.357 Magnum vs .44 Magnum Lever Actions

[@BrockOBauma]

I wonder how they would compare shooting through leather jacket skin, pork chop pectorals, pork ribs, a bag of oranges to simulate lung tissue, pork ribs on the back, and backed up by the new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop.

[@notaturkey2607]

"You be the judge." ~Paul Harrell

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

If only we could have someone "shoot groceries" for science!

[@MrNpc81]

You forgot the 4 layers of tshirt!

[@eddavis5938]

Bhahaha! 😂🤣😂

[@uppastdawn7627]

But would it be “enough difference to MAKE a difference?”

[@crazy4dariver]

15 years ago I went to Alaska to see an old friend that became a guide. He told me to leave my guns at home, he would take care of me. For two weeks we hunted and fished. It was a blast. One of his "back up rifles" was was a Marlin 1894 44mag / 44spl. Wow! He past from cancer last year and I got a call from my local FFL guys. "Come get your Rifles. Trapper left you the 44, the 22 and his 308"

[@Blackmist213]

Ummm do you normally bring your guns when going to visit friends out of state or am I the only one who thinks that's odd. lol

[@harryniedecken5321]

​@@Blackmist213 For visiting a friend in Alaska, especially a guide, this would be completely normal. No different than bringing along some fishing gear and a jacket.

[@elliottpeabody1287]

@@Blackmist213 You're the only one.

[@Eggmayor]

​​@@Blackmist213its fucking Alaska, if you go there you are about to get ambushed by 150 polar bears or some shit, better have a gun 😂

[@youngprofessor]

Sorry for your loss. Sounds like a great friend!

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Paul Harrell would be proud.

[@chriskoort5717]

You be the judge?

[@papaswanson]

I came here looking for Paul Harrell comments. He'd be proud

[@24roughing76]

Chris is what you'd call a "professional"...

[@sebastianbrown4277]

@@24roughing76 I was looking for this haha

[@chrisjimenez1062]

Now is that enough difference to make a difference?

[@mattbrown5511]

Still saving for the Henry in .357. It will compliment my 686 nicely. Well done sir.

[@larrykoroush6995]

I love mine. It is very accurate

[@NothMeeh]

I have the 686 6 inch 7 shot. Love it.

[@treedoor]

Just got my own Henry in 357 a couple weeks ago, and it's awesome. Shoots dead on. After buying it I immediately felt an emptiness on my hip where a revolver would go ☹

[@daveberube997]

Same here. Have the 686, colt king cobra, and now the Henry.

[@bobvedder2451]

One gun that is often used up here in Alaska is the 45/70 lever gun. It works well against our big critters.

[@sethmullins8346]

.45-70 is way bigger than .44 and .357. I’d trust a .357 to take a deer though

[@ueg-zm8wf]

try on Bigfoot !!!

[@stonegiant4]

This guy just flexing his 10 whole boxes of ammo!

[@steverussell6642]

Show off

[@Glasshopper]

No he is showing off his ability to niggle.

[@mojoman2001]

He got a lot of mileage out of that ammo.

[@jdmsir231]

😂😂

[@pauliexcluded1]

@Aniwayas Song KZbin search "chris rock bullet control"

[@phongdo8070]

When the food network was actually good, there was a show called good eats by alton brown. You're the gun version of him.

[@LuckyGunner]

Thanks man, Alton Brown has been an important influence.

[@vitaly6312]

@@LuckyGunner maybe more camera shots with you opening the cabinet or refrigerator (or maybe gun safe?).

[@ruddyff]

Best way to describe it

[@ianmcmahon8589]

The show actually did a comeback, though that may have been partially derailed by Covid. You can find the first of the new series on KZbin.

[@mattioli13]

Wow...yeah, I've never really noticed before but he does keep a similar cadence in the dialog..... Alton is one of the few TV personalities to really indulge in the science of cooking, whereas it's fairly common in the firearms world. Bonus facts..... Alton is a gun guy.... there are photos of him shooting a SCAR floating around the web, not sure if he owns it or not....

[@raitchison]

.357 lever gun is my next gun purchase. The choice of caliber is easy for me because we already have a .38 revolver in the household.

[@uscgsemperparatus6472]

Excellent choice. Best of both worlds. Outstanding mussle velocity.

[@slypperyfox]

I bought a Henry in 357MAG to pair up with my 357 revolvers. Sweet shooter.

[@slypperyfox]

@@Robnord1 Henry's package insert recommends 38 SPCL of minimal 158gr bullet. I haven't tried 38 in my Henry yet.

[@alfonsomunoz4424]

Been wanting to get one too.

