Six Red One-Drops And The Perfect Squad

  Рет қаралды 36,600

Luis Scott-Vargas

Luis Scott-Vargas

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 148
@Joshuralize
@Joshuralize Ай бұрын
It's safe to say the the world of vintage cube would not be the same without your contributions to the format. The growth of cube's popularity can absolutely be correlated to your relentless push of content and curation of the discord server. Losing always sucks, especially when you're playing in a field that you feel you may have some advantage in. But just know that win or lose, you have thousands of people waiting to cheer you on no matter the result. Thank you for everything!
@traycarrot
@traycarrot Ай бұрын
You have no idea how many random online groups I've found that begin with "Idk how to cube, I just watch LSV everyday"
@Evvins
@Evvins Ай бұрын
Rip the vegas cube dream :( I loved seeing you try tho, and keeping your spirits up through some brutal beats.
@xiaoxinghuli
@xiaoxinghuli Ай бұрын
It's something I can learn, too. For me LSV's lessons provide more than just insight into the cube itself.
@JD-ss2pm
@JD-ss2pm Ай бұрын
I'm sad I won't get to see you at cube worlds. But I appreciate that you tried. I enjoyed watching every one of those attempts. I also appreciate that you were even able to speak about your feelings coming out of the qualification season. (And it's sooo sweeeeet of Tom to step in for you for a day. What a great friend!) Anyway, thanks for keeping up with this channel!!
@mesalikes
@mesalikes Ай бұрын
I remember David Ochoa's videos. He was such an absolute champ. I definitely grew as a person consuming his losses. Keep being hella real.
@LSVargas
@LSVargas Ай бұрын
Web knew how to lose 🤣
@FleishDawg
@FleishDawg Ай бұрын
"Life is a crazy mystical thing and sometimes you just go out like a buster." - Joseph Marquez Love the focus on evaluation - I own my Cube and went on a huge loss streak recently and was just mystified as to what I could have done differently, if I was losing in draft, deckbuilding or in the game. Took the perspective of that it's fun providing an experience where the deck they draft fires on ever cylinder which helps. 🙃
@leadenstride
@leadenstride Ай бұрын
that's the mang0
@FamineSSBM
@FamineSSBM Ай бұрын
Never thought I'd see a Melee reference here 🥲
@traycarrot
@traycarrot Ай бұрын
THE KID MENTIONED 🦅 🇺🇲🍌
@mcfluffernutter
@mcfluffernutter Ай бұрын
A Mang0 reference in my LSV cube video. What is this, a cross over episode?
@damanstover2035
@damanstover2035 Ай бұрын
2:12 Always appreciate the winner of MULTIPLE 64 PLAYER CUBE DRAFTS joining us
@JoeRae-du8iv
@JoeRae-du8iv Ай бұрын
You’re a champion LSV, a literal hall of famer, thank you for all you do. It’s unfortunate you perhaps hit a patch of variance/bad luck on those drafts. It is extremely satisfying to watch you draft, you da man!
@RyTLessard
@RyTLessard Ай бұрын
I would love to hear LSV do an episode on his new cube changes and a deep dive on what he might change evaluation and playwise vs the recent mtgo list (if anything). Super helpful for me as a newer/bad player to understand the foundation of your decisions in depth to the extent possible. Love the channel, keep up the good fight and we will keep watching! :)
@tituschalk
@tituschalk Ай бұрын
Be kind to yourself Luis. We love you, Worlds or no.
@imteepocolombia
@imteepocolombia Ай бұрын
I loved the Vegas Dream runs, don't give up on us. Winning or losing we love your content, even more when the stakes are high.
@orionisfor7782
@orionisfor7782 Ай бұрын
I have an amateur theory about the 64 player results. I think this version of the cube, in a single elim format, requires rating card power over mana fixing. Anecdotally it felt like the 'best' results were with decks with sketchy mana bases. There is enough fixing that 'bad' fixing plus great cards is better than those perfect mana base decks with lots of high picks used on fetches. Lowering the value weighting of mana in the feeders and 64s gives the chance to pick more action and maybe get lucky with the fixing. If your deck doesn't get there on mana you might still draw well. If you don't get there on power level, you might play your way to 2-1 (aka a bag of nothing). This could be way off base... but it's the type of fundamental format issue that can generate results that feel like epic bad luck.
@thedoctorbob7
@thedoctorbob7 Ай бұрын
I just think LSV rates fetches too high. Don't get me wrong they're great, and some people put them too low, but I've seen him take one over an orcish bowmaster and that's just wrong. I do think I've seen him correcting a bit in more recent drafts though.
