"I'm a jungler but I love to play fill" wait, aren't those the same thing?
@TheOctoJon2 жыл бұрын
seriously, i get stuck holding lane for top's tp plays, and mids roams more than i actualy gank, half my games lol
@Zalied2 жыл бұрын
Remember when chosen roles first came out and fill just ment support main
@mw24012 жыл бұрын
I think im more guilty of playing too aggressive and losing games from overextending as support than playing too passive
@flameofmage10992 жыл бұрын
Me too. I'm always playing too aggressive
@davypuppy2 жыл бұрын
I’m probably the Lux in the video but instead of backing away, I look for opportunities to auto attack, farm some spellthiefs, then get hooked and dies, lol
@anonymousartichoke2 жыл бұрын
I used to play way too passive and then overcorrected oops 💀
@DANtheman-90 Жыл бұрын
its not your fault dude its the adc, if the adc isnt there, its jungle's fault
@44EricRH44 Жыл бұрын
That's my #1. And in the past I used to do the classic: dying for a lost cause (trying to save someone in an insanely bad position), I've gotten much better with this one though.
@andyfrost33392 жыл бұрын
Hector's mind went crazy playing in low elo, the Japanese import needed to substitute for Hector for awhile.
@sakke71042 жыл бұрын
"Don't make risky plays early and don't hold back too much" *laughs in Draven*
@MelinoeIII2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, I’m barely playing anymore but I always watch you guys.
@kevincervantes47832 жыл бұрын
The lux not trading with the ez broke my heart 🤦🏻♂️
@noahtukker27212 жыл бұрын
Thats why he showed it that's the whole point ur comment just broke my heart 🤦🏻♂️
@petercottantail78502 жыл бұрын
@@noahtukker2721 toughen up kiddo it's not that bad
@SomeGuyXD652 жыл бұрын
I might be guilty of the first one, being spam pinged or told im griefing for wanting to be make the right play might still be buried in my mind somewhere.
@D0omsday7792 жыл бұрын
I actually have an opposite issue. I play Nami borderline suicidally aggro due to how I picked her up. When her E got spell hits, my brother and I started playing Kat/Nami bot due to kit synergy. Fun fact: playing an enchanter with a melee carry has some quirks to it and I play like that with anyone. You are basically playing 1v2 until an all in happens.
@The4Tifier2 жыл бұрын
While this is all good advice, the main problem I find is the commentary’s overall theme; “Whenever you make a mistake, the opponent will make a Challenger-level macro play and you’ll start losing…” This is low-tier for a reason. Everyone sucks.
@SaucyDangles2 жыл бұрын
"Ideally we ping out jungler to come" Yeah good luck with that
@GubbiGap2 жыл бұрын
I swear every time I play with my team (Silver/Gold) we can always predict those stupid invades and we end up killing whoever came in there. I completely agree with this! Don't invade without vision EVER!
@renneverbright10 ай бұрын
It's gonna be the repeated death of me one of these days when I just walk into enemy jg as Senna to place a ward by raptors. Thankfully I'm bronze rn so it's good vision on enemy jg but I'm not going to last long
@GubbiGap10 ай бұрын
@@renneverbright I think that ward is fine - I use it too as the midlaner and I've only been punished once for placing it in the last 50 games. I wouldn't go any deeper with no vision though.
@ChannelSix2 жыл бұрын
It would be helpful if you could reference another video about the dynamics of freezing and pushing the waves. There were some ideas put forward in the video that I think are so simple to the commentator that he breezed over them a little quickly.
