These Are Not The Same Detroit Pistons

[@TheGallant9]

We just got a completely new strength and conditioning staff today also. Moving in a very progressive direction

[@Antonio-h7c]

Facts

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

Thank you for sharing that. That's a lot more vital news than trade rumors and microanalyzing a rookies jumper.

[@SuperJuggernaut87]

They also got a real good shooting coach.

[@locksmart3209]

I was stoked at beginning of last year so i will believe it when i see it. brutal schedule to begin the year too.

[@scottwickett1273]

Why were you stoked at the beginning of last year? I predicted 20 wins and that ended up being not pessimistic enough.

[@scottwickett1273]

@@J.Ragland-hz1er It's not pessimism, it's just minimally observant. They're trash because they're stupid.

[@ryankelley85091]

25 wins is a bad team. Remember, last year they let a lot of games slip away that they should have won...probably 10 games? If they don't collapse in the closing moments of a game like that, that would be a 24 win team. If the core stays healthy, they should be 30-35 wins. Not a huge improvement considering how bad they were at closing out games last year. With the old roster and having some sort of defensive mindset, they would have been over 25 wins last season.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@ryankelley85091 Ausar Thompson didn't collapse in the closing minutes vs the Knicks; he was tackled. When Cade Cunningham took over 50 shots 2 games without getting a single Free Throw, it wasn't due to coaching or collapses by Pistons players. There ARE things out of the Pistons players and Coach's control. Like SCHEDULING and INJURIES and OFFICIATING. Your fan game is in dire need of development. Work on YOUR Game, playa. As a FAN, you deserve to be waived as Locker Room Poison.

[@thicccactus6056]

The leap Cunningham is about to take is gonna surprise a lot of people. Teams aren’t going to close out 3 guys at him anymore. Bro will be playing at a different speed this year, and with Tobias and Hardaway jr. vet presence? Monster in the making😤😤

[@scottwickett1273]

He's already awesome, the problem is that everyone else still sucks!

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@scottwickett1273 How can guys that don't play suck? The Pistons starters last season were collectively younger than the MSU Spartans starters. The Pistons also faced the TOUGHEST SCHEDULE IN NBA HISTORY. HISTORICAL FACT. Since no other team has ever had the toughest 80 game opening night schedule in a 15 player per game NBA during a season with an IN SEASON TOURNAMENT, the Pistons are the best team in NBA History when facing that situation. HISTORICAL FACT.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@scottwickett1273 NO one else has done what the Pistons did... BETTER than the Pistons. FACT.

[@hasaniali3489]

I'm geeked for this season! They'll be much more exciting to watch this year.

[@sam-ll2xc]

Tobias Harris is a great mentor for young players if you want them to never hustle.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

You've made a mistake in that you referred to the past as if it were the present. Even if, in your ARROGANT, not HUMBLE, OPINION Harris didn't hustle in the past... it's the past. Harris isn't guilty of not hustling in the 2024-25 season. Your negative focus = a losing mindset.

[@MehdiZenati-n4i]

J'espère que les Pistons gagneront beaucoup plus de matchs que l'année dernière et terminerons entre la douzième place et la dixième.

[@Kenn2024]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 It's UP !!!!

[@kurtis_schmurtis]

Pistons could win more games than the last two seasons combined and still get another 5th overall pick.

[@Chris-uq7in]

The question is, how will they distribute minutes among their roster? Will their new vets play enough mins to really have an impact and add some more wins? Will their young players be given actual in game reps to gain development in real games?🤔

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@Chris-uq7in RIP Hamilton on TV Commercial: "You want to shoot like me? That can be tough; you'd have to shoot a thousand jumpers a day for 20 years." Chris... a player can't get up 1K jumpers a day during games. 🤨🫡 True Development takes place between games. DURING games players learn how best to use what's ALREADY DEVELOPED. Scenario: ALL 15 players play well in a game; who do you reward with extra minutes for "Development" the next game. NOTE: There are no extra minutes for development when everyone plays well. Or RATHER, there SHOULDN'T BE. It is counterintuitive thinking to casual fans, but when things are going right, there's no "developing" occurring during games, because the Coaching staff puts players in position to use what's ALREADY most highly developed. Development by the Coach should occur in practices, shootarounds, walkthroughs, etc. It's always been what players do IN ADDITION to team requirements that builds ELITE Skills and CHAMPIONS.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@Chris-uq7in Playing time is based PURELY on PRODUCTION with the Pistons... the same as in the 7th Game of the Finals. This way there is no COACHING FAVORITISM. No Pistons player can use lack of playing time from the coach as a reason for lack of development.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@Chris-uq7in So, counter to the thinking of casual fans, it's best if NO TIME is used for Player Development during games... IF YOU WANT TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. 🫡

