Dragon Lore Theory Iceberg - A Song of Ice and Fire - House of the Dragon

Everything you wanted to know about dragons, and then some! This theory iceberg will focus on the dragons themselves - their origin, their nature, their interactions with humans, the people who carry blood-of-the-dragon, and all magics and magical artifacts associated with dragons - dragon’s eggs, dragonbinder horns, fused stone, dragonglass, Valyrian steel, and more.
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[@ethanmatt1]

I always assumed the wounds on balerion were from him clawing the worms out of his skin. As we know, there isn't much that can harm him, but we know he's strong enough to hurt himself

[@Wright9806]

Good idea I like it

[@ethanmatt1]

Thanks so much for the likes guys and gals, I had no idea anyone would have my back

[@Snort_WarpstoneYes_Yes]

It was probably Aurion's Dragon which survived and settled in the ruins of Valyria.

[@popcornfilms1]

Interesting take

[@efrent-vr3bm]

Perhaps those valyrian gods are the original valyrians lords/ladies who sacrificed themselves to create that initial dragon bond

[@soxpeewee]

I think they're at the very least the original dragon lord lines or the names of subspecies of dragon eg Balerion might be the black dragon line or something like that.

[@cloverazar5315]

Or, if you want to go with the idea of GEOTD using their various slave races as “volunteers” to shove into the dragons - and then the proto-Valyrians escaping during the Long Night and following societal collapse - then it’s a way of commemorating the deceased ancestors

[@思瑞刘]

the 14 gods may the blood witch, using blood magic to create dragons.

[@kennyg4203]

Them: listening to music while working Me: listening to the 4 hour iceberg on dragon lore (we are not the same)

[@notjeremy2871]

Literally

[@ev3794]

this is so real

[@vanessaprincesssa]

I feel so seen ❤

[@Muscovada]

yep

[@Smdjrjj]

We are the blood of the dragon !

[@lizbennett1905]

My fun theory is Morning, the last pink dragon hatched in Westeros, isn't sickly and small but the dragon equivalent of a chihuahua. Royal women often had lap dogs as companions and status symbols, hence dragons being bred to be "smaller than a cat".

[@soxpeewee]

OMG. I love that Edit: Wait...do the dragons have the same personality as a Chihuahua? Terrifying.

[@KimberLefaye]

I wanna lap dragon too!

[@pankratos5017]

A fun theory, yet there is absolutely no precedence for it. The Dance of the Dragons ended in 131 AC, with four known dragons remaining, and the Last Dragon died 22 years after that. None of the dragons before the Dance were specifically bred to be small as pets.

[@cloverazar5315]

@@soxpeeweegiven that chihuahua were initially the Aztec war dog? Checks out

[@lmaoashley]

I love this 😭

[@MrHws5mp]

Going off aircraft analogues: Ground Attack Dragon: bred for thickest scales to resist arrows and spears. Fighter Dragon: bred for speed and agility to take down Recce Dragons from rival houses. Recce/Patrol Dragon: similar to a High-Endurance Messenger Dragon, but with different equipment: dual saddles with a secure means of carrying and using a glass candle. Couple of other things: Eye-protection: any motorcyclist, let alone pilot, will tell you that travelling fast through the air can rapidly make you blind, whether by bugs, rain, or even just cold. We know they've got small amounts of (doubtless expensive) glass, so it's hard to believe that a pair of goggles wouldn't be amongst a dragon-rider's most prized possessions. Navigation: again, any pilot will tell you that it's VERY easy to get lost over unfamiliar terrain, even when you can see it, never mind cloud, rain and darkness. Dragon riders going any distance should have map pockets strapped to their legs. How you keep them dry and swap maps in-flight is interesting without velcro and clear plastic pockets: maybe you'd have special dragon-rider maps drawn on leather with waterproof dyes, and some kind of clever system of cords to keep them attached, but allow you to at least flip them over if not turn pages.

[@vanessaprincesssa]

That’s so cool! 🎉

[@ThommyofThenn]

Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Dragons (but were afraid to ask for fear of getting BBQEd)

[@wafflingmean4477]

My guess is Aenar's role in the Doom wasn't just hiring the Faceless Men. If it were that easy someone else could have done it. There's more than one Valyrian Steel sword. There's more than a few factions with that much gold. But as a dragon lord, Aenar likely knew the identities of many of the mages who oversaw the Fourteen Flames, layouts of the networks of tunnels within the volcanoes, schedules for where the mages would be and when, how dangerous they were in a fight (at the height of Valyrian power, magic would have been incredibly strong there, so these fire mages would have been INCREDIBLY powerful), etc.

