Ludohistory and OSP Play Stray Gods (Part 2)

[@okaminodin4321]

Blue: "I'd say deal..." Red: "I'd say fight" I love it when their choices are color coordinated

[@raptorus7773]

"i never ate anyone... except Theseus, but he was a bellend" I'm *dying*

[@christopherrobinhood9802]

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[@treyslider6954]

Re: Aphrodite's Party I understand the game is touching on some heavy topics, so please keep in mind I'm talking about the *specific, somewhat fantastical example here* and not *the broader issues it is talking about* I totally understand Aphrodite's attempts to escape her bad memories, but its telling that none of the idols, even the ones who want her to stop, don't even stop and think about the fact that Aphrodite has literally sacrificed 4-5 mortal lives (and was planning to sacrifice Venus') in order to *temporarily* escape her trauma. Like, suicide is one thing. Finding the kindest person you can and saying "This rock glued to my soul is so bad I am choosing to end my own life rather than keep carrying it. I'm going to glue it to your soul as part of my suicide, so here in 20-ish years you will also die too." is another thing entirely. I will give her the benefit of the doubt on the 1st attempt; she hoped the memories would be less strong in another body, there was hope this would *work* as a permanent solution. the second...I can attribute to a kind of hope. The 3rd and onward? Purely choosing to give her suicide-creating burden to other people, knowing it will kill them, so she can have temporary relief from her pain. Not saying I don't *understand* why she would choose to do it. Just that...this is the worst of both options.

[@nuxus2]

3:48:42 I now want a credit scene that just shows Hermes, Grace, Charon and Freddie having board game night once a week. Truly one of the best timelines

[@csgamer89]

YES! I would LOVE to see this happen in some form or another lol.

[@evaahallows1102]

Red absolutely called it when she pointed out god-mortal romance was liable to leave the mortal dead

[@josh___something]

oof

[@snosibsnob3930]

Luckily you can BECOME to mortal that will be left dead!

[@sparkusclark6176]

OOF

[@dianeinsertlastnamehere7296]

32:58 I can't get over Freddie explaining the plot of Outlander to an eldritch goddess of dark magic

[@Amyliah_Violet]

Same LOL, and then to be hit with Twilight *Chef’s Kiss*

[@kadebrockhausen]

The moment i saw the shy awkward shortstack bookish nerd that is Asterion i knew my bf would desire him carnally

[@nuxus2]

I also love how it seems like, the more musically talented/gifted someone is, the more power they have over/during graces power. Early Apollo shows this by completely stopping it. Appropriate for him. And then Orpheus does it again, I think it's implied that as soon as they meet him he is able to take complete control over the scene because, musically, he is on such a high level he just *takes over* the performance

[@crzylkfx]

Yeah, that seems to be why the music stops when Persephone starts confronting him. And then he full out directs the music himself when he lets Grace ask him a question

[@octo448]

2:15:08 Apollo's "I suppose that depends on your definition of strength, Grace." really nailed me to the wall when I played for the first time. I was so caught off guard by the way he really challenged what I think most people would be thinking (including Grace) at a time like that. It is exceedingly difficult to write characters who feel older than normal humans, because capturing the sense of long lasting wisdom and the kind of insight that would be available to a long lived being, when we don't have anybody like that to base them off of IRL, is HARD. That felt like one of those moments for me- he changed the criteria you view the entire situation through.

[@Patch-lz9yi]

I played through this game, and I'm astounded by how different some of this is. When I saw Medusa, both Freddie and Pan tagged along. Freddie did use the flamethrower at the end of the song, which was awesome. There's just so many differences; it's incredible.

[@Ludohistory]

we stan Freddie

[@rmsgrey]

I believe who comes with you to Medusa depends on your choice at the end of Pan's first song - if you pick one over the other, that's who will tag along for Medusa; if you refuse to choose, they'll both turn up.

[@lockelamora8099]

"The idols will be stars before you know it." This is how you get The Boys, Grace.

[@wertfi908]

Lost in a moment is genuinely my new favourite song, full stop. I love how the visuals show a clam about to open, referencing the birth of Venus, and symbolising the rebirth of her resolve, or her new chance at freedom. As someone who’s been headed down a self destructive path myself, Aphrodites party is easily the most moving scene in the game for me.

[@WD_Gaster66]

The red version is incredible too

[@fidanguliyeva519]

I really really love Apollo's contribution to it, damn you Troy!!

[@LocnessMonster_]

I cried like a baby when they chose the option to have her live. chat was right to say this part was heeeeaaaaavyyy

[@snosibsnob3930]

I did the blue option and while it’s certainly the least emotional path through the song it’s still such an amazing time, especially when you see how happy everybody is by the end.

[@DParkerNunya]

I legit had to stop playing the game and just go sob into a pillow for twenty minutes. Absolutely the best song in the game for me, and I keep going back and listening to it.

