Love the Sinner / Hate the Sin - John Corvino

[@markuscriticus8278]

Really, most "love the sinner" people are basicly saying "I love everyone, even people who are so hard to love like you. I'm totally tolerant".

[@mrAZcardinal]

I say love the religious bigot, but hate the religious bigotry.

[@Strawberry_shortcake732]

Perrriod

[@noemidemelo8959]

This 👌

[@翰-u6z]

Perfect parallel

[@ShereeMotiska]

Thank you for being able to articulate this. My best friend, a gay man, is so tortured sometimes. I want him to be able to be ok in his skin before he's gone. I'm going to show him some of these. Thanks, John.

[@Romanusthedastard]

If you were a true friend you would help him stop being gay and make him turn to the truth before its to late

[@charlesrichards9803]

@@Romanusthedastardthat’s not how it works his only option is to be closeted and live a fake life. How would you feel about that if the table were turned

[@mcbuckets5457]

​@@Romanusthedastardyou can't force him to stop being gay

[@Romanusthedastard]

@@mcbuckets5457you can always try

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

I love Fran Lebowitz's take on this phrase: "Does the opposite of hating the sin but loving the sinner mean loving the virtue but hating the virtuous?"

[@VegasStreetLights]

thank you. God bless. if you are atheist, may luck be with you. :)

[@justanotherweirdo11]

@@VegasStreetLights I love your comment so much

[@FlamingoBriefs]

The whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" phrase is one example of what I believe is a "pretty" way to treat people with less dignity. To look me in the eyes and tell me glibly that you hate what I do but are willing to still love me comes off patronizing and does not in any way feel like an act of love. I'm not suggesting everyone must like all people's behaviors, but that phrase has an arrogant superiority to it that I believe is hurtful.

[@bangbangteng]

TRUTH from a Christian. Jesus doesn't tell us how to feel towards anyone, EXCEPT LOVE. Which he says to do for everyone. Any and all judgement belongs to God, and how anyone feels/reacts to/acknowledges that judgement is between the individual and God. No Christian who claims to follow Jesus Christ can ever pass judgement on anyone, for ANYTHING. Love is the only permitted Christian attitude towards another human, whether they be your mother, a gay neighbor, or Adolf Hitler.

[@alphaomega5721]

Implicit in all approaches that preach tolerance is a hidden bigotry. The aim of the morally courageous should be to NOT be tolerant, but rather question the bigotry that requires one to be tolerant.

[@FlamingoBriefs]

The whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" phrase is one example of what I believe is a "pretty" way to treat people with less dignity. To look me in the eyes and tell me glibly that you hate what I do but are willing to still love me comes off patronizing and does not in any way feel like an act of love. I'm not suggesting everyone must like all people's behaviors, but that phrase has an arrogant superiority to it that I believe is hurtful. I

[@ronsmith2241]

Jesus never said to love the sinner but hate the sin. In Matt 7:5f Jesus said to love the sinner but hate your own sin.

[@DonTullioRotondo]

Completamente errato. Amiamo il peccatore per aiutarlo a non peccare e anche perché non sappiamo fino a che punto il peccato è da lui voluto. Ci opponiamo al peccato perché è intrinsecamente malvagio.

[@1ProudFemaleAtheist]

Hate the beliefs. Not the believer. Really hard to do though.

[@mrfoltz]

That's what one of my sisters said to me and my partner of 21 years.. I said " Love the coment, there's the F*cken door"....

[@AuthorFEFeeleyJr]

The comments below that take umbrage with what this man has to say - are from religious folks who have all the religion without the morals and ethics that go along with it. That's like having a car with no engine and no transmission. Living off of cheap grace, while it may not condemn you to hell, is still like the spiritual equivalent of collecting a welfare check.

[@geekbaritone]

Those who say that homosexuality is a man made belief, I say Supernatural beings are a man made belief and just because there are opposites of certain things does not mean some one created them with a design in mind. That is a man made belief as well. It assumes that gay people made the a choice, as if people in general make a conscious choice to be gay or straight a one point in their lives, people are attracted to what their biology tells them, why would they go against it? just because? for the heck of it? ridiculous, it also says that because "god" created man and woman for reproduction purposes and "god" is infallible there is no possible way he created homosexuals but since god does not exist there must be a different explanation.