@dee62152 жыл бұрын
Second problem is definitely something I have more than first even though I play ranged supports (mages/enchanters and senna). I tend to play very aggressive and position in front of my adc (like closer to enemy turret compared to my adc not literally in front of them xD) and sometimes I'd trade badly and not really know what to do after. It would be bad spot to recall (I don't have enough gold for anything but I'm too low on health/mana) but if I stay I die or have to play way too passive. But I hope I'll be able to fix this, I've actually made good progress for someone who just started playing the game for the first time ever few months ago so I'm hopeful
@DanteCrowlley2 жыл бұрын
*More Hector in low elo playing all champs, I wanna see his speed run into losing everything*
@littlesilver97262 жыл бұрын
I kinda disagree with the last point (Invades). If all 5 players of a team go ahead and invade the enemy team they are more likely to win even if the rush into potentionally warded territory. - More often than not at least one player of the enemy team is gonna take a couple extra seconds or even more until they move out of base. Which is going to make your invade a 5 v 4. - Not everyone is going to realise that the enemy team has a hook champion therefore they are likely to spread out. Which also makes your invade advantagous for your own team. - If you invade with stronger level 1 Champions (preferable not just the support) than the enemy team you are also more likely to win. This of course is only my own experience from playing Silver-Plat players. Maybe in Dia, Master and Challenger every player moves instantly out of base and knows perfectly when to counter invades.
@karsonkammerzell69552 жыл бұрын
Oh I know this one! It's "Stop expecting your ADC to be good" right?
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
If you're a good support, you will actually help carry and lift up your adc.. that's the whole reason to being a support.. if you rely on your adc.. you should not play support honestly XD
@Marso13372 жыл бұрын
A good support can make bad ADCs look good.
@popanda36522 жыл бұрын
As a support main, when i play mid or adc it drives me nuts when i play well and get us an advantage just for my support to litteraly be full hp and mana while im oom and low hp because they dont fight, then inevitably losing lane and gold from passive laning
@QuinnTheTailor2 жыл бұрын
having a passive support is basically 1v2. Passive supports wait for something to go wrong before they take action. Supports are meant to create distance and safety for the ADC... but thats not happening when the support is always at full health staying in the background. And its really frustrating to play with passive supports.
@VividVortex2 жыл бұрын
TOP 1 LOW ELO SUPPORT mistake: expecting to win by doing nothing.
@elgatochurro2 жыл бұрын
Basically anyone who doesn't play support
@swissgoat49812 жыл бұрын
Or expecting the adc to just kill stuff. Let's be real, the support is often the difference maker lol.
@grid4622 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Right now I mainly main Zyra and Maokai as support with some Taric etc. Very little entirely relevant coverage for these slightly off-meta champs seen
@heyst132 жыл бұрын
Gold 3 support here. I think my biggest issue is how much I die. At first, I argued it was better for Support to die than a carry/or that vision was essential for my laners to be safe and then I’d die warding. When is it worth to die for a laner? Or is it simply not worth in Solo Queue? And is it worth to ever go for risky wards when you know the enemy has control? (For example, the enemy has already moved into a favourable position by an objective)
@heyst132 жыл бұрын
@@bjornprinz3900 I average 7+ deaths. I think it's the most obvious issue atm
@loafofbread94002 жыл бұрын
Dying while warding is trolling look at the map bro
@synckar63802 жыл бұрын
Heavily depends on who you play I guess. Engage and tank should be expecting to die for valuable team members and picks outside of teamfights. Enchanters and artillery really shouldn't, the damage and heals are too valuable. As for wards, only bother if you have a reliable escape/cover. Otherwise drop the idea and ward what you can get away with till the rest of the team contests with you.
@archmagusofevil2 жыл бұрын
Ward where it's safe. Can't see the enemy team and have no jungle vision? Drop your ward in the river (and not deep river unless you have a good lane position or backup in case mid/jg is on their way). Is the enemy jg ganking top, enemy mid in their lane, and enemy bot is recalling right now? You can get some good wards deep in enemy jg as long as you keep an eye on the map and leave the second anyone goes to check on you. Dying because you pushed a little too far is how you learn what you can get away with. Just make sure to watch your replay afterwards and ask yourself what you did wrong and how to do better next game.