[@JimmyEatDirt]

I cant recommend .357 enough. The ability to switch between .38sp and .357 at any time based on ammo availability is a huge selling point for me. I picked up a .357 all-weather and took a few rabbits at ranges I wouldn't trust a .22 to be reliable at (SOLID, NOT HOLLOW POINT). It is also the gun I taught a boy from California to shoot with, low recoil, fairly accurate. I also lent it to a friend to hunt with in Iowa and with a hollow point he did a clean heart shot at 120 yards. I love my henry, and it takes the number one spot on my list of preparedness guns for the likely future where "assault weapons" are banned again.

[@HonestOutlawReviews]

great video man!

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

Your videos aren't so bad either!

[@borkwoof696]

@Korbyn Raiden tf is wrong with you

[@stevenkennedy4130]

@@ChrisB-zz8dh Agreed!

[@ctubridy]

I do business data analysis and visualization for a living, and even though that’s not your main forte - the cleanliness and presentation of your charts is phenomenal. Bonus points for usage of color, highlighting key data points, and labeling.

[@azvoltmanphoenix446]

Damn Chris.... you raised the bar for testing. All my questions answered. Incredible amount of work went into this vid. Thank you so much .......

[@leemitchum7498]

You are extremely thorough. Next level data compared to anyone on KZbin that I have seen. Great job thank you

[@bernardknolle4792]

I just want to say that it is so cool to have a gun channel with a intelligent host that understands science and speaks carefully and accurate. Thank you so much!!

[@lazaruslazuli6130]

I have a Rossi/Puma 20" barrel 1892 lever-action in .357. Its capacity is 10+1 with .357, and 12+1 with .38 Special. Its fun to shoot and an excellent companion to my S&W .357 revolver with a 6" barrel. I like having the same ammo for both. There is a definite recoil difference between 110-grain and 180-grain in both firearms. Thanks for the informative and concise video.

[@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus]

The level of quality of this video is outstanding. Surprised to find such a thorough and well thought out ballistics video on KZbin. This is quickly becoming my favorite firearms channel. Also, I went with the .44! Wish me luck this fall

[@Salieri47]

If you haven't watched already, check out Paul Harrell's channel.

[@dalekessler5003]

Great comparison!! I’m a huge fan of Henry .357 levers, all around practical

[@dirtfarmer7472]

I have a Marlin 1895 .38/.357 Magnum. Same difference

[@ElainesDomain]

@@dirtfarmer7472 You likely have a smoother action. Nice rifle.

[@dirtfarmer7472]

@@ElainesDomain I’ve had a little bit of work done to it & it works nicely.

[@dave-d-grunt]

@@dirtfarmer7472better rifle

[@donb3525]

Excellent testing technique. But having owned both a .357 and .44 mag rifle, I have gone to my absolute favorite handgun cartridge, the .41 mag thanks to Henry bringing out a decent rifle.

[@rodglen7071]

How's the availability and price of .41 compared to the other two? (I understand this is a year later)

[@nicholaspetre1]

@@rodglen7071 oh that is a very good question!!!

[@dukenukem69]

​@@rodglen7071more expensive and less available. Worthless round

[@rodglen7071]

@@dukenukem69 What I figured. I don't recall ever seeing it on any store shelf.

[@thinktwicespeakonce482]

I have been asking myself this question for a year now. Thanks for covering this.

[@drenk7]

A very well done and objective analysis. I am just partial to the .44 magnum. I like the energy of the cartridge. I also started reloading due to the cost. Now I reload 3 pistol calibers and 3 rifle calibers. I have two Ruger revolvers and a Browning lever action rifle in 44 magnum. I max out the rifle loads because I can tolerate the recoil. The same load in my 4” Ruger is tough. I would only soot six . But as a reloader I can adjust my pistol loads to what allows me to shoot more. I truly enjoy your work. Thank You.

[@sethmullins8346]

The main reason I am buying a .357 over a .44 or .45 lever action is because I EDC a .357 and I would like to have the ability to share ammo. Mostly for fantasy prepped kinds of reasons, it probably will never matter but it’s cool to think.

[@CorePathway]

You could see that gel block jumping with the .44

[@fredtaylor9792]

​@Seth Mullins That's exactly why I'm going with the 44mag. My dad left me his colt 44mag with thousands of rounds of reloads and I want to share ammo and not run that much throb the handgun. I also have a .357 but not that much ammo. Just goes to show both rounds are great rounds. If given the choice to be shot by either, I'm pretty sure both you and I wouldn't have a preference. Lol

[@DrawntoAdventure]

Kudos! This video manages to be both (highly) entertaining and informative. I particularly liked the charts showing at what range the rifle performance matched the pistol’s muzzle energy. Then you mentioned the fact that one could economize by shooting .38 Special in the .357 or .44 Special in the .44 Magnum and that made me think a “Part 2” video - showing a performance comparison (energy and expansion) of the .38 Special and .44 Special from the rifles to the magnums from the pistols - might be an equally interesting follow-on.

