Replacing the 10 Bolt with a Strange S60! | 3rd Gen Rear Swap

[@lsxmatt]

Hey everyone, just wanted to let you know that I adjusted the panhard bar right after shooting this video. I still need to dial it in a bit more, but it’s much better. Next video I’ll be modifying the weight jacks to fit the S60🤟

[@bobbraxton445]

Hey Matt, what brakes did you use on your new s-60? Did you get them from strange? And did you order the axel to fit your vette wheels bolt pattern?

[@techjunkie4786]

The Strange 12 bolt or 8.8 is the better rear end for your application. The 9” and Dana60 sap so much power. Drivetrain loss is a big deal, and heavy rear ends react slower to road undulations which hurts handling performance. Your Dana60 will be bulletproof, though.

[@w41duvernay]

Where did the driveshaft come from?

[@jameshall4385]

can’t beat that dana 60 and at least you’re keeping it gm. no ford parts needed

[@canabox7112]

Neither the Ford 9" or The Mopar Dana 60 are made by Ford or Mopar

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@canabox7112 Dana is it's own Company last I knew who made the 9" for Ford ?

[@canabox7112]

A company called New Process made the 9' for Ford. Same company that made the top loader 4 speed transmission

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@canabox7112 I Have a New Process 205 Transfer case from a 1971 Ford F-250 a ery desirable transfer case .. No chain in it and it's a divorced transfer case so you can swap it into anything .. does not have be bolted to particular transmission .. I think GM owned Saginaw gear they made steering gears and Transmissions .. Then there was Muncie and Borg Warner who were Private Companies.. GM owned Rochester that made carbs and fuel injection.. They owned AC that made spark Plugs and oil filters ect.. The Big Auto Manufactures sell off divisions to avoid the grip of the Unions that helped to Bankrupt them

[@CarguyEd5150]

I bought a complete 9 inch with Wilwood disc brakes for my 1977 TA from Strange and it was hassle free bolt in and a super strong upgrade. I almost went with with the S60, but the 9 inch was more than good enough for my street car. Great choice you made and you can't go wrong with Strange Engineering and they make some awesome stuff.

[@fourwheelerjock]

Can't beat a S60 or Ford 9". 8.8 is tough as balls, but for a little more you made the right choice

[@teamgmotorsports]

So glad to see you went with the strange S60! You won’t be disappointed! It is actually stronger than a 9”, as it has a 9.75” ring gear as apposed to a 9” ring gear in the 9”rear end! The case is stranges own design, and has the torque arm mount cast into the housing and is a lot stronger then the welded on makeshift brackets on the 8.8 and 9”! I have a strange S60 and recommend to you to get one. Again, you won’t be disappointed. By the way, the extra weight of the S60 will help you slightly to hook up at the track, as that weight is directly over the rear tires, and as low as you can get it. Make certain you follow their break in procedure before you beat on the rear end at all!!!

[@jeffbrown6155]

don't want to burst your bubble,,the thing that makes the 9" better/stronger is the pinon support. at the back of the pinon gear.. it takes a larger load without deflection. just so ya know..and ya can swap gears in 40 min with just 1 guy doing it..but any upgrade is better then what ya had..

[@kennydemartini2169]

@@jeffbrown6155 I was going to make the same comment about the pinion support. I don't believe in the break-in procedure nonsense either. I have set up hundreds of rear ends, and a majority of them when straight to the dragstrip with little or no miles on them.

[@chrissullivan1756]

All gm is the best great job . No one needs fords or their parts !!

[@tedwood273]

I've been watching your channel for a while and really enjoy it. 👍

[@808G8GT]

Whoah.....wait a minute.....single out exhaust!?!?! True dual that bad boy!!

[@lsxmatt]

Lmao Ive been looking at catbacks, problem is they never seem to be loud enough!

[@808G8GT]

@@lsxmatt I had mine custom fabbed. Well worth it. Sound, hp, torque

[@andrew_auto2184]

*clears throat** cutouts *cough cough* 😂

[@EssMotorsports]

I'm looking at the Hawks 4" exhaust, or actually copy that design and fab my own. U should fab your own 4" exhaust. There is a thread on thirdgen

[@cesanyplastics713]

Hey Matt, I love this video. I'm also putting in the Strange 60 in my third gen. Having trouble with the control arms lining up. I'm using the BMR adjustable ones. My question is did you have to extend yours? In the video looks like you have a non adjusting ones? I'ts the section that bolts to the shock I'm having the most trouble with. Thanks for the help and the video. Cheers...