@noahtukker27212 жыл бұрын
I only play normals but my mmr is gold 1 pushing plat IV i play only xerath supp and i play pretty agresive im always seeing hp as a resource bc i can bait them to go all in when i get hooked or stunned and win the fight just because i know what damage i can take and what my adc and me can produce i love the content u guy make it made me a better player lots of my friends ask how im improving so much and i always say just watch u guys it really helps
@andrei-gabrieltalpa3330 Жыл бұрын
'low elo support mistakes'. Ist thing he mentions is a jungle based thing. What if the jungle decides to take the scuttle then goes back up to gank mid? First example was just jungle advantage. 2nd thing it was invades. I've barely seen low elo players thinking about invades. Tired of pros like these not covering one important think as a support. You're not an adc support, you're a team support. Your most important role is to provide vision advantage and depending on champ, taking advantage of isolated enemy champs
@SorakaOTP4622 жыл бұрын
The reason lux backed up after landing her first Q at start of the lane is because Lux believes her auto attacks deal no damage.
@chrisgiannopoulos46332 жыл бұрын
I see what you say about lux and as a lux main myself i agree I am one bronze 1 and i am very offensive as a sup actually i think i play more passive with melee and tank sups than mage/supporters
@pooldeadpool15352 жыл бұрын
i main vel'koz as either mid or support and i play very aggresive in both positions. all the enemies hate me lol. i'll even tower dive as a squishy champ which no one expects and its so much fun. However sometimes I do get a little too aggresive and get myself killed. I think the main thing i need to work on is knowing when to back off rather than when to engage. and the adc i play with is always overly aggresive. Ive been watching these skill capped videos over the past week and trying to help him get better about recalling when our lane is in a good spot and we are in need of health/mana.
@landsraad9745Ай бұрын
I hate (as support) when my adc wants to play Farmville all game and shows no initiative for for a fight
@stevensanderson2817 Жыл бұрын
See I do this as support, I play Blitzcrank usually and I am not afraid to speed in and land a hook when I see an enemy champ come out from behind a minion. Usually my chat gets loaded with pings to retreat because my ADC doesnt feel comfortable making the trades.
@zoshida Жыл бұрын
this type of guides seem to relly to much on the other players to know what their doing, example: you might want to use the trading tip but if you do there is a chanse your adc will just back off and let you suck dmg for nothing... not saying the guide is useless but use it wisely
@godofm3tal12 жыл бұрын
You speak about low ELO problems and then talk about high elo situations. Like having your jungler actually come gank instead of playing 20 minutes of farming simulator going 0/0/0 by the 30 minute mark. It's why most low ELO players don't even bother to bank on a jungler coming to help. It really is that rare in lower elo
@danielkim43202 жыл бұрын
6:32 if the leona auto cancel q, that naut was dead. Missed oportunity.
@westenev2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I have the opposite problem as a Lux supp main - I go too aggressive and run out of mana, which kinda coinflips the lane.
@heyitsairi2 жыл бұрын
i have the same problem but with every support, but you’ve just got to be smart about it and autoattacks mean alot
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
It's ok to be a bit too aggro.. but! It has to depend if your adc is aggro or passive and depends if you're able to poke enemy team from where your adc is standing so he feels a little more safe when farming cs
@nic.h2 жыл бұрын
Burn that mana, hopefully you get an early advantage from the pressure allowing adc to build a wave and then back for an early tear. Don't overstay and take your opportunities to back
@AceWolf4562 жыл бұрын
Glad to see I'm not making these mistakes. I know I'm making mistakes , obviously, but at least it's not these.
@lucykitsune46192 жыл бұрын
Wait so I am right to just not want to invade lv 1 no matter the situation? Idk for me it just doesn't make sense to walk into unwarded territory beyond our vision-line, I wouldn't do it 5 minutes into the game, why would I do it 1 minute into the game? I do love when my lane opponent(s) rotate to invades, because while you may have gotten two coinflipped assists, Neeko, you are now a Level 1 Neeko, laning against a Level 3 Ahri, so back off because farm is a privilege reserved only for champions that can use more than one ability. Oh and look at that, I got a kill beause Neeko has only her W for some reason and her flash is also down while I'm level 3 with flash and tp both still up. Oh Neeko just respawned and tpd back in? Guess she dies again... I shall now grab the second plate of midlane tower and then back because I can afford a lost chapter with all of that.