@FirePenguins
@FirePenguins Ай бұрын
I had a similar thought. In a lot of formats you're happy with a deck that performs to a winning record with consistency over taking a high risk chance on a broken deck which might not get there or could have some bad draws. But as you said, 2-1 is nothing in this format and if you have multiple entry tokens then you get a few different opportunities. So the picks should be done to hopefully get one draft out of your entries where you get a busted deck and some lucky draws, even if it means your average draft is worse. One 3-0 and a few 0-3s is a winning result here. High risk, high reward. But I'm also an amateur here, so I could be totally off.
@alexanderdickens2517
@alexanderdickens2517 Ай бұрын
​@@thedoctorbob7 Imo it's not fetches that are overvalued, but the many relatively recent taplands that go with them. For most of cube's lifetime there were exactly two cycles of fetchables, all untapped. It feels like people are playing like 4 taplands in their cube decks all the time now, and are treating them as normal fixing when they don't have the fetches. I recall a time when LSV was skeptical to play a second tapland in his decks, and the threats are even cheaper now.
@thedoctorbob7
@thedoctorbob7 Ай бұрын
@@alexanderdickens2517 this is also true. Surveil lands are great, but too many tapped lands are not. However a lot of his decks during this losing streak only had like 2 tapped lands, but just didn't have a lot of great draws. Perfect mana with nothing to do with it isnt a recipe for success. It's the same as getting flooded every game. Personally, I think I'd take fetches highly but not as high as LSV has taken them. I was watching Brian Coval do some of these 64 player drafts and he didn't 3-0 either, but his decks tended to be better than LSVs. A big part of that was that he would pass fetches when they were in the same pack as critical cards for his deck. He got a lot of pushback for that because LSV has trained everyone to pick them high, but he replied that you don't need 10 non basics in a 2 color deck, and I sort of agree with him. Still take fetches highly and when you can, but if there's another top 50 card that's critical for your deck don't take a verdant cat over it.
@alexanderdickens2517
@alexanderdickens2517 Ай бұрын
@@thedoctorbob7 I mean, it's not like any singular thing is going to explain a drop in results. This is just one contributing factor. I don't agree that LSV always takes fetches over "critical cards for his deck," particularly later in the draft. He's certainly made that decision swap many times, and they wouldnt be top 50 cards if most weren't being picked over fetches. The Coval nugget I think that's most pertinent there is reference to "2-color decks," because LSV basically never drafts 2-color decks outside of Boros. Not a lot of streamlining going on over here. LSV is way more willing to jam different combos together than most.
@MarkChaney-b8k
@MarkChaney-b8k Ай бұрын
You took your losses better than me for sure . Some of those beats would have broke me . Your still the man keep doing what you do
@haizhouz7627
@haizhouz7627 Ай бұрын
the pyrogoyf for exact lethal would have made me quit the game.
@MichaelWilliam-yn8md
@MichaelWilliam-yn8md Ай бұрын
Watching Tom’s draft yesterday was really sweet. He is incredibly knowledgeable and I would love a playlist with Tom
@ameersmith8533
@ameersmith8533 Ай бұрын
Thanks for being so relatable @LSV. You've been my favorite Magic player since BW tokens. Trying to emulate your playstyle has helped me come far as a competitive gamer, not just MTG. Keep rolling boss. I'll be here to watch
@bufels
@bufels Ай бұрын
you’re the greatest ever. if the losses didn’t feel bad, the wins wouldn’t feel as good. thanks for uploading all your attempts ❤️
@peterklein3354
@peterklein3354 Ай бұрын
Heads up! We wanted to see LSV in high stakes vintage cube, especially because he realy would have cared to do well and did care to get there. That's magic. It can be hard even for the best of players - upgrades the echievements who did and LSV will recover ;)
@jewpcabra666
@jewpcabra666 Ай бұрын
looking forward to the revamp of the cube and drafting it vs the modo cube that we been doing non stop cuz of worlds practice!
@anosmianAcrimony
@anosmianAcrimony Ай бұрын
Keep on keeping on Luis! Bad beats happen to everyone. You're a great drafter and we all love your content!
@justin7035
@justin7035 Ай бұрын
NGL LSV, the number of times you got turn 3 killed.. facing down 2 or even 3 pieces of power.. was insane. You just went hyper low roll. Not to say there is room for improvement, but you got incredibly unlucky, don't sweat it.
@haizhouz7627
@haizhouz7627 Ай бұрын
I agree, I don't think there was that much wrong with your drafting. Being able to consitently do well on the cube discord is way more meaningful data than the those 10 ish drafts.