[@Mrgunsngear]

solid data

[@Ace-dn3id]

As is his beard

[@starshiplazyboy475]

@@Ace-dn3id It is impressive.

[@f.b.i5639]

@@Ace-dn3id that was the first thing i noticed. Damn thick beard he got there 😂😂

[@opassaportemilionario]

*MOM SHOOTING 357 MAGNUM* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvPm3mDhax1n9k

[@michaelnorman9962]

Definitely! Outstanding video.

[@chlebowg]

I've got the middle magnum. Using a Marlin 1894S in .41 mag since 89' and love it.

[@billmccullough777]

Love the 41 mag, but $$$!

[@leveticus5721]

.357 gun: It’s not the size of the bullet, it’s how accurate you shoot it. .44 gun: BIG BULLET ENERGY!!!!

[@Joshua_N-A]

So what's .454 Casull gonna be?

[@mattrickard3716]

@@Joshua_N-A Whatever it is, it's probably going to be a Mandingo quote.

[@doebuck9708]

The amount of time put into making this vid is GREATLY appreciated.

[@tangero3462]

Solid stuff, and I'm excited to see the rest of the series. I think the 357 wins out for me just for the commonality of ammo with my revolvers. This isn't an end-of-days sort of choice, just a consideration with ordering cases of ammo, and it's just cheaper to boot.

[@manuelruvalcaba5309]

Tangero, I believe your right. Ammo is expensive but .357 is readily available. If I can't feed my family with .357 when I have to then any heavier loads are out of the question.

[@saoirse5308]

Thanks for doing this series. We are getting older and a medication my wife has to take makes her left hand shake. She has always been a vary good shot rifle or pistol. Testing we found the shake does affect her pistol shooting (Now she only shoots a tiny bit better than me instead of a lot) but not Rifle. I have been thinking about changing up her home defense Ruger SP 101 .357 for a .357 lever gun for that reason. . . . Your timing is perfect 👍

[@saoirse5308]

@@otdj3794 Thanks, it's really about her mind set. She used to put all 5 into an orange at 20 feet with that 2 1/4" barrel, now she puts them in a cantaloupe. . . . still better then I ever was, but she has lost confidence. Her Rifle shooting is still spot on, pulling back on the foregrip seems to negate the shake. She has an AR but it's not her thing. I'm also building a .300 Blackout AR pistol to see if that might work for her.

[@saoirse5308]

@Random Pickle Dude, like my wife would spend her own money on a gun 🙄 You're not married are you (Rhetorical) I hike 10 x as much as my wife, yet she owns like 20 pairs of boots and I own 3. Get married you'll understand. . . Lastly she is a better pistol shot, a natural, just a joy to watch her shoot. . . . doesn't mean she knows a 300 BLK from a 300 Weatherby Mag. or cares it just means she shoots well. Really my dude. . . . derrrrr

[@jazzman5598]

Saoirse So true.....smh

[@herbderbler1585]

Good choice. You'll never regret getting a .357 lever gun. Aside from being a good home defense tool, they're just a blast to shoot and it sounds like your wife would be a surgeon with it.

[@Whittiercruising]

@@saoirse5308 dude you’re awesome 😎

[@balazsbuza5610]

Man, the amount of effort you've clearly put in this single video, and the quality you made it to is just beautiful. Respect!

[@joehatton729]

"Of course ammo availability is extremely limited right now and that is as true for me as for anyone else." - Presenter and Content Editor of a company that sells ammo in 2020

[@farstrider79]

I'm sure he's got all the 9mm he wants to shoot, they seem to always have something in stock. But some ammo just doesn't exist right now for anyone.

[@judgestacker9472]

Production is the problem right now so as an ammo reseller, they have to resell all they get in or there is no profits.

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

Do you reckon that corona played any part in this recent ammo issue?

[@chrisc2920]

@@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg it caused the issue

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg try riots and folk scared the crap out of them.💩

[@stvargas69]

Thanks for your comparison video. As the drag race guys say, theres no replacement for displacement. Bigger the better.

[@ajeffw]

I had watched this video close to when it came out, and just watched it again now. I honestly believe that the presentation and information you provide is close to the quality that Paul Harrell was at. I have watched both of you for many years and have been enlightened and entertained with factual studies and reasonable conclusions. I appreciate what you do and look forward to more content. I hope you find my opinion complimentary and not simply comparing you and Paul. You do you and I will continue following.