[@Evelyn-rb1zj]

No the "why is Persephone so angry at you?" option makes her more of a sympathetic character (especially if you stayed with her and are getting the story from her perspective) she basically managed to escape the underworld at one point because she wanted to see Demeter but before she could she ran into Apollo and Hades caught up with her she asked for help but Apollo stood there and watched Hades drag her back down ...and then Demeter was shot in front of her during the war so Persephone was having a horrific time and then there was the whole "becoming a mobster" thing and I must add that Persephone's old name doesn't fit her nearly as well as Lucas fits Apollo to the point where she straight up says "You can see why I switched names"

[@scigirl5633]

One other thing I would like to add to the pile of “look into me is insane”. When I did my play through, I choose Persephone over Apollo, but i still had the clever trait. I choose the secret ending, but instead of putting Apollo up as the one that could save Medusa, it put of Persephone. I really wonder what would have happened if I never had to make the choice between the two of them (I dont know this for certain, but I think you can fully miss the song where they fight)

[@lida7529]

I'm so glad Red was there to explain the factorial thing about the possible combinations. I's been a while since I did this kind of math too.

[@kadebrockhausen]

In Aphrodite's party, i got the feeling that Eros is tired of this cycle of suffering, and he just wants it to be over. One way or another. The musical number was SO stressful bc I felt like I was walking a tightrope.

[@crzylkfx]

2:26:47 when I did this song it was very different. There was a church and the crowd singing to Aphrodite that they’re there for her

[@charlessaintpe8574]

"Everybody Wants to See You Fall in Love" is a real banger.

[@Naerlyn]

The red option you went for and the green option they picked are SO different they're like night and day, and yet these two are probably my two favorite songs in the entire game. This whole thing is just so good aaaaa

[@kadebrockhausen]

Yes, Everybody was SO GOOD

[@DParkerNunya]

I messed up the Asterion song, and I felt so much better when I got to the Ritual. I learned from that song that the option of "this is their choice" cannot be trusted. And I feel so validated about that now, because you guys played the Ritual in the EXACT same path that I did. Everybody Wants to See You Fall in Love is a fantastic, absolute banger of a song, but getting Lost in a Moment with the Red ending is, in my opinion, the best song in the entire game.

[@RetroAchilles]

4:14:18 SPOILERS BELOW For those wondering, in some of the paths (i chose the charisma and intelligence traits, if it matters) one of the options is for Grace to pass the eidelon off to Freddie to bring her back

[@kildeer]

i think you just have to fully avoid the blue options i went full selfish save freddie options during my playthrough, and it's really sad to see almost every streamer/youtuber take the blue option immediately and lose freddie after romancing her the whole game lol

[@ag-13studios51]

Does it work?

[@uwuthesunset5789]

Typing this the morning after I stayed up til 3am watching this. I didn't choose to ruin my sleep schedule, this happened to me!! absolutely incredible game, amazing experience, will be recommending to people and searching for more playthroughs to watch. :DD

[@thegeekinpink6135]

Same

[@JarethaUlrich]

Hecate is what happens when you give us librarians too much power and then leave us alone.

[@purpleshutin]

Lost in a moment, lost in a song is a song that will never fail to make me cry. I unfortunately chose the option to let Aphrodite go, and i really regret it now. Definitely chosing another option on my next playthrough I finally finished the game and started my next playthrough. I chose red this time instead of green (I chose green first because I figured muses were similar to bards, and bards are known to be charming) and I'm so excited. I'm also romancing pan this time, I want to see his character development.

[@nameless2996]

Gameplay Starts at 10:00 Also I literally just finished part 1 what is this timing.

[@NEWDOG-kf3rk]

I know right

[@joshuaveit7464]

lol, same here

[@Luuuna]

Did you also come straight from OSPs video?

[@MidnightStarfirePro]

Lost in a Moment version of The Ritual with the red ending is my personal favorite version of that song and it's always so emotional but satisfying to see other players experience it. I feel like the green route offers Aphrodite the most empathy, so even though I love other variations it will always hit the hardest for me.

[@embermoto]

this game would be so much fun to play with friends letting them make choices, because you would get a different experience each and every time as different friends would make different choices.

[@alchemicpink2392]

OH NO Persephone is the Vegeta of this story

[@addybredbenner6667]

You guys should do another playthrough with different choices! I really wanted to see the "Save Freddie" ending.

[@fraelikkriil830]

It’s very interesting that the green option of forgiving Athena during the song leads to her most despondent ending.

[@noahdaglio9362]

Asterion: I love my tall witch gf.