[@josephstout1461]

John, you are intelligent, thoughtful, articulate and hilarious. Maybe I say these things because I come from a very similar perspective, but that doesn't make them any less true. You have shown me new ways of approaching things and reinforced others. A few things are certain. Your parents, your sister, your friends and, most assuredly, your partner are all very lucky people. So am I now, for having found your work.

[@wickedcupcakes214]

I legit choked at the skit at the end.

[@unplannedsyntax]

What about, "Love the sinner, and we are all sinners."?

[@skokenos]

It isnt that someone completely stops sinning when they become a Christian, but rather we move from practicing and enjoying sin to a place where we feel great conviction when we sin that causes us to want not to sin and therefore we begin to practice not sinning. That which we can never succeed in doing completely. PAUL said. I do the thing that I dont want to do and the thing that I want to do, I dont do. This is the struggle with our flesh( our self desires) that each of us as Christians face daily. But though we may fail, and we all still fall short, the Lord assures us that his grace is sufficient for us. It's the heart (the inner most desires) that change when we become true followers of Jesus Christ. And obedience to Him is key. That obedience is to Love the Lord God with all our heart, mind, spirit and strength, and to love one another as if they were us. We are commanded to esteem all others above our own selves. But to esteem God and His word above anything and anyone including ourselves.

[@RCSVirginia]

Do I ever agree with you! Who needs people who negatively judge you and who do not support you?

[@pauldelgadillo1827]

A wise minister brought up this fact to me. One cannot judge another a sinner without acknowledging that the other has committed the sin. Thus it is impossible to love the sinner and hate the sin. Also, in many human situations, the issue of "sin" has to do with perception. If I am always taught to look at something as sinful. My viewpoint is tainted.

[@RCSVirginia]

The best comment that I read about this was left by another KZbinr who said that all the Bible Thumpers posted on KZbin amounted to nothing more than: "Blah, blah, blah ... the Bible says ... blah, blah, blah ... hate the sin, love the sinner ... blah, blah, blah ... I am a raving lunatic! ... blah, blah, blah."

[@j.s.l.2666]

I heard from Corvino that he's calling Christians out by their own standards. He asks that they emphasize love more than condemnation, which would be more consistent with the Gospels. He's not debating whether anything is a sin or not.

[@guyncali2]

That's not what Jesus said, and not how he lived. I can't tell by your comment whether you are gay and spouting what you think the bible says, or christian and spouting this non-sense. Either way, it's a mistake. And really back to topic, saying "love the sinner, hate the sin" is a self righteous, judgmental statement that points out others flaws and infers that ours are somehow less flawed. It's not a loving statement, whether or not you are saying it's sin.

[@1om8cat]

My comment had nothing to do with the point of the video, which btw, I agree with. I never said poisoning a cat was equivalent to raping a kid. The point is, as a cat owner I find his joke as tasteless as he would find a joke comparing a gay person with a pedophile. I deliberately used the comparison so he would understand how emotionally jarring I found his humor. Animal cruelty is not a trivial matter.

[@jonathanhuth7296]

For the most part it is just refering to sexual activity and not a persons feelings and emotions.

[@toltschin]

It never ceases to amaze me, straight males immediately think of gay as 'sex' - create some vision of two men doing 'something' - two women, of course, perfectly fine and a turn on. And, of course, straight behavior doesn't include any type of sexual activity of a similar nature, oh no! While of course, truth is, nothing different going on with any two people of the opposite sex vs the same sex - all depends on what any two people enjoy. Great video John! Identity is so much more than sex.

[@steveetheridge7655]

There is no sin. There is no good; there is no evil. There is no spoon.

[@NekoChanSenpai]

And what is my response to this lovely, insightful video? "I have that bowl!"