[@briennesfatsister4788]

Great stream David. Can't wait for next week.

[@ThommyofThenn]

It needs to be Sunday again!

[@thelonelybolter8245]

10:06 12/10 agree Nettles echoes historic Valerian dragon taming. I love how GRRM will flesh out a bit of worldbuilding or magic in a seemingly unrelated spot, only for it to come alive from a different perspective. I remember how the Varamyr Six Skins prologue exploded in my mind when Jon died - a nice little roadmap of how Jon could come back.

[@WildeMermaid]

Possibly my favorite theory iceberg by far. 🐲

[@jeff4son]

Comment for the algorithm

[@ThommyofThenn]

*R'hllor loved that*

[@soxpeewee]

Always!

[@ivandankob7112]

⁠@@ThommyofThennR’hllor is an AI

[@1964sami]

Dragons

[@Aremca87]

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[@setelliott9683]

I think Aerea's wyrms are leftover wrong-way experiments from the same experiment as that which created the Dragons and Valerians. So a genetic sibling strain born from the same blood magic origin.

[@setelliott9683]

So kraken binder is not entirely out of the question. I wonder what the horn of Winter binds the blower to.

[@DavidLightbringer]

yeah I think that's a reasonable assumption

[@FlushedNoob]

The dream of Denys could also not be a literal dragon dream but a radical political aspirational dream.

[@DavidLightbringer]

"I have a dream" haha I love it

[@Wright9806]

Praising some nice garth on my day off with a deep dive on dragons 🐉 lovely

[@aworldofmoirairene7655]

I love the glasses!! Half the reason I come back!

[@NullXception-]

Missed it live. Just starting. Hoping to hear how there’s 1) dragons in winterfell 2) a dragon in the mountains of the moon 3) another dragon in cracklaw point. 4) three dragons in the neck (One of these I made up)

[@soxpeewee]

What about the water dragons? Like Nagga and her ribs...

[@NullXception-]

Like Dany, I kinda forgot

[@KimberLefaye]

Your source for all things Dragon!

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

For all things fire and blood 😋

[@KimberLefaye]

@@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 for all things Ice and Fire 😋😀

[@JackG79]

For all things ice and fire

[@ebest536]

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[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

Wow! Dragonglass can store souls!!? That's a huge lore drop right there, if it is still true! It can be an afterlife like the Weirwoods! Martin has this whisperjuwels and crystals that can store memories and minds in his "Thousand Worlds" universe.

[@rena7123]

🐲I would love a "Spicy Noodle-Monster" shirt - excellent and entertaining stream👍thx

[@sarahevans-politte4756]

Damn, this is such a cool stream! You are the only content creator who has bothered to take his/her time to discuss the importance of the glass candles succinctly!

[@squisherking]

Just starting the video so well see if you get into this topic. But Im convinced theres a dragon in the north somewhere. I dont have any logistic answers for you, idk where it was or what its been doing this whole time. All i know is that the book plainly states that Summer looks up into the sky and sees a giant snake with wings that breathes fire. To me, thats a dragon period end of story. Just dont ask me how it got there i have no idea lol.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@mxmlnlcdcdffmnt2232]

​@@SaneMillennialDragon dreams seems to be a rarity among Targaryens but of course the only Dragonrider POV is Dany who also is a dreamer so we can't have a definitive answer.

[@soxpeewee]

​@@SaneMillennialMaybe the Others have hatched the thing

[@jessjess23brooks89]

David has a whole video on how there is a dragon in the crypts of Winterfell left there by Jacarys during the Dance. It's either hatched or an egg and it's been sending dreams to Jon to come find it, but the dream always cuts off.

[@lmaoashley]

@@jessjess23brooks89link?

[@AnnabelTheGoldsmith]

I was hoping this stream would be 3 hrs for my 3 hrs train ride at 5.30am and its nearly 4 hrs HOOZAR! Gonna settle in to the world of LML dragon lore ❤✌ always appreciated dude 🙏 p.s can't wait for the piiiiin! 🐙 🦑 🐙 🦑

[@brianmoore4240]

I’m so angry I missed this LS. This has to be one of my favorite videos you’ve ever made David. It has me theory crafting a bit honestly.. I’m no lore expert like yourself but I wonder the logistics of maintaining Valyria people and their Dragons .. no possible way they had enough sheep pig cattle to feed mega empire plus (I’m assuming) hundreds of dragons !! Some even larger than the black dread . I wonder with all their dark magics if they had a way to FUEL the dragons outside of actual meat, and MAYBE this could be why those dragons grew larger than the black dread did .