[@jeramyw]

I wonder how many ancient caliber lever actions are being put back to use during these times. 25-20, 32-20, 38-40, and 44-40 will kill ya no matter the decade or century.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

*group of informed citizens riot at a guys house* *guy pulls out his ol 1873 in .38-40* "Alright, good news people I only have three rounds for this thing. Bad news for three of you though"

[@jeramyw]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz "1892 with 2 rounds... for now"

[@keithgraham9547]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Get the bad guys to line up, bad news for maybe nine of them.

[@jeramyw]

@@keithgraham9547 Yeah the factory ammo doesn't wanna expand sometimes.

[@ChristofHarper]

or more to the point- 32 savage, 35 savage, and other "30-30" type calibers.

[@DJ-tn9zk]

Guy speaks alot of knowledge and between him and a few others you can make knowledgeable decisions, appreciate the time and effort

[@advocacyrl8017]

This is an amazing video; A LOT of work went into this. Thank you for taking the time to make this.

[@mchrome3366]

If I want to get the straight no nonsense facts on ballistics and firearms I know to watch your channel. Very well done. Thanks

[@Mpeterson1286]

It's nice to see the handgun and rifle gel shots next to each other. Gives an idea of 100yd-ish hunting distance performance from the rifle.

[@ScandiacusPrime]

Great presentation. I hunt deer in Michigan with a Marlin 1894C in 357 and have been pleased with the performance (158gr XTP/FP handloaded to 1750 FPS MV). I haven't hunted with a 44 to compare, but it's been my observation that deer hit with the 357 react similarly and run a similar distance to deer hit in the same place with a hard cast, non-expanding 12 gauge slug (which I used to hunt with). I'm NOT AT ALL suggesting that a 357 has anywhere close to the terminal performance potential of a 12 gauge, particularly the more common hollow point slugs, but that's been my observation comparing those two particular loads in their effect on actual deer.

[@David-rx2to]

I plan to do a lot of extended camping in bear country. I have a 357 handgun for the backpack when I'm hiking from my base camp but I want to get a self defense gun for in camp. I'm thinking of the Henry 357 X so I only need to get one kind of ammo, but I'm also leaning towards a shotgun. What hits with more energy, a shotgun with 00 buck or slugs, or a 357 out of the Henry? Which is a better bear defense tool? I'm not a hunter, I'm just worried about bears!

[@rickymcdaniel7971]

@@David-rx2to I absolutely LOVE my Marlin 1894c .357 mag. and wouldn't hesitate to use it for defense against black bears. That being said, from a practical standpoint, I'm sure that a properly loaded 12 gauge is more likely to stop the threat more efficiently.

[@calebwhite1999]

Loving this series. I am really looking forward to the .30-30 episode.

[@donwallace7354]

"Be sure to drink your ovaltine" - Fantastic lever gun reference, especially coming into holiday movie season! FWIW, I've split the difference, and bought my Henry Big Boy Steel in .41 magnum, and have the .41 revolver to go with it. Never got into the .44.

[@alphagt62]

I friend of mine has several 41 Mags, and he also just got the Henry Big Boy in 41. We shot it yesterday with some home loads he made, a beautiful and slick operating rifle! I know in pistols, I prefer a 41 over a 44 any day, much more manageable.

[@danielmiller2886]

"A crummy commercial?!" LOL

[@shobudski6776]

I never liked .44 actually .43 magnums either. Love my .41 mags

[@markholloway8190]

@@alphagt62 i hand load .41 and make a .41 special load for my wife and kids, i use 44 special data

[@alphagt62]

Mark Holloway that’s good to know, there’s not much data for 41. My buddy likes to load them mild, we like hitting the gongs, and not stinging our hands.

[@rroe86]

Probably the best video you've made. This is the kind of content we need more of.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great stuff. In our fam, deer have been harvested by a 44 magnum most every year since the 90s. This is the first year in over a decade that we didn't use a 44 magnum to harvest a deer. We are bug proponents of the 44 magnum in a rifle as well as revolver. Thanks for the outstanding content & consideration. Appreciate the quality, character & attitude of presentation.

[@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor]

For me, in my current situation, I'll go with the .357. That's only because that's what I have at the moment. I do plan on purchasing a 44 magnum, just not right now.

[@uscgsemperparatus6472]

Same here. Great round. Highly effective 👍

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

My first deer harvest was with a scoped 6" revolver at 49 yards (laser range finder confirmed distance), and this last winter my R92 lever action in 357 mag took my second deer. This year I will hunt with my 44mag Virginian Dragoon and hope to fill the freezer again! (Ohio)

[@GunFunZS]

Any auto calibers? There's no substitute for instant follow ups?

[@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor]

@@GunFunZS Yes, I have 9mm. I was commenting on the two magnum rounds.

[@GunFunZS]

@@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor just curious. If it's for fun rather than practical, which is your situation, there's no downside to getting what ever makes you smile. Casting and reloading really make auto pistol and revolver calibers fun too! You get to shoot so much more, and exactly what you like.