[@paulh.2144]

Still using factory links and coil springs.. I changed over both front and rear with Detroit speed Quad link rear and speed kit 3 front. Huge difference way better ride and Handling!

[@jeffbrown6155]

also when ya put it together..add sealant to the outside when you slide your axles in..or it will leak/seep..gear oil..and just look messy over time..

[@BadLuckGarage]

Brother you have more money in just that rear end than I've got in my whole C5 Corvette build at the moment,lol. Love your build though no kidding. That car is beautiful and beastly at the same time. I've been subbed for awhile now. I've actually owned more third gens than I can count on one hand and still love them. Your channels got me thinking about building another one when I finish the C5. Now get that thing back to the track and stop granny shifting it now!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@lsxmatt]

Lmao thanks. Yea ordering that rear was painful but with the extra power it was gonna have to be done eventually.

[@BadLuckGarage]

@@lsxmatt heck yea. I actually went with an automatic in an attempt to get the rear end to hold on this build,lol.

[@billymanilli]

Damn thats REALLY NICE!! I'm jealous! :) ...at least I was lucky enough to finally find one of those rare Dana 44s for my '84 TA ($300 at E-town swap meet! lol... poor guy had no idea what he had.).

[@larrymyers5429]

Did you have any trouble with body tunnel clearance with the torque arm bolt heads when hitting harsh bumps? I have heard that the Moser Ford 9" was having trouble with that interference. This is why I was thinking of the Hawks 8.8. I will be running a 500 hp 383 ahead of a modified 700R4 on my 89 IROC. I really enjoy your comments and teaching.

[@derekedgerton5337]

I was also on the fence between S60 and Ford 9" but i went with the Ford 9" from a friend fully built and with bigger brakes than my front! lol. Awesome video as always and hopefully we can meet up for a car show sometime with a bunch of other turd gens, maybe the third gen expo!

[@quayl1337]

Derek Edgerton i would drive my third gen there for a meetup! That sounds cool!

[@kamranetemad7006]

forget cheap 8.8. dana 60 is a no worry rearend.heavy duty truck rear end and.old dodge hemi 4 sp had them.mandatory from factory.nice job and choice. are you using 1350 or better u joints?

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I just discovered that Stagner makes their own rear end based on improved Dana 60 .. I was just reading that Ford 9" has 3.5% more drag than a 12 bolt GM in the high numerical gear ratios 9" used much beefier Pinion gears however.. To get a strong Ford 9" it really needs various custom built by aftermarket improvements.. I am looking to replace a 10 bolt from 79 Camaro but I want a 4 Link suspension would could add $2,500 more to project .. plus I want to upgrade to disc brakes which I do not have now, My Decision which manufacturer with will have to do with the complete package and having the right brackets for my 4 link .. Good to See 5th Gen Cameo at lest has torque bars..

[@jasonscott6731]

Look s great man, is the panhard rod adjustable? Just because it looks like the axle may be offset to the left (drivers side) which may give the passenger side that height look that it has, may just be the shadows from my point of view in the video. Beautiful rear end. If ya don't put the weight jacks back in hit me up I'd be interested. No rush though if ya want to try to make them work.

[@jayinmi3706]

Is it just me, or does the passenger rear wheel look like it's in further than the driver's side? Good to see everything seems to be working for it! Love the car.

[@PsYcHoq8]

I saw your brakes. Do you have a video on the rears?

[@masonl8128]

Back in 92 my buddie and I would cruise his conv. Iroc-z looking for Strange.

[@johnpaulgarrido1496]

Also looks like it a little more to the driver side then the passenger check it does look aligned

[@norevlimitr1602]

The panhard rod need so be adjusted shorter. Time for a custom ovalized exhaust... Looks sick!!!!

[@thedailyz8716]

Did you end up fixing the rear end? Looking at getting a s60 for mine as well but don’t wanna invest too much into the wrong thing

[@IROCZman15]

nice job. I came across your channel while searching for alternatives to hood-pins for my iroc. I have seen you on thirdgen.org and had even voted for your car for COTM a while back. didnt know you had a youtube channel, so I am watching a few of your videos. I am also from NJ but up more north from you. THis winter I'll be ditching my 10 bolt and driveshaft for a moser 12 bolt and a badass driveshaft to math it. I see you went with the S60 and wanted to see how you like it. I'll be doing street driving, drag racing, autocross, and teh occasional road course track day at NJMP, so I think a 12 bolt is more suited for me. your thoughts? love the car

[@cbr1thou]

Thats dope, makin me want one on my 90 5.7

[@kaylaandsonnyschermerhorn3354]