@traycarrot
@traycarrot Ай бұрын
"Just get luckier" is true to an extent -- some games you were getting buried by three pieces of power on T1 -- but its not particularly helpful. Also, there's a weird paradox happening where everytime you draft combo, people say you should pick decent threats and vice versa. Same with mana fixing. I'm excited to see you and the crew do a post-mortem on the last couple of months to dissect how you could have capitalized more.
@ZaphodTube
@ZaphodTube Ай бұрын
I saw people win feeders way less skilled. I assume a part of it is also a lottery of getting power and finding an open line in a powerful archetype. Keep your heads up and thanks for all your videos and commentary. I started playing vintage cube because of you. And your content keeps me in the game over the years. Thanks and all the best!
@bricelory9534
@bricelory9534 Ай бұрын
Honestly, looking back over how swingy this version of the Cube was, alongside the winner-take-all nature of the feeders and 64 drafts, I wonder if the correct strategy is just force the best archetype no matter what - which doesn't require the skill and nuance of someone like LSV who drafted to be more consistent over multiple drafts with sensitivity to lanes open, etc. I'm just speculating rather than having any real knowledge on the subject, mind. I ccould see multiple people at least making it through feeders by just brute forcing it, honestly.
@alexanderdickens2517
@alexanderdickens2517 Ай бұрын
​@@bricelory9534You can't just force the best deck because everyone wants the best deck, but it does pay off to identify undervalued strategies that you might be able to assemble more often because other people don't want them.
@RagingPoo
@RagingPoo Ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear you don't have any more chances at making it to cube worlds. I watched all of the videos and was rooting for you the whole time!
@collinchurch1436
@collinchurch1436 Ай бұрын
Really excited to see your updated cube list! Idk if it’s just me, but I’d love to see more videos about the cards you’re adding, cutting, and considering from the newer sets (similar to what you did with MH3)🫡
@bricelory9534
@bricelory9534 Ай бұрын
I understand your demoralization with the road to worlds - from all the ones you showed, it seemed like absolutely everything broke against you each time. And on top of that, being unable to drop a match rewards getting lucky drafts and high variance reliance on power, especially compared to the more stabilizing power level of team drafts. Honestly, it sucks, but it felt a bit like trying to game the lottery or something. I look forward to seeing what your revised Cube will look like - the MtGO cube has some interesting directions and some massive flops that made the whole thing even higher variance.
@matthewbell4897
@matthewbell4897 Ай бұрын
When you refresh your cube, would love to see your take on a fully-powered vintage cube with White-plume adventurer and Time Vault. At least for a couple drafts.
@subtleknife1
@subtleknife1 Ай бұрын
Ooh yeah, get Comet back in, Undermountain etc
@Hanslineman
@Hanslineman Ай бұрын
Yea it’s always been weird that these vintage guys are more than willing to run a cube with time walk, black lotus, flash, reanimate etc. but act like WPA is just game breaking. Truth is, LSV and his group of friends are just all combo drafters and they always cut aggro from their cubes.
@benjaminsouthworth5698
@benjaminsouthworth5698 Ай бұрын
@@Hanslinemanwell in draft combo is an inherently disadvantaged achetype. It’s much easier for cards like wpa to be strong as it will do an incredibly powerful thing, on its own, everytime regardless of what else you draft. On the other hand combo is just capped by what is a) opened and b) passed to you. Like yes flash is broken but it doesn’t do anything on its own. And the amount of times I’ve p1p1 a combo and just not have it work out for whatever reason is so much more than p1p1 a card like WPA or M&B. And also like yes vintage cube is inherently too heavy cause the “power cards” are so much stronger than everything else and just grandfathered in but like it’s fun to play with black lotus lol and that’s just the format.
@subtleknife1
@subtleknife1 Ай бұрын
@@Hanslineman I think it’s less about WPA itself being so busted, and more that there are so many powerful initiative creatures. If you include the white ones, you should include the red ones, and green ones etc. LSV has specifically referenced this in a past video, basically saying it can be fun to play with all the broken initiative/monarch cards but it’s also fun to play without them, and that they could come back in a different iteration of the cube.
@traycarrot
@traycarrot Ай бұрын
​​@@Hanslineman What exactly is weird about players building a cube that creates decks and games they enjoy? Weird take.
