now everyone has over 100 moves, so Hwoarang doesn't seem that impossible to learn anymore.

[@DarkAsylum25]

I mean yea that makes sense but in a way that I see it the more moves the better “right”? Because then everyone’s gonna have to have more knowledge of the character and then in my opinion that makes the character strongr becaus of the mentally stack it would cause , etc maybe that’s just because I love fighting games, and I actually like learning too

[@LotusAsakura]

I somewhat understand where you're coming from but I have a hard time believing this is the reason. Tekken movelists have gotten longer and longer and Tekken 7 had plenty of characters with 100+ moves and everything you just said could apply to that game as well and he was still nowhere near this popular.

[@beowulfmoore3399]

@@DarkAsylum25 I wholeheartedly agree with you that more moves are better. It makes the game have depth, in my opinion. But there are players out there that don't want complexity. They don't want to have to learn match ups, or techs, or anything else. They want wins. And that means playing simple characters or only high tiers. I'm not referencing the people who LIKE fighting games or enjoy gimmicks, mind you. I mean the people who play just to say they're better than you, but then won't play against you (or rage quit when they start losing with their top tier) because YOU know the matchup and they don't.

[@beowulfmoore3399]

@@LotusAsakura Thank you for input! I love discussions about Tekken. You're right: Tekken 7 had a lot of characters who also had 100+ moves in their moveset. So Tekken 8 isn't revolutionary in that aspect. However, Tekken 8 has added more moves to the game since Tekken 7, and added a mechanic that rewards aggressive gameplay. So a character that looks like you can just press buttons and get wins looks more attractive at first. From there, you'll either learn and start to love playing the character, or dislike him and move on. From the data you've shown us, and my own experiences in ranked, it seems the former has happened more often.

[@JohnGlow2]

I think this might be true but I honestly think it might be even simpler than that : He just looks cooler. I know that sounds kinda silly but even watching the trailer back then, I remember people being wowed at Hwoarang’s glow up. I feel like what you said in addition to his visual appeal are why you see WAY more of him.

[@NicolasKiroy-ex9yz]

I am an advocate for getting to red and switching off, I think it's the perfect place for a Tekken newbie because I wouldn't want to start my grind for anything more after hitting that late orange wall, nor should I when I'm not entirely set on the character with so many more to try. It's nice because you can pick up a character late green, work through the yellow ranks on fundamentals while I try out moves and get used to my Bnbs, then late orange is graduation. If you can beat that wall, you can put the character down with enough confidence that you'll be making an informed decision when it comes time to pick your first actual main. I made red with Alisa and am very close with Feng, and am excited to choose a third and do it at least one more time.

[@six_waterbottles6wb129]

yeah i might even recommend it for some people. get a character to red, try someone else. so long as you make an emphasis on improving fundamentals and expanding character knowledge across the board, it's not a terrible strat. i ended up doing something similar in tekken 7 and i improved very quickly.

[@TAJIG]

the low playrate characters have smaller datasets so it skews the data when comparing winrates. that + what you were saying about match up knowledege is why the least played characters have some of the highest winrates and makes dragunov look even more cracked imo

[@itsColev]

Well I think one thing to take into account for the winrates is since there are way more players playing dragonv etc, they have more opportunities to lose since people play them more. And vicversa with panda and kuma

[@justinmorsheim3942]

That's not how statistics work

[@elijahoneill5228]

I basically picked up this game to play Yoshimitu, i played him in soul calibur when I a kid and he looked badass in this game. Hes super satisfying to play too

[@playharderscrub]

If Afro can hit purple I most def can 💀

[@datniggafloppy9822]

I feel the same way, but I'm still in green with Bryan, so I rlly can't talk🤷🏾💀. Draganov plus his natural fighting game sense rlly does wonders.