@loafofbread94002 жыл бұрын
Invade on matchup simple as that
@swissgoat49812 жыл бұрын
If you are play a support like Naut, should you still play a bit more aggressively? I'm just always concerned about getting stuck in a bad situation with my Q if I'm not careful because I've been jumped on and gotten stuck under energy tower trying to play how you suggested the Lux to play. I know they are incredibly different Champs, but I was just wondering
@babaspector2 жыл бұрын
not challenger here, and it's physically painful to me to be passive in lane XD
@gpavl11772 жыл бұрын
I saw the Mana potion and kinda wanted to cry
@PULAG2 жыл бұрын
What do you do of your ultra aggressive and know for a fact you can beat Opponents but your Adc is a P-bag Winniker Jones III?
@derb4ckf1sch2 жыл бұрын
What does 5 Point mean?
@Hemogoblin012 жыл бұрын
I think it means bringing all 5 champs to the fight
@amitrajitauraoic80922 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it's a way to defend jungle. You have a person standing at each entrance of jungle on each side of the map, so you'll know if you're getting invaded on.
@NUSensei2 жыл бұрын
5 Point refers to positioning champions at the entrance of the jungle at the beginning of the game to prevent an invade. It's less common in low elo because a lot of players auto-pilot to the turret, stand in a back brush or take a minute to come back from a toilet break. At higher elo, you should expect that any invasion attempt is going to fail because you will be spotted.
@stephenh99052 жыл бұрын
I'm challenger and still watching anyways! Good Videos
@matthewprovisor7572 жыл бұрын
How do I get that HUD?
@cgjomi Жыл бұрын
When he said "you are challenger " i lost a lungh
@ziqnerif-gt6re2 жыл бұрын
after this video i realized there is something called adc and my main role to support him but wth is wrong with me i always 2v1 on bot lane with thresh
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
If your adc is hella passive, never go in by yourself :) just stay with your adc but poke very aggressively so your adc gets a bit more help with farming minons and you trying to back off the enemy.. getting cs gold is more better than a kill trust me :D and if you don't like that.. just play adc for a bit and give it a try.. see how your adc feels by actually playing that role.. i used to ks all the time until i played adc and got upset when my support ks my kills i hope this helps a little bit 👍
@nic.h2 жыл бұрын
Are you pinging a target before engaging? For example harass and push for level 2 advantage and ping assistance so adc knows to expect you to engage
@sofiolaverry Жыл бұрын
"if you are challenger, which I assume is everyone watching this" Me a silver: 🤡🤡🤡
@Hotzenplotz222 жыл бұрын
Why not have a short recap at the end? Just in one or two sentences :)
@XZersX2 жыл бұрын
you are so wrong about invades. i played like 2000 games between plat and diamond, people are running afk in bushes, getting kills from an invade works so many times. Its different when you climb like diamond1 and higher, they would expect more often invades, but for everything bellow diamond invades are like 95% free
@XZersX2 жыл бұрын
saber for example invades enemies 2 times in the first minutes, this shit works in soloq
@vinzer72frie Жыл бұрын
"Caster supports are passive" you should see playing ziggs support😂
@deathreaper54622 жыл бұрын
Wait. Am I supposed to invade with pyke or just keep camping the turret for kills?
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
Just help your adc with cs'ing! it's the best advantage you can do :D (also by poking enemy to back off from the minions causing them to have low cs also helps alot for your adc) i hope this helps :)
@edmundscirksta32922 жыл бұрын
I Made this type of invade Playing Yuumi and our jungler was Trundle. Got 2 deaths on Yuumi LVL 1 and ended game with 12 😁
@kaungsi56132 жыл бұрын
I dunno ... usually i get hooked and dies if i tried to be aggro.
@loafofbread94002 жыл бұрын
Play to win, if you cant avoid cc keep losing
@valentintran67632 жыл бұрын
Try to play more around/behind minions, those tiny hook magnets are lifesavers
@dhirendrji2 жыл бұрын
Ok S2s
@cupidok27682 жыл бұрын
I cant find hector or Japanese import's twitch or KZbin. Anyone know?