Hey bro i been looking for traction bars for a 92 rs camaro. My 79 camaro was easy to find a set cause it was multi leafspring but the 92 im looking at has springs in the rear

[@IslandBoy958]

Kayla And Sonny Schermerhorn Search founders lca 82-2002 do not use an actual traction bar it is called Lower control arm. Many manufactuers out there Founders BMR UMI HOTCHKIS

[@kaylaandsonnyschermerhorn3354]

Island Boy ok cool thanks man did not know that appreciate the info

[@dynamicdopamine]

Hey Matt I've been subscribed to you for awhile now. I watched a good many of your videos I really enjoy your content. I got a question though and it's a little off topic. What kind of camera do you use to make your videos?

[@Kincentc]

nice job matt! mid sharing your tire/wheel sizes and offsets from the corvette wheels? thanks in advance

[@lsxmatt]

Thanks, they’re 18x9.5’s all around. Front tire is a 275/35/18 and the rear is a 275/40/18. Offset is 65mm.

[@camarosilverado7416]

Did it fit with the stock fuel tank I've got an s60 in a vert drag car I just bought..... to part out for my t top car the drag car has a 5 gal cell but it looks like the rear-end is much taller then the stock 10 bolt just curious!

[@andrew_auto2184]

Keep up the awesome videos🤙 you inspire me to start a channel, after my trans is rebuilt of course lol

[@malcolmmok08]

I'm getting ready to install my 8.8 from hawks and I wanted to know how you handled your ebrakes. I've been searching for the ebrake cable bracket. Do you know what part number I could use to look for it?

[@rickygray7767]

Great videos my friend. You had mentioned 410 gears were too much. I'm going to adding a LSA blower to my 2010 Camaro with LS3 M6, I was thinking of using 391 gears, what are your thoughts, I appreciate it.

[@lsxmatt]

Thanks. Im not sure of the gearing in the tr6060 compared to a t-56, but if its anything close, I would recommend a 3.73 or a 3.55 if you plan on getting serious drag racing it. 3.91 would be better than a 4.10, but depending on what you mph, a 3.91 would be cutting it close. If it’s mostly a fun street car, a 3.91 would be nice👍

[@rickygray7767]

@@lsxmatt Yes its really just for street fun, will probably run it at the track once to see what the times are but that's it👍, thanks again.

[@georgeshotrodbarn2113]

You will like it i have seen a lot of 9 inch's puke there guts out on the track and the starting line but i have never seen a dana break. i have had four dana and never broke one.

[@cam9sec]

Great job on a great looking car

[@matthewnelson4298]

Put coil spring spaces in the back

[@royhummert7281]

How long did it take to get to you from time of purchase?

[@bigitalia6863]

Sweet car. Would look really good with ZR1 wheels

[@dillon3719]

Hey Matt! Love the channel. What ebrakes did you use when you swapped your 4th gen rear in? I'm going from drum to disc

[@lsxmatt]

Thanks, Im using the stock 94-97 4th gen rear brakes. I bought conversion e brake cables from hawks.

[@dillon3719]

Ah i see. I have the 98-02 brakes and I'm trying to either make them work, or find a reasonably price set.

[@dillon3719]

Another question! What size are your wheels/tires? I'm about to buy a set of the machined face c5 wheels in 18x9.5 front and 18x10.5 rear, curious on how much room you have with your setup so i can figure out my tire sizes. 4th gen rear with ls1 front brakes.

[@alex13238712]

Was the driver side poking out more?? Is it sometthing that can be adjusted with panhard bar?

[@lsxmatt]

Yea the adjustable panhard bar allows you to move the rear left to right.

[@alex13238712]

@@lsxmatt was that in anyway out of alignment on ur car at the time i want to lower my iroc but i seen some looking like the rear pull to the side

[@Ls__Camaro]

Looks like the rear end is off center. If you don't already, an adjustable panhard bar will fix that.

[@trudad03]

Hey would you happen to have a part # to that rear end

[@MrJblackmon1989]

Hey Matt, its been over a year. Are you still running this axle? What was your experience with it after driving it for a year?

[@lsxmatt]

Still have it, no problems so far!

[@MrJblackmon1989]

@@lsxmatt well then, I'm definitely adding it to my wishlist!

[@808G8GT]

Holy crap. I got my shortened MWC Fab 9 with chromemoly torque arm for a little more more. And it was powedercoated. Lol. Nice buy though. Should handle your hp numbers with a big cushion for MORE POWER!!. LOL.