[@GODDONDA]

Yea no hate I love the guy but I can’t be in the same rank as him just doesn’t make me feel good had to get fujin today😭😭

[@susanoo8468]

Y’all need to put some respect on afros name lmao

[@benthegreat2801]

Stupid take especially depending on who you play

[@benthegreat2801]

@@GODDONDApersonal problem y’all are so weird are you competing in a tournament? At the end for the day your rank virtually means nothing in this current iteration cuz we all know all of y’all have been doing one and dones 😂

[@Exspy_]

Hwoarang is the reason I wanted tekken because of his looks,his fighting style, and attitude! Also sorta felt he might be underrated seeing as none of the streamers I seen play him so it was perfect for me

[@TAJIG]

Hwaorang been my favorite character since tekken 3 but its cool to see he’s become pretty popular

[@YeetGodMcneck]

Yo Lotus, I never comment on KZbin but just wanted to let you know. Lately, the videos been killer brodie, keep it up. I been playing Hwo cause of You and it’s the most fun I’ve had in a fighting game since season 2 of DBFZ

[@YeetGodMcneck]

Definitely been watching K-Wiss too since I need some guidance as a new Tekken player lol

[@Carlisle73]

@itscolev touched on it already. You have to take into consideration that more people playing a character means a lot of less skilled players playing them. So lower win ratios. And people who are more skilled are more willing to play harder characters, so win rate isn't a great variable to determine how good a character is.

[@n9nedots]

I find it interesting that high execution characters like Bryan and Kazuya are so high up in play rate. I mean I’ve been a lurker in the Tekken scene for awhile, but Tk8 is the first Tekken I’m actually playing and trying to learn. I won’t lie, I picked up Jun thinking she was fun, but tbh I felt like I was getting carried. So I swapped to Bryan and I’m loving the difficulty and how much I’m learning. I wonder if that’s what the appeal of these “harder” characters is for others

[@captinchillin]

For me personally, I've viewed Hwoarang as the secondary main character. The Subzero to Jin's Scorpion if you will. I've played most of the Tekken games since Tekken 3, and this might be bias since Hwoarang was my original main.

[@TigreInferno]

See, but with that idea, Paul would still be the rival to Kazuya like in Tekken 1…which is definitely not the case anymore…

[@JohnGlow2]

I feel like its moreso that red ranks are a complete jungle. Ever since I got my first character to purple, I’ve been chilling with my second and third, and upon getting them both to red, its like there are some players you fight and its like “how on earth did you make it this far?” while other times its like “why are you not ranked WAY higher than just Shinryu?” Red is just a mix of good players, players who found one thing that worked and stuck with it, and improving players learning matchups. It feels like Floor 10 in Strive. And purple+ feels like celestial.

[@ShouVertica]

6:50 "it's a huge shock that Hwaorang is popular" I mean.....he's been a pretty popular character since the old Tekken and in T8 he's probably the most oppressive character you can play at lower ranks which is where the majority of players are at. The second any new player gets dunked on by flamingo thousand kick spam it's gonna result in them going "huh, I think I could do that!"

[@travisdowning4893]

The rank system shows to me the knowledge check of that character. Red and purple is the true test to show you how good you are with said character.

[@pyromaximus8890]

😂you ain't lying they said I don't have the knowledge yet stay at garyu 😂😢

[@noreltv5894]

As a tenryu feng Fuck king,azucena,jun, with occasional devil jin

[@Beamken]

You are right there with them lmfao

[@noreltv5894]

Wait how? Lmao feng isnt played much

[@Beamken]

@@noreltv5894 Feng is Harada’s favorite child

[@noreltv5894]

@@Beamken ill admit his poke is insane so you may have a point 😂😂

[@blurryface5744]

@@noreltv5894 Nah Harada actually does main Feng. He played in a tournament before

[@thetrickster4899]

Numbers-wise, Dragunov is the strongest character, no contest. Highest pick rate in purple+, and 7th in win rate. The next closest one is Lee as 13th highest win rate, while being the 10th most picked in purple+. Why does this show that Dragunov is strong? Because the top 10 most wins are all at the bottom half of the pick rate. Things like matchups, knowledge, gimmicks, factor in to lower win rate characters...all except Dragunov. Being the highest win rate means people in the purple+ tier probably mostly lab him, yet he's still finding great success. He's so strong that a lot of Koreans have a pocket Dragunov lol.