[@Cyotis]

Talking about ammo price, 44 Special and Magnum are very close in price and 44 Special is tough to find. 38 Special is way cheaper than Magnum and is very common. So in terms of ammo price and the ability to shoot often, 357 wins that game.

[@ChristofHarper]

my experience in general (non panic) is that .357 is only a few cents more than .38 ...not enough to worry about as the difference between retailers or shipping charges is more than the CPR difference. .44 special, you are correct, though. both calibers really shine if you reload or handload. In "common market" times, you are better off with a 9mm revolver than a .38 special revolver! (I'm going to miss the days of 9mm at 13 cents each) But I can (noting that I stocked up on primers) relaod .32 magnum for less than the cost of CCI .22LR, and can usually reload .38 special for about the cost of CCI .22LR, but .44 is pushing that "9mm ammo" cost.

[@roentgen571]

And .38 Special is no joke, especially out these rifle-length barrels. Not like .357, but not weak sauce, either.

[@cristianespinal9917]

The .44 is definitely a reloader's game. It's not versatile at all if you rely on the factory because most factory magnum is balls-to-the-wall, and most factory special is underpowered trash for the same price or more than the magnums. I've bought 4 boxes of ammo just to get a feel for it based on factory loads. Everything else has been handloaded with the cheapest being about 24¢/round and the most expensive being about 54¢/round. And that's for full-on magnum loads. If I loaded light .44 special loads, I could get it down to about 20¢. People who cast their own bullets can do even better than that.

[@jeffumbach]

Yes, .44 special is so rare that I have to load my own. Starline sells the brass and I load with Berry's 220gr bullets. As far as as factory loads most .357 and .44 magnum factory loads I've tried are equivalent to my lighter hand loads that I'll happily shoot through my revolvers but when I assemble some full power loads I only put them in a rifle as the recoil in a pistol goes quite a bit past feeling "fun" and into "my wrist!"

[@RustyOpel]

Every time I click on LGs website and select 38 Spl. it says "nope".

[@glockparaastra]

Great video. Thanks for the research. I love 357Mag. Great in a handgun, even better in a lever action. Very accurate too.

[@arvilmogensen1945]

I found this video totally worth the time to watch. Lots of information for anyone thinking of buying any “Pistol Caliber” ammunition.

[@huntervkiller]

The quality of these videos is astounding. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@mike.thomas]

Great analysis with hard numbers and lots of interesting comparisons. Very timely since I’ve been toying with getting a Henry at some point, and have puzzled between .357/.44. Mine will strictly be a plinker, so after watching this I feel good about my prior lean toward .357.

[@altrujillo3566]

A very thorough and objective review - probably the best cartridge / firearm review I've ever seen. I like how you transitioned from the firing range to the room in your home to go over your findings. This made it all clear without outside distractions (ie. others shooting on the range). I'm subscribing to your channel.

[@InGratitudeIam]

And then there's "God's Cartridge." THE .45 Colt. :))) It gets a tremendous amount of work done at lower pressures. Read John Taffin's writings on this. I really like the .357 for limited/short range use. I agree, for longer tasks, a real rifle round is called for. Thanks for taking the time, Chris.

[@paulseebach5978]

I love my .45 Colt lever and SA revolver. All though, I love all my things that go bang. But I do need a .357 to go with my GP100.

[@gui-texzan7477]

I dunno, a lead casted 240gr .45 LC can be hopped-up enough to kill a T-Rex on PCP. ✌️

[@ANSELAbitsxb]

Americans working temporarily with the French Intelligence Service (DGSE, the Directorate-General for External Security - Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure) on several cases linked to US interests, it was noted that the 9mm HPs used by the French took between 9 and 14 hits to bring down armed combatants with no body armor and 72% of the time, the combatants who were shot multiple times with 9mm didn't perish. When US personnel fired their sidearms (restricted by the French to revolvers), in this case, the .357 Magnum S&W Revolver with 125 gn. JHP or 158 gn. Hardcast, only one to (rarely) three rounds per enemy combatant was sufficient with a 69% fatality rate. For a comparison, look at the US-based police shootings available for public review to see a direct correlation of this data and comments like the one from Name, below. 9mm, for all its ratings and hype (a great deal of which is financially motivated), is not at all as reliable at stopping combatants as the .357 Magnum. Anyone with more experience than just a few gunfights knows two things: Revolvers are far more reliable than even the very best semi-auto, and that 9mm is not as effective as .357 Magnum. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/27/upshot/deadly-bullets-guns.html Based on the stats 45 is overrated

[@eddieb1766]

Many folks don't appreciate 45 Colt because they don't own one. Once you do, you'll get it.

