Love and Marriage for Medieval Citizens...

[@grapeshot]

The Real Housewives of Medieval Europe.

[@theimpossiblemary]

While you started talking about scandals when royals marry for love, I remembered the love story of D. Pedro I of Portugal and Inês de Castro, our own Romeo and Juliet. He was married when he met her through his wife (Inês was Constança's lady-in-waiting). He had to marry Constança because of an issue with the King of Castile (she was married to him first, but he then wanted to dissolve the marriage and marry Pedro's sister instead). Even when Constança died in 1349, Pedro and Inês were not allowed to live their love freely. The king, Pedro's father, asked three men to kill Inês in 1355, and she was assassinated while Pedro was gone. He never forgave his father, and when he became king, he had her corpse exhumed and crowned queen.

[@koriw1701]

That's a fascinating tale!

[@ignore8692]

slay tbh

[@Kathy_1991]

This story was in one of the first videos I watched on THIS CHANNEL (I don't remember what was it though). I was fascinated! So beautiful and so tragic at the same time ❤

[@shellydesormier4646]

‘With one person believing they were married and the other one not so much’....😂 That seems to be a type of marriage that’s still practiced to this day. 🐚🌸

[@king_pauper4749]

My favorite is hearing about "the good ol' days," and you see old-school celebrities who were married and divorced like 5 or 6 times.

[@Chipoo88]

Thank you. Margaret Beaufort married Jasper Tudor at age 12 (not 9) and gave birth to Henry at age 13 (very traumatically and considered young even at the time)

[@tla2119]

it wasn't. it was considerd young in 1900s

[@Chipoo88]

@@tla2119 1900s??

[@ShallowApple22]

She married Edmund Tudor the elder brother of Jasper he was 27 she was 12 and she was old enough to marry however it was thought barbaric that Edmond consummated the marriage with her at that age as she was small for her age and still seen as a child but she had started menstruation and by the church she was a "woman"

[@debrajones4010]

@@ShallowApple22I would’ve most likely been quartered and drawn or hung bc I couldn’t have just sat idly by while knowing this nasty, hairy tailed man was basically about to force himself on my little girl. We would’ve ran far, far away and became peasants.

[@Eurobeat_fan]

​​​​@@tla2119 no it was considered young because giving birth at 13 is way more dangerous than giving birth as an adult

[@Raycheetah]

There was a custom called "posting the banns," in which a couple seeking marriage would make their intentions known publicly, in order than anyone who had a legitimate prior claim on either of them could raise objections beforehand. This still survives in the commonplace "Should anyone present know of any reason that this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace." =^[.]^=

[@deborahberger5816]

The requirement to post the banns was also an attempt to prevent secret marriages and elopements.

[@janiscrammond7046]

Another great video. Thank you for all you hard work.

[@antoniomoreira5921]

For anyone interested there's a video about Medieval French romantic literature by Schwerpunkt that is quite useful

[@dmitrynightingale6614]

I just wish these videos had sources cited. Makes it hard to check the acciracy without them

[@ksimpp]

I love your content but if I'm being honest I HATE the recent AI art 😢

[@yogatreeoflife]

Does anyone know the name of the piece of music that is okayed right at the beginning of each Mediaeval madness video? Find it absolutely beautiful love to know who it is. Thank you for the vidoes!

[@LeighWilson-t3x]

Margaret Beaufort was actually 12 when she was married to Edmund Tudor. At the age of nine was required to assent formally to the marriage, which was basically the pre contract. And then she went on to have Henry at 13.

[@graceneilitz7661]

12 was the youngest that a girl could consent to a binding pre contract. If the pre contract was made before she was 12, than it was not binding. Boys could have binding contracts when they were 14.

[@LeighWilson-t3x]

@@graceneilitz7661 Ah, thank you for clarifying that for me. Just when you think you know most things of this period, you get more new information. Thanks

[@PlaymateTessiNumberOneFan]

The church from medieval times, would love today’s incels Those pure souls can not be tempted by the sin of copulation

[@truthagent7605]

I’m pretty sure they would be tempted easily

[@maryannlockwood7806]

I mean, without sex, there would be no more future congregants; which means no money for the church. 😅

[@boogiesmell5181]

incel = involuntary celibacy Preeeeeetty sure they could be tempted quite easily.

[@warriorjason2763]

@@boogiesmell5181sure but they would be looked down on since enjoying sex was outrageous even for married ppl

[@penny60995]

@medivalmadness As someone equally obsessed with the magnificent chaos of the middle ages, please stop using AI generated images in your thumbnails. They cheapen the look of the channel and discredit you as an a researched educator. The content of your videos haven't changed but I've noticed you using them as a crutch more and more!

[@juliajaeger8175]

I find it odd that they didn't want anyone to be having sex but yet they were dying like crazy and as a result really needed to reproduce!

[@bastiaanvanbeek]

Just accept that the Middle Ages, and especially religion, were full of contradictions. Logic and ethics weren't really present. As we can still observe if you look at today's religious countries. Religion isn't about logic, it's about what fits the agenda this way at one particular moment, and fits the agenda that way at another moment.

[@deborahdean8867]

You are out of touch with what marriage is. Marrisgecis to have a steady sex partner, and ensures the care of the woman and child because of pregnancy and childbirth , and the needs of the child . You cant just have people having sex behind every bush, getting prego and then who des the woman go to for help......which she will need. This way it stops jealousy, enables for smooth and fair transition of wealth, and endures people are taken care of, everyone knows who they're responsible for...... and agree to it. No welfare except for the church convents and monasteries

[@chrislakkas3962]

Stop being loyal to things that ruin your peace of mind.