[@josephhinton6579]

How good is reina win rate

[@BirdMoose]

I think a big part of the low popularity characters being so high on the win rates is who chooses to play them. Not only do you have match up advantage, but if you're choosing to play these characters you probably are serious about them since they're not as broadly appealing as higher pick rate characters. So there is a natural filtration of the more casual players from these characters (with the exception of the bears who are just wilding)

[@toryburke137]

Hworang is popular because of people like Lotus and Kwiss play them well. They probably watch and want to be at that level of play.

[@pyromaximus8890]

Them are two mfs I see people emulation 😂 just not as good or super spammy

[@potatopotato7882]

besides gimmicks, characters that are more popular can be dragged down(Reina). And vice versa with unpopular characters, they have better win rate cuz only small group of specialized people play them and main them.

[@JKess-rh6fc]

You also have to take into account that missing characters and "clone" fighters affect the usage chart. Tekken 7 had Armor King, so Armor King mains might be resorting to King in T8, additionally increasing his popularity at the moment. Panda and Kuma are very similar, so their usage not being combined, is definitely going to make them look less popular than the rest of the cast (albeit even combined they might only jump up 6 slots).

[@potatopotato7882]

I got like 6 characters to garyu, it was like a cut off for me for "trying out" a character. Idk why tho lol

[@Jalen-e8y]

I made it to Tenryu with Law (I always main Bruce Lee characters in fighting games) and I think I just wanna keep going honestly, it’s gonna get difficult but that’s how I like a challenge so I’m gonna see if I can make it to Blue before switching

[@Fireslayer7011]

This confirms that I am not the only one struggling with my Xiaoyu 😂. The best players in the world are the only one's that make her feel broken. Side note: I've seen all the videos of the bs about my character and yes you can fix the hit box for that one stand.

[@LotusAsakura]

Ahaha players of all levels with every character are struggling. We're all learning and getting bodied in the process so don't worry! Thanks again for the comment and support ~

[@sonicmaster1311]

Honestly I think the least played characters have the highest win rates simply due to loyalty. I can’t speak for relative newcomers like Shaheen but the bears may have personal history to a lot of the people that have been playing them since their first appearance. Tekken from what I can tell seems to highly reward legacy experience(aka knowledge like you said). But I also strongly believe though that the people that play those gimmicky characters, may just be damn good at tekken😅

[@bilbo_gamez6195]

Yh i just got Reina to red rank and its definitely a challenge. She is definitely strong but to get her true potential u need to lab every situation hard. Like u need to KNOW what are u gonna do when u duck a move. Was it a counter hit u got em with cos now u can go off. Are they in oki cos now u can war god kick but if they can get up instantly u will whiff and be punished. LOTS of knowledge abd reactions needed

[@aidandavis3934]

Picked up tekken recently for the first time. Picked steve as I like boxing but my god I feel like im getting nowhere with him i'm not great at doing his combos either (I probably just really suck). Any suggestions on who I should switch to? I enjoy comboing into grapple moves i find that satifying as hell. Or should I stick it out with steve and just "git gud"

[@weintexaswassup]

nah you don't suck bro Steve just needs major buffs

[@thizzgreatone4782]

My first tekken and I love Leroy, but apparently the damage he caused in tekken 7 means everybody already know wassup🤣🤣🤣

[@ForeverBlazed]

dam when Leroy came out in T7 he was insanely so strong loved playing him back then lol but he so ass in T8 😂

[@FangBang3r]

Xiaoyu main here... last video we were sorted in the "getting carried" yet her pick rate is bottom half and win rate in the bottom quarter. Math not mathing

[@justtheboys1131]

Where are most of yall playing? I’m Oceania, flame ruler, I don’t see azucena or Jin at all, king and drag a fair bit but it’s pretty well spread out imo

[@justtheboys1131]

Also I’m a Leroy main and I’ve seen more Leroy’s that Jin’s/Devil Jin’s 😂

[@afroraykun]

EU, haven't seen as much Azucena as I expected. Plenty of Jin. King is the most common character by a LONG way.