[@TZ2nd]

Loving the sinner is warning them about their sin. If you love someone you don’t want them to go to hell

[@karlonansson6047]

I think there's a lot more to this concept than just the homosexuality debate. I think this mindset of Hating is much more pervasive in Christianity that it should be. Anyone interested in discussing this topic in more DEPTH, come be a part of the conversation at my blog, whyhatethesin.blogspot.com/ . I see no reason why any flavor of hate should be a part of any True relgious expression... Come share your views!

[@JesusLopez-wk6tt]

It couldn't have been explained better

[@Resource777]

True love means loving enough that you are willing to say the truth because you want the best for the person. Homosexual sex is disordered. But the person is a Child of God and loved infinitely by him.. Jesus saves us from all sin. Call on His name. but do not call sin something good

[@ElissaJordanYouTuber]

Resource777 But for many homosexuals, that sin is who they are...therefore, you do hate them. You hate how they feel inside.

[@Resource777]

Elissa Jordan No. God loves us.. even though we are sinners. (Romans 5:8). We may feel lust, greed, pride, revenge, or be liers.. But God still loves us and wants to save us.. But these feeling or actions are not good and we must fight against them, and ask for God's grace. Feeling attracted to people of the same sex is not in itself something sinful, since it may not be something a person chooses. But acting upon this feeling is wrong since our bodies were not created for same sex sex . Whatever our struggle, we need to take up our cross and trust in God's grace and love for us, even when it is hard.

[@atheistbale6138]

God is a lie. There's no reason for a deity to exist in a universe which runs on its own. So don't waste your life trying to change your lifestyle or identity to match the ideology of a fantasy book, _live_.

[@GodsSonJasonJ]

Nice Vlog. Many people relate that statement to Christ/the Bible when in fact it was St. Augustine who coined it. "Jesus was all about Love the sinner and hate your own sin!" I always chuckle when I hear people being separated from their orientation. Ones orientation is simply who they are attracted to, not who they are having sex with. Whether I am praying, eating, reading the Bible to my children, showering, sleeping or choose to live celibate I'm still gay, no sexual activity needed :)

[@TheBc99]

great video john :) i totally agree. people should be more aware that gay relationships can be just as valid and wholesome as straight ones.

[@thoth9778]

it's not a sin

[@shaggygoat]

“Love the sinner, hate the sin” for vacuous definitions of sin such as “whatever my god doesn’t want (and I know what my god wants)” is a display of benign bigotry, analogous to benign sexism. (“Women are so much better at housework than men so it’s just the natural order that only men should have careers.”)

[@Eudaletism]

I'm pretty sure John is gay. He also supports gay marriage. And he has already discussed your question in another video, "Born This Way".

[@elinakrumina-priede7710]

No way?! Really. You are funny, he has photo of he and his husband behind him in every video.

[@TURTLEORIGINAL]

1 Corinthians 3:19 “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.” King James Version (KJV)

[@Grokford]

That’s what happen when you rely on Folk Christianity instead of scripture.

[@merrillbartle4174]

You twist the Scripture to defend your Homosexuality, you will not enter the Kingdom , Scripture tells this so plainly ✝

[@Grokford]

Yeah right get a better argument. Galatians 5:22-23 says that there is no law against love and If you want to ignore that then you are twisting scripture.

[@StahsayAli]

Warning Against False Teachers 3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. 5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discus

[@elinakrumina-priede7710]

Hey! I really love your philosophy and your thoughts, you are my favorite philosopher. Maybe you can help me with some deep solutions. My friend is christian, she knows that I am pansexual, we have no problems with that, because she had history with LGBT community (she was a part of it). But I know and feel that she can't accept it, she couldn't accept in her, and I think that she can't accept it in me. She is so confident about that pansexuality and LGBT minority in general is sin and is against bible and christianity. I am atheist so I don't believe and I am not interested in religion and I don't know in detail about it. But still I have so many christian friends, so I know some things. Can you suggest me something to change her mind, that any other sexual orientation that heterosexuality is not a sin, that love is love, and if god exists, then he would never take love away from people and would not forbid to be happy. Can you tell me something on this? Thank you!