[@sapphis_lazuli]

it's giving "my hot witch wife" / "me doing whatever the hell she wants"

[@EvilOverlord1662]

For Aphrodite's song, I panicked at the last moment. Losing her hit especially hard since I was determined for my first playthrough to be my "canon" one. Although, I think having regrets on my defacto playthrough makes it way more interesting!

[@charlessaintpe8574]

I didn't try it the first time because it seemed unlikely that it would lead to getting information, but I like the version of the Medusa song where you try to reflect her gaze in your phone.

[@Evelyn-rb1zj]

Honestly the fact that if you stay with Persephone Freddie still has the "turned into a tree" line but also says something like "and you stayed with her instead of going with Apollo? I don't know Grace she seems a little volatile" really babes, you just warned me about the tree thing and you think I should've followed Apollo?

[@MrDegan2]

It's wild I can point to this and the MCU and say "both of these had Hepheatus (or at least his I universe counterpart) make the atom bomb"

[@crzylkfx]

Which movie said that? I don’t remember him even coming up, but to be fair there’s so many movies spanning so long I could’ve very easily forgotten it

[@MrDegan2]

@@crzylkfx the eternals, specifically Phastos. Being their representation of verious forge gods ect.

[@crzylkfx]

@@MrDegan2 Ah, that explains it. I never saw that one

[@MrDegan2]

@@crzylkfx fair. You're not missing much from it honestly. Just suddenly remembered it during that song

[@crzylkfx]

@@MrDegan2 that’s what I’ve heard, which is a big reason I never bothered watching it

[@polinaignatenkova3634]

I love the choices for Look Into Me it just makes it so fun to listen to. It really feels like an awesome song instead of a stitched together thing it sometimes sounds like

[@suburaarts3092]

"for the book you pervs" XD

[@Buggabooos]

49:28

[@amandahealey2216]

1:45:30 To whoever commented on the fertility goddess not having kids, if you were talking about the original myths, some of them say that Persephone was the mother of Melinoe and maybe Hades's daughter, Macaria. And I believe Red talked about the Zagreus-Persephone connection in her video on Dionysus

[@breadbread4226]

Every damn time I see that party, either playing or watching, the melancholic tone just fucking takes over and I am an emotional mess for a few hours.

[@nickjohnsontx]

Adam begins talking around 4:30.

[@Omniscient87]

Well you really showed Freddie what a bad idea it is to romance Greek Gods.

[@sapphis_lazuli]

red: god/mortal romance is liable to kill the mortal tripod (devs): yes exactly! and now for our next trick we will kill the mortal!

[@justinrandall9550]

Something I found cool is the prophecy did come true. The last muse did die. Calliope died and Grace became a new muse who then saves the idols by forcing them to change and move into the new world out of the shadows. Just a cool idea don't know if thats how its supposed to be read but it makes sense to me.

[@Death-gj2dn]

I’m always surprised when people don’t recognize the cosmic egg. It’s always stood out to me mythologically speaking

[@eury_dice]

oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh ludohistory + osp + stray gods hh someone punch me 😭💗💗💗

[@gohanr1271]

this game would also be a great beginer game. you don't even need to know stereotypical game knowlegde, it's purely navigable by vibes and emotions

[@DParkerNunya]

I tried to be clever for the Minotaur x Hecate song, and I felt horrible by the end because she ended up denying him. All green is a much nicer song.

[@TheFrugalVideoGamer]

When I played through this, I opted for "I have doubts" when trying to convince Aphrodite to live - what resulted was one *hell* of a patter number (that Red I'm sure would love!), followed by "Movin' on's the only way to go"

[@alternimousdimension]

I didn't expect to feel so sorry for Athena. I related with her so much... I expected them to just make her a bad guy but she wasn't. I don't really know much else to say but I didn't even cry the whole game, except with Athena. Perhaps it's being an older sister with too many burdens.

[@rmsgrey]

Athena is absolutely a bad guy - she's deliberately the bad guy, making the hard choices and doing the icky jobs so that the other Idols can enjoy their childlike innocence. She's a textbook Well-Intentioned Extremist - entirely understandable in her goals, but increasingly monstrous in her methods, particularly as things increasingly fell apart on her the harder she tried to hold them together. And, of course, when she's finally forced to question her assumptions and confront her misjudgement, she gets better, but that doesn't mean that she wasn't, right up to that point, the bad guy she thought the Idols needed in order to survive.

[@nicholasmartin6526]

Not me. I punched her face in and felt great about it.

[@QueenInBlack5]

It’s so cool seeing Aphrodite survive, I tried to convince her and failed so I wasn’t sure it was possible

[@Jopsyduck]

I watched a playthrough of this when the detailed diatribe was released. Aphrodite choosing to live was the way I want the story to go.

[@embermoto]

I was in choir and have a B.A. in Classical Civilizations this game feels tailor made for me. thoughts after watching this, I need to get the soundtracks so this game ASAP, must buy game as soon as I have the money. My goals for when I get the game are romance the crap out of Persephone, save Freddie, Medusa, and Aphrodite.