[@MithosTy]

Red rank was my first goal, but I achieved it way too quickly. Currently very stagnant in Purple.

[@pyromaximus8890]

Well congrats I'm forever living in red and I'm surprised this is probably my highest rank achievement in the last 3 games 😂

[@lokomo]

Cool video Lotus. Loving the Tekken content.

[@GucciGirf]

I apart of the crowd that grinded to Garyu (red rank) as Jin and immediately switched to my first, favorite character; Leroy. Now grinding him & almost red again. Will definitely go past on him too

[@Kenpachi_White_flash_99]

It made me feel better about my rank and that I’m better that 55% of other player but as a content creator plus me wanting to get into tournament and see how far I can go. I have a lot of training to do and homework because I’m tired of losing to match up knowledge like I never know when to fight back against the stupid bear like Wtf

[@foxos7776]

Me as a Lili main planning on pocketing Claudio: I see the vision.

[@TigreInferno]

Lmao go for it, easier time I promise you

[@Whoisnk]

I started of play jin went on a 25 game win streak in ranked, got shit on multiple times and realized idk this character, so I wanted to factory reset and saw how cool hworang was and pick him up. Took a while to learn his frame traps but it's been fun.

[@souljasleet]

As a blue jun player her winrate being low actually makes a lot of since. She’s easy but her counterplay on her strings get real obvious the higher rank you go. Her izumo stance is duckable and a lot of players duck those once I hit middle of purple ish. She doesn’t have a good power crushing move without stance or a fast running button that’s braindead. She relies on good pokes, chip damage, and launch damage. She really does play the opponent game a lot of the time except when she’s in heat where she’s insanely overpowered.

[@MrrRicijs1232]

So its my first Tekken game, I started with Law , switched to Steve and will chose as main Feng. Atleast at low ranks I have the most success with him and the combos are easier for me to remember

[@Eltaborn]

Yeah, I stopped at red rank for a little bit, for the simple fact that this is a new game. So I'll go to player match to sharpen my play before going back to ranked.

[@ForeverBlazed]

stopped at red rank more like hardstuck be real with yourself buddy 😂

[@GeorgeMacauleyJr]

who cares? 😂 why does it matter if he’s “hardstuck” content creation got yall brains rotted thinking everyone got be the best player 😂😂😂😂

[@tntxgoodin]

I feel like Hwoarang is 4th cause like you said last video, he's a bit of a noob killer and most people (like me) are probably around low green high orange/low red. Nobody knows wtf he does and it's pretty easy to get your ass beat.

[@Mandolin_AU]

Lots of people stop at the first rank of a colour because they want to get better before trying for the next tier

[@GavinFox2028]

Like how the popular characters has the least win rate. While the least popular characters has the most win rate 😂

[@orlandogarcia5470]

Been using Hwaorang, the ability to go low then high quick helps with being unpredictable

[@ThisIsWyan]

So by the time I hit eliminator, I noticed how much I was getting knowledge checked but I knew for a fact I was good enough to hit Garyu but knew I had to learn matchups and my character much more so once I hit garyu(my current rank) I’ve been labbing a lot and learning my matchups before going back into ranked

[@dragontheleo3620]

Honestly this explains why the Panda Win rate is extremely high. Rarest character to match up against. People don’t know the Bear match ups. It’s very easy to win since Bears are extremely strong by damage outputs. I main Panda.. There’s a trend where people will one and done on me every time I win or lose one match.

