Loving This Modern VIBE! -- EPIC the Musical: The Ocean Saga BLIND REACTION

[@KingsBard]

Fun fact: While no one's Ruthlessness animatic has the Laestrygonians, they are the deep voices echoing Poseidon in the chorus, we didn't know this until one of the saga debut streams in Jorge's lyric and narration subtitles

[@PandoranMama]

TheeArteest's Ruthlessness animatic actually has the Laestrygonians! =D

[@KingsBard]

@@PandoranMama OOH thanks for telling me, I love seeing new animatics

[@icemagiciangh]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Anni’s Ruthlessness what really bumped up Epic’s animatic attention? (It’s what my friends and I saw across so many platforms, at least). We didn’t have the Laestryogonian descriptions back then, Gigi or Anni. Relatively recently they’ve been brought more into the official spotlight. I didn’t even know Jorge’s vision was that the ship straight up _flew away_ due to the wind bag’s power until the livestreams

[@icemagiciangh]

It’s actually kind of funny when people draw or think he’s upset that his son is hurt. Not Gigi or Anniflama’s, though. They draw him like “You made _me_ come _all the way over here._ Come on. You know how long the commute is?? Time for you to pay with bloodshed, I guess.”

[@tsutomumybeloved7411]

I love their animatics exactly bc of that!! If you think from the lense of Ancient Greece, Poseidon’s anger didn’t really come from a place of fatherly protectiveness, at least not entirely. Ancient Greeks were kinda obsessed with dying an honorable death. If you were murdered or died from some undeserved circumstance, you would be honored. However, being maimed and becoming disabled after being attacked was seen as a source of shame. Poseidon was pissed at Odysseus for not killing Polyphemus because now his son, on top of being a monster who was outsmarted by mortals, would have to live the rest of his life as a blind cyclops. That reflects badly on Poseidon, because it shows his children are weak and/or can be hurt without consequence.

[@kyratries]

yeah I definitely got that vibe of ‘ugh this potato of mine, loser ugly son I abhor, if I’d known I’d have to go confront some Greeks about it one day I would have killed him when he was born and saved the time fml’

[@serendipitish]

​@@tsutomumybeloved7411 One aspect that occurred to me on last listen-through: Odysseus also gave Polyphemus lotus, which they said "never lets go". So not only is his son now blind, but possibly dependent on eating lotus.

[@artemisfowl7332]

My favorite angry Poseidon is definitely neals cause she never has Poseidon bring himself down too a mortals level. He shows that he is truly a force of nature that they angered

[@hectornonayurbusiness2631]

Your life sucks but your soundtrack is banging. Relatable.

[@nadyasilva_]

Just to add a bit to the Ruthlessness reaction: If you look closely at the lyrics, Poseidon wasn't saying he "wronged children" per se, it was the opposite actually... ...The whole song, Poseidon was basically saying "Why didn't you just kill my son? I wouldn't even need to be here had you just killed him just like you offed that baby earlier" after all --> Ruthlessness is MERCY upon OURSELVES. So by being merciless to others, he's showing mercy to himself and his crew. Edit: I just wanted to explain the lyrics a bit cause, this song in particular, is hard to catch the message conveyed in a first listen.

[@palmer1495]

“Ourselves” can also mean Odysseus, and Poseidon. Had he been merciless, Poseidon would not have had to murder his crew.

[@snakebitcat]

Poseidon would have been angry if Odysseus had killed Polyphemus, but he would have been able to accept that it was vengeance for the deaths of the men Polyphemus had killed. But maiming Polyphemus, leaving him alive, and then taunting him? That was an offense that could not be allowed to go unpunished.

[@deathstrokecat5390]

Fun fact! Jorge said the more a god is involved the more modern/electronic elements get introduced

[@samgardner6607]

To add to the fun facts when Poseidon tells him " I'm your darkest moment" He actually was repeating what Odysseus actually told the cyclops in the end of the "Remember Them" song

[@calebeaton8777]

So just to be clear, when people talk about the gods having the choirs and summoning voices, there are two types of choirs. The synthetic choirs made on a keyboard are just instrumental. But if a choir or anyone not present is singing lyrics those are summoned by a non mortal. Hope this helps really loving the reaction so far.

[@Jeff-fo3ck]

Hello! In the musical, mortals can have a "choir" but only through other mortals (the crew for example) While the Gods can summon their own choir out of thin air.