@Mebimuffo
@Mebimuffo Ай бұрын
Vintage Cube is not the same without you. I hope the organizers will invite you there as a commentator because it would be a treat to have you comment the cube games honestly. Keep your spirits up LSV ❤
@avemex
@avemex Ай бұрын
Can you do a video where you go over cube worthy cards from sets? I would love to hear your perspective and explanation on why you would add cards.
@gradyturnbull1137
@gradyturnbull1137 Ай бұрын
"I don't even know who that is" damn dude 😅
@thonk7611
@thonk7611 Ай бұрын
i have a feeder token but i didnt realize they would open up all the drafts at the same time and i definitely didnt realize that literally every single one would be filled up by the time i checked
@josephbilling3886
@josephbilling3886 Ай бұрын
Here’s some cards I think you could add from DuskMourn: Valgavoth overlord of the boilerbilges screaming nemesis unstoppable slasher abhorrent oculus verge lands cycle split up waltz of rage silent hallcreeper roaring furnace/steaming sauna ghost vacuum sheltered by ghosts unwanted remake drag to the roots haunted screen
@jennyedmonson6133
@jennyedmonson6133 Ай бұрын
When you update your cube, I would really love a video going over your decisions and how you approach cube construction!
@EnzoGarabatos
@EnzoGarabatos Ай бұрын
I'm sad you couldn't make it to worlds, Luis, but I really enjoyed every video. I think you clearly didn't force storm enough :)
@seifyk
@seifyk Ай бұрын
Maindeck Lurrus is still sick
@darkpoetbill
@darkpoetbill Ай бұрын
You’re not alone I’ve been in the same slump.
@jameswhitcomb4773
@jameswhitcomb4773 Ай бұрын
Thanks for making videos!
@henriquexavier9192
@henriquexavier9192 Ай бұрын
No way 😢 so sad. But hyped for the new videos and new cube!
@marcsteinbruegge254
@marcsteinbruegge254 Ай бұрын
excited to see some duskmourn.
@paulallison3974
@paulallison3974 Ай бұрын
glad to hear we'll be moving away from mtgo cube. my last couple matches were demoralizing, went down first game with a deck with everysingle 1 drop discard spell that was nearly mono-black and played against an amazing arty deck with urza and 3 og p9 and crypt on top of it, while failing to get doulbe black and mulling to 5 with flood flood flood draws.
@jamerikwan
@jamerikwan Ай бұрын
Would you consider making a video of you editing your cube? I think it would be interesting to see why you think certain cards are worth having in the list as compared to others you cut
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Ай бұрын
I had a pretty bad run myself, but what made zero sense is while every qualifier draft went about as bad as possible, I went 2-1 or 3-0 in almost every Single Elim I entered in between the qualifiers. So I feel I'm at least competent. The other problem is, I only opened 7 pieces of power in all of the qualifier drafts combined, and 5 of them were in the same pack. 🤦‍♂
@Marksmaan
@Marksmaan Ай бұрын
It's ok LSV. I'll never leave you. I'm a Browns fan. I'm used to it.
@BegravelseinBrussels
@BegravelseinBrussels Ай бұрын
Rough time to have a dry streak!
@8628416
@8628416 Ай бұрын
I see almost every draft you upload and, tbh you just got absurdly unlucky on the qualifiers. Just remember it's still a card game. I know you're a competitive person, but there's more important things than winning, that's also why I've been asking if you think that playing powered cubes actually maximizes fun. I haven't seen any upload of yours drafting a non-powered cube. Anyhow, your content is excellent and your MTG journey has had a lot of success already. Keep up the good work and the positive spirit!
@xAl3XR
@xAl3XR Ай бұрын
I feel like I've been seeing you get turn one lotused for a month straight, it's been insane, better times will come, gl.
@mrsrandommademedoit3387
@mrsrandommademedoit3387 Ай бұрын
Its magic :P sometimes u win 10 games in a row.. sometimes u loose said 10.. it is what it isssss
@aronshimada7327
@aronshimada7327 Ай бұрын
As someone who’s had an opponent hit my Emrakul off the top with Etali, I can verify that it definitely hurts. It is funny tho
@pauldaulby260
@pauldaulby260 Ай бұрын
I wonder if your pick choices are optimised for going 2-1 in many team drafts but not optimised for going 3-0 in one of multiple attempts.
@kevinvaldez5163
@kevinvaldez5163 Ай бұрын
For what it's worth LSV, you had a LOT of very unfortunate bad beats over the last month. Solid decks that immediately opened into either the nuts lotus draw by opponents or heartbreaking flood outs by you. Sometimes luck just isn't with you and it isn't anyone's fault.