[@byebbyeb1219]

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[@Grokford]

Galatians 5:22-24 lists fruits of the spirit, among them love(Greek agape love specifically) and says “against such things there is no law”. This follows Galatians 3:28 which states “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” ‭‭ Essentially negating the spiritual importance of gender. There are more or less six clobber passages in scripture(passages commonly cited to condemn Queer people) each of which have significant problems like the fact that none of them describe female homoeroticism and none ever address Queer relationships or love or how the story of Sodom is used to condemn Queer people because an attempted rape occurs in which the would be victims and perpetrators appear to be male. The major problem being that rape being bad is nota gender specific problem and the fact that the would-be victims were angels and had no human gender to speak of. Most anti-gay interpretations are based on little flaws in logic like that.

[@JamesGriffiths78]

Great channel - thanks for all the hard work.

[@spencerchristensen5766]

Love and Sexuality are two very different things.

[@ElissaJordanYouTuber]

Spencer Christensen How you deal with sexuality is the question...if your lustful, that's not right...if you have a monogamous and loving relationship (homosexual or heterosexual) that is love. They are one in the same.

[@atheistbale6138]

Sexuality is preference in who you love, so I guess there's a connection.

[@silentghost751]

Proof it’s not a sin?

[@nategraham6946]

I have also found the "lifestyle" thing super cringy, it is either just about sex, or a blanket term to cover all the negative stereotypes they want without actually saying them. And the sinner vs sin debate is pointless. Can an action occur without the person/people doing them? Does sex or murder happen without the people doing them? Assuming their side to even be tenable, which I don't see, do actions get judged on judgement day, or people? Do actions go to heaven or hell for eternity, or do people?

[@lynnbaker2336]

The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatant oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to both the formation and maintenence of the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison. While such complex reality is certain to come with a threat to the subjectively comparative sense of moral superiority of many, such is the cost of growth demanded by truth.

[@ArderiLazuli]

If you never lose a debate, who the hell are you debating against? Your dog and nine cats?

[@ELBSeattle]

Fantastic. Thanks!

[@beausiegelaub1887]

Hatred is a sin…. bible 101

[@1om8cat]

2. Because people do commit such acts, and I suspect this may have happened to my dog who died a horrible death vomiting blood.

[@preetumgiani1585]

I hate lies (the prototypical sin); I also hate liers, but at the same time have compassion for them (something made them that way). Loving sinners (or all of your neighbours, for that matter) is not only unnatural but priggish as well. I suggest that we give love a break, and espouse compassion instead.

[@SimonAlipio]

The fact that people kill others is not from God. Since the time of the human fall to the time when Jesus came, God could not communicate directly with man. In any case, God gave us freedom. We are responsible for our choices if not he would be a tyrant. No Parent can force their children to love them. They are plenty of man made secular beliefs.

[@ryanjones-to6xi]

I believe in the "Hate the sin, Love the sinner" because whenever a child goes astray from his or her parents teaching and has started using drugs, the parents can hate his or her actions and pray that the child makes a change.... But they can also love their child through those times and pray in hope for a change....make sense?

[@SimonAlipio]

cont 2... The first thing that A&E did after they fell is to hide their sexual organs in shame. The human fall is related to the misuse of love Every human on the planet struggles with controlling his or her sexual desires.

[@tjwdraws]

Yeah, you spoil an otherwise fine video with the cat poisoning joke. Having worked as a vet assistant and working to save poisoned cats, well, it simply isn't funny.

[@heidirobinson3352]

thank you for your videos

[@paveegypsy]

actually I dont say it is wrrong- it is simply not sanctioned in Christianity- although I believe that to be true my argument is non personal

[@ndbass09]

There is a difference in a spontaneous attraction and lusting after a gender. Empowering sexual thoughts about the same gender is certainly a sin, as it would be to lust after someone who you are not married to, for that is the same as committing the sin itself. To receive the blessings of God, you must be on His side. "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"- Isaiah 5:20

[@lynnbaker2336]

And those who throw the stone of subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred.