[@Imran0said]

I just hope we get Julia dlc season 1. Also surprised Lidia didn’t make it into 8 still. Kunimitsu too. So many characters from 7 that I’m missing but Reina is so much fun and loving climbing the ranks with her.

[@Razzlekhan-t4q]

I saw Hwoarang a lot in red ranks. I think a lot of new comers pick him up and rise to red ranks. Then when mashing stops working. They change characters or stop playing. Because I rarely see him in blue

[@austingoyne3039]

Hwoarang is a paradox of being super complex, yet easy to mash-and-win at lower levels of play.

[@yomamasan]

I've been a Hwaorang main since 3, and i am surprised he's up there. Ranging at Ganryu rank as well

[@dearikj90]

Looking at Jun down there in second to last place for win rates at the Advanced Ranks hits hard. I've been sitting at that Mighty Ruler plateau for weeks now.

[@dupreestrong1705]

Funny how u say this.... But, to the whole community Jun is a ez pick up that dog walks everyone for u no skill

[@dearikj90]

@@dupreestrong1705 That's the popular opinion, yes. Then the chart comes out and has her second to last in win rates. If you believe some of those figures you also have to believe that one. I'm not arguing an opinion. I'm just stating what the chart shows.

[@slimfastsubaru2043]

​@dearikj90 the chart backs up what they said, Jun is no skill op. She carries bad players to high ranks, then they hit the wall vs people with fundamentals that don't just mash. Then they lose. It's not like it's good players tanking her wr lol

[@reynauldwhistles2338]

6:14 and dont forget that king is sick who doesnt wat to play as the jaguar grappler oh and i guess he is strong too wich is something you been saying its ok to do, its ok to play strong characters.

[@briangreengrass2244]

ITS BECAUSE HWOARANG ACTUALLY HAS TOOLS NOW basically same as before but he does have way more access to those moves in his stances all 4 stances

[@tyresesuri7431]

As a guy that decided to start maining zafina,I love a challenge

[@datguy6745]

I wanted to reach purple with Reina soooo bad, always getting stuck at tenryu. So then i switched to yoshi (my old main) and reached Flame ruler pretty easily. Now i switched to steve trying to learn him.

[@Solidblkreaper]

Since my journey in Tekken I’ve always played Law, Hwoarang, and Lee

[@cooluno_9]

I know I single handedly tanked the kings win rate with how much I've lost

[@gideonartistry]

Claudio has like the least gimmicky moves, has lackluster low and counterhit moves and only have 6 launchers (compare to like Lee who has around 15 ways to launch you, it's really few), yet he magically managed to have a high win rate. 😂

[@ragnarok7452]

Well he has strong moves nonetheless. So that's prolly why.

[@ASlopedRoof]

More unpopular characters will usually attract better players disproportionately to noobs. Claudio is a good example of a character that attracted players that knew alot more about the game, and noobs stayed away from because he looks a lil too fruity.

[@55avenger]

strong hopkick and he always seems to be plus for some reason.

[@ASlopedRoof]

Huh I'm surprised my comment showed up, so early. I didn't think you guys would see it with how shadow banned I am. Those KZbin employees must be worked to the bone, you have my condolences dude who had read it, but get a new job, that place is trash.

[@ty_thegod]

Rajin Hwoarang I picked him up after I got stuck in battle ruler and never looked back I love him

[@ssgcheddar5785]

It blows my mind, after playing King as my main since Tekken 1 in arcades, how anyone can say King is easy to play! I have memorized all his throws, every chain throw and different routes to each chain throw so if you break this route I take another route you wont break, all his frame data, setups, okizeme, etc... 😂 Yes these people are doing 5 moves with King but at higher levels I use way more moves almost every move in this movelist! He has the most moves btw. So saying King is easy I have to disagree btw Im Fujin on my promo to next rank

[@pyromaximus8890]