[@Zyzzyva72]

So this is VERY nitpicky, but it doesn't have to be other mortals for a mortal's "choir" - prime example being the backing vocals during Warrior of the Mind when Ody tells Athena he knows who she is, where Athena is the source of his backing vocals (I assume because she likes his enthusiasm)

[@ericsanford536]

It's worth remembering that in ancient Greece mercy was not considered a virtue. The gods demanded total victory in battle (ie destroy them utterly) and to 'spare' a defeated enemy was an insult to them, not a mercy. As such P-daddy is actually mad that Odysseus didn't kill his son, because maiming him and letting him live would have been considered MUCH worse. That and when he asks Ody to appologize he instead tries to justify (which is hubris). There is some debate whether it would have mattered but i suspect Wet Hades would have killed ONLY Ody if he begged for mercy and spared his men. By instead insulting the god by trying to justify what he did instead of begging for mercy he earned the full 'kill all your friends then you' treatment.

[@diablovia6950]

Actually, when we look at apology also in an ancient greek setting, this is actually the right way to do it: "The Greek philosophers Plato, Isocrates, and Aristotle described apologia as an oratory to defend positions or actions particularly in the sense of a legal defense. Socrates believed an apology to be a well-thought justification of accusations made." - Wikipedia on 'apologia' Also dude was really really sleep deprived... I dont blame him for not being able to think quickly enough on his feet after 9 days awake and then an obvious betrayal by (someone on) his crew.

[@just_peachy3582]

So in terms of choirs, non-diegetic choirs are associated with gods. However, diegetic choirs, like the crew, are very human. And Eurolychus’ instrument is actually the crew. Otherwise, he adapts to the situation or other people. But the crew’s voices are consistently his “instrument”. Hope that helps! :)

[@icemagiciangh]

Is this a Mortius viewer I spot?…

[@richardhughes8111]

The crew is a bit different from the usual choir, if people are present then the choir is not necessarily divine but the gods are the only ones who can summon a choir without other people being present. But the crew specifically also serve as Eurylochus' instrument.

[@DJOrbitDecker]

You don't need to be sorry about pausing and getting your thoughts out! Transformative content is always welcome

[@pumpkin2986]

Transformative is welcome and encouraged! 🤝

[@anbuunit9611]

Did you like anniflamma’s ruthlessness it’s my favorite cause it also leans into Poseidon god of tides creator of horses and it makes Poseidon seem more like an insurmountable threat more than just an angry force or nature check out Gigi’s too it’s good too I just prefer anni’s

[@icemagiciangh]

Same. Love them both. They both have their moments to me, but that horse’s teeth, man. And seeing the closeup faces of the people drowning makes it so much more personal. Gigi’s is good if you watch her KYFC first because you know the wind bag’s design and Aeolus. Anni’s is good even as a stand alone. It doesn’t really matter which artist’s version you saw before it. (unless it was Gigi’s, then you’d be lost to the plot). 😂

[@elieli2893]

My personal favorite is tamatama's Ruthlesness, but in Anniflamma's one I absolutely love the part with the destruction of the fleet, the frantic, desperate feeling of it, and the viewer seeing things basically from the perspective of a slowly drowning crewmember. It's chilling!

[@TheJenniVerse]

Same but my personal favorite is Neal Illustrator's Ruthlessness, the crew is moving around and doing stuff to stay alive unlike in some where they are just in the background. Also, the amount of water horses is great.

[@Gotofy105]

The Luck Runs Out animatic doesn't understand the "Thank you" Odysseus gives Eurylochus. Odysseus is not actually giving a sincere thank you, what Odysseus is saying in his expatriated thank you is, "I should not have to tell you this. Your loyalty has to be unwavering so why am I having to ask you to do your job?"

[@CCaseyTnT]

Take a shot every time she says the word "Modern" lol

[@erysithe7636]

What a coincidence I was just watching your reaction to the Cyclops saga when I see this on the sidebar and see that it released 30 minutes ago. Just in time for a final video before bed.

[@JewelShadow]

Ruthlessness feels a lot more like metal vocals than western to me. With the electric guitar especially

[@KaitheKnightly]

Alot of the songs have a modern tone in order to grasp a more modern audience. So those who usually don't like musicals can like this song and follow along easier. Plus, Jorge mentions this is a new modern retelling of the Odyssey. So makes sense to have a modern feel to the music to prove it's a new version of telling the story.

[@nathansmith4030]

Glad to see the series continue!

[@MammalianCreature]

Same, I thought she lost interest. Glad to see it was just put on hold

[@kyratries]

Me too! ❤

[@doodletoast9013]

The choir of the crew is actually eurylochus’s “instrument” as he’s the second in command and main voice for the crew!