@JapaneseImport2 жыл бұрын
I dont really stream anymore, but you can find more content on the website like smurf commentaries! or follow me on twitter @japimport
@saugattamang97392 жыл бұрын
Idk about japanese import but hector doesn't stream, he streamed on twitch few weeks ago I think only to document his climb to challenger.
@cupidok27682 жыл бұрын
@@saugattamang9739 sad i wanna see him
@cupidok27682 жыл бұрын
@@JapaneseImport sad. I wanted to watch u
@JZ-xu3vg2 жыл бұрын
I know the least about supports, but win the most games with them. ohh league...
@AliShahzodov2 жыл бұрын
Not first
@radiochango2 жыл бұрын
Can we get an hector face reveal?
@zacharieverreault74492 жыл бұрын
Bullshit bro how do you want me to think about all of that
@ianmattson26512 жыл бұрын
if you wanna flame a super agro lux main im xAleian
@kakarottuzumaki43467 ай бұрын
Im Iron 1. So im Low Elo. I not realy care for my Elo. I play the game for fun and learning. So lets see: Make i those misstakes or not :) ^^
@kakarottuzumaki43467 ай бұрын
1:06 min.: Why should i be passiv in this match? I be a Seraphine OTP so i play a high ranged support and my main Goal is it to poke the enemy so good i can. Thresh is nearly a meele so i have the range advantage. So i would play this match up realy agressiv and poke him by every chance i can get while hiding behind my minions that he cant land his hook at me. That if he dont let me poke i push in with my ADC (Seras Wave Clear is one of THE strongest in the Game) and then i would make Terror at the Map. Punish the Jgl and the Midlane form Thresh for his cowardness together with jgl and maybe adc. This would be my match plan for the frist 10 min. Btw lux is my second option if sera is baned or got picked away. Both of them have many incomon. Lux is just a higher dmg version of Sera. W makes by both the same, e is the same like Seras q and Seras E is like the Lux Q. Ults be a bit difrent but they be form the playstyle nearly the same.
@kakarottuzumaki43467 ай бұрын
2:44 min.: Range Advantage? And Ezreal AND lux be Poke Champs. So losing HP Against them makes it for them more easy. They be in this match up much more liky to take a trade where tresh and urgot not can trade back because the range is much higher form those champs. There all in is stronger but thats they point. As long this two dont all in ista and poke thresh and urgot frist they be much more liky to win the match up ^^
@kakarottuzumaki43467 ай бұрын
3:20 min.: I never get ganket form a random jgl in my team. So the posiblitly that the jgl ganks me isnt in my head. I prefer it if the jgl use his resouces at outher lanes. My mind set is a fully difrent there ^^
@dustrose23142 жыл бұрын
I take Tp Ignite on most engage supports because I don't care if I die, as long as I can save my adc or make a really good tp play top, I'm golden.
@joakimeltocho53122 жыл бұрын
i don't think risking ur advantage depending on other ppl to do well with it is the play, not on soloq at least
@Freekymoho2 жыл бұрын
@@joakimeltocho5312 that's kinda how supports have to play, isnt it? They can't carry themselves, so they have to leverage their skill into early leads for the team as a whole
@eroaris-theoneandonly33522 жыл бұрын
Or flash is too impoetant to make catches engages its the best offensive spell or leona naut etc
@lucykitsune46192 жыл бұрын
I would consider it, but then I can't flash-E someone as Leona or use hexflash
@vroomzoom42062 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a good way to climb to iron
@flops17922 жыл бұрын
i'm a way too agressive support, and most of the times my adcs don't follow (i play seraphine and pyke so it's kinda needed to get kills)
@valentintran67632 жыл бұрын
Seraphine is an enchanter so she gets to scale with her team, no kills needed. Pyke needs to kill with his ult mostly, and if the lane won't allow it, he has amazing roam capabilities. Try to aim for early objectives like herald, or mid cannon minions, midlaners always greed for these.