@joshuaespinoza9117
@joshuaespinoza9117 Ай бұрын
The same happens to poker players. They just get runs of bad beats
@andrewzmorris
@andrewzmorris Ай бұрын
Not really very useful to just blame bad luck. You're never going to improve if you do that.
@SymmetricalDocking
@SymmetricalDocking Ай бұрын
@@andrewzmorris I've watched every video on the channel and he has dozens of videos where he ends them by blaming losses from draft and play mistakes on bad luck. However he's always been open to feedback and still improves once he calms down and comes back to it.
@kyletaylor4818
@kyletaylor4818 Ай бұрын
What was BKs thoughts on not playing craddle? that seems crazy to me!!
@Zemmip
@Zemmip Ай бұрын
Hopefully you'll at least be commentating the cube worlds event :)
@brandonowen1069
@brandonowen1069 Ай бұрын
My conspiracy theory is that there were a bunch of people joining drafts with multiple accounts. Almost every draft I joined had at least 1 drafter that seemed AFK, which is obviously just brutal for trying to read signals.
@Guilherme2381
@Guilherme2381 Ай бұрын
Let's go BK!
@geneticon
@geneticon Ай бұрын
This deck needed a Plateau so bad. Round 2 game 1 fetching for untapped white (and giving double white) would have changed the whole complexion of the game... :'(
@aj7010
@aj7010 Ай бұрын
if ur looking for new cards what about vusuvian doppleganger for 5 mana it can change and keep morphing as the battle takes shape
@maxf2417
@maxf2417 Ай бұрын
I think vintage cube has a lot of luck involved in winning, more than other formats. Of course skill can overcome luck but when your opponent opens power then you don't, then your opponent has that power in their opening hand your chances to win have dramatically gone down.
@colesmith5114
@colesmith5114 Ай бұрын
Don’t think of it as missing Vegas, think of it in the terms of how much complaint equity you have now
@pow_dunx
@pow_dunx Ай бұрын
I’m gonna say it - “I’d play x, but it’s not the kind of card I want to be taking (2nd/3rd/4th) pick in pack 2/3…” this is the logic that’s been killing you. This line leads you to pick objectively higher power cards that are further from the rest of your deck’s mana base and gameplan. In 4v4 team drafts where there’s a general consensus among players on deck and card power levels, this heuristic is fine. In 64 player drafts where your pod has Mac or Salvatto and 6 Derp Derpingtons, you’re losing out on playables that would make your deck more focused and consistent because you’re not wheeling above average cards that you would ultimately play had you taken them. That’s my two cents, I could be wrong, but I think that hurt you in every 64 player draft this season.
@spooky_zen
@spooky_zen Ай бұрын
frantic search and chart a course flip tamiyo if it survives the turn
@kevinmiller3995
@kevinmiller3995 Ай бұрын
You know the competition is tough when a player like LSV is struggling to make it
@vanwright7821
@vanwright7821 Ай бұрын
Lunch time
@zackromer2140
@zackromer2140 Ай бұрын
I think you used to draft lots of unfair decks and now I feel like so many of your drafts are fair decks and those just lose to some combos!
@hwago123
@hwago123 Ай бұрын
The GW draft was just very unlucky, you had a strong deck because of all that power but your match one matchup vs storm was just unlucky
@quarkraven
@quarkraven Ай бұрын
The #1 explanation for why Luis didn't advance is that this cube is a bad list. I look forward to LSVs far superior list to come!
@thedoctorbob7
@thedoctorbob7 Ай бұрын
I agree. There's a lot of mediocre cards. A lot of what is left in packs after pick like 4-5 is very medium to bad, or niche, cards.
@Funkytrip73
@Funkytrip73 Ай бұрын
True, but that counts for everybody and LSV is way better than the average player so over all these drafts he should have had better results.
@quarkraven
@quarkraven Ай бұрын
@@Funkytrip73 he's better than average but also has his niche and favorite cards and archetypes. in any case, what I said was not a serious analysis. more just cheerleading LSV to move on and keep on drafting cube :)
@thomasstone3480
@thomasstone3480 Ай бұрын
For the cube revamp- could the tri-fetch lands from mh3 make the cut? it feels like there are never enough fetches to go around, and even if they're not on the same tier as the main ones, they would still provide a lot of the secondary value with w6 and brainstorm etc
@defiant350
@defiant350 Ай бұрын
Downswings hurt the psyche quite a bit. It's in our nature to try and fix what's broken but you'll drive yourself crazy if you try and fix something that's not broke. I don't think anyone with a high enough level of cube team draft would be able to find enough to criticize that would turn your downswing around. Vintage cube just happens to be one of the highest variance ways to play MTG and you're temporarily caught up on the wrong side of variance. Unless you think there's some glaring holes in your game, all you can do is ride out this losing streak until your results come back into range. Have years of experience as a professional gambler (primary source of income) to back up this comment.