[@SummerSky2002]

The musics are diagetic so when the crew starts singing they are really talking. While the gods can bring their own choir and are mostly synth instruments. So no they aren't taken over by the gods. Also Eurylochus "instrument" are the men so if he has a big moment, the crew will sometime sing with him or support him

[@andronixbegayaf]

I can't wait for you to get to the next saga. In the last video you said you like strings, huh? Well no one has better strings then the puppeteer herself

[@fossilmcfossilson4742]

Commenting again to say I've finished updating the wisdom saga animatics - the last one is the mash up of canon animations from the livestream because it's just too good not to be! So you're good to go through up to date now. Also I was rewatching some of your older analysis vids on Stolas and Blitzø and so on, and I'd love to see your take on a deep dive into Fizz sometime!

[@kyratries]

Thank you so much, this is so much to watch and I have you to thank! You want to get me started on Fizz? I can talk about Fizz! I can talk A LOT about Fizz!

[@fossilmcfossilson4742]

@@kyratries I definitely want to get you started on Fizz! He's my main boy for fandom rp purposes, and everyone should always talk about our Best Clown Boy.

[@zyke02]

Yass🎉 waited so long for the continuation of EPIC lol 🥹🥳

[@Iejir_Isk]

For such a wise person... Also, I love this Anni's Poseidon (on it's own but definitely hi)s reaction to the apology. "You.... really aren't paying attention to what I've been saying, are you?"

[@agent941]

i’m your darkest moment is what ody said to the cycops when doxing himselfe

[@clintboelt3248]

Can not wait for your reaction to the next sagas! Some of the best songs are coming up!

[@songsayswhat]

Poseiden is also the god of horses. No idea why--something about waves looking like horses or something. I think whoever th oguht that up had drunk too much wine. Anyway, this is my favorite animatic for this song. Creepiest horse ever.

[@secondsea2]

My guess is the Greeks looked at wild/untamed/dangerous, and were like, yeah, the ocean, storms, earthquakes, and horses, those all fit!

[@allenfortenberry9924]

So, Poseidon is one of the older Greek gods and actually went through some decent changes between our early records of him and what we got in works like the Odyssey. Back then he was actually an underworld god seemingly doing the job of Hades who we don't have proof existed yet. That connection to the underworld is likely why he first got associated with earthquakes and he was part of a group of three underworld connected gods all related to horses. The other two gods would go on to become Demeter and Persephone

[@alexeysimushov4971]

Poseidon’s instrument are trumpets by the way

[@Jp-lz8vv]

i think that poseidon was mocking odysseus when asking for an apology thats why the next line said he was naive and to hopefull

[@dakodareid3807]

I've said it before, but your face is so expressive. Also where are you from I really can't place the accent you have, unless you've traveled and would explain why I can't place it, also are you a natural red head? Sorry I'm a ginger and just curious Edit: sorry for all the questions I just love the reactions you put out on this

[@kyratries]

haha it’s fine! My mom is an immigrant from Holland so there’s a bit of that, I was born in Ontario so you probably hear some Canadian, then I grew up in Montana and live in Pennsylvania now, so my accent is probably a weird mishmash of all those places. I was a redhead as a kid but I think my hair is pretty much brown now! But it might have red undertones, who knows?

[@dakodareid3807]

@@kyratries cool no wonder I couldn't place it you've seemingly traveled around. Unless you dye you're hair there's definitely some red in there

[@imajinacxic6300]

4:30 gods use electric instruments and all of them have diferent melodies, if their domain is shared they will have the same melody but diferent instrument. (Or so we were told by Jorge) Odysseus has the vocals with his crew but the gods also have their own vocals ps if you finnish your reactions by the 31st of this month you will be just in time for the release of the new saga you are missing the circe saga, underworld saga, thunder saga, wisdom saga (i think you will probably love this one the most) on the 31st the vengance saga will be released

[@ThePr1nceOfNothing]

Fun Fact, the gods/goddesses/higher beings have a more electronic instruments compared to the humans, like Odysseus, Eurylochus, Penelope etc. who have real instruments.

[@KaitheKnightly]

Keep Your Friends Close is my fave of this Saga. ❤❤❤

[@astellis11]

When talking about the choir that comes in the start of Storm, since you have the foresight of already knowing about Posideon it makes sense to draw the connection of the choir being some foreshadowing for him. But thinking about the song as an individual, I like to think about the choir being for the storm itself, it is the antagonist of the song.

[@radicaledward84]

Welcome to the start of the "What?" saga. By the way, there's no stop you say and... I feel like Storm being in 7/8 helps. You get to the next bar before the moment you expected the previous one to end.

[@MJAnonymous6003]

The way Jorge has explained the layering of vocals among the crew and the gods differs. With the gods, it's just that they can layer their own voice over itself multiple times (consciously) while when the crew sings together as a choir it's either as Eurylochus' instrument or just as the crew itself.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

I absolutely love Luck Runs Out, and I felt that reaction when the ghost of Polites appeared for a moment.