[@Chris-uq7in]

@@J.Ragland-hz1er lmfao. Can't really talk about championships and game 7s when Detroit always has one the worst record in the league for several years now and has been rebuilding for the longest time. And absolutely, players do most of the real work before & after games to get better but you do still need those REAL GAME reps to really show what you can do against REAL top competition. ALL players practice & train their butts off but not all develop and reach their true potential. You can shoot 1M shots in practice but those shots are still gonna be different in real games / live action. You need to experience the pace/speed of real games, compete against real competition & know the tendencies/habits of other players. Based on production alone? Got to remember the future will still largely depend on the young core, the new vets ain't exactly long-term pieces to really let them be your main guys this year if the young players under perform. Detroit ain't expected to really make noise next season to justify giving spot mins to the young players. Still gonna give them those reps to build their confidence. Find that BALANCE especially when the team ain't expected to really compete for anything any time soon..

[@Chris-uq7in]

@@J.Ragland-hz1er LMFAO. Just as players train and practice to develop, anybody in their right mind know giving the young guys in game reps IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. Thats how players get comfortable & gain confidence as they develop. Development is gradual and different for each and every player. You don't draft young players high in the lottery and just let them rot on the bench when they're not ready yet. That's called mismanagement of asset especially if you're team is literally the WORST team in the league. That's ABSOLUTELY DUMB! Like, literally one of the mistake last season was not giving Ivey enough mins. Nothing beats REAL competition. The player loses confidence and his value goes down. You wont really know what you got if you wont use them. Would you pay a player just based on what he does in practice? Lol. Detroit will still be one of the worst team in the league next season, if the coach has some brain he should know that nothing beats in game reps. Just hold players accountable..

[@POPINTHETAPE]

We will win 20 something games this year. Not enough to compete in the east and definitely not the west.

[@maddyandfriends4188]

Of all the things going on in the nba and you think even a casual fan will fall for this crap?

[@brianjohnson4780]

Pistons shock the world and get the 8th seed this season. MARK THIS POST!

[@scottwickett1273]

Lol.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

Height matters Brian, and the Pistons tallest player is only 6'10". 8th Seed is an EXTREMELY Tall Order when a team starts out playing the equivalent of a 2nd Round Playoff Schedule. You come off like someone that deliberaty picks an unrealistically high W-L Record just so you can bash the coach and players and talk like you're smarter than the entire Pistons organization combined.

[@abilaashbalathasan3494]

That's good what they did let's see what raptors can do

[@xavierwashpun951]

You have to start Cade, Ivey, Tec, Harris, and Duren. Off the bench, you just bring in Beasley, THJ, Reed, and Stewart while spelling Cade And Ivey at the point. Ausar, Holland, and Sasser should play in the G unless of injury.

[@MichiganHendough]

hell no lol

[@rafaellemkedepaola515]

These ARE the same pistons 😮‍💨

[@davidmcpherson1347]

Crack is as wack as your comment. (WHERE do you guys come from???!)

[@scottwickett1273]

@@davidmcpherson1347 He's right: they are still doing everything wrong.

[@antoinecampbell786]

No disrespect, but we haven’t seen them play yet. They just might be the same old pistons. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MichiganHendough]

we didnt have 0 shooting last guarentee you it wont be

[@POPINTHETAPE]

I don’t understand what is our obsession w Tobias Harris. I look forward to trading him away in 2K25.

[@nateantosz390]

we have a bunch of talented slashers, tobias can space the floor. no ones gonna realize how good cade is till they can create a competitive environment

[@nateantosz390]

our entire team is talented youngsters- vets are vital in rebuilding to help the new guys adjust. i dont think we sold the rebuild

[@IAmAbundunt]

No, we need a 6’10 stretch 4

[@POPINTHETAPE]

@@nateantosz390 what has Tobias Harris done his entire tenure w the 76ers?