@nephrium
@nephrium Ай бұрын
So much win equity used up in one cube session. Save some for next time dude!
@Zii_Vii
@Zii_Vii Ай бұрын
Rip. Maybe next year bro.
@leanderthal1138
@leanderthal1138 Ай бұрын
Gen z boss and a mini
@Spaccaspecchi
@Spaccaspecchi Ай бұрын
Shimano faces Kazakhstan has really impressed me. It looks so unassuming but is just a lot of pressure for one mana.
@kithkindeck
@kithkindeck Ай бұрын
heartbreaking set of matches. Getting lotused three games in a row followed by random unforeseeable sequencing in match 3 game one, then your aggro deck sees 9 mana sources in 5 turns.
@tsutter
@tsutter Ай бұрын
I had a pretty good season and I've watched literally 100% of your cube videos. It's hard to pinpoint exactly where your drafts are going wrong and I think your approach & methodology are sound. If there's maybe one thing I've noticed that if you go back and analyze it would be a lack of threat density at times. If I had to guess, I think you might overvalue lands over strong playables at times. Not that you can get away with not eating your vegetables, but I can think of a couple times where you skipped the steak. Could be wrong, but just something to keep in mind if you do your own analysis. I also think your variance has just been horrible. There are a shit ton of times where you flood out or just draw too much air in otherwise perfectly reasonable decks.
@leeharvey6574
@leeharvey6574 Ай бұрын
Disc: zero cube trophies, daily viewer. I think your last month of cube has been ruthless, I am not certain if following any path in your drafts could have overcome the difference in the draws/power. My only thought is to try and see what may have come your way if you had more aggressively attempted to draft unfair decks. Rough example, but what lines may be if you put higher priority on something like Sneak or ITB and tried to force the two-card combos. Those feeders seemed to incentivize swinging for the fences, just due to the fact that losing round 3 is the same as bombing out round 1.
@ChrisWalter0517
@ChrisWalter0517 Ай бұрын
You should come to cubecon next month and play some cubes that are actually balanced and fun. Reclaim your throne as the cube champion!
@thedeadnotsleeping
@thedeadnotsleeping Ай бұрын
You didn’t do much wrong. This version of vintage cube seems like legacy cube with power in it. Tons of skill involved in cube, for sure. But it will always has huge swings of variance. Don’t be discouraged you got unlucky. You’re one of the best limited players to ever do it. (:
@JenniferWhite-l6r
@JenniferWhite-l6r Ай бұрын
Martin Paul Garcia Brian Moore Sarah
@ei9443
@ei9443 Ай бұрын
I think demoralized feeling and also the pressure of important draft makes picking and playing more conservative. I think lsv has been ending up with more fair decks recently, and also more often decks have lots of green. His best records have been with finding more ways to create a winning combo decks. Also the nasty defeats have often come from combo decks (also those damn t1 lotuses 3 times in a row). Might sound weird but a demoralized person should pay attention to their inner narrative and make attempts to change it. Like trying to make yourself feel better, maybe by looking back at your best plays and accomplishments. This inner narrative of "im going to lose" really makes anyone skip possible combos, take less risks and end up with more fair decks. I think its a vicious cycle. Also i think the reason for poorer results than earlier is that this iteration has less support for archetypes lsv shines. Cube has gotten faster (i think its a shame actually - i prefer longer games as more interesting). I also always had a feeling that lsv somehow plays and drafts combo or control better than aggro or midrange beatdown decks.
@ianwentz6617
@ianwentz6617 Ай бұрын
Honestly, I think that's the main problem with Vintage Cube in general. You can draft the best out of what you are given, but sometimes all it takes are people drafting power and you just straight up lose and there was nothing you could do about it. It's a great format and really fun to watch and I'm sure fun to do absurd degenerate stuff, but I don't think a competitive event with such high stakes is always going to reward the best drafters, because variance is so much higher in this format. From your seat at the drafting table, to the cards that are available in the pool and the cards you see and are passed. The match-up spread. The fact that some cards are just so far away and above the rest, it doesn't lend itself to a consistent competitive experience. That's what makes it feel so much worse to have something so major on the line, because so much of it is down to variance.
@chokey4754
@chokey4754 Ай бұрын
Players are so good at cube now that most games come down to luck.