[@TheeAmethystEmpress6589]

Ya got me 🤔 Never thought much about that before, however you make perfect sense.

[@anorangetabby]

I always thought that they probably fed them from the slaves who were no longer of use to them. Ugh, so horrible, but I couldn't think of another way to keep them all fed. 😢

[@joemckeown4612]

Excellent stream David! Can’t wait to see you get to 200k subs this season of hotd

[@squisherking]

Icedragonberg!

[@KBlanca513]

I think the dragons have the spirits of Drogo, Rhaego, and Viserys. MMD was used to fuel the pyre spell itself.

[@jiggajayflow]

It would be crazy if the dragon dream from the egg thing was cursed and lovecraftian if you aren't from dragon rider heritage. So Euron for example is getting fucked up dragon spookiness from his egg

[@spicypineapple2778]

So PISSED that I missed this! I have so many ideas!

[@buffysummers7887]

every time the phrase "road crew dragons" crops up, I'm reminded of the bonded labor teams from the book Dinotopia

[@Snort_WarpstoneYes_Yes]

One terrifying thing I thought of is the Targaryen were a middling house yet they conquered a nation with a fraction of their former strength. Their Dragons might have not been the best bred or the largest by far. This begs the question, what kind of monsters were the "royal" Dragons, it would only make sense the larger houses had the strongest Dragons.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I've thought about this exact thing, yeah.They conquered Westeros with only three. Think about the Valyrians with hundreds of them.

[@Snort_WarpstoneYes_Yes]

The idea of a troop transport Dragon isn't a crazy idea since we use Helicopters to transport elite troops for surgical strikes. Imagine 20 elite Valyrian knights with dragon steel armor and weapons being dropped into a castle to rapidly secure the gatehouse.

[@DavidLightbringer]

damn right

[@NabilaGasmi-fr3et]

1:48:00 let my cleo cook

[@jaythebookfiend1541]

All the body horror in this splendidly spooky stream, and what gets the jump scare? Iceberg Flow to Parrot-Pops at 1:47:44

[@pontosfathompress]

You had me at Melnibone! The Ruby Throne of Imryr the beautiful the Dragon Island. Thanks David.

[@kat1722]

I've been binging on different song of ice and fire content while I've been listening to the books, I've been dodging hotd tv stuff as saving to watch the season at once but also when I'm not here there and everywhere

[@THEMightyMonarch316]

Commenting on the re-rewatch, Awesome content and insight per usual from you and the mythfam ! P.S that Foreigner/ATHF reference was .."cccccold as ice" lol

[@MC-el2us]

I’m here for a dawn age//long night video game.

[@ThatTargaryenGuy]

1:40:33 I also don't understand pulling out at the last second. That's why I have two kids On a serious note, Septon Barth is always right. We have to take it as the correct guess

[@Birdbrainz420]

Excellent stream thank you!

[@wafflingmean4477]

I think it really says a lot about the Valyrians that in their conflict with the Rhoynar, they initially only sent 3 dragons with 100k soldiers. Only to whip out 300 dragons afterward. Why not use 300 dragons as your opening move? You probably wouldn't even need the ground troops. They sent 100k soldiers and only 3 dragons because after being in power for so long, it's likely Valyrian politicians could barely be bothered to wage their own wars, instead choosing to sacrifice tens of thousands of their subjects (and also have the war take way, way longer due to moving ground troops around instead of flying dragons over) because that way they don't have to get off the couch. It was only after the Rhoynish victory that the Valyrians got serious about it, fearing that being defeated would cause more rebellions and so the Rhoyne needed to be completed glassed. But ultimately, being embarrassed is what actually got the dragonlords off the couch.