[@nateantosz390]

@@POPINTHETAPE average 70 games played with about 17 points on pretty decent efficiency. how do you see it? so many problems with that org toby the least of it

[@Antonio-h7c]

Pistons did everything right so far except for thj trade got them winning anywhere from 27-40 games

[@KingRhoamBosphoramusHyru-mr4gv]

I think they will win anywhere between 0-82 games

[@scottwickett1273]

The Hardaway trade was the only move I liked, other than the Holland pick. Everything you think was good was actually disastrous fucking dogshit and them continuing to shoot themselves in the fucking dick like morons. It's all fucked. There is no hope.

[@Greg3G1G3]

Not touching they win line pistons still want to be in flagg contention

[@scottwickett1273]

Yes, yes they do: this new GM is deliberately tanking. The way(s) you can tell is they still have no rim protection and no backup point guard.

[@MPratt-zq4ek]

How do you think more wins with us picking up 1 vet in Tim jr. we gonna just be running up and down the court. I can’t see the pistons winning 25 games. We still don’t have an automatic 2 player. That’s why we will be just running up and down the court. All they can do now is low post. We gonna suck

[@MPratt-zq4ek]

We should have picked Zack Edey. 1 2 punch now it’s just a team with no punch. Cade is a star but he needs a guy like Edey to take the pressure off. All these guys gonna try and find a shot. Edey already has a shot a low post game. No figuring things out. We would be on the championship trail. Picks we got don’t measure up to Zack and what he could have added to our team. We are getting small forwards to play centers. Our centers are the same size as our guards. And they can’t shoot. I like Duren but he’s not the fit. These guys don’t know basketball. I hate to see our pistons go through this. Have guys that really don’t know basketball it seems. All these guys running around with no shot. We will be horrible. DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!!

[@scottwickett1273]

@@MPratt-zq4ek You are the only person who thinks this Edey nonsense.

[@bamidelakin-np2ub]

I've never seen a team actually GIVE UP on a rebuild and start signing all kinds of vets because they can't find stars through the draft😅😅😅 first

[@Artis_OTS]

All the vets they signed can shoot and that's what the team has needed more than anything.

[@J-Hue]

Idk that they've given up. Their young core will likely still be the focal point. They just got a better roster surrounding them.

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

Casual take…

[@Mrcool19771]

😮​@@DunningKrugerJnrhe's not a casual. Even a casual knows more .

[@nateantosz390]

not acknoledging cade stardom is ignorant

[@detroitmidunkin2138]

😎😎😎

[@321thach]

5 years 5 top 5 picks enough said about the Pistons

[@bboyizzy]

This team is terrible. They cant draft right and cant attract any good talent unless they vastly overpay. Pistons are trash water.

[@scottwickett1273]

Yep! And it didn't have to be this way: they're fucked, still, because they're stupid, still.

[@scottwickett1273]

Wait, wut? They had a TERRIBLE offseason. I'm still mad about it.

[@LucaRosano3]

Why would you say that?

[@scottwickett1273]

​@@LucaRosano3 Disgusting overpay to Tobi, and more generally a complete lack of asset collection with all that cap space: they somehow came out of it without any meaningful assets (i.e. future firsts) AND without any good contracts to trade (i.e. Tobi won't net you a first from a contender specifically because he is so wildly overpaid). I would have taken Holland at #1 so I was happy with the pick, and the Hardaway trade was at least conceptually the right idea (collecting assets as bribery for taking on bad money), but on the whole they are still screwed because they are still stupid. I hate it here.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

@@scottwickett1273 Tom Gores bought the Pistons for $350 MIL and his investment is now worth $3.5 BILLION. But YOU (seemingly) consider yourself SUPERIOR to Tom Gores when it comes to investing money in people, so Gores should defer to your expertise. Gotcha.

[@scottwickett1273]

@@J.Ragland-hz1er I didn't say he should defer to MY expertise, but he's a catastrophic failure who has completely ruined this once-proud franchise (and a coked-out-looking clown with weird hair), so....he definitely should defer to SOMEBODY'S expertise at this point, right?

[@chetisanhart3457]

I'd start: C Duren PF Tobias SF Hardaway Jr SG Beasley PG Cade. Stew would be my 1st big off the bench. Everybody else would have to win minutes with work. The creme will rise.

[@scottwickett1273]

Lmafo, you would go 0-82 because you would give up 200 PPG with that dogshit lineup. (Stew has to start over Duren because a starting center who is as bad on defense as Duren is is automatically a horrible player who makes you lose.)