[@breckfreeride]

JMB... Gotta have a .4+ or it ain't worth a damn

[@R_K_S2401]

Thanks for all the testing, especially the velocities and gel tests with these lever gats.

[@randy9988]

Greatly appreciate your thorough and knowledgeable reviews here Chris. I’ve been pondering which, if either, of my 357 and 44 lever actions to keep or part with, and your review was just spot on with objective information to consider. With long owned firearms, especially pistol caliber carbines, sentimentality often obscures my decision making. As well as compatibility and shootability with four inch revolvers in both calibers. After forty years of shooting service caliber handguns and shotguns, my right hand and wrist / forearm are growing increasingly sensitive to heavy recoil. As always, I appreciate your thoughtful analysis.

[@eg6817]

I really like this lever series. Lever guns are a bit obsolete; it can be hard to find good quality reviews and information about them. These videos provide both! Keep it up!

[@chrisc2920]

Depends on the situation honestly

[@mikehughesoutdoors2774]

I opted for between the two of them. Reasoning is along story but I fell in love with the.41 mag. It’s a sweet cartridge.

[@IdeaCalledFreedom]

Dude, this was A LOT of work! Holy cow, thanks for doing all that! Great video

[@davidknoke6554]

Most thorough comparison I've seen of these two rounds. Well done.

[@sboy1955]

LGA is where I prefer buying my ammo, this guy and his excellent lessons are why.

[@blackbirdpie217]

Drop is directly associated with speed; Drop occurs independent of forward velocity, if you drop a bullet right off the table it will hit the ground at the same time as one moving 2,000 fps downrange. So a heavy bullet drops faster only because it is going slower taking more time to get to the target, it has had more time to fall. Convergence is related to trajectory.

[@craigfisher2367]

You just made me understand what my physics teacher couldn’t

[@johnbesharian9965]

@@craigfisher2367, LOL! I suffer from what I call, "Math-O-Phobia" which I define as "The fear of all sums".

[@bermchasin]

this is not actually true with ballistics. Bullet drop is directly related to speed, BUT speed is related to drag, which is related to the BC, and its inertia. A heavier bullet with a smaller ballistic coefficient will drop less than a light bullet with poor aerodymanics.

[@russellkeeling9712]

When you start getting into this there are a lot of things to consider. You are correct in what you say but physics also points out that the faster a projectile leaves the muzzle the faster it slows down. The mass of the bullet must be considered because it retains energy retaining velocity longer. Cross section of the bullet is a factor because the air exerts 80 times more force on the bullet than gravity does. This is why magnum rifles are so good for long range. A high velocity, heavy mass, means lots of energy at a long range.

[@FurkanCemTurfanda]

@@craigfisher2367 He is completely wrong though.

[@d33b33]

Very cool to see what we suspected confirmed in measurements. I wish the .357 Maximum was a succes, but I never found a rifle chambered for it, nor the brass. Excellent video.

[@LeftThumbBreak]

I love the 44 mag, but 38 special is far cheaper and more available that 44 special. If it's a big game gun, for sure 44 but otherwise, you'll probably shoot the gun a lot more if you buy the 357. Best answer is to have both.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

.357 mag would be perfect for deer at short to short/mid range, at or below 150 yards. Great brush carbine

[@TheWolfsnack]

...my best answer is 45 Colt.....

[@timlong1462]

@@sleeper.simulant7327why would someone choose a carbine for deer hunting over a 30-30? I think 30-30 is cheaper and more available.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@timlong1462 states/areas that have straight wall limitations. 30/30 is a bottleneck cartridge and therefore not legal in those areas

[@timlong1462]

@@sleeper.simulant7327ok makes sense. I've never lived somewhere that has those, was completely unaware. Thanks.

[@johnn.7806]

I love how you obtained your data and also interoperated it, you didn't see the higher numbers and immediately claim it was better, but went over other possible explanations. Great video would love to see more in this style, maybe a series? That is when ammo prices lower a bit.

[@Definitelynottheatf]

Stuff like this is why I got into reloading. Alot of trial and error bring you different rounds with different purposes at a fraction of the price

[@arcticfox6808]

As a velocity junkie, I found all this data extremely satisfying.

[@garyh1449]

My preference is to shoot about 2" high at 100 yards instead of dead on, that way I get a little more distance and still be in the kill zone when hunting.

[@atomicant4304]

Yes we need this now more than ever hahaha

[@stevenstoll2016]

Absolutely love how things are explained technically with full data to support. Great job.

[@turk5832]

The mark of a super smart person is one who can explain complex scenarios that dummies like myself can understand!

[@QuietMikeW]

Great report, I can’t believe that 50% velocity increase!