I used to be a king main back in T2 and you're absolutely right since then the move list has grown and I definitely can't play king at a Lil majin level because I don't know the moves that aren't on the list or I don't practice with him enough nowadays to be a serious threat but in T7 I was kinda nice but now people know how to reverse throws 😂 it's not as easy to bully the school and whoop the principal 😂

[@bilbo_gamez6195]

Yh ive made it to red with 2 characters and moved to another. Im a reasonably new player (not played since ps2) so im using this time to learn as many characters as possible for matchup knowledge and also to see who i actually want to use to make a push for purple n up 💪👍

[@jacobwooten977]

Look at Lars just chilling in the middle of the charts

[@justified9537]

Love how raven barley moved in all cases, the gimmicks don't carry raven players like hwoarang, reinas and Azucenas. The win rate reflects the huge amount of players not good with the characters.

[@Nazzimz]

Shout to the Reddit user for doing this, amazing attribution to the community

[@LotusAsakura]

HUGE shoutout to the work he put in to gather this data!

[@eduardoserpa1682]

I wasn't aware, but most of my characters are in the low popularity, high-ish advanced winrate camp lol Leo, Shaheen, Claudio. Lili is not so lucky.

[@Lazdontplaythat16]

I moved to Hwoarang cause i loved the night hawk move since tekken 4 and my original main was Steve and i realized im awful at the game LOL. Hwoarang was easier to learn then steve. Ill go back to steve once i master more of the basics while using Hwoarang. Im trying my hardest to stop using scrub combo strings and getting better at punishing and blocking.

[@jacobwooten977]

The 3-4 button mashers will switch from hworang to eddy when he comes out

[@Boobie.Rashard]

I’m the Leroy main that keeps kicking yall ass as A Pimp Named Slickback

[@pyromaximus8890]

Mfs sleeping on uncle Leroy law mains know better 😂

[@Boobie.Rashard]

Everyone gone learn dawg!! Ppl not familiar on how nice he is. I be mixing Jin’s up!!

[@T.Y.th3Poet]

Hwoarang, I fight them a lot.. and wash them every time. I literlwly don’t play him because of how easy I can beat him. Even though I think he’s a dope character..

[@AscheAbyss]

Although I don't play Hwao, I ran into him a lot on my streak through red and going through purple ranks. Jin as well tbh and I understand why because his kit doesn't really need electrics for him to be a threat at those levels Also I'm with TMM. The Bears don't exist

[@NM-rj4gk]

One main thing that I think leads the the high garyu % is people can just abuse gimmicks and not really learn any fundamentals and get there

[@zanzaXO]

In Purples and I NEVER see Hwoarang, might just be lucky lol

[@ajshiro3957]

I play Hwoarang. Been that way since 3. I'm surprised he's popular. The character people love to hate. Combo too long they say. Meanwhile, spamming electric is a combo.

[@breachphoenix649]

If you can spam an electric which is a frame perfect move then I say go off king.

[@zander860]

I feel like hitting blue is the real I’m done till DLC type of rank

[@pyromaximus8890]

Bro idc about winrates anymore for myself but I realized I have to play like everyone has frame downloads on constant refresh and keep doing all types of crazy shit with law😂 but seriously i just found out this mf has a wall jump like when tf did we get a wall jump nobody uses?

[@EasyBreezy561]

I'm a higher rank with Lee but i still consider myself a Hwoarang main. I still hardly ever see anyone else play Hwo tho.

[@Pyroxi]

Welp geuss i better pick up leo and shaheen to get free carries😂 On a real note my first time deep diving a fighting game and i can see now being a steve player is gonna be a long road.

[@_Smiddy_]

Glad to see Feng is still gaming 😎

[@beefbeef7086]

I can confirm I main Shaheen and nobody knows to block while rising 33

[@matstarify]

Hwoarang has always been a character I wanna play, he’s just HARD!! Lol I keep him as a pocket

[@jugoboum1650]

Kuma been in Tekken since Tekken 1. So when people complain about not knowing the match up. I say he’s been in the game for years 🤣🤣

[@Justlacegames]

There are lots of new players so him being in Tekken 1 is irrelevant to them. On top of that the average player isn't going to learn how to fight against a character they rarely see.