[@TheCatsofVanRaptor]

Considering i probably added fourteen hours to your watch time last week, is nice to see a new video.

[@jessepacheco6020]

Invicta and History Marche are also some great history channels.

[@maryduhon9769]

Marrying for love, kills marriage

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

I just want ... to ... sing ... ♫♪♪♫♪♪

[@oliviapetrinidimonforte6640]

More likely, "subjects" not "citizens", unless they lived in one of the few republics.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

I think I read that in early times marriage wasn't considered worthy of the church proper, but might be performed on the steps or in the porch.

[@warriorjason2763]

honestly good for them, everyone was religious so they probably felt lower than but today, why the hell not just get married on a front porch

[@AlcibiadesMD]

@@warriorjason2763100% agreed 👍 we got married on the skirts of the Seine river, a powerful experience.

[@deborahberger5816]

Hey! I want to know what happened to.William and his two wives!

[@tinygrim]

still, many now can't say ..no... that's interesting. yet : o

[@hmmmmm64]

People do not know what love is until having veen married for many years.

[@Martial-Mat]

Just remember this, when American Christians whine on about the sanctity of marriage.

[@rheverend]

We don’t claim the Catholics. Sometimes seems they have done more damage to Christianity than Satan himself A bit confused as to what exactly your position is here. Do you not want marriage to be considered sacred? Is it a bad thing for marriage vows to be viewed as significant? Or are u just making the point that Christians don’t always live up to their own ideals when it comes to marriage? No one is perfect. That doesn’t mean that the ideals themselves are bad.

[@crystalcastillo7575]

loved this

[@Mister_Kourkoutas]

"Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna, and thousands died for it. Daemon Blackfyre loved the first Daenerys and rose in rebellion when denied her. Bittersteel and Bloodraven both loved Shiera Seastar, and the Seven Kingdoms bled. The Prince of Dragonflies loved Jenny of Oldstones so much he cast aside a crown, and Westeros paid the bride price in corpses. All three of the sons of the fifth Aegon had wed for love in defiance of their father's wishes. And because that unlikely monarch had followed his heart when he chose his queen, he allowed his sons to have their way, making bitter enemies when he might have made fast friends. Treason and turmoil followed, as night follows day..." - Ser Barristan Selmy

[@susannahdyro4845]

Nice to see your channel tonight I am always overjoyed when you're KZbin channel 😊

[@Pr0digyZRX]

I've actually experienced the group of people outside my room being loud and making dirty jokes while in the act before lol... but my door didn't lock and I had a couple unwelcome visitors as well... which ngl made things a bit awkward to say the least lmfao

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Unpopular opinion: Arranged marriages are more successful than love marriages. After all, love has expiration date.

[@jsin8048]

Some one must have hurt you bad dude. I got married at 20 and now I'm 31 with 2 kids and still love my wife we got together at 15 so we have been together more then half our lives.

[@TheCatsofVanRaptor]

Someone definitely wronged this human. I hope you get to find a forever love. They do exist.

[@sophielegay4104]

Does successful means staying married? Cultures promoting arranged marriages deeply disapprove of divorces so it's not surprising. If we rate the success of a marriage by the happiness (or just not miserableness) of the couple I'm sure we'll get different results.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@sophielegay4104 since when does happiness matter in humans' lives?

[@sophielegay4104]

@@valentinkambushev4968 huh? Is it missing something? Sorry not my native language

[@heathermichael3987]

That marriage is still as awful as always .

[@deborahdean8867]

Marriage is the best institution there is. It's the basis of survival and society. It's also alot of stress free fun and back up through life's challenges. Consider that you might be hanging around the wrong people.

[@Young.Simo01]

@@deborahdean8867Consider that people have different experiences hence different perspectives regarding various topics and maybe just quit shoving your beliefs down their throats, it's obnoxious and weird

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@deborahdean8867 Is that why 80 percent of my graduating class is unmarried--most vehemently among the women?

[@deborahdean8867]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver could be. Depends on how old you are. if you're 40, could be. If you're 28 or so, could be that or could be the economy. Young people usually arent as jaded as middle aged people. But 41% of people under 25 still live at home with parents because they cant find a job to support current day housing costs.

[@boogiesmell5181]

How about you start listing your sources, like a respectable channel.

[@bastiaanvanbeek]

This channel is just entertainment. He has nice videos, but you'll have to do some additional research yourself to find out what's actually true and what not. But most KZbin (and TikTok or Instagram) viewers aren't interested in reliable content anyway. They just want to be entertained.

[@boogiesmell5181]

@@bastiaanvanbeek and therein lies the problem. We shouldn't sacrifice veracity for the sake of simple entertainment. What would be the point? I just don't see why this channel hides its sources unless there's something fishy about it. Surely it wouldn't be so difficult to do. Other KZbin channels with historical content do it and it really does add credibility. "Do your own research" is a lazy abdication of responsibility.

[@bastiaanvanbeek]

@@boogiesmell5181 I do agree that including sources would be better, and I find the whole recent internet progression of "sensation" above reliability very unfortunate. It seems like people online are valuing truthfulness less and sadly rely on impression and intutition instead. The consensus among many TikTok, KZbin and Instagram users seems to be "if it sounds good, then it is good". That is troubling.