[@SimonAlipio]

Homosexuality is a man made belief created by fallen man. The whole creation is based on the duality of God. From the atom (+,-) to human beings (male, female) which God created in His image. This means that God is the perfect harmony of masculinity and femininity. Heavenly marriage is within God. We marry to resemble God and become co-creators with Him. John, you struggle with SS desire is not from God

[@himonfukwe]

A good question is how they would feel about "Love Christians, hate Christianity"...

[@jimscaggs2422]

No sir all that live a ungodly lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom of God 1Cor.ch6 straight, gay all that live outside the laws and precepts will perish.

[@jimscaggs2422]

Simon Botte and what is it that gives eternal life?

[@jimscaggs2422]

And oh by the way the apostles wrote as the Holy Spirit breathe into them the words.

[@wawa2]

Pernhaps a better message to those who would tell you that they "love" you but hate something innate in you is to tell them to just get the fuck away.

[@Lettering-Ink]

There's a big ol' crucifix behind his left shoulder. I think Jesus approves this message.

[@cynthsalas2429]

Why did you list “poisoning the neighbor’s cat” as a “minor misstep” near the beginning of this video? 😮 😢 I understand and agree with the overall importance and message of this video, but why use an act of animal cruelty alongside “fudging your taxes” and removing the tag on the mattress!?

[@walterwhite7554]

So do you mean that the instruction in Deut 17 to stone unbelievers to death is not actually one of the God" breathed" inspired Words of God? Is that the same for Leviticus killing? Are there other parts of the Bible you disagree with too as the Word of God? And you have added yet another example of something that was impossible for the Biblical God to do - communicate directly to man. Your ideas about the Bible and Christianity are rather different from the main stream views, but that's ok.

There are nearly 40,000 sects and branches of denominations inside Christianity. A growing number of them are welcoming and affirming LGBT people. More and more churches are facing modern medicine's overwhelming evidence that sexual orientation is real, not chosen, simply an innate trait in a person. There is nothing wrong with it. And thank God we don't live in a theocracy where nasty, narrow-minded fundamentalists rule.

[@EagleRockers]

There is no such thing as sin.

[@paveegypsy]

So you assert I do not understand because of one guy who does NOT refute that the Bible does not sanction homosexuality. The truth is that while a niche few hold a different view, the majority of scholars and apologetics hold to the traditional view.

[@SimonAlipio]

Believing in God as a Heavenly Parent does not mean that I do not take responsibility for my actions. Your post is not rational or coherent.

[@paveegypsy]

No actually you should refer to the book of acts in which God says " do not make unclean what I have made clean" and also when paul talks about food he clearly shows that the food regulations are not in place but he does actually condemn homosexual sex as well as any other form of sex not sanctioned- sanctioned being sex between married couples of opposite genders which is also made clear

[@paveegypsy]

That is such a terrible line of reasoning- I have never wished for a theocracy, people are free to live in anyway they wish. The points I was making were regarding the Christian Bible and faith. I have shown no lack of understanding these things and if I have please point out where

[@livvifellers4093]

Who I thought was a great youth leader told me today she thinks homosexuality is just as bad as murder and it made me very upset that she would be so close minded about my views well I think I'll be recommending this to her

[@SimonAlipio]

The Bible says that God created them in His image, [MALE and FEMALE], He created them. (Genesis 1:27). It is absolutely clear that God has the duality of Masculinity and Femininity. Actually the whole creation from the atom all the way to human beings has this duality [+,-]. It is everywhere in the creation. Jesus’ own words confirm what God said in Genesis 1:27 “Jesus answered, `Have you not read this? From the time God first made people, he made them A MAN and A WOMAN. 5 God said: “ A (more...

[@1om8cat]

And btw, I have no respect for those who think so.

Ryan, if you have a child someday who comes to you and explains they are gay, your child cannot change his sexual orientation no matter how much he prays. There was only 1 worldwide evangelical ex-gay ministry network, Exodus International. They have admitted nobody changed his sexual orientation after 4 decades of trying. Prayer, therapy, effort and demonic deliverance do NOT change sexual orientation. Some folks are gay. Period.

[@lynnbaker2336]

I have known married men who could only function with their wives by thinking of the male anatomy. Guess what? They are still gay! Similarly, men in prison who can only function with another man by thinking of the female anatomy are still heterosexual!