[@lsxmatt]

Haha yea thats why I went with the s60 over the 8.8. A powdercoated 8.8 from hawks would of been 3100 bucks no driveshaft. I think s60 and 9 inch are the two best rears for big power.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

My GM 10 bolt is dead silent .. Unless you put some slicks on the car .. I think a 10 bolt is all you need

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

F-body 10 bolts are made of glass

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@pontiacmaniac7772 A 10 bolt is more than adequate except for drag racing with slicks ..

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

Mike Skidmore so I can swap my stock gears with 4.10’s and keep the stock rear? I’m not drag racing.

[@buildnation8764]

How long did you run your stock rear end and DS?

[@strassafrass1]

Hey Matt, what is your brake setup on your third gen?

[@lsxmatt]

4 piston ctsv brembos in the front, stock 97 f body calipers in the rear.

[@lsjuancamaro4342]

I am about to get this rear end. For my 4th gen camaro how do you like it ???

[@lsxmatt]

Its been holding up to the abuse so far!

[@royhummert7281]

Did you ever order the s60?

[@Chris05STi1982]

Would oval exhaust tubing help with your ground clearance?

[@lsxmatt]

It probably will, but I just don’t feel like doing it over again😂

[@jean-marckhater2181]

Is it quiet for daily driving? (Too much whining problems listed on the forums)

[@lsxmatt]

Absolutely no noise with mine. Ive heard complaints with the Moser’s though.

[@schfiftyfive9680]

How much power were you putting into the 10 bolt? How long did it hold up?

[@lsxmatt]

It took about 530whp mustang numbers. It only broke because I wheel hopped it like a fool.

[@schfiftyfive9680]

@@lsxmatt I gotta ask tho. What's a mustang number

[@motherlovinsnuffstar]

@@schfiftyfive9680 Mustang dyno, they're known to be conservative on their numbers.

[@FiercePhxMoto]

Awesome 🤙🏼

[@juggalo450]

Can I do the same set up with my 89 firebird or is it different

[@lsxmatt]

Yea same thing will fit.

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

Do they make S60’s with everything pressed already?

[@lsxmatt]

Yea they do, I just got it this way because I was planning on using my backing plates. If you but them from Strange it will come fully assembled.

[@pontiacmaniac7772]

LsxMatt cool thanks

[@jamesingram4649]

You’ll fold that stamped torque arm like a hockey stick the first day at the track with sticky tires,ask me how I know, I’m using an edelbrock torque arm now with my moser 12bolt and a .10 if my 60’

[@lsxmatt]

Trans mounted or tunnel mounted? Biggest thing in my way with a tunnel mounted torque arm is my y pipe.

[@jamesingram4649]

Was trans mounted but a friend shortened the end and welded a hiem joint on, (hiem slides in a sleeve so it doesn’t bind up with suspension travel) made a chrome moly crossmember that’s mounted to my subframe connectors for the arm itself. And I should say also made a trans crossmember for my th350 out of the chrome moly and some 2” angle so nothing hangs down. Love your vids

[@IslandBoy958]

Alston has a chassis mount adjustable arm that mounts in the tunnel similar to the original Jegster tq arm which I used on all of my 3rd gens

[@chopper6464]

I was surprised you still had the stock torque arm. Too bad the weight jacks didn't fit. Sportlines suck if you drive anywhere that has rust belt roads. I'm upgrading to weight jacks because I hate Sportlines. ;(

[@jamesingram4649]

I ran my non adjustable edelbrock arm for years with the transmission end mount 1.48 60’ footbrake on Hoosier 275’s but he probably doesn’t want the noise and harmonics of a solid hiem joint on a street car

[@seabass3096]

I want one in my ws6

[@Iroc_twan]

Nice Milwaukee 18 volt impact gun

[@lsxmatt]

I love that thing, air impact is a thing of the past now.

[@Iroc_twan]

@@lsxmatt you should look in the 12 volt stubby impact

[@shawncomm5039]

Is this stock width or 4th gen width? Thanks

[@shawncomm5039]

Nevermind just heard my answer lol.

[@babybiscuits5124]

Sweat car.i have a 1984 z28 i had to put drag bags on my coil springs to stop my duel mufflers from scraping yeah it rides a little higher but it worth it u can really hear my big mother thumper cam

[@TheXXXskater1]

Spring perch swap from the 10 bolt might be the better solution

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Oh and by the way it seems you do a good job of explaining things and you talk fast so video is not so long. Plus you edit so we don't have to watch for two minutes to unbolt 5 bolts

[@johnhenry267]

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