[@thefabledenglishman6000]

That's fair enough, but as long as he's been around, he's always been free wins at all levels of play except top-tier tournaments. He's so rare to play against and has so many knowledge checks that he just smokes people. To actually deal with him, you have to not just lab out his gimmicks, but also figure out which combos and punishers work on him and which don't due to his weird hitboxes, etc. Nobody has time to lab every character in the game and especially not a character that you see once in a blue moon. Obscurity and unpopularity is by far the most powerful character "feature" you can have in your corner in Tekken. In T7, Gigas and Ganryu had by far the highest online winrates because their relative unpopularity and gimmickiness.

[@SS_Sin_Of_Pride]

As a Flame Ruler Kazuya main playing him past Mighty Ruler is a nightmare. P.S Xiaoyu hella needs nerf. A character with so much evasion should not have has good pressure as she currently has.

[@khunai5127]

I play hwoarang I like how technically good at the game you have to be even tho I’m not that good I wanna be good at him

[@chrig]

Give us the Jukebox Playlist reveal

[@DaPhenomAce]

Raven gets no love, but I mainly think because he is just a jobber story wise. My main though

[@pyromaximus8890]

Raven is well balanced I wish he faster power crush moves but man he can mix you up! Definitely my pick to counter lars 🧀 bs😂

[@kennedymensah6270]

damn and we called reina carried huh?

[@RenTheDragon1975]

As a Zafina Main I agree that I can still Knowledge Check my way to a free win sometimes, even at Blue Ranks. However I don't think this is the main factor in play. As she is not very strong in this game AND is an aquired taste the only people playing her in T8 are the true Zafina fans that played her in T6 and Tag 2 when she was trash Tier and the Few players that didn't just pick her up in T7 for her godlike movement. Therefore there are hardly any players that are losing while trying to learn the character. I guess more than 90% of Zaf players came in already knowing how the character and Tekken plays, only having to adapt to the Changes in T8 In Contrast you have Riena the cool new charater that everyone, including total beginners, want to play and shock horror she gets all the loss stats as players not only have to learn how to use her but also have to learn how to play Tekken itself.

[@BanditZDP]

I hit battle ruler , first time playing tekken. Yoshi main

[@superdoodle2]

Hwoarang not being popular historically is an interesting take. I played a lot of ranked in T7 and it felt like 50% of the meta was Hwoarang, 25% Law, 25% everyone else. It actually made me want to stop playing lol I hate Hwoarang

[@HarmanSingh-pc9qm]

I’m a Law Main, but picked up Hwoarang cause he looked super cool, and he’s fun. And like you said, the “cheese” (I think he’s pretty fair) is earned lmao

[@alexzandermanning6094]

Yeah yeah . D 3,4 -> 1 loops are soo earned

[@anyanythingthing]

They made Jin very easy to pick and play in T8. A good amount of difference from his T7 Version. Reina's winrate is kind of why I personally disagreed with your placement of Reina in the carried video, if she was a carried character all the newbies would be owning with her like they do with King/Drag in early ranks.

[@ssgcheddar5785]

Kuma. Panda, and Alisa have high win rates I think because of knowledge checks

[@seppukujordan5183]

I made it to Mighty and then switched character :D

[@howsitgoingwhiskerdude]

Damn, Leroy really went out with nothing to show for it :(

[@DarkAsylum25]

Thanks for the tip lotus I haven’t gotten to lab him yet because I’m new and been trying to figure everything out with raven 😂 but appreciate you

[@HuliO34]

My boy Steve got the second lowest win rate good lord

[@pyromaximus8890]

If you're not shinblade or a student of his you definitely ain't applying the pressure with most Steve's but that mf can be dangerous

[@kylethomas8655]

Nina jumps up the ranks alot for win rate