[@KaiserinReine]

I love your reactions to epic. The next saga is a favorite of mine and I hope you react to that one as well. Also pause as many times as you want. You don’t need to apologize for it. If people want to watch the videos without pauses they can just watch the originals!

[@fossilmcfossilson4742]

Lovely to see you back with more Epic! Great reactions and thoughts as always

[@EDamaya-fz8tc]

Diagetic choirs are mortal, non-diagetic choirs and gods. Diagetic basically means that it's physically created by something in the scene. So choirs by mortals must be done by other mortals present, so the crew is Ody's choir. While the gods have choirs of people who do not actually exist. :)

[@nichthrafn]

Love the reactions!! ^_^ I've been looking forward to seeing your response to this one.

[@kyratries]

What an awesome saga! Looking forward to more!

[@makkoslade]

The chanting from the crew is Eurylochus background instrument

[@ashleyayer2782]

your gonna love thunder sgasg and wisdom i suggest the liestream version

[@colt1903]

Can't. Most people just aren't allowed to post reaction videos to the Livestream version after it's already aired. Mortius has special permission, iirc.

[@kyratries]

I’ll take a listen even if I can’t upload a reaction!

[@KaitheKnightly]

​@kyratries reactions to fan animatics are fine. And honestly there are amazing ones for both sagas. But yeah if you wish to watch the livestreams on your own time. I Def recommend them because you also get to see the creator in the corner reacting along with you. 😂

[@colt1903]

@@KaitheKnightly I dunno if you can call "smiling evily at the pain he knows he's causing us" reacting along with us😂

[@Zerelex]

Fun fact odysseus’ mom is played by Jorge’s mom

[@Vegetafan1997]

Gotta love the what saga.

[@ciaranrivera2902]

I hope you're doing well, and that your future is blessed! This musical is really good from what I know, but DO prepare for emotional damage.

[@mikebecker2626]

Does anyone have any info on when kyra is going to post again? It's been 2 weeks, and I was really excited to see her get into LOVM season 3 but now I just want to make sure everything is going ok.😢 let us know hopefully she's just busy

[@christophercobler9774]

Idk where she lives, but considering her last post was right before those two Hurricanes hit the SE US, I'm guessing that might be where she is, or was. Hope she is ok

[@foolich]

love your reactions XD

[@razependragon7472]

Thx for the reaction

[@JakeCamyo]

YAAAAAY!!!! FINALLY MORE EPIC!!!!

[@MelissaRodriguez-d6o]

Rollin Trafficway

[@wynnefox]

Something a lot of people forget is before all this happened, Ody took his First Mate down to the Cabin and was like, "I need you to trust me and I need you not to question me or to sew doubt in the men." Meanwhile, he did nothing to stop who ever did it from sneaking up and stealing the bag.

[@icemagiciangh]

I feel like he was saying more, “Don’t doubt me in front of the men. We’ll die if people start doubting each other.” Eurylochus had shown clear signs of distrust, and that’s why Ody didn’t trust him with the bag. If Eurylochus hadn’t said those things in front of their crew, I think Odysseus would’ve trusted him more.

[@Ariancia.Thystarian]

@@icemagiciangh Agree that is the reason Odysseus doesn't let Eurylochus take the second shift of guarding the bag. But I also kind of think that if he had followed the wind god's advice of "keeping your enemies closer", given Eurylochus that trust, even if he didn't deserve it, that it would have made Eurylochus feel responsible to keep the bag closed and honored Odysseus trust.

[@allenfortenberry9924]

Also, while some people talk about how Eurylicus is the voice of reason in 'Luck Runs Out' he isn't actually using logic or reason and instead pure emotion. They had just found the one safe spot in the middle of a storm that was so bad Eurylicus did little except keep telling his captain that they were all going to die. Odysseus knows that the fleet can't survive the storm so he only has one choice, try to talk to a being that has the power to help them. At the moment Eurylicus is essentially telling Odysseus that he shouldn't even try to save the crew beyond just staying below the island and somehow hoping that a) the storm the Odysseus already suspects is divine goes away, and b) that never acknowledging the owner of the place you are sheltering at won't upset them

[@MildredCrawford-s4e]

Kautzer Freeway

[@AngelaMeacham-q9k]

Candace Brook

[@Jeff-fo3ck]

Heyy! I'm early 😂

[@leadingblind1629]

I don't recall if music makes you cry easily. But I've noticed you are weepy in general . I recommend boxes of tissues as you continue. I'm mildly surprised you held it together for the end of Ruthlessness 😅 just trying to help

[@sunnysunsins]

"Modern" x 43

[@Manyfetch]

I wish I could say I enjoyed this reaction, but by the 7th comment in a row about "so modern" I just desperately wanted you to move on to some new topic