[@adamliberte8330]

Luke 6:37 - Judge not and ye shall not be judged. In your discussion of hating sin, you are really referring to hating the sin of other people. But it is not the sin of other people that we should be concerned with. We all must be concerned first and foremost with our own sin. Again in Luke 6:42 Jesus says, "(H)ow canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. If a person focuses on the sins of another person, he is really only putting off his own obligation to rid himself of his own sin. As we look around us, the world is filled up overflowing with sin and we are all saturated up to our ears in it. And this goes both for straight people and for homosexuals, for persecutors and persecuted of all types, the back and forth pointing fingers at the other, judging their sin, it is a big putting off of our own responsibility to ourselves. Jesus says in Mark 7:20 - "That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man." - And this goes for judgements we make upon other people. We are defiled by our own ignorance and it perpetuates our sin. So let us all look within and cast out our own sin before we say any word against another person.

[@felipea1844]

Wow! this doctor is self deceived.

[@RuviGaPo]

U kno somehow i'm pretty okay w being called a sinner. I mean i suppose i am. Taking out the second part actually feels a lot better who'd've thunk Still awful but like... preferable

[@StahsayAli]

1 Timothy 3-11

[@walterwhite7554]

Thank you for your reply. I accept you belief as you do and that is perfectly fine, because by God's Will you are own your own path. The power of belief is like an addiction in mankind and history shows that otherwise rational people will even defned their particular beliefs to the extent of killing other "unbleievers" as is described in the man-made Qur'an and the man-made Bible in Deut, 17. Wishing you God's Love, Truth and Peace

[@SimonAlipio]

cont...thru animal offerings to try to reach God. After the fall, God had to deal with humans who were divided between 2 masters: God and Satan. God had to choose which humans were the less evil. History shows this pattern. In the cold world, God was with the free world.It does not mean that the free world was perfect and that what they did was 100% God's will.You cannot look at the Bible without understanding this conflict between God and satan with an unreliable divided humanity in the middle

[@Numbuh7]

Pretty sure it wasn't a joke, it was an example.

[@paveegypsy]

I actually am merely coming from a neutral perspective stating what the Bible says. The Bible in the OT and the NT without doubt does not sanction gay marriage- if people want to live by the Bible then what must they do? If people dont want to live by it, then why are they even discussing it?

[@Teachthecross]

Exactly!

[@fgrfish]

Love the Sinner / LOVE the Sin !

[@christiancarpenter5567]

so your puting mans evil in Gods place? its called sin for a reason. i struggle with pornography, and i am ashamed of myself, are you gonna tell me i should keep watching awful things happen to people? who in what mind would think thats ok? imagine if i was a killer, and i murdered people all the time, would you tolerate me? or would you say to me "stop and repent."? my friend, my problem with society, and modern day church is its become less about what God wants for us, and has turned into mankinds approval. nuff said.

[@fgrfish]

@@christiancarpenter5567 Comparing masturbating with killing people is dumb and manipulative. And stop shoving YOUR superstitions down the throat of those who don't believe in them. Why should we live our lives based on YOUR imaginary friend's opinions?

[@davemarks1136]

@@fgrfish shaddup

[@pwesiti]

you should run for political office!!!

[@bobbybowers356]

The Bible clearly says to love what God loves, AND to HATE what God hates. And God does NOT love everyone. A couple (but not all) verses referring to this: Psalm 5:5 says God HATES all workers of iniquity. Psalm 11:5 says God’s soul HATES the wicked, and those that love violence. To hate with your soul is a pretty deep hatred. Numerous other verses speak of God abhorring nations, or cities. The definition of abhor is to regard with disgust or hatred. It doesn’t take a mastermind to see that God has hated people. Like when He drowned every single person on the earth, except 8. And when He burned up Sodom and Gomorrah. He only spared Lot and his family. And what about what He is going to do during the great tribulation? Does that sound like “ unconditional love”?