[@anorangetabby]

The road crew dragons are probably the retired ones who are just working part-time for something to do. 🙂🙃😊

[@dsdgjj]

Euron being the “third head of the dragon” but ending up body-snatched by original Azor Ahai/Night’s King would fit a pattern of the “third head” in the dragon bond being an ancestral spirit 🤔

[@ThommyofThenn]

That would be so cool if Azor possessed him and Eurons eyes started glowing red

[@soxpeewee]

Well the Iron born are supposedly descendants of ancient mariners. Maybe they're more Valaryian than a lot of Westerosi

[@pankratos5017]

​@@soxpeeweeThey'd even be descendants of pre-Valyrian dragonriders: those from the Great Empire of the Dawn.

[@cloverazar5315]

And also the third head being a slave or involuntary conscript. If Euron gets snatched, he’s not gonna be in there by choice 😂

[@mr.narrator6781]

I think the main way to tell the difference between dragon and wyvern skeletons is simply size. Dragons are way bigger than their wyvern cousins. If all the found skeletons around the world are all of juvenile/small sized dragons then they are probably wyverns. But, if there are huge ancient skeletons that are poping up all over then they have to be dragons and the mystery continues.

[@Fenrisaiyan]

the talk of dragon and wyvern bones got me thinking too far😅 . So calcium compounds are usually white i.e bones, shells, limestone so I looked up if there is a black calcium compound. Calcium phosphide is a black solid so we can guess that is what dragon bones are.

[@soxpeewee]

I assumed Quaithe can't tell Danerys the simple truth because she is bound by the Church of Starry Wisdom to NOT say certain things AND because others are listening. I also think that the dragons have access to the astral plane via the glass candles or any obsidian. I'm thinking the dragons get sucked into the astral plane if attacked with dragon glass just like the White walkers/others. Basically the obsidian is the magic gateway between life and death.

[@bennett420316]

Fire Wyrms seems to be the most horror and unknown dragon's. Especially if can infection riders and leave a gash that nearly killed the worlds strongest dragon.

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Awesome Iceberg. Very cool, thank you.

[@mercedescreates]

This was awesome! Fireworms wahhhh

[@michaeltavizon8333]

Killing it

[@anorangetabby]

Cleo's "pink out" 😂❤

[@maggiesierra9912]

To suggest that a human soul/mind has to be bonded to a dragon in order for a descendant to bond to it is GENIUS notion… But it also infers that Drogan wouldn’t be the intake of Khal Drogo- but Reagal (her son, for the genetic reasons…) Then it’s a guessing game of whose souls is in which other dragon. Maybe someone from the khalasar who is descending from Drogo’s family could claim a dragon. Miri Mas Dur is of the Lamb Men… what if she has some descendant like Nettles?? Lots of fun options for GRRM to play with.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh right duh Rhaego is Dany's blood

[@maggiesierra9912]

I’m still hanging on to this theory. It’s good and has a LOT of great storyline options.

[@soxpeewee]

We're assuming the blood sacrifices have to be the dead in the funeral pyre. If it's just someone who died recently or for Danerys to acquire the dragons there are a ton of possibilities like Viserys, for example. It's also possible that GRRM is pulling a Harry Potter and part of Danerys soul is in one or all of the dragons after the pyre.

[@A1B2C3D4E5F-c]

Haven't watched yet, but definitely awesome again

[@cloverazar5315]

1:50:57 if Melisandre is BR’s kid, doesn’t that mean there’s a third person with Blackwood+Targaryen blood, and a skill buff in fire and/or ice magic, booting around at the wall? That’s fun

[@sycoutuber92]

What if Valyrians are actually the parasitic wyrms. The valyrians could have incubated the wyrms in soaves or other people to create the first of the dragon blood valyrians. Making them quite literally the blood of the dragon. They also could have taken those parasitic fire wyrms and planted them in wyverns to create dragons. Then planted the wyrms in themselves to create valyrians, which would make dragons and valyrians just mutated wyrms.

[@nickim6571]

Actually, lizard people should be cold-blooded, since reptiles are cold-blooded.

[@soxpeewee]

Eh they're mostly mammals and the Valaryians have a touch of fireworm. Seems like the Valaryians bred a bunch of magical creatures together and kept the successes.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

Like George keeps saying and half the fandom constantly forgets "It's magic."

[@A1B2C3D4E5F-c]

Learned a lot from you.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

Is Quaithe speaking in riddles because she is speaking in prophecy, like Helaena in the show? Like in the Dunk&Egg or with Jojen’s dreams, prophecy comes as a symbol or allegory, it’s not clear cut. So Quaithe could be experiencing the same?