[@MPratt-zq4ek]

We could have had an additional star. EDEY! Langdon picked all these wings. No beef in the middle. Edey would have made way more sense as we could have still gotten wings. Even if he came off the bench, he makes us wayyyy better. I’m not understanding the pick and the picks after. Along with Tobias. Tobias can’t check Bancero. Or Giannus or KD. Asar can. Just not smart moves wasting our young talent tinkering with chicken wings. We gonna be Bar B Que chicken lol. DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!

[@scottwickett1273]

Lol. Lmao, even.

[@realityblood]

Signing washed vets isn’t a great offseason

[@Time-To-Obligation]

Lucas Rasóno was talking more the changes to the Front offices and shooting coaches this off-season, than the weird veteran signings

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

lol, Dunning Kruger is in your house… …it was strategically good Complete change of problematic and unpopular front office? ✔️ Get some vets to ensure centrepiece Cade has some on and off court support? ✔️ ✔️ Ensure those vets aren’t on long contracts…one or two year max? ✔️ Ensure at least one of those contracts is flippantly as an expiring in coming trade deadline to grab any bargains that the new CBA forces clubs move on? ✔️ Trade some cap space for useful assets? ✔️ Ensure centrepiece Cade feels you have a direction and are moving ahead, not treading water and looking for more picks? ✔️ I’d say that was a solid offseason based on the horror show that 2024 turned into 🤷‍♂️

[@Antonio-h7c]

Who washed they signed?

[@nateantosz390]

a player averaging 17 on 50% is always gonna be valueble... why dont you go shit on the westbrick pickup?

[@scottwickett1273]

@@DunningKrugerJnr You really are a Dunning-Kruger case, which is to say you are very stupid: this offseason was a total disaster.

[@Greg3G1G3]

Long as cade the best player on the pistons and he not a all star these are the same pistons

[@scottwickett1273]

Wut? The problem is everyone else.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

Greg3GIG3 - Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but fans of other teams CAMPAIGN for their players to recieve ALL STAR Votes. And they don't do so by engaging in GAULT FINDING Contests of their own players. You could use some FAN DEVELOPMENT.

[@ronaldwilliams9635]

They drafted Ron Holland to replace Jaden Ivey. Book It.

[@jvaughn2459]

no he wont. ivey could very well still be our second best core player and he wanna be here bc his family ties to detroit so no fuck that they better never trade em

[@scottwickett1273]

@@jvaughn2459 Ivey sucks. And all the family ties bullshit is totally fucking irrelevant.

[@J.Ragland-hz1er]

There's more than enough room for both and more in a 15 player per game NBA. DEPTH IS VITAL!!

[@Antonio-h7c]

Think starting lineup be Cade Ivey Asuar Tobias Duren asuar defense athleticism needed more than fronttechio shooting

[@gameknotz3602]

Ausar isn’t enough to make a difference defensively for me to start him over Font.

[@Antonio-h7c]

@@gameknotz3602 he fs is he elite and athleticism and versatility being able to play 3-4 positions plus high IQ pace and motion can hide shooting woes fronttechio can still get close to 30 off bench playing back up 3-4

[@gameknotz3602]

@@Antonio-h7c yeah but you’re literally bringing back the spacing we had last year and his deficiency’s in dribbling and shooting don’t make up for the lack of spacing. I get he’s a good player and elite defender but spacing is what you need around Cade and we don’t have the defensive personnel to be worried about defense.

[@Antonio-h7c]

@@gameknotz3602 Tobias wasn't there last year we had very little motion and speed last year whole different regime from coaching staff to players plus another year under belt of development we got best shooting coach in game let's make him work and see his progress it's way more to aspects to basketball than shooting and asuar better than fronttechio in every aspect but shooting defense win championship not shooting

[@scottwickett1273]

@@Antonio-h7c Tobi sucks.

[@Greg3G1G3]

Not best lineup but I think best for developing and fit Start Cade Beasley Ausar Tobias Duren Bench Ivey holland fontchicio Stew Reed

[@scottwickett1273]

Stew should start over Duren because Duren is horrible; defense continues to be a thing that exists.

[@jeffwishes]

JB has a squad fr … dang … if Cade & Ivy hit with a all star caliber season from Tobias Harris kinda leading the charge with great role players and young bigs … this could be a hard night for any team kinda out of nowhere … Harris should be ready to put the last of his prime to good use …

[@IAmAbundunt]

Better coaching, better shooting, better roster depth equates to better results, the Piston’s will make the playoffs

[@akaboonie]

bro what

[@scottwickett1273]

@@akaboonie He must smoke crack.