[@nathanstafford8412]

I don't think it's a good thing to tie your identity to what you do. I very much enjoy woodworking, and arranging flowers, and cooking a delicious breakfast. That doesn't mean that my person is defined as a cook or a woodworker or a florist at heart. It would be more accurate to say that I am a creative person, and those are examples of outlets of my creativity. How this might apply to this argument is that it's probably not especially helpful to say that you are gay in identity. Rather, you are a sexual being, and as a man, having sex with another man is simply an outlet you choose for that sexuality. In either case, what you do has nothing to do with identity, because that's simply not what identity is. Identity all about who you are on the inside. That identity then projects itself into what you do. Basically, identity isn't about what you do. It's about why you do those things.

[@B_with_13_Es]

you rock :)

[@tonybennett4159]

I for one am not equivocal about the "Love the sinner, hate the sin" mantra. It is a scarcely concealed attempt to justify prejudice, plain and simple, so the attempt to drag "love" into it is patently dishonest. Homosexuality......the clue is in the name. Remove the sex and you have homouality, which I guess what the religiously inspired would prefer it to be. Not that it is any of their business anyway.

[@datadev1]

Well said.

[@paveegypsy]

Well in this world people are free to do as they choose- nobody is disagreeing with that. The issue is this chap is trying to enter into the Christian world by badly debating points that he does not even understand

[@jeremyschaumann1827]

except for the part that the word "homosexual" is less than 200 years old, aka any Bible (a book written > 200 years ago) that contains that word (homosexual) is a sure bet inaccurate. Are you reading an inaccurate translation of the Bible? I'm not saying the Bible doesn't comment on Man on Man action, I'm saying that the inclusion of the word "homosexual" in any text claiming to be older than 200 years is both very deliberate (suggesting malignant intentions) and very shady to say the least.

[@skokenos]

The problem isnt anything but that you deny that the bible is the infallible word of God. You dont realize that someone is trying to save you (through the truth of the gospel) because they love you enough to tell you that truth rather than to say what you prefer to hear.

[@Grokford]

You say that people deny that the Bible is infallible but what you mean is that they deny that you and your interpretation are infallible.

[@markwilkie7633]

What we are is children of god. We are never defined by what we do

[@giuffre714]

Mark Wilkie What if you lay bricks?

[@holzmann-]

amen

[@theshadowforger775]

This went too far! How dare you rip the tag off the mattress? Monster.

[@nonameyet9165]

John, you have philosophically convinced yourself that your immoral lifestyle is OK. And I admit you are very good at it. But it will not change anything when you stand in front of the Lord. There is no tricking God. I'm certain you will pick apart my statement as well but that still will not make your choices right. If you continue to live like this you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You like simple explanations, I can see from listening to you. So there you are.

[@letters_from_paradise]

*you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.* I'd also have a hard time entering North Korea, so it's a good thing that I don't want to. :-)

[@AbdulMannan-jx1yc]

Hmm a question who are you to decide that by the way?

[@Grokford]

There is no law against love(Galatians 5:22-23)

[@lynnbaker2336]

The description of homosexuality as a lifestyle is a blatant oversimplification of human sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular. Such indoctrination of the collective societal psyche is paramount to both the formation and maintenence of the self validating delusion of heterosexuality possessing moral validity. The reason that we never hear the term " heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison. While such complex reality is certain to come with a threat to the subjectively comparative sense of moral superiority of many, such is the cost of growth demanded by truth.

[@SimonAlipio]

cont 1... man must leave his father and mother and must stay with his wife. The two of them will be LIKE ONE PERSON.” 6 So they are not two people any more, but THEY ARE ONE PERSON. Man must NOT separate what God has joined together”. We marry to resemble God. God is the union of masculinity and femininity in perfect harmony. He is our Heavenly Parent (Father and Mother). Homosexuality is not part of God. It is one of many consequences of the human fall and part of our fallen nature. (more...

[@gpguy2]

I don't think he likes cats :(

[@beausiegelaub1887]

Same-gender attraction is not a sin. Hate is a sin. Please change that part of your life so you may inherit the kingdom of heaven. Thank you.

[@Tephie21]

But what if gays can get married?