[@pleasekillyoursef]

Oh no... i looked up the statue

[@starlesscitiess]

27:02 WHY DOES FREDDIE SOUND SO MUCH LIKE RED HERE

[@DewDrops-]

I romanced Persephone successfully and still became Queen of Hades

[@Leopurrdheart]

1:15:03 I... is that Reigen Arataka in the seat or have I just watched too much mp100..?

[@Daughter_of_Stories]

One thing that I find really cool about the Hadestown version is that the way Hades has changed as a person over time, and the way the relationship has changed, parallels the way the myth has drifted since ancient Greece. They lean into the devil parallels and the idea of "Hades is super rich, because riches come from underground," neither of which are really part of the older myths--but they also weren't part of who Hades was way back when (the musical leans into wealth from oil and coal more than gold and jewels, connecting Hades-as-a-rich-man with the industrial age. Those traits developed over time, just as they were absorbed into the myth over time. Similarly, it's only in more modern re-tellings that we tend to suggest that Persephone would be miserable about having to live in Hades half the time, and it's only more recently that she has become miserable.

[@sonjaquan5775]

Freddie let me introduce you to a little TTRPG system called Scion

[@DParkerNunya]

I'm so tempted to romance Pan in a run-through, but I feel like that would be the most cruel thing to do to Freddie

[@pleasekillyoursef]

Boy, the ritual chapter was more than i expected

[@SethRGray]

I realize they have to have a plotline, but hearing HECATE say that she has no power over life and death is buck wild since those things were both within her main purviews.

[@JChandoha]

Tbf they all say that not all mortal tales were true and also that they've diminished over time.

[@equusheart3344]

I wish Sideways was still around on KZbin. I would LOVE to listen to him deconstruct and analyze the music of this game.

[@starlesscitiess]

21:52 TO BE ENTIRELY FAIR. some people are into that. not that i’d know or anything

[@starlesscitiess]

i want to be fully clear with my point here so i will add: after pan threatened grace and i saw the romance option i yelled YES out loud because i would soooooo pick it

[@kadebrockhausen]

Just got to the Avatar State mo-- HEY WAIT RED JUST READ MY MIND

[@SilverKyria]

You should do a run with Persephone as your aid. You will understand her character better, and also maybe save Freddie this time!

[@equusheart3344]

Anyone notice how Brain and Kaz just get dropped out by the end of the story? Oh, oh! Maybe they'll be in the possible sequel? Maybe they're the last two Muses??? Yes, I know what happened to the other two. No, I'm not spoiling it for those who don't.

[@SethRGray]

Random question: Has Red read Wonder Woman Historia? I would literally kill to hear her take on the gods in that book.

[@Odd_Designz]

4:02:23 I really wanted Persephone to get the throne :(, she deserved it

[@jamiethemagpie]

I was so hoping you would go for the red choice with the second half of Aphrodite's song

[@thecheshirewolf1320]

I’m surprised they didn’t sing kiss the girl for him

[@olgamalzahn]

NGL I wish you went full red for Aphrodite's song - imho the best song in all game. (Everybody wants to see you fall in love I believe is the title)

[@sora9138]

somebody teach Charon how to play yugioh he'll love it

[@ag-13studios51]

FRICK YEAH

[@polinaignatenkova3634]

This verson of the Ritual is amazing

[@nightrocker1343]

I need to play this game. Goddamn

[@KostasTheDark]

Great, now I want to play Magic the Gathering against Charon.

[@GeorgeTheIdiotINC]

this game looks amazing but I really wish they would make it Mac compatible Edit : I bought parallels purely to play this game 😂 For the Sequel they should add to the video aspects, image those songs with high quality moving visual animations actively contributing to the music

[@GeorgeTheIdiotINC]

Honesty it would feel like watching an anime where you can actually effect the emotion beats

[@hunrahel]

@3:28:56 Balenciaga

[@PedroBentoIT]

how dare you leave her! xD

[@OneEyeShadow]

The only objectively wrong choice in the game and they took it :'(

[@MrDegan2]

@@OneEyeShadow full on saying "Absolutely not" when Freddie was asking me not to save her. what's the point of godhood if I can't keep one person alive right?

[@Omniscient87]

I know!

[@DannyRayqu]

😮 you're a historian? You have to play my favorite game Kingdome come deliverance it's amazing xp

[@Ludohistory]

I have great and/or terrible news for you! I already spent quite a few hours yelling about how pretzels cost a week's worth of wages in that game, and all the VODs are on this channel!

[@DannyRayqu]

@@Ludohistory you have? I didn't see it in the videos I have to watch them thanks!!!

[@Ludohistory]

check the playlist tab ;) @@DannyRayqu