@dementievatz
@dementievatz Ай бұрын
That’s sort of my take too. It’s not all luck, but as good as LSV is, he’s playing against a field where many of the opponents are people who got 20 or 40 or 60 trophies in the latest Cube run. These people are putting in tons of reps and know how to win.
@PegFlora-n8s
@PegFlora-n8s Ай бұрын
Robinson Joseph Jones Donald Taylor Sandra
@tym6217
@tym6217 Ай бұрын
I know EDH is extremely far from this channel's focus, but I'd still be curious to see if you have any thoughts about the orbital strike of a ban announcement it got yesterday.
@dementievatz
@dementievatz Ай бұрын
I like that it might make some cards cheaper for Vintage Cube curators. 😂
@tym6217
@tym6217 Ай бұрын
@@dementievatz I mean the only one of the cards relative to vintage cube really is Mana Crypt. And if you are curating a vintage cube a single $250 card would hardly be the sticking point, especially if you actually have non proxied reserved list cards.
@dementievatz
@dementievatz Ай бұрын
⁠@@tym6217I was doing my best to make this question relevant to this crowd. 😊 You’re absolutely right. If you want a take related to EDH, I’m totally on board with the bans. I voluntarily don’t play Sol Ring in my EDH decks because ramping ahead of the table on turn 1 isn’t what the format is about to me.
@BladedEdge123
@BladedEdge123 Ай бұрын
I can only say my view of the vintage cube was that, it's not really designed to be a fair format. It's meant for fun first, balance a fairly distance second. That is, in fact, part of the fun! Being able to sometimes draft the "3 mox, time walk and ancestral deck". But that also means, its very VERY up to chance. Skill will help mitigate that some, absolutely. But it won't stop it from being mostly luck. In any really big draft, your gonna face down "The people who did draft 2+ power cards" even when most of the time you draft "Well I didn't see any this draft but might next time!.dec" That's just the nature of the cube itself, right? You can win without opening power (or someone passing too you opening multiple...or both!) but of course it is going to be a lot less likely you do when your certainly going to be facing people with very very good decks (That was more about their seat then their skill compared to other draft formats). I enjoy the format, absolutely! But I did think from the moment I Heard about this whole tournament, while it is a fun idea and I am totally behind people winning! (open 10k worth of cards someone woo!) It was never to me a 'fair' environment. Just total dice-roll.
@richwilliams1863
@richwilliams1863 Ай бұрын
I noticed you said Ghostfire Slice isn't good - now, I'm not saying it's as good as Karakas, but since Karakas is made good by the context of the cube (lots of legends), doesn't the context (lots of multicoloured permanents) make Ghostfire Slice, in fact, good? Hope you enjoy my impeccable logic!
@snappycaster
@snappycaster Ай бұрын
Have you considered trying other non powered cubes to tone down the non games where some absurd power outlier just negates your last 40 minutes of careful decisions? It might be worth trying out
@AnthonyTaylor-o5j
@AnthonyTaylor-o5j Ай бұрын
Thompson Deborah Miller Margaret Moore Linda
@franciscorendon6955
@franciscorendon6955 Ай бұрын
From a total amateur perspective it seems like there are no longer clearly defined archetypes in cube. I loved when LSV committed to playing UW control in recent vids because so often it seems like every deck is some form of midrange with or without combos and synergies.
@Chris-tp2sc
@Chris-tp2sc Ай бұрын
Why does LSV not like Canyon but likes Mana Confluence that's worse in this deck.
@SharinganMan
@SharinganMan Ай бұрын
it was literally pick 5 and he said "eh i don't really like it"
@cesarramon4636
@cesarramon4636 Ай бұрын
.
@Limkmc
@Limkmc Ай бұрын
Could the new duskmorn cards make dredge playable? I feel like FOMO and friends have been pretty awsome
@Limkmc
@Limkmc Ай бұрын
I think green needs a rework, honestly I don't think it has a real Identity outside of lands, which kinda falls apart without some cards.
@Limkmc
@Limkmc Ай бұрын
Another solution I could see is just letting the colors be unbalanced. I think if you wanted to make the cube fully powered, you would probobaly have to cut a good portion of green cards for the busted white cards like white plume and comet
@nekrataali
@nekrataali Ай бұрын
Dredge needs at least Bridge from Below and Golgari Grave-Troll to be a viable cube archetype IMO. It's stupid that cubes don't have the cards that make dredge work, but still have garbage like Hogaak.