@ACertainGuy02 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion, as someone who doesnt simply do /muteall at the start of the game, i dont even have chat enabled and is a jungler: If you want to suggest a jungler help shove a wave into turret with you as a laner, ping the wave with an assist ping, then ping the turret. Its really hard to misconstrue those pings for anything else. If you only ping the wave the jungler will most likely see it as a cry for help unless they look there (which its low elo......they wont), and if youre me......yeah i dont help my shit lanes. Additionally, if your jungler autopilots (which i admit i still do sometimes, im working on that) after a successful gank and doesnt help shove the wave, immediately spam ping the wave (NOT THE JUNGLER), that usually gets their attention and its dead obvious what you want, cause you did just kill your enemy laner. what else would they be doing there?
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
I am a support main and i do none of these XD but i am still stuck in iron 1 because of feeders
@nic.h2 жыл бұрын
Wrong mindset. I know the feeling, but you are the only one who can get you out of iron. On average the enemy team should be getting similar numbers of feeders as well.
@IzzeeYasuo2 жыл бұрын
Elo hell doesnt exist
@lastfenixtv2 жыл бұрын
urgot adc lul
@looplocule35512 жыл бұрын
This videos are so useful but at the same time… I play support and I can guarantee, no adc in iron/bronze/silver (and sometimes even in gold), know what the f*ck is a lane freeze. It’s like they think “freeze” is a top or mid thing to do and the must of an adc is push all the time. That’s why, as a supp, I usually roam and get my k.a. ratio high, and my vision score over 70. Alone adc it’s a non-pushing adc 👌🏻
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
...that's not good at all causing bott lane to go up in flames, also by you roaming will also cause enemy support to roam too.. to make it even.. i always hated roaming supports because there is legit no benefit from it imo.. you should only start roaming when you get their turret.. because you know that your lane will be safe.. being a toxic poop head will probs get enemy bott lane fed if you roam because your adc will have no help farming :) say bye bye to your "carry" uwu
@mervnicooo36202 жыл бұрын
Also i get over 100 vision score because i am just good XD a good tip by me is to stay in lane and poke enemy for that extra cash! Helps alot with your warding item :)
@nikusha4322 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️
@khanhtrandanf90852 жыл бұрын
I dont know plat in NA is this level of bad. That lux's play really make me feel bad for ezreal. How can he be SOOOOOO passive? ezreal literally tanks every pokes from thresh, because lux always stands behind her ADC when protecting/nursing him is the only reason why she exists. Dont even say she first upgrades Q when she doesnt want to play offensive. And the bliztcrank's play. He just showed his presence, he let everybody knows that he used his Q which has 20s cooldown, and he decide to invade??? And ornn, do you know what will you pay if your level 1 W - passive combo dont have enough damage on a healing bliztcrank who is inside turret range? And you said those two were plat? Guess they've never played supports, or those were their first time playing lux/bliztcrank.
@thaihungvu84962 жыл бұрын
Plats in our server is the same anw. 70% of the time they just go for a coinflip invade lv1 and I have lost countless games because the enemy's midlaner somehow get a vamp scepter
@5themperor192 жыл бұрын
Lol
@WilliamBlack-um9bz Жыл бұрын
bad guide
@AsarielTnG2 жыл бұрын
the only real mistake is keep playing this game tbh it does nothing for you
@CuteBoy-kg7xt2 жыл бұрын
All these means nothing, after few wins, riot will keep pairing u with bots and trolls
@user-cz9tw1fh5x2 жыл бұрын
not true btw in soloq nida is a psychopath and ganks at lvl 2 when you're 300 hp you get ccd and you need to waste your flash so not really true you can't stand there in soloq as support bcuz when you hit the enemy bot they will hit you back and your adc is just gonna stand behind back flame and ping you so you're gonna get a really shitty trade or he won't just push the wave stand back. this video is made with a perfect adc of course with a perfect adc you should play like that but you never have them so just don't die, cc, get vision and roam
@douwemusic2 жыл бұрын
If only Lux had some advantage over an Urgot/Thresh lane.........
@mariuszhope11742 жыл бұрын
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