[@SteelhawkFraser]

1:43:56 oh my goodness, that is one of the best asoiaf theories I’ve seent

[@buffysummers7887]

hearing the timeline of the Valyrian civilization discussed early on makes me wonder if dragonriders as a whole were never supposed to flourish into a people, but rather, were intended only as weapons against the first Long Night, a company of champions rather than one sole figure. The tale of Azor Ahai then being not a reference to one last hero, but the description of how dragons & dragonriders came to be, which would also explain why there are so many Azor Ahai across Planetos. It might be a cute reference & parallel to the inspiration for the Valyrians, the Melnibonéans, who began as glorious figures before sprawling into a decadent & complex society ~hits play & loads my current save of CK2 AGOT~ ✨☄️🐉☺️⚔️🛡️✨

[@theeditors7206]

I'm hoping they find a way to include Daphne's reaction after they get engaged or wed, like in a letter from her perhaps.

[@TheeAmethystEmpress6589]

🤔🤔 Who is Daphne?

[@McHobotheBobo]

World Con is in Glasgow!

[@McHobotheBobo]

Incidentally Britain is where George's publishers are located, and he visited them late last year a few months before the renowned blue rose post.... a similar gap in time to a visit before another book in the series' release..... I'm convinced Winds is arriving soon, George readily could have returned to World Con in recent years and has made a point not to until now. Why? I think we all know and are too scared to Dream....

[@spacewalrus7820]

Troop transport would probably be bigger and stronger to be able to carry a box of sorts

[@A1B2C3D4E5F-c]

Super cool.

[@Mako64121]

Alien Romulus!!🔥

[@1992zorro]

haven't seen this guy for a long time, does he still have that nice parrot?

[@Fubarius42]

“All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Valyrians ever done for us?” “Brought peace?” “Oh Peace. Shut up!”

[@Michael-bn1oi]

Great movie lol

[@darrellwalker4053]

Night gathers and my watch begins .

[@A1B2C3D4E5F-c]

Now I'm watching.

[@Matatabi6]

Saying Valyria is like Rome and the 3rd reich combined makes it sound like Rome wasn’t just as bad. They didn’t have as high tech experimentation but they were just as brutal and dehumanizing, they were just a lot longer ago and a lot of people give them a free pass for being “important to western culture” or some other nonsense. Check the line about the Roman’s from god emperor of dune if you need a good poetic phrasing

[@CheeseTriangles]

Dragonberg Icelore

[@Geronimo1970]

1:49:00 If Jon's gonna be a firewight, shouldn't he be able to skinchange Eurons dragon?

[@chronochim3220]

Who is the 1st dragon rider the winged man(folcon knight) or Dawn ?

[@SoCalledGodess]

More Cleo content!! 😍😍😍

[@Aussie0624]

Cleoism is the one true way, David. 🤣

[@soxpeewee]

All men must serve Cleo. -"Valor Cleo."

[@brittanyofhouseblackwood]

On the topic of if dragons are engineered or natural we mustn't forget the interview with Mr. Toussaint about HoTD where he says that the creation of dragons was magical and something about alchemy, I forget the wording but he's talking about Ryan Condal and dragon creation

[@Quirkus23]

Do you have a link for this? I would love to read more since I think alchemical ideas are a backbone of ASOIAF. Thanks either way.

[@soxpeewee]

According to the Maesters and the Summer Islanders there's a history of lizard people on Sothoros that predates the long night and Valaryia. I'm guessing that the lizard people are part of the alchemist/dragon creations. It's mentioned in this stream but GRRM doesn't make to many throw away lines of lore.

[@Kyng_T]

Idk why but every time I hear grey ghost it’s in the voice of a crow

[@josephine2512]

I don’t have the money for HBO this time around, so sad I’ll be missing season 2 and 100% will get so many spoilers lol:/

[@geoninja3631]

amazing theories ty

[@emlynperson3976]

why is there no road runing through the great grass land ? first i thought it was the mountain but no because then it would be from mereen to sathar but there is none .

[@jakubjanicki3989]

The botany of Valyria thing mentioned around 18:35 is a clear easter egg pointing at the Voynich Manuscript, though idno if it was intended by Martin or Petersen. Either way, I wouldn't lok into it too much, it's clearly an easter egg without deeper meaning, like Sezame Street characters or Chthulu stuff.