@Justinsalehtv
@Justinsalehtv Ай бұрын
I think your problem is that you play too conservatively for 64 pods. You gotta just roll high and aggressively draft combo because especially at the lower levels someone who isn’t as good of a drafter is going to have a better deck than you because they got lucky
@giancarlocafaro6734
@giancarlocafaro6734 Ай бұрын
For what it’s worth, I think most of the suggestions in the comments are assuming and out of touch. That being said, I do think the build used for worlds was just not good. I don’t think you have changed much in your picks or could have done much differently. I’ve been cubing for the last 10 years and I still learned a lot in the last year and a half about what makes a good cube experience from this channel. It’s pretty clear that in removing support for artifacts and including filler dredge stuff, decks overall just end up worse. Certain broken archetypes aren’t affected by this, but fairer decks get worse. I also don’t think this is something you can’t really adjust your drafting for. Forcing anything in cube is not great. Perhaps high rolling is the way, but that also just makes it pure chance instead of leveraging drafting and playing skill, which doesn’t seem right either. I think if anything, this just highlights how important good cube construction is, assuming you want replayability and to reward skill. Your losing streak really started with worlds. Prior to that, it wasn’t so pronounced.
@sebastianmateo8247
@sebastianmateo8247 Ай бұрын
The last versión of the cube is absolutely garbage. They have all these madness crap and unplayables with the only purpose of effing things up. Sometimes you just get on the wrong side of variance and get packs full of those gimmick strategies like madness and domain, that occupy multiple slots and gives you nothing, no one is taking 5 enablers to put a 5/5 on turn 3 maybe when reanimator and tinker are 2 card combos that win the game inmediately
@alexanderdickens2517
@alexanderdickens2517 Ай бұрын
You and BK are on the same page, but as a lowly fallible viewer, it did seem like you took speculative picks on combo cards more often when drafting alone. You generally strongly consider things like LED or Timetwister well into pack 2 when you've not yet taking the combo turn, citing their potential for brokenness, and I think it can steer you away from more JBro-esque, streamlined beaters. Those seem way better to aim for in Elims than usual.
@ewgreen2003
@ewgreen2003 Ай бұрын
As someone who has watched your last 6 months of videos over the last month, I would say you lose most often to flood. Consider altering your deck building by replacing 1 land with another playable (unless you have a lot of draw or filtering ... which seems to be the decks you win the most with).
@SHADOWSURPRIZE
@SHADOWSURPRIZE Ай бұрын
You undervalue threats & removal. You play too many cantrips, filler, and artifacts.
@jrjamesson
@jrjamesson Ай бұрын
is this sarcasm? I feel like I haven't seen a non-bauble cantrip played in months. Go look at his old videos if you want to see cantrips, filler, and artifacts (and lots of winning)
Mono-Blue Workshop, Just The Way Garfield Intended
58:50
Luis Scott-Vargas
Рет қаралды 20 М.
Making A Very Power-full Return To Team Drafting
1:13:30
Luis Scott-Vargas
Рет қаралды 46 М.
How Strong is Tin Foil? 💪
00:25
Brianna
Рет қаралды 68 МЛН
ЛУЧШИЙ ФОКУС + секрет! #shorts
00:12
Роман Magic
Рет қаралды 30 МЛН
風船をキャッチしろ!🎈 Balloon catch Challenges
00:57
はじめしゃちょー(hajime)
Рет қаралды 58 МЛН
СОБАКА ВЕРНУЛА ТАБАЛАПКИ😱#shorts
00:25
INNA SERG
Рет қаралды 3,6 МЛН
Tokens, but No One Can Cast Spells | Much Abrew
1:12:25
MTGGoldfish
Рет қаралды 93 М.
NO Flash, NO Problem | Vintage Cube Draft Featuring BK
1:36:12
Luis Scott-Vargas
Рет қаралды 39 М.
NO BANLIST MODERN! Reid vs LSV with Modern's Most Broken Decks!
1:29:34
ChannelFireball
Рет қаралды 102 М.
D's Vintage Power Cube Is Nuts! | Shuffle Up & Play #38 | Magic: The Gathering Gameplay
1:15:01
I Had The Guts To Draft Mardu In A 4v4 Vintage Cube
1:02:42
Luis Scott-Vargas
Рет қаралды 21 М.
Racing To Mythic #1 In Duskmourn Draft
1:04:34
Luis Scott-Vargas
Рет қаралды 37 М.
The Best Magic: the Gathering Plays of All Time
33:14
MTGGoldfish
Рет қаралды 242 М.
How Strong is Tin Foil? 💪
00:25
Brianna
Рет қаралды 68 МЛН