[@oaksparoakspar3144]

Great information, but a flawed premise. No one wants to know whether to get the .357 or the .44 lever. They want to know which one to get first if they can't afford them both at the same time.

[@16ft2in]

Well actually... Which can we find a matching revolver and bulk ammo/ reloading components quantity for.

[@borkwoof696]

A. No, pretty sure that doesn’t apply to everybody B. That question is also answered in the video

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

If you reload, or cast bullets, the 357/38 will be cheapest and get the most out of your lead.

[@paulwhite9242]

Actually I kinda want to get 2 more 357 lever guns--one for each of my kids. Just...money....because I have kids....

[@chuckaddison5134]

Also 45 long colt/454 Casull/460 S&W (Don't think that one exists yet).

[@utdesertghost199]

Curious to know how a non expanding bullet like the Lehigh defense, extreme defense bullets perform through the rifle. Obviously the expansion test would not tell much as it is the temporary and permanent wound channel as well as penetration that would show it's potential stopping power.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

He explained it very well in the video - handgun cartridges simply do not achieve sufficient velocity to reliably achieve a wounding effect from temporary cavitation. If this is your goal, then you are barking up the wrong tree and should be looking at rifles that fire true rifle cartridges.

[@000one]

Wow, Just wow. The best comprensive test of these two calibers in a Lever action.I think I’m going with the 30-30, and roll my own. Thank you.

[@CFABN267]

This is exactly how ballistic videos should be. Outstanding.

[@tldnr]

Thank you for all the hard work and the tremendous effort you put into your videos. This is not only very fun to watch, but it’s great info that will help me make a purchase in the future.

[@anthonys239]

I’ve been hunting deer with a 44 for the last 14 years. Haven’t had a deer go more than 20 yards yet! Love me some lever guns🤠

[@johnpravato2739]

He didn't go 20

[@anthonys239]

@john pravato. Lmao!! #didntgo20

[@mennomast1496]

This is a great video. I myself am partial to the .357 but that is probably mostly due to the fact that I have better access to .357 than .44. Overall I love both rounds and the best round is the one you enjoy shooting more. Happy shooting.

[@-kentonwilson]

Really well done. Thoughtful, thorough, succinct. Thank you for the best discussion of these two calibers in both rifle and handgun… bravo, sir!

[@alj.granda8252]

Thankfully ammo availability is finally good. Almost pre covid! Thanks for the test. I love both cartidges!

[@ronbarton6739]

It would be interesting to compare the Underwood/Lehigh Xtreme Defense and Penetrator bullets with measuring the above parameters. Great video!

[@wjbh7442]

Absolutely awesome review. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Just a great mix of scientific information wrapped in an entertaining presentation. Keep it up!

[@carlreeves6108]

I’ve taken deer and hogs with both calibers from rifles, the 44mag drops the animals or very short trail the 357 does the trick but it’s about like using a bow or pistol shot placement, ( as always with any weapon) is crucial. If your hunting or even if your using them for home defense the 44mag is far superior much more like a rifle caliber when it comes to terminal damage and ability to kill.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

I took my first deer at 49 yards, laser range finder confirmed, with a 2x scoped 6" 357. This past winter, I got a deer at 37 yards with my 357 lever action. Honestly the revolver deer ran a shorter distance before bedding down, but the takeaway: 357 has sufficient range and energy to do the job. 👍

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

@Bo Zo Thanks, random person. My position is "357 mag is a capable round", I stated my experience, the range, and the fact that I got full freezers. I therefor proved my statement to be true. Not sure what the point of your comment was...

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

@Bo Zo...good for you? I guess that just proves that the bow is capable too. Honestly, I think you are trying to get a rise out of me, but you're really just helping support my statement. So keep it up!

[@aeis3007]

@Bo Zo So your point is that any hunting gun that is good for bow range is bad and they shouldn't use it? If that is the logic I can kill at 10 yards with a tomahawk does that mean bows are bad at that range?

[@borkwoof696]

@J Freddy it‘s always better to go with a larger caliber for hunting and a heavy for caliber bullet for hunting." No, it‘s not

[@CplMAC1144]

I just picked up the X in .357. I already had a S&W 340PD, so I didn’t want to add another caliber to my already numerous selection, and I figure the .357/.38 ammonia going to end up being less expensive. Great video. Good to see the .357 at 100yds is equivalent to a .44 point blank. I also have a 30-30 Henry brass receiver (H009) so I still have the rifle caliber.

[@swiftbear]

I'm in the same boat, have a GP100, SP101 and S&W Bodyguard .38 so I have tons of .38/.357 ammo around. Will make sense to a .357 lever action gun even though I "want" the .44.

[@topherbec7578]

Impressed with the amount of data compiled with this comparison.

[@masterjedi677]

We love you Chris, you are truly out here doing God’s work.