[@shreyakar9220]

Do you think the amount of valyrian blood and dna a person has, it will positively relates to the strength of the bond between the dragon and the dragonroder? Or if a dragon rider whose dragon hatches to them has a stronger bond than a person that claims it? Do the first rider of a dragon has a stronger bond than the other riders of that dragon? I have so many questions and no answers to these questions.

[@DavidLightbringer]

We could only speculate we don't have it that information

[@thedornishmanswife3712]

do we think Daynes could hatch or bond with dragons and maybe were just never close enough to live ones in modern time

[@emilypennington6354]

Loving this!!!❤

[@gildedgems]

2:07:14 I think you might be missing something here (and you might have brought it up later idk I haven't watched the whole thing yet) but notable that Jae-man was potentially chill with executing a slave and using her blood (and considering she was a bed slave, also being a slave master who raped his slaves) but AFTER the Doom, was willing to throw himself between a slave and a whip. You posit that he was an abolitionist, but could it be that he discovered that the destruction of all he knew was revenge for the horrible slavery of Valyria? Perhaps when he saw a slave getting whipped like that, he was overcome with survivors guilt as he had carried out similar punishments on slaves and that was the cause (in his mind) for the Doom, or he was terrified that the punishment of slaves would cause another extinction event. It does seem strange to me that a supposed abolitionist would 1) own "bed slaves" 2) execute a slave for a crime seemingly no one else witnessed and 3) record this for seemingly very little reason. Like sir, this is a wen(series of records containing tons of otherwise lost information on ancient plants)dy's

[@DavidLightbringer]

after thinking about it further, it's possible the doom changed his opinion. but it's also important to remember that society shapes people's worldviews, so even many "abolitionists" in the US still thought of black people as lesser... they just didn't think it was right to enslave them. That cultural propaganda sinks in deep. So this gardener Valyrian, he might have been one who was less inclined to "abusing" slaves but was still inculcated to the idea of Valyrian supremacy.

[@gildedgems]

​​@@DavidLightbringerI agree with you that society shapes our views, but perhaps in a different way. You liken this gardener to abolitionists for black American slavery, but the slavery in Valyria is not like that. The type of chattel slavery in the US is unknown to most of the world, or worlds, in Planatos' case. Meaning there is not a targeted race in Essos that was considered the "worst race" like black people were. Valyrians did consider themselves "the best race" but the type of slavery they engaged in was still much more similar to slavery pre- the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. That's not to say there weren't abolitionists pre-black chattel slavery, but that the black chattel slavery we tend to be most familiar with and the otherwise forced labor slavery that was most common throughout history and which is depicted here aren't very comparable My point here is that our gardener would have at most thought slaves were lesser because they were NOT Valyrians, but he would have thought about everyone non-Valyrian. Slaves were the lowest but that was because they were slaves, not because they were any particular race. A slave's cousin who was free for whatever reason would not have been thought as low as a slave simply because he is not a slave, while a freed black person would have was still a black person (and frequently could have been forced back into slavery at any moment solely bc of that). It's possible there were even Valyrian slaves, because slave was a status and not something pre-ordained by something like skin color. So again what is the most likely reason a Valyrian who was comfortable 1) owning a slave 2) likely raping a slave 3) executing a slave for a crime seemingly no one else witnessed 4) using her blood to his benefit and 5) recording all that without much of a second thought... Would have such a change of heart after the Doom that he was willing to die to stop a slave being punished? We might come to different conclusions here but it's something to consider

[@AnonymousGamerDB]

For diversity saje since nettles is already black will the tv show cast her as asian or indian? It would be consistent with hollywood

[@Sagaofwinter]

As far as dragons being created or natural. Are they not inextricably linked to the magic of the world? They have to be natural

[@dussa472]

Kind of messed up to say that only the women are victims of the incest stuff with the Targs, how would you feel if you had to marry your sister because I would def feel victimized lol

[@cmschmidt]

So question. If Victarion goes into Viserion what happens to the spirit of Viserys? I thought you said Viserys went into Viserion earlier in the stream.

[@romease86]

Did those fingerlike plants, forbidden to slaves, help create dragon bonds?

[@romease86]

The ghost grass in Ashai is where spirits of the damned go so silk grass might be where upper class dragon riders or dragon bonded go. I think this is why he was forced to kill her. Not because of the laws per se but some effect of the grass. Juxtaposing the story of his death against this makes it obvious eating the grass was of some import. The grass was not a staple but a garnish-- maybe eaten ritualistically. Also it reminded me of the white worms

[@LamontTruthSeeker-gb8jb]

I don’t think there’s any connection between Aenar and the Doom besides Daenys dreams. House Lannister aquires Brightroar 100 years before Aenar moves house Targaryen to Dragonstone. And Aenar supposedly had slaves too. So the timeline doesn’t work at all. And Aenar didn’t seem to be this big-time abolitionist. In Deep Geek’s explination about the Doom is pretty good imo.