[@rustlebruxz0013]

I call my Marlin 18" .357 lever gun my "Y2K" gun. It went well with my S&W 686 Plus.

[@andrewharrison5740]

.45 Colt for me! In a good stong action (1892) you can safely shoot ammo that's past .44 Magnum levels. Compare Buffalo Bore offerings as an example. A 250 grain bullet from a .45 Colt fired at 2000 FPS is right around standard .45-70 levels of energy. The real benefit in my opinion is how well the .45 Colt handles light loads. I can load really light cowboy loads that barely tickle if I just want to plink.

[@TheZombieburner]

45 Colt FOR LIFE!!! Fired one, instantly fell in love with it.

[@codycuppes6954]

Excellent video but I am surprised that the traditional 158 grain flat soft point in 357 magnum was not one of the loads chosen.

[@maximog87]

Your videos really brake it down and give the data like no other KZbinr. Thank you.

[@markjohnson206]

Never thought of suppressed 44 special. New rabbit hole here we go....

[@andrewhenley2161]

With headshots, a 38 special lever gun can take the place of a 22lr in most circumstances and even more so suppressed.

[@andrewgates8158]

44 spl lrn bullets or rnfmj

[@forgalzz7]

10:00 Wow, you know it's bad times when a ammo shop has to save four bullets ...

[@chrisbonnett6783]

This is the best presentation I've ever seen on lever-action carbines, by far. I shoot the 158g JSP in my lever 357. It has enough velocity to slightly expand and gets decent penetrations. Great for deer hunting in brush country. BTW, Never use JSP in a revolver as I saw demonstrated here.

[@edgarrodriguez-xs5wv]

158 is my rifle's favorite too

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@Bo Zo I found that (most) 357 hollow points expanded too fast out of a carbine. They're more suited (designed) as anti-personnel pistol rounds.

[@casejasnoch2533]

@@chrisbonnett6783 what 158 gr soft points do you like for deer?

[@hutehund9519]

Complete, concise, and valuable information. Another great video!

[@marvinbrock960]

“Hydrostatic shock” is definitely a tricky thing to model or replicate with so many variables.. great video. 👍🏻

[@douglashill3967]

Good show! What a great, in-depth, informative video. I think I’m leaning toward the .44. Hard hitting when you need it but it can be softened for smaller statured shooters with the specials.

[@Oshidwhaddup]

I'm so excited for this series. I've always loved the way you do your series especially the pocket gun so I'm excited to see that this one is going to be great!

[@georgewashington7312]

357 because there's more manufacturers domestic and abroad, there's more load data to develop your own, less recoil, I could go on, and on, and on!

[@Bob5mith]

Also, 38 is actually cheaper. 44 Special is sometimes more expensive than 44 Mag.

[@aggrodkreg4321]

@@Bob5mith how does that work? Not being sarcastic, I'm actually asking how .44 Special can be more expensive than its more powerful counterpart.

[@americanmilitiaman88]

@@aggrodkreg4321 mostly because companies dont manufacture it year round like 9mm or 38. They do a short run on it and thats it Although 44 special is great for reloading cause it is cost effective.

[@Bob5mith]

@@aggrodkreg4321 Just supply and demand. 44 Special isn't nearly as popular as 38 Special. People buy and shoot boatloads of 38, probably more than 357, but 44 special not so much.

[@aggrodkreg4321]

Makes sense. Thanks to both of you. I'm not much of a wheel gun guy, so I'm not aware of the availability of .44 Special.

[@patmaguire3959]

The way the velocities of both cartridges fell off beyond 100 yards reminded me of why WW2 Germany developed the Assault rifle after their submachineguns proved inadequate at longer ranges in Crete. A second thing this video brought to mind was that 44 magnum was the only pistol caliber to smash a V-8 engine block at the Detroit police demo range.

[@manningjackson2723]

Great video mate, well done. The last 2 minutes were the most informative to me. Keep up the great work 👍

[@kenhelmers2603]

Informative and enjoyable! Thanks :) P.S. I'd luv to see the .327 Fed Mag and the .41 Rem Mag added to this!

[@yourdead408]

"Which Caliber is better?" *Expects anecdotes and speculation* *Gets a literal play-by-play of Caliber Scrutiny*

[@magritteetmoncouteau]

This is a Paul Harrell level of testing. Sweet video, thanks.

[@chrisb7528]

Without the meat target and for those of you that don't know......

[@Pac2Man1022]

Thank you, Sir. A fabulous analysis, as usual. I know that you are The Lucky Gunner, but we are lucky to have the privilege of you sharing your time, energy and knowledge with us. Sincerely, The Italian Leprechaun

[@woli6872]

What a great video! The way how testing and comparing should be. Fair and honest with the conclusions. Well done.