[@DavidLightbringer]

wrong (with all due respect). it says Brightroar came into possession of the Lannisters "in the century before the Doom," not "a century." That century is when most / all of the Valyrian steel would have been sold to Westerosi people; Dragonstone was founded as a Valyrian trading post to access Westeros about a century before the Doom. Crucially, Aenar took over Dragonstone twelve years before the Doom, so the timing could absolutely line up. Plus, we have the Valyrian prophecy of Lannister gold bringing the doom of man, which implies Lannister gold is involved in the Doom. And as for Aenar's "slaves," We can assume they became the small folk of Dragonstone, because we never hear about slaves on Dragonstone and it is outlawed by all Westerosi law and custom. So what he did was to save his household servants, tutors, etc etc according the Roman style slavery system the Valyrians seem to have had along with the "feeding people to the mines" slavery. If Aenar has used slaves to, say, mine Dragonstone, we'd have heard of that. there's also a ton more evidence for the theory which you can find in my video called The Doom Was an Inside job, if you're interested. I've watched IDGs video but disagree with his conclusion. It wasn't the maesters.

[@LamontTruthSeeker-gb8jb]

Ok i disagree about the timing but I gotta respect your opinion on that. In the century before the Doom is a good catch. But the Valyrians set up Dragonstone 200 years before the Doom not 100 years. The selling of Valyrian steel is mentioned when the Free-Hold itself is in posession of Dragonstone before Aenar arrives. We don’t ever hear about house Targaryen being tied to any of the Valyrian technology aside from Blackfire and Dark Sister. Like no house that owns Valyrian steel shouts out Aenar ever. I’m not sure what you mean when you say Aenar’s slaves became the smallfolk. The smallfolk say that the Cannibal made its lair even before the Targaryens got there. There were certainly smallfolk there before house Targaryen. And i’ll just say once Aenar gets to Dragonstone we don’t hear about him interacting with the Free-Hold like that anymore. The maesters are the ones interacting with the Free-Hold by that point imo. The maesters have access to the Lannister gold. The maesters have access to the Free-Hold.

[@LamontTruthSeeker-gb8jb]

Is slavery really frowned upon more so than incest in Westeros? Why than would House Targaryen concern themselves if the Westerosi cared about them having slaves when House Targaryen clearly didn’t concern themselves at all if the Westerosi cared about them practicing incest? I’m thinking that had Aenar freed his slaves then those slaves probably reacted the same way the ones that Daenerys freed reacted to their being free. I think Aenar’s slaves probably wanted to stay with House Targaryen.

[@Simon-py2uj]

Where do you get your world of westeros artwork from?

[@memekadecommunist460]

didn't know there was 4 hours of theory for a csgo skin

[@Simon-py2uj]

Viseryion - Victarion

[@billwright4234]

I feel like gogosos was more like what Japan was doing during ww2 I think mainly to the Chinese butni think it was called like unti

[@billwright4234]

I think it was called like unit 731 and they did worse stuff experiment wise than the naz!$ did which is absolutely crazy

[@wadas9042]

Its valyria not valeria

[@dannybeaudrot8411]

4 legs grrm is gonna flip wtf ho2 can u put thar picture of sheep stealer up

[@darknymbus7806]

U dont need to be close to the dragon for sorcery and blood magic works in different ways than your traditional merlin magic and why does everything need some detailed explanation its fantasy just enjoy the story

[@DavidLightbringer]

are you lost?

[@magnusnilsson1962]

Yay!

[@Ethanoftheweekday]

I think it’s not necessarily third reich but more like the Japan empire during Ww2 but more specifically unit 737 And it’s stuff.

[@DavidLightbringer]

gogossos is pulled directly from Nazi concentration camps man

[@Ethanoftheweekday]

@@DavidLightbringer oh fair enough I just thought it was more online with the 737 stuff because of the human torture and experimentation there. I’m more familiar with that than the experimentations that happened in the concentration camps sadly

[@ironreed2654]

36:30 That sounds